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Post by pavel on Oct 12, 2023 11:06:03 GMT
It's nothing of the sort, I have no problem with people having a different view, it was his constant repeating of his view post after post in a row which was puerile. |
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Oct 12, 2023 11:11:10 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 12, 2023 11:11:10 GMT
Limping along? We’ve been in a wheelchair for over 12 months! I think the wheelchair users left us behind a long time ago |
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Oct 12, 2023 11:12:04 GMT
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Post by baconburger on Oct 12, 2023 11:12:04 GMT
The way the owners see the game is decades out of date something they share with a lot of our fans. John seems to have learned everything he knows about running a football club from his Dad. There is definitely a strange fascination with the dour in Stoke. One thing they obviously do is seriously care about the club unlike so many owners we see who lose interest as soon as they realise that the Prem isn't happening overnight but yep, we need to stop employing this same clone of a manager and maybe hoping another one can do a Pulis. Even if Neil was to somehow take us up you could almost guarantee he wouldn't hack a season with us in the Prem and would be another huge step backwards and back to the drawing board. Was hoping with us expanding our player net, we'd do the same with a manager but looks like the same old trail for the foreseeable future and months of poor results, feeble excuses and talking a great game. I don’t get the idea of re doing a Pulis our promotion season was a real outlier of a season for him it’s not like he was a serial winner either before or after. Never checked but I’d imagine it was pretty unprecedented for one of his teams to be in the top handful of goal scorers in a division. |
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Oct 12, 2023 11:19:28 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 12, 2023 11:19:28 GMT
One thing they obviously do is seriously care about the club unlike so many owners we see who lose interest as soon as they realise that the Prem isn't happening overnight but yep, we need to stop employing this same clone of a manager and maybe hoping another one can do a Pulis. Even if Neil was to somehow take us up you could almost guarantee he wouldn't hack a season with us in the Prem and would be another huge step backwards and back to the drawing board. Was hoping with us expanding our player net, we'd do the same with a manager but looks like the same old trail for the foreseeable future and months of poor results, feeble excuses and talking a great game. I don’t get the idea of re doing a Pulis our promotion season was a real outlier of a season for him it’s not like he was a serial winner either before or after. Never checked but I’d imagine it was pretty unprecedented for one of his teams to be in the top handful of goal scorers in a division. Totally agree Simply won't happen again for me and the only thing holding us back since relegation for me are the managerial appointments which to be fair are quite a major factor 😁 Everything else at the club is there ..the facilities, funds, support etc. It all comes down to a single appointment. I even quite like this bunch of players and like what we were doing in the window but we still have that one stumbling block ..until we remove him and get with the times we'll continue to linger or worse |
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Post by baconburger on Oct 12, 2023 11:24:49 GMT
I don’t get the idea of re doing a Pulis our promotion season was a real outlier of a season for him it’s not like he was a serial winner either before or after. Never checked but I’d imagine it was pretty unprecedented for one of his teams to be in the top handful of goal scorers in a division. Totally agree Simply won't happen again for me and the only thing holding us back since relegation for me are the managerial appointments which to be fair are quite a major factor 😁 Everything else at the club is there ..the facilities, funds, support etc. It all comes down to a single appointment. I even quite like this bunch of players and like what we were doing in the window but we still have that one stumbling block ..until we remove him and get with the times we'll continue to linger or worse I’d like to see a manager who’s main focus is scoring goals not , not conceding them. Teams getting automatic promotion without being one of the top few goal scorers in the league is as rare as rockinghorse shit even we didn’t manage it. |
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Oct 12, 2023 12:39:00 GMT
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 12, 2023 12:39:00 GMT
Totally agree Simply won't happen again for me and the only thing holding us back since relegation for me are the managerial appointments which to be fair are quite a major factor 😁 Everything else at the club is there ..the facilities, funds, support etc. It all comes down to a single appointment. I even quite like this bunch of players and like what we were doing in the window but we still have that one stumbling block ..until we remove him and get with the times we'll continue to linger or worse I’d like to see a manager who’s main focus is scoring goals not , not conceding them. Teams getting automatic promotion without being one of the top few goal scorers in the league is as rare as rockinghorse shit even we didn’t manage it. But he hasn't stopped us conceding either. He needs 2 wins out of Sunderland Leeds and Borough if he's going to change some fans minds. The 2 home games are vital ie Sunderland and Leeds. It'll end up being 2 draws and a loss but that'll be enough for JC to prolong the pain though. I wish him luck 👍 |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 12, 2023 13:10:39 GMT
