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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 2, 2023 19:35:50 GMT
Wesley isn’t good enough. He certainly doesn't look it. Wesley looked promising today but he can't do it all himself. None of Laurent, Campbell or Leris got near him. We improved when Johnson and Junho came on because they were more mobile. Wesley is a target man not a out and out striker but is surprisingly good with his feet. They were climbing all over him today and the ref gave him no protection whatsoever. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 2, 2023 19:38:14 GMT
Battered them and lost. Simple as that. Campbell shouldn't be anywhere near the squad. Now come on, no way did we batter a piss poor PNE team our first shot on target ws late 70th minute! Hardly piss poor, top of the League having only dropped 2 points so far. |
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Post by peterthornesboots on Sept 2, 2023 19:40:17 GMT
But you cannot deny that AGAIN it seems like we haven’t been beaten by a better team but beaten by a better game plan. This pretty much summarises my feelings about AN's first 12 months with us. |
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Post by Squeekster on Sept 2, 2023 19:45:50 GMT
Now come on, no way did we batter a piss poor PNE team our first shot on target ws late 70th minute! Hardly piss poor, top of the League having only dropped 2 points so far. They were crap for Fooks sake they will not be top in 6 months time if they are the rest of the division is poor, we have good players but a poor manager in my opinion. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 2, 2023 19:47:22 GMT
Hardly piss poor, top of the League having only dropped 2 points so far. They were crap for Fooks sake they will not be top in 6 months time if they are the rest of the division is poor, we have good players but a poor manager in my opinion. No they were a team which is something we’re trying to become with all these signings |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 2, 2023 19:50:37 GMT
Hardly piss poor, top of the League having only dropped 2 points so far. They were crap for Fooks sake they will not be top in 6 months time if they are the rest of the division is poor, we have good players but a poor manager in my opinion. The big fear is we’ve poor players recruited by a poor manager |
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Post by Clem Fandango on Sept 2, 2023 19:52:12 GMT
He certainly doesn't look it. Wesley looked promising today but he can't do it all himself. None of Laurent, Campbell or Leris got near him. We improved when Johnson and Junho came on because they were more mobile. Wesley is a target man not an out and out striker but is surprisingly good with his feet. They were climbing all over him today and the ref gave him no protection whatsoever. I do feel for him because he’s expected to win the long ball/ pass and then somehow be on the end of the resulting cross. A few times today he won the ball and had nobody to give it to. The bloke behind me in block 29 kept screaming at him but what was he to do if there isn’t much movement. The big problem for me today was the midfield winning the second ball and Campbell’s movement which for the most part was lacking which left Wesley isolated. N |
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 2, 2023 19:52:52 GMT
They were crap for Fooks sake they will not be top in 6 months time if they are the rest of the division is poor, we have good players but a poor manager in my opinion. The big fear is we’ve poor players recruited by a poor manager You talk some shit you do. |
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Post by BristolMick on Sept 2, 2023 19:55:24 GMT
They were crap for Fooks sake they will not be top in 6 months time if they are the rest of the division is poor, we have good players but a poor manager in my opinion. The big fear is we’ve poor players recruited by a poor manager Today was piss poor, but anyone can see the quality of some of the recruits is miles better than we’ve seen in years. There were players out there today that haven’t even had a training session with their team mates yet and the new recruit that that has had the biggest impact was out injured. There is more reason to be optimistic than to knicker wet just now. BM |
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Post by Squeekster on Sept 2, 2023 19:56:35 GMT
They were crap for Fooks sake they will not be top in 6 months time if they are the rest of the division is poor, we have good players but a poor manager in my opinion. No they were a team which is something we’re trying to become with all these signings That remains to be seen, Wesley played his role excellently but no one was around him and it says it all when a utility player from Sunderland who gets MOM, I do like Gooch though, the next few months are going to be very interesting, jury's still out for me. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 2, 2023 19:56:51 GMT
