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Post by Biblical on Oct 9, 2023 17:16:09 GMT
We’ve played well in parts against some teams but largely flattered to deceive.
We haven’t looked anything like we did in the purple patch last year when we looked really good against some of the better teams in the division such as Boro, Cov and Sunderland.
We should look better than last season, I think the squad is better, yet Neil hasn’t come close to replicating the purple patch and I wonder if he even knows why he hasn’t been able to do it because the excuses of being a new squad and injuries only go so far.
The fans aren’t daft and when he’s playing players out of position unnecessarily and changing the system constantly he’s doing himself no favours.
We can forget any dreams of promotion this season but he has to show a damn sight more improvement than we’ve seen so far.
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Post by sportsman on Oct 9, 2023 18:26:49 GMT
I don't buy this injuries excuse. We ALWAYS have about the same number of injuries. It's a built-in excuse, ass-cover for whichever loser Idiot John hired last. Now, Eustace . . . finally someone who'd be an exciting appointment. And we wouldn't even have to pay someone to free him up. A classic no-brainer. What, about bloody 9? At the start of the season we looked completely different. How come top teams can't cope with two key injuries but we're expected to cope with plenty? I'm not excusing other decisions by AN or subs or anything like that, I'm on about plenty of players who'd be straight in the starting line up if fit.
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Post by shakermaker on Oct 9, 2023 18:31:31 GMT
I don't buy this injuries excuse. We ALWAYS have about the same number of injuries. It's a built-in excuse, ass-cover for whichever loser Idiot John hired last. Now, Eustace . . . finally someone who'd be an exciting appointment. And we wouldn't even have to pay someone to free him up. A classic no-brainer. What, about bloody 9? At the start of the season we looked completely different. How come top teams can't cope with two key injuries but we're expected to cope with plenty? I'm not excusing other decisions by AN or subs or anything like that, I'm on about plenty of players who'd be straight in the starting line up if fit. I say Neil should be judged when he has his first team players back. That includes Mmaee, Vidigal and Campbell as his core. How Eustace is suddenly being hailed as the new Pep for getting Birmingham to 6th place is quite remarkable, but there is not one manager out there who can take the squad we had against Leicester and get a better tune out of them.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Oct 9, 2023 18:39:11 GMT
What, about bloody 9? At the start of the season we looked completely different. How come top teams can't cope with two key injuries but we're expected to cope with plenty? I'm not excusing other decisions by AN or subs or anything like that, I'm on about plenty of players who'd be straight in the starting line up if fit. I say Neil should be judged when he has his first team players back. That includes Mmaee, Vidigal and Campbell as his core. How Eustace is suddenly being hailed as the new Pep for getting Birmingham to 6th place is quite remarkable, but there is not one manager out there who can take the squad we had against Leicester and get a better tune out of them. The Leicester game was as free of a hit as a manager will ever get. Every single fan anticipated a dicking going into that game, and instead of going for it to see if we could spring a shock result he shat himself and then bought a striker on in the 88th minute when the games already gone. He’s a lost coward and he’s completely lost track of his way back to the trail.
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Post by onepara on Oct 9, 2023 19:10:51 GMT
You contradict yourself. You say that the game was a 'free hit', when you don't expect anything from the game. Yet you criticise the Manager for not risking a big losing score, & therefore getting nothing from the game.
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Oct 9, 2023 19:36:07 GMT
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Post by haway on Oct 9, 2023 19:36:07 GMT
I don't buy this injuries excuse. We ALWAYS have about the same number of injuries. It's a built-in excuse, ass-cover for whichever loser Idiot John hired last. Now, Eustace . . . finally someone who'd be an exciting appointment. And we wouldn't even have to pay someone to free him up. A classic no-brainer. What, about bloody 9? At the start of the season we looked completely different. How come top teams can't cope with two key injuries but we're expected to cope with plenty? I'm not excusing other decisions by AN or subs or anything like that, I'm on about plenty of players who'd be straight in the starting line up if fit. I think both of our teams are the most ravaged by injuries currently. Eight players missing for us both according to this (we have 9 listed but one of those is Stewart): www.sportsgambler.com/injuries/football/england-championship/Interesting that Ipswich apparently have zero injuries. With a few, they could very easily start to struggle.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Oct 9, 2023 19:59:24 GMT
You contradict yourself. You say that the game was a 'free hit', when you don't expect anything from the game. Yet you criticise the Manager for not risking a big losing score, & therefore getting nothing from the game. Not a contradiction in this instance. I expected a kicking regardless of how we set up, so I’d rather have lost that game 2-0 and showed some intent than the feeble display we put on and lost 2-0 anyway. Neil is a manager that shits himself, he shit himself after the second game of the season which is absolutely shambolic to be honest.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Oct 9, 2023 20:09:37 GMT
I don't buy this injuries excuse. We ALWAYS have about the same number of injuries. It's a built-in excuse, ass-cover for whichever loser Idiot John hired last. Now, Eustace . . . finally someone who'd be an exciting appointment. And we wouldn't even have to pay someone to free him up. A classic no-brainer. What, about bloody 9? At the start of the season we looked completely different. How come top teams can't cope with two key injuries but we're expected to cope with plenty? I'm not excusing other decisions by AN or subs or anything like that, I'm on about plenty of players who'd be straight in the starting line up if fit. I agree to an extent. However, this injury crisis is partly of our own making. We cannot complain about injuries when we only signed three senior centre backs and one left back in the summer. This includes selling our only other potential left back on deadline day without a natural replacement. For some bizarre reason our summer recruitment has left us woefully short of defenders - and it is costing us.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Oct 9, 2023 20:11:10 GMT
What, about bloody 9? At the start of the season we looked completely different. How come top teams can't cope with two key injuries but we're expected to cope with plenty? I'm not excusing other decisions by AN or subs or anything like that, I'm on about plenty of players who'd be straight in the starting line up if fit. I think both of our teams are the most ravaged by injuries currently. Eight players missing for us both according to this (we have 9 listed but one of those is Stewart): www.sportsgambler.com/injuries/football/england-championship/Interesting that Ipswich apparently have zero injuries. With a few, they could very easily start to struggle. It is worth noting that last week we were still advertising for a head of Sport Science.