I’d like to see a manager who’s main focus is scoring goals not , not conceding them. Teams getting automatic promotion without being one of the top few goal scorers in the league is as rare as rockinghorse shit even we didn’t manage it. But he hasn't stopped us conceding either. He needs 2 wins out of Sunderland Leeds and Borough if he's going to change some fans minds. The 2 home games are vital ie Sunderland and Leeds. It'll end up being 2 draws and a loss but that'll be enough for JC to prolong the pain though. I wish him luck 👍 I think he can still actually afford to lose a couple if it's narrow and we compete and look like we might have the capacity to turn a corner. Three batterings though and it's adios muchachos surely. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 12, 2023 13:59:18 GMT
But he hasn't stopped us conceding either. He needs 2 wins out of Sunderland Leeds and Borough if he's going to change some fans minds. The 2 home games are vital ie Sunderland and Leeds. It'll end up being 2 draws and a loss but that'll be enough for JC to prolong the pain though. I wish him luck 👍 I think he can still actually afford to lose a couple if it's narrow and we compete and look like we might have the capacity to turn a corner. Three batterings though and it's adios muchachos surely. Aye 3 beatings and even JC has to throw the towel in I reckon. I'm hoping he gets 2 wins though and we start showing some "green shoots" |
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Post by Scrotnig on Oct 12, 2023 14:02:55 GMT
Neil is definitely the man to take us out of this division.
Which division he takes us into is the big question.
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Oct 12, 2023 14:12:52 GMT
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 12, 2023 14:12:52 GMT
Neil is definitely the man to take us out of this division. Which division he takes us into is the big question. 😆 🤣 |
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Post by stokiesteve on Oct 12, 2023 14:26:52 GMT
It's nothing of the sort, I have no problem with people having a different view, it was his constant repeating of his view post after post in a row which was puerile. I could say reading endless negative often made up on the spot negativity is also puerile…. But for some reason that’s ok and acceptable. Maybe it takes numerous posts to get your message across nowadays as going against the will of misery is often unnoticed. All I’m trying to say is give him proper time. We have had a huge rebuild … it takes time. In years gone by we would give managers that time and space to build. Nowadays it’s instant success or sacking. Maybe it’s a gamble too far we shall see. But backing a manager is something very rare nowadays and the pressure must be immense and will distract from the real job of building a team. I for one believe he can do it. Taking things further, For me, social media and the ability to destroy another human being and their attempts to succeed has a lot to answer for. How easy is it nowadays to create an ethos of misery by posting a few negative lines - look at Harry Maguire. Ok he’s been poor, but it goes from ‘he’s been a bit shite of late’ to threats to his family for gods sake. These threads always go the same way, it starts with some well meaning feedback and ends up in hatred. But if you met Alex and his team after posting such vile, or Harry McGuire, you would see that they are probably just decent people trying their best to succeed. It’s a strange world we live in nowadays and if there is no pushback to the judging of an individual by social media then nobody will have time to develop anything properly or work on improving anything anymore. |
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Post by pavel on Oct 12, 2023 15:12:05 GMT
It's nothing of the sort, I have no problem with people having a different view, it was his constant repeating of his view post after post in a row which was puerile. I could say reading endless negative often made up on the spot negativity is also puerile…. But for some reason that’s ok and acceptable. Maybe it takes numerous posts to get your message across nowadays as going against the will of misery is often unnoticed. All I’m trying to say is give him proper time. We have had a huge rebuild … it takes time. In years gone by we would give managers that time and space to build. Nowadays it’s instant success or sacking. Maybe it’s a gamble too far we shall see. But backing a manager is something very rare nowadays and the pressure must be immense and will distract from the real job of building a team. I for one believe he can do it. Taking things further, For me, social media and the ability to destroy another human being and their attempts to succeed has a lot to answer for. How easy is it nowadays to create an ethos of misery by posting a few negative lines - look at Harry Maguire. Ok he’s been poor, but it goes from ‘he’s been a bit shite of late’ to threats to his family for gods sake. These threads always go the same way, it starts with some well meaning feedback and ends up in hatred. But if you met Alex