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Post by Gob Bluth on Oct 9, 2023 9:04:28 GMT
4 -having the awareness to realise when a game has been set up wrong and changing in game tactics (failed on the whole) On the contrary, he seemes good at changing the tactics when we underperform. Setting the team up before the games on the other hand, he's been rubbish. Aside from the Bristol game are there any good examples of this? There might be more than jump to my mind. It often feels like once we concede a goal that’s it done.
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Post by Northy on Oct 9, 2023 9:10:07 GMT
I would judge a good 'manager'by several measurements 1 -immediately coming in with fresh pair of eyes and attitude, enabling 'new manager bounce' (failed) 2 -on arrival, assessing what squad he has immediately to hand, dropping a few previous manager favourites, tweaking system to suit, enabling better results (failed) 3 -winning the fans over (failed apart from when he pulled a pint in a pub once) 4 -having the awareness to realise when a game has been set up wrong and changing in game tactics (failed on the whole) Based on the above, I am not confident that when the mythical 'gel' appears (or when the injuries clear up) he is the right man for the role I'm normally one who gives the benefit of the doubt; last seasons squad, new recruits etc, but nothing has changed in over 12 months, as you say, no new managers bounce etc Lack of a good defence, he's got until Christmastime for me.
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Post by idle on Oct 9, 2023 9:31:10 GMT
On the contrary, he seemes good at changing the tactics when we underperform. Setting the team up before the games on the other hand, he's been rubbish. Aside from the Bristol game are there any good examples of this? There might be more than jump to my mind. It often feels like once we concede a goal that’s it done. We haven't gotten the desired results, but we've seen a marked improvement in performance (apart from goals, of course) after he's made 3-4 half time subs a few times. I agree he could have done better at this, but setting it as one of 4 "fails" is harsh IMO. As I said, if the fourth point had been "Setting up the wrong tactics and personell for games" I'd have agreed.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 9, 2023 9:31:39 GMT
4 -having the awareness to realise when a game has been set up wrong and changing in game tactics (failed on the whole) On the contrary, he seemes good at changing the tactics when we underperform. Setting the team up before the games on the other hand, he's been rubbish. By having the awareness you mean when we're beind and not in the game? We all can see that but credit to his powers of observation there To be fair he noticed it after 87 minutes on Saturday. Even the 10 year old kid taunting our fans saw it before him.
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Post by stokeranger on Oct 9, 2023 9:37:57 GMT
On the contrary, he seemes good at changing the tactics when we underperform. Setting the team up before the games on the other hand, he's been rubbish. By having the awareness you mean when we're beind and not in the game? We all can see that but credit to his powers of observation there To be fair he noticed it after 87 minutes on Saturday. Even the 10 year old kid taunting our fans saw it before him. I would go for John Eustace, I really wanted for Neil to workout but he has lost the supports now..
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 9, 2023 9:43:52 GMT
By having the awareness you mean when we're beind and not in the game? We all can see that but credit to his powers of observation there To be fair he noticed it after 87 minutes on Saturday. Even the 10 year old kid taunting our fans saw it before him. I would go for John Eustace, I really wanted for Neil to workout but he has lost the supports now.. Not so sure. Think is too like for like. We have to go a bit left field this time and not another British manager from this level although am sure we will. We've cast the net for players, why not a manager?
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Post by stokeranger on Oct 9, 2023 9:51:24 GMT
I would go for John Eustace, I really wanted for Neil to workout but he has lost the supports now.. Not so sure. Think is too like for like. We have to go a bit left field this time and not another British manager from this level although am sure we will. We've cast the net for players, why not a manager? Good point.
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Post by topcatsafc on Oct 9, 2023 9:57:12 GMT
So, is the wee baldie going to be in charge for our game on the 21st?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 9, 2023 9:58:26 GMT
So, is the wee baldie going to be in charge for our game on the 21st? I'll just give my crystal ball a polish mate....................................yes he will and we'll win 5-0 before embarking on an 8 game losing streak.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2023 9:59:49 GMT
So, is the wee baldie going to be in charge for our game on the 21st? Hopefully not, but knowing how our board operate, he 100% will be.