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Post by onepara on Oct 9, 2023 20:26:18 GMT
If, & it's a big if, he was sacked, the new Manager would have the same injuries situation that Neill has. So how does the 'new' Manager have an advantage? He'd still have a depleted playing staff. That's why J.C. will let it ride, until we have a fair number of the injured players back. He'll judge Neill on results, when he has a full playing staff to choose from. It wouldn't be fair to do otherwise.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 9, 2023 21:21:13 GMT
I would love to see AN turn things round, but are there some who just want him to continue failing, so they can say I told you so? Don't know who those people are Maybe they're sick of the results , sick of losing, sick of excuses and just want what's best for the club and want to see their team doing well, not languishing near the foot of the table .
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Post by glpotter on Oct 10, 2023 0:32:23 GMT
I say Neil should be judged when he has his first team players back. That includes Mmaee, Vidigal and Campbell as his core. How Eustace is suddenly being hailed as the new Pep for getting Birmingham to 6th place is quite remarkable, but there is not one manager out there who can take the squad we had against Leicester and get a better tune out of them. The Leicester game was as free of a hit as a manager will ever get. Every single fan anticipated a dicking going into that game, and instead of going for it to see if we could spring a shock result he shat himself and then bought a striker on in the 88th minute when the games already gone. He’s a lost coward and he’s completely lost track of his way back to the trail. Regardless who we are playing. Should be no such thing as a free hit in this league. We weren’t playing Real Madrid
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 10, 2023 1:12:39 GMT
I say Neil should be judged when he has his first team players back. That includes Mmaee, Vidigal and Campbell as his core. How Eustace is suddenly being hailed as the new Pep for getting Birmingham to 6th place is quite remarkable, but there is not one manager out there who can take the squad we had against Leicester and get a better tune out of them. The Leicester game was as free of a hit as a manager will ever get. Every single fan anticipated a dicking going into that game, and instead of going for it to see if we could spring a shock result he shat himself and then bought a striker on in the 88th minute when the games already gone. He’s a lost coward and he’s completely lost track of his way back to the trail. Did they? If you expect a hiding in this division v anyone then you're simply not good enough
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Post by dirtclod on Oct 10, 2023 1:49:21 GMT
Yeah I walk through the valley of yet another regime-change I shall fear no evil, for You hath given me - the shape of a diamond... A change not so long ago ended up with detritus-emeritus like that being foisted upon us.
Seriously considered getting drug tested voluntarily at the time - could not BELEIVE some of the things said and done back then. Went from a wet nappy in Rowett to a soiled one in chest-pounding, Nou camp insinuating, messiah-cosplay expert, Nathan Jones.
This current dude. He's the talker I've been looking for, in fact the whole group now with Ricky Martin etc. actually like what I HEAR from them. But yeah there's that whole...ON the pitch thing not happening.
I'm a little gun-shy right now of yet again, crawling back into that mosquito-infested "Manager Market" swamp and seeing what in the primordial hell we end up with next.
Has been a continuous saga to find a guy who can effectively tackle the scope of the Manager's job at Stoke. And this time, it's way much more than just a manager that we'd have to hire. [garbage truck backing-alarm here]
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Post by idle on Oct 10, 2023 8:03:53 GMT
I think both of our teams are the most ravaged by injuries currently. Eight players missing for us both according to this (we have 9 listed but one of those is Stewart): www.sportsgambler.com/injuries/football/england-championship/Interesting that Ipswich apparently have zero injuries. With a few, they could very easily start to struggle. It is worth noting that last week we were still advertising for a head of Sport Science. Why don't we tell Jared to find us one from Spain or Germany or Scandinavia or something? We would definitely benefit from a professional medical/fitness expert, so good pay shouldn't be a problem.