and his team after posting such vile, or Harry McGuire, you would see that they are probably just decent people trying their best to succeed. It’s a strange world we live in nowadays and if there is no pushback to the judging of an individual by social media then nobody will have time to develop anything properly or work on improving anything anymore. You only have to say it once, not a long line of posts repeating the same few words ad infinitum or to make a valid argument. I respect all views even if I don't agree with them all but constantly repeating the same few lines does nobody any favours. People aren't been overly negative, if fact most have been very patient with Neil, as have the owners. At any other ambitious club he would have been long gone. ....and that's the problem with what you are saying, your'e confusing negativity with a persons view that doesn't coincide with your own, rather than accepting that it's just another view. You could turn it full circle and say the people who want Neil gone are being positive because they want the best for the club and don't want it failing the way it is at the moment. In the end of the day it's all just opinion. |
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Post by citynickscfc on Oct 12, 2023 15:18:11 GMT
It's nothing of the sort, I have no problem with people having a different view, it was his constant repeating of his view post after post in a row which was puerile. I could say reading endless negative often made up on the spot negativity is also puerile…. But for some reason that’s ok and acceptable. Maybe it takes numerous posts to get your message across nowadays as going against the will of misery is often unnoticed. All I’m trying to say is give him proper time. We have had a huge rebuild … it takes time. In years gone by we would give managers that time and space to build. Nowadays it’s instant success or sacking. Maybe it’s a gamble too far we shall see. But backing a manager is something very rare nowadays and the pressure must be immense and will distract from the real job of building a team. I for one believe he can do it. Taking things further, For me, social media and the ability to destroy another human being and their attempts to succeed has a lot to answer for. How easy is it nowadays to create an ethos of misery by posting a few negative lines - look at Harry Maguire. Ok he’s been poor, but it goes from ‘he’s been a bit shite of late’ to threats to his family for gods sake. These threads always go the same way, it starts with some well meaning feedback and ends up in hatred. But if you met Alex and his team after posting such vile, or Harry McGuire, you would see that they are probably just decent people trying their best to succeed. It’s a strange world we live in nowadays and if there is no pushback to the judging of an individual by social media then nobody will have time to develop anything properly or work on improving anything anymore. It's an absolute minority of people who abuse others to such an extent. The are vile people in society, but that doesn't make people immune to criticism. Football trends move pretty fast, and we have been left behind long ago. We had an opportunity to evolve, but we went with Paul Lambert. Then we had another, and we chose Gary Rowett of all people. Then we actually gambled but by then we had forgotten how essential the trend of experts behind the manager, and systematic processes were, and so we tried to shove a young fragile manager into an old fashioned role. We then had to be rescued by another dinosaur as nothing would fit and here we are at yet another front of house man who has been failing for the best part of a year. Time isn't the issue here is it? It's the process and from the top they have stated there's nothing wrong with it. People are actually very patient at stoke. We are looking for signs of progress, signs of evolving. Smashing 17 foreigners together without a plan or set formation isn't that is it? It's an absolute manic strategy, and we probably aren't very happy with it nor are we satisfied with it's fruits. Much like O'niell, who seemed to be a genius at first, then reverted to type.... Niel is lost in this sea of randomness. He is the one that needs to show signs of change, or success. The players need to show us that they can achieve something, and that they care. But we don't see much do we? What we see is garbage, isn't it? |
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Post by peterthornesboots on Oct 12, 2023 15:33:12 GMT
But he hasn't stopped us conceding either. He needs 2 wins out of Sunderland Leeds and Borough if he's going to change some fans minds. The 2 home games are vital ie Sunderland and Leeds. It'll end up being 2 draws and a loss but that'll be enough for JC to prolong the pain though. I wish him luck 👍 I think he can still actually afford to lose a couple if it's narrow and we compete and look like we might have the capacity to turn a corner. Three batterings though and it's adios muchachos surely. This. I think most fans are willing to give AN some wiggle room in terms of results IF (and it is a big IF) we show some signs of progress or direction. The problem is, we have not seen that in over a year (barring a little six game run last season). |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 12, 2023 16:01:55 GMT
I’ve just overtaken him and he’s now behind me. Shall I ram him off the road or just settle for giving him the wanker gesture? 😂
Or do I do a “meeting Wayne Thomas” and just not be bothered??