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Post by biglad180 on Oct 9, 2023 11:21:04 GMT
not sure we will get rid of Neil,i think our strength is in midfield and attack, we have the players in my opinion but we are not playing to our strengths,,we must attack teams more, Leicester will piss this league but i think we can compete against the rest by attacking teams,
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Post by Rick Grimes on Oct 9, 2023 11:42:32 GMT
The board must think there’s enough in the fact that it’s a new squad with an horrendous injury situation to not give him the boot just yet, but he’s got one hell of an uphill struggle to win over the fans again.
He’s got to hope that Mmaee, Campbell and Vidigal are able to get fit and make a big impact when they do so because his days are numbered if they don’t.
I’ve got no expectations of Lowe but don’t think we can or should be relying on him. I’ve written off Wesley and Gayle although I think Neil has got it wrong tactically with Wesley for the most part.
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Post by callas12 on Oct 9, 2023 11:46:49 GMT
Looking at the league table and our results under Neil's tenure, Stoke would be well within their rights to call him for a chat and ask him to seek alternative employment.
However, I just think they've engraved so much trust, expense and upheaval with this current project that to save face, they won't act right now and when/if they do it'll be far to late.
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Oct 9, 2023 11:50:12 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 9, 2023 11:50:12 GMT
The board must think there’s enough in the fact that it’s a new squad with an horrendous injury situation to not give him the boot just yet, but he’s got one hell of an uphill struggle to win over the fans again. He’s got to hope that Mmaee, Campbell and Vidigal are able to get fit and make a big impact when they do so because his days are numbered if they don’t. I’ve got no expectations of Lowe but don’t think we can or should be relying on him. I’ve written off Wesley and Gayle although I think Neil has got it wrong tactically with Wesley for the most part. Is not a competition but not a patch on what MON suffered on the injury front. Wesley is a waste of a body playing as an isolated striker. Neil moaned a few times last year re our lack of a target man, now he has one and leaves him more isolated than poor old Tom Hanks and Wilson. At least Tom Hanks saw a ball
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Post by tqstokie on Oct 9, 2023 11:58:57 GMT
Is he still here? John Eustace is available!
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Oct 9, 2023 11:59:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2023 11:59:13 GMT
I would go for John Eustace, I really wanted for Neil to workout but he has lost the supports now.. Not so sure. Think is too like for like. We have to go a bit left field this time and not another British manager from this level although am sure we will. We've cast the net for players, why not a manager? The only similarity is they are both British. Eustace is very highly regarded as a coach. In my opinion that's exactly what we need. We've got some very good players and young talent who need coaching. I don't care where the coach comes from. I don't know if Eustace is the right man but he's definitely the right type. If we want him we need to act now because he won't be out of work by the next international break is my guess.
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Oct 9, 2023 12:05:57 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 9, 2023 12:05:57 GMT
Not so sure. Think is too like for like. We have to go a bit left field this time and not another British manager from this level although am sure we will. We've cast the net for players, why not a manager? The only similarity is they are both British. Eustace is very highly regarded as a coach. In my opinion that's exactly what we need. We've got some very good players and young talent who need coaching. I don't care where the coach comes from. I don't know if Eustace is the right man but he's definitely the right type. If we want him we need to act now because he won't be out of work by the next international break is my guess. No They are both British but Championship managers and limited to this country and this division in his case and very little experience in the case of Eustace. I understand he's a popular figure,ex player but personally think we need someone with broader experience as a manager with the ability to bring something completely new
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Post by Rick Grimes on Oct 9, 2023 12:07:10 GMT
Looking at the league table and our results under Neil's tenure, Stoke would be well within their rights to call him for a chat and ask him to seek alternative employment. However, I just think they've engraved so much trust, expense and upheaval with this current project that to save face, they won't act right now and when/if they do it'll be far to late. I’m kind of thinking that unless we have the chance of getting a really unbelievable manager then it’s not worth getting rid of Neil just yet because whoever replaces him has the same issues concerning the lack of a recognised central striker and central defence. If we’ve got any doubt we need to be looking to replace Neil shortly though to give a new manager time to assess things before the January window.
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 9, 2023 12:58:48 GMT
What day of the week was MON sacked?
Wasn't it a random Thursday morning - days after the defeat to Sunderland and presumably while they were getting their ducks in a row - and after what you might think was a standard post-game sacking window?