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Post by davethebass on Oct 10, 2023 14:11:15 GMT
Are you talking about Nathan Jones or Alex Niel? Because I can't tell. Perhaps I've gone back in time and we have arrived at the same existential crisis, and I actually know the answer! His name is Michael o'niell and he also plays boring turgid football, although you would never have guessed it after his first few months. What a brilliant few months that was. Isn't it sad that Niel has had 1 good month in 12. 🤦♂️ Who the fuck is nile You know...Sister Sledge...Chic...Let's Dance, with Bowie...Daft Punk...
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Post by nigerianstokie on Oct 10, 2023 15:47:28 GMT
I’m at the stage of “couldn’t care either way” whether he remains our manager. Or I was until I saw that Chris Coleman left his job this morning. That news put me firmly back on AN’s side of the fence.
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Post by stokiesteve on Oct 10, 2023 16:03:48 GMT
Back him.
Just back him.
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Post by stokeoptimist on Oct 10, 2023 16:06:07 GMT
I would love to see AN turn things round, but are there some who just want him to continue failing, so they can say I told you so? Don't know who those people are Maybe they're sick of the results , sick of losing, sick of excuses and just want what's best for the club and want to see their team doing well, not languishing near the foot of the table . These the same people that wanted rid of the last manager? And the one before that, and the one before that? How's that working out?
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Post by bagnallboothen on Oct 10, 2023 16:08:56 GMT
Maybe we should let him sign 18 players... couldn't possibly fail then.
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Post by pavel on Oct 10, 2023 16:15:39 GMT
Don't know who those people are Maybe they're sick of the results , sick of losing, sick of excuses and just want what's best for the club and want to see their team doing well, not languishing near the foot of the table . These the same people that wanted rid of the last manager? And the one before that, and the one before that? How's that working out? As expected when you sign mediocre managers who "know the championship" and don't address the root cause of the problem which is the way the club is structured. Time after time we have failed to modernise when a successful template can be seen all around you in small/medium sized clubs competing in the Premier League with nowhere near the resource we have.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 10, 2023 16:33:29 GMT
Don't know who those people are Maybe they're sick of the results , sick of losing, sick of excuses and just want what's best for the club and want to see their team doing well, not languishing near the foot of the table . These the same people that wanted rid of the last manager? And the one before that, and the one before that? How's that working out? They didn't so the reason they wanted them out If an appliance is broken do you keep using it !
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Post by stokeoptimist on Oct 10, 2023 16:37:54 GMT
These the same people that wanted rid of the last manager? And the one before that, and the one before that? How's that working out? They didn't so the reason they wanted them out If an appliance is broken do you keep using it ! They also wanted Waddo and Pulis out what if they had got their way?
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Post by jay1610 on Oct 10, 2023 16:38:10 GMT
He has been backed, though? Barely any stick from the stands last season despite us being terrible at home. He’s then been able to bring in a raft of players and the fans met that with optimism. Only during a thumping at home to Hull at the end of September did that change. After 11 games we’re no closer to knowing how he wants to set them up or what sort of identity the group will have. How much more “backing” do you want? It’s time for him to earn his corn. He’s got three games, tops.
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Post by theporcelainpele on Oct 10, 2023 16:39:42 GMT
Would you spend your own money backing a horse that’s lost 70% of its races? Thought not!
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Post by Clayton Wood on Oct 10, 2023 16:40:37 GMT
They didn't so the reason they wanted them out If an appliance is broken do you keep using it ! They also wanted Waddo and Pulis out what if they had got their way? "They" did get their way, we got 3 9th place finishes and BMX ripping Man City a new arsehole.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 10, 2023 16:41:07 GMT
They didn't so the reason they wanted them out If an appliance is broken do you keep using it ! They also wanted Waddo and Pulis out what if they had got their way? By they to be fair was a mob not all but see your point. They'd both had success at the club, Neil is statistically one of our worst ever managers I loved Pulis but even he accepted was maybe time. Neil has brought absolutely nothing to the club but failure
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 10, 2023 16:43:03 GMT
They also wanted Waddo and Pulis out what if they had got their way? "They" did get their way, we got 3 9th place finishes and BMX ripping Man City a new arsehole. I agree on that front. Best I ever saw or likely to Neil isn't comparable in any way apart from to Jones perhaps who he is on par with
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Post by Clayton Wood on Oct 10, 2023 16:47:55 GMT
"They" did get their way, we got 3 9th place finishes and BMX ripping Man City a new arsehole. I agree on that front. Best I ever saw or likely to Neil isn't comparable in any way apart from to Jones perhaps who he is on par with To be fair we did get with Jones the sugar-hyped 5 year old beating his chest at a Christmas* party spectacle. *other religions are available.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 10, 2023 16:49:02 GMT
I agree on that front. Best I ever saw or likely to Neil isn't comparable in any way apart from to Jones perhaps who he is on par with To be fair we did get with Jones the sugar-hyped 5 year old beating his chest at a Christmas* party spectacle. *other religions are available. Whatever his religion I recommend an alternative
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