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Oct 12, 2023 16:35:32 GMT
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Post by stokiesteve on Oct 12, 2023 16:35:32 GMT
I could say reading endless negative often made up on the spot negativity is also puerile…. But for some reason that’s ok and acceptable. Maybe it takes numerous posts to get your message across nowadays as going against the will of misery is often unnoticed. All I’m trying to say is give him proper time. We have had a huge rebuild … it takes time. In years gone by we would give managers that time and space to build. Nowadays it’s instant success or sacking. Maybe it’s a gamble too far we shall see. But backing a manager is something very rare nowadays and the pressure must be immense and will distract from the real job of building a team. I for one believe he can do it. Taking things further, For me, social media and the ability to destroy another human being and their attempts to succeed has a lot to answer for. How easy is it nowadays to create an ethos of misery by posting a few negative lines - look at Harry Maguire. Ok he’s been poor, but it goes from ‘he’s been a bit shite of late’ to threats to his family for gods sake. These threads always go the same way, it starts with some well meaning feedback and ends up in hatred. But if you met Alex and his team after posting such vile, or Harry McGuire, you would see that they are probably just decent people trying their best to succeed. It’s a strange world we live in nowadays and if there is no pushback to the judging of an individual by social media then nobody will have time to develop anything properly or work on improving anything anymore. You only have to say it once, not a long line of posts repeating the same few words ad infinitum or to make a valid argument. I respect all views even if I don't agree with them all but constantly repeating the same few lines does nobody any favours. People aren't been overly negative, if fact most have been very patient with Neil, as have the owners. At any other ambitious club he would have been long gone. ....and that's the problem with what you are saying, your'e confusing negativity with a persons view that doesn't coincide with your own, rather than accepting that it's just another view. You could turn it full circle and say the people who want Neil gone are being positive because they want the best for the club and don't want it failing the way it is at the moment. In the end of the day it's all just opinion. No confusion here bud. |
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Oct 12, 2023 16:38:45 GMT
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Post by stokiesteve on Oct 12, 2023 16:38:45 GMT
I could say reading endless negative often made up on the spot negativity is also puerile…. But for some reason that’s ok and acceptable. Maybe it takes numerous posts to get your message across nowadays as going against the will of misery is often unnoticed. All I’m trying to say is give him proper time. We have had a huge rebuild … it takes time. In years gone by we would give managers that time and space to build. Nowadays it’s instant success or sacking. Maybe it’s a gamble too far we shall see. But backing a manager is something very rare nowadays and the pressure must be immense and will distract from the real job of building a team. I for one believe he can do it. Taking things further, For me, social media and the ability to destroy another human being and their attempts to succeed has a lot to answer for. How easy is it nowadays to create an ethos of misery by posting a few negative lines - look at Harry Maguire. Ok he’s been poor, but it goes from ‘he’s been a bit shite of late’ to threats to his family for gods sake. These threads always go the same way, it starts with some well meaning feedback and ends up in hatred. But if you met Alex and his team after posting such vile, or Harry McGuire, you would see that they are probably just decent people trying