Never really thought it was massively likely - but John Percy's tweet was intriguing.
Still a small chance something may happen with the players potentially having a couple of days off this week at the start of the break, and the Eustace development possibly making John's ears prick up
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Post by silsdenstokie on Oct 9, 2023 13:00:55 GMT
What day of the week was MON sacked? Wasn't it a random Thursday morning - days after the defeat to Sunderland and presumably while they were getting their ducks in a row - and after what you might think was a standard post-game sacking window? Never really thought it was massively likely - but John Percy's tweet was intriguing. Still a small chance something may happen with the players potentially having a couple of days off this week at the start of the break, and the Eustace development possibly making John's ears prick up What did John Percy say mate? And yes the MON dismissal was very much out if the blue
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 9, 2023 13:02:57 GMT
What day of the week was MON sacked? Wasn't it a random Thursday morning - days after the defeat to Sunderland and presumably while they were getting their ducks in a row - and after what you might think was a standard post-game sacking window? Never really thought it was massively likely - but John Percy's tweet was intriguing. Still a small chance something may happen with the players potentially having a couple of days off this week at the start of the break, and the Eustace development possibly making John's ears prick up What did John Percy say mate? And yes the MON dismissal was very much out if the blue Just a post-game tweet highlighting the disaster of the Neil tenure so far- and stressing how much he'd been backed
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Post by silsdenstokie on Oct 9, 2023 13:05:00 GMT
What did John Percy say mate? And yes the MON dismissal was very much out if the blue Just a post-game tweet highlighting the disaster of the Neil tenure so far- and stressing how much he'd been backed Cheers, i missed that Percy normally on it aswell so you never know
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Oct 9, 2023 13:09:30 GMT
If AN does leave, we have to bring in somebody who prefers 433,the players here we brought in to play that system, so a manager who doesnt like that system would be a waste of time & money.
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Post by Gods on Oct 9, 2023 13:12:06 GMT
It does not bode well if Percy is on your case.
He strikes me as the football equivalent of the infamous Tory Party 'Men in grey suits', a delegation of Conservative MPs who come to tell the leader to pack his things because his time is up!
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Oct 9, 2023 13:20:39 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2023 13:20:39 GMT
What did John Percy say mate? And yes the MON dismissal was very much out if the blue Just a post-game tweet highlighting the disaster of the Neil tenure so far- and stressing how much he'd been backed Appalling record. Genuinely embarrassed to read that.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Oct 9, 2023 13:24:09 GMT
Just a post-game tweet highlighting the disaster of the Neil tenure so far- and stressing how much he'd been backed Appalling record. Genuinely embarrassed to read that. Not sure if it’s just me but seeing that record surprised me, I thought it was much worse.
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Post by jay1610 on Oct 9, 2023 13:27:52 GMT
Appalling record. Genuinely embarrassed to read that. Not sure if it’s just me but seeing that record surprised me, I thought it was much worse. Probably because a third of his wins came in one flurry last spring. Either side of that it’s been resoundingly relegation form.
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 9, 2023 13:28:33 GMT
Appalling record. Genuinely embarrassed to read that. Not sure if it’s just me but seeing that record surprised me, I thought it was much worse. Only QPR and Rotherham are worse. But I think it's the home record that makes it seem even worse 25 7 4 14 25
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Oct 9, 2023 13:28:36 GMT
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 9, 2023 13:28:36 GMT
Fair comment based on the results but I don't think it's been that bad tactics wise when he's had more of the players available, hopefully we can get back to setting up how we want once the majority are back, if it's still the same then someone needs to make a decision. He seems obsessed with Johnson which is first issue and doesn’t look like changing. After that nothing really matters. Johnson I don't mind as an all rounder/middle man instead of Laurent for example but as the supposedly more creative option it's a worry, I expected more from him.
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Oct 9, 2023 13:32:36 GMT
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 9, 2023 13:32:36 GMT
On the contrary, he seemes good at changing the tactics when we underperform. Setting the team up before the games on the other hand, he's been rubbish. Aside from the Bristol game are there any good examples of this? There might be more than jump to my mind. It often feels like once we concede a goal that’s it done. Millwall, we absolutely battered them second half, but how many games has he badly got wrong to start with? Millwall and Ipswich is all I can think of.
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