their best to succeed. It’s a strange world we live in nowadays and if there is no pushback to the judging of an individual by social media then nobody will have time to develop anything properly or work on improving anything anymore. It's an absolute minority of people who abuse others to such an extent. The are vile people in society, but that doesn't make people immune to criticism. Football trends move pretty fast, and we have been left behind long ago. We had an opportunity to evolve, but we went with Paul Lambert. Then we had another, and we chose Gary Rowett of all people. Then we actually gambled but by then we had forgotten how essential the trend of experts behind the manager, and systematic processes were, and so we tried to shove a young fragile manager into an old fashioned role. We then had to be rescued by another dinosaur as nothing would fit and here we are at yet another front of house man who has been failing for the best part of a year. Time isn't the issue here is it? It's the process and from the top they have stated there's nothing wrong with it. People are actually very patient at stoke. We are looking for signs of progress, signs of evolving. Smashing 17 foreigners together without a plan or set formation isn't that is it? It's an absolute manic strategy, and we probably aren't very happy with it nor are we satisfied with it's fruits. Much like O'niell, who seemed to be a genius at first, then reverted to type.... Niel is lost in this sea of randomness. He is the one that needs to show signs of change, or success. The players need to show us that they can achieve something, and that they care. But we don't see much do we? What we see is garbage, isn't it? It’s too early to say as we have had a whole new influx of players with the jinx of injuries Can’t you see that the negativity creates the ethos? You only have to read the way some post. Otherwise fair enough but not the way I see it. |
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Post by marwood on Oct 12, 2023 17:48:56 GMT
I’ve just overtaken him and he’s now behind me. Shall I ram him off the road or just settle for giving him the wanker gesture? 😂 Or do I do a “meeting Wayne Thomas” and just not be bothered?? Just back into him |
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Post by questionable on Oct 12, 2023 18:17:15 GMT
I’ve just overtaken him and he’s now behind me. Shall I ram him off the road or just settle for giving him the wanker gesture? 😂 Or do I do a “meeting Wayne Thomas” and just not be bothered?? Just back into him Wouldn’t need to he’s massively in reverse now |
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Oct 12, 2023 19:02:03 GMT
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Oct 12, 2023 19:02:03 GMT
I’ve just overtaken him and he’s now behind me. Shall I ram him off the road or just settle for giving him the wanker gesture? 😂 Or do I do a “meeting Wayne Thomas” and just not be bothered?? Just back into him This will fly right under the radar. |
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Post by marwood on Oct 13, 2023 7:45:13 GMT
This will fly right under the radar. I feel passionately about it and may continue to spam the board with steadfast insistence, to the point pf alienating many (if not most) other posters, each post adding no value to my initial assertion, moreover, weakening the original point with redundant repetition |
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Post by shakermaker on Oct 13, 2023 8:48:40 GMT
I don't think any of our players bar Jojić are away on international duty. Mindful of the injuries we have, Neil and his coaches should be hammering his system and tactics into the players day-after-day between now and Sunderland. There can be no excuses for going out and performing like lost sheep in 8 days time. I want Neil to have time and I can take another loss if I can see the players working to a purpose, but a poor performance next Saturday and I think my patience might crack.
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Oct 13, 2023 12:47:58 GMT
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Post by stokiesteve on Oct 13, 2023 12:47:58 GMT
This will fly right under the radar. I feel passionately about it and may continue to spam the board with steadfast insistence, to the point pf alienating many (if not most) other posters, each post adding no value to my initial assertion, moreover, weakening the original point with redundant repetition Genius idea |
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Post by georgeberrysafro on Oct 13, 2023 14:20:19 GMT
I don't think any of our players bar Jojić are away on international duty. Mindful of the injuries we have, Neil and his coaches should be hammering his system and tactics into the players day-after-day between now and Sunderland. There can be no excuses for going out and performing like lost sheep in 8 days time. I want Neil to have time and I can take another loss if I can see the players working to a purpose, but a poor performance next Saturday and I think my patience might crack. 6 players (4 that have been in the first team recently are away). It would have been more if not for our extensive injury list. So that with the injuries makes it difficult again. No excuse though. We need to perfom v Sunderland. Lowe, Johnson, Jojić, Travers, Thompson and Ali called up for October international duty |
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Post by shakermaker on Oct 13, 2023 15:02:05 GMT
I don't think any of our players bar Jojić are away on international duty. Mindful of the injuries we have, Neil and his coaches should be hammering his system and tactics into the players day-after-day between now and Sunderland. There can be no excuses for going out and performing like lost sheep in 8 days time. I want Neil to have time and I can take another loss if I can see the players working to a purpose, but a poor performance next Saturday and I think my patience might crack. 6 players (4 that have been in the first team recently are away). It would have been more if not for our extensive injury list. So that with the injuries makes it difficult again. No excuse though. We need to perfom v Sunderland. Lowe, Johnson, Jojić, Travers, Thompson and Ali called up for October international dutyI should think only Lowe would be a miss from training if Neil intends starting him at Sunderland. The striker needs to understand when and where to make his runs based on the pattern of movement from the players behind him. Hopefully one of Gooch or Hoever would be back for Sunderland, but if they haven't got back to training they too are missing out on some key training. If that is the case, then I can see us being off the pace again against Sunderland quite frankly.  |
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Post by independent on Oct 14, 2023 19:41:13 GMT
Sunderland going through a bad patch as well at the moment. Despite all the doom and gloom, I expect us to limp to Christmas, when a decision will have to be made.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Oct 15, 2023 11:26:27 GMT
Sunderland going through a bad patch as well at the moment. Despite all the doom and gloom, I expect us to limp to Christmas, when a decision will have to be made. Are they? Sunderland had only lost one of their previous eight games prior to the 4-0 defeat against Middlesbrough (when they had ten men). There is still a lot of anti-AN sentiment on Wearside after he walked out on them last season. I would expect them to be pretty fired up. However, I agree that I can see AN limping on until Christmas. The injuries and summer overhaul provide him with ready made excuses and I think that we are too invested in AN's vision to make any quick decisions. |
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Oct 15, 2023 11:29:53 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 15, 2023 11:29:53 GMT
Sunderland going through a bad patch as well at the moment. Despite all the doom and gloom, I expect us to limp to Christmas, when a decision will have to be made. Are they? Sunderland had only lost one of their previous eight games prior to the 4-0 defeat against Middlesbrough (when they had ten men). There is still a lot of anti-AN sentiment on Wearside after he walked out on them last season. I would expect them to be pretty fired up. However, I agree that I can see AN limping on until Christmas. The injuries and summer overhaul provide him with ready made excuses and I think that we are too invested in AN's vision to make any quick decisions. Sadly agree with that and can see us in the bottom bunch come new year then do the decent thing |
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Oct 15, 2023 11:35:36 GMT
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Post by peterthornesboots on Oct 15, 2023 11:35:36 GMT
Are they? Sunderland had only lost one of their previous eight games prior to the 4-0 defeat against Middlesbrough (when they had ten men). There is still a lot of anti-AN sentiment on Wearside after he walked out on them last season. I would expect them to be pretty fired up. However, I agree that I can see AN limping on until Christmas. The injuries and summer overhaul provide him with ready made excuses and I think that we are too invested in AN's vision to make any quick decisions. Sadly agree with that and can see us in the bottom bunch come new year then do the decent thing I think we will be in or around the bottom three by the start of New Year. I am pretty disappointed with AN's performance so far (last season and this season) and the injuries are just exacerbating our situation. The question the board will have to answer is whether they believe in AN enough to give him the January window. |
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Oct 15, 2023 11:47:15 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 15, 2023 11:47:15 GMT
Sadly agree with that and can see us in the bottom bunch come new year then do the decent thing I think we will be in or around the bottom three by the start of New Year. I am pretty disappointed with AN's performance so far (last season and this season) and the injuries are just exacerbating our situation. The question the board will have to answer is whether they believe in AN enough to give him the January window. The injuries are papering over how bad he's been and a further excuse to add to the list. We can't use Tezgel and Mmaee as excuses for me up front as neither have ever scored a League goal. |
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