But you cannot deny that AGAIN it seems like we haven’t been beaten by a better team but beaten by a better game plan. This pretty much summarises my feelings about AN's first 12 months with us. It did seem that way but it was also obvious that the Preston players knew the game plan and each other. I doubt if Neil knows his best team or which players work well together. He is learning about them as they play matches and they are learning about each other and a lot of them are learning about the English game. Today we were missing two of yesterday's signings, the signing who has hit the ground running and is our top scorer and a player who looks as if he is getting there who could have replaced Wesley. Anyone who expected this team to gel and look like they knew the game plan straight away needs to think again. And it's not Neil's fault that we are in this situation. I think we all got carried away by the signings and after Rotherham getting carried away thinking we were just going to walk past teams who are very well organised was just naive. |
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Post by HarryTheHat on Sept 2, 2023 19:56:54 GMT
They were crap for Fooks sake they will not be top in 6 months time if they are the rest of the division is poor, we have good players but a poor manager in my opinion. The big fear is we’ve poor players recruited by a poor manager Quelle Surprise! Negatron has found his way onto this thread |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 2, 2023 19:57:52 GMT
They were crap for Fooks sake they will not be top in 6 months time if they are the rest of the division is poor, we have good players but a poor manager in my opinion. The big fear is we’ve poor players recruited by a poor manager Poor players that you stayed and clapped off🤔Make your fuckin mind up |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 2, 2023 19:59:38 GMT
No they were a team which is something we’re trying to become with all these signings That remains to be seen, Wesley played his role excellently but no one was around him and it says it all when a utility player from Sunderland who gets MOM, I do like Gooch though, the next few months are going to be very interesting, jury's still out for me. Yes the 2 blokes that maybe would have played alongside him were injured and we were left with bone idle Tyrese |
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Post by HarryTheHat on Sept 2, 2023 20:04:49 GMT
That remains to be seen, Wesley played his role excellently but no one was around him and it says it all when a utility player from Sunderland who gets MOM, I do like Gooch though, the next few months are going to be very interesting, jury's still out for me. Yes the 2 blokes that maybe would have played alongside him were injured and we were left with bone idle Tyrese Tyrese who wasn't bought by Neil and neither was Laurent who was also crap today. But don't tell Biscuit, that doesn't suit his agenda 🙄 |
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Post by Squeekster on Sept 2, 2023 20:16:59 GMT
That remains to be seen, Wesley played his role excellently but no one was around him and it says it all when a utility player from Sunderland who gets MOM, I do like Gooch though, the next few months are going to be very interesting, jury's still out for me. Yes the 2 blokes that maybe would have played alongside him were injured and we were left with bone idle Tyrese Yes I accept that mate and don't get me wrong we are fans and have an opinion but I still think AN comes up short, I'd love to be proven wrong and hope I am |
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Sept 2, 2023 20:17:11 GMT
The problem is last season I think MON would have done better with the players he signed than Alex Neil did. Now that the window is shut, if you make a change now you're effectively writing of the rest of the season 5 games in. I'm not particularly a fan myself but I don't think changing now with the window shut is the answer. Give him another 5 league games and see where we're at then. He could go out and beat Norwich away next week and we'd be in a much different place if so. I disagree with that. I think if we make a change now then we're still in it and by Xmas we'd be chucking it in as we simply won't be . All four play-off teams were in the bottom half at Christmas last year (allowing for the WC break). You're really outdoing yourself tonight Muffin. Non stop baloney all over the board. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 2, 2023 20:20:50 GMT
The big fear is we’ve poor players recruited by a poor manager Poor players that you stayed and clapped off🤔Make your fuckin mind up Ive applauded worse players as a matter of interest do yiu think he can survive being bottom three on 28th october as looking at the fixtures you’d have to say it’s s very real scenario . |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2023 20:21:51 GMT
To say Alex Neil is a poor manager is laughable.
I agree, he hasn't had the best start in his first year at the club, but trust the process now he's built a squad of his own.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 2, 2023 20:23:55 GMT
The big fear is we’ve poor players recruited by a poor manager Quelle Surprise! Negatron has found his way onto this thread When will yiu judge him to hsve failed so let’s say he’s bottom three on 28th october would you still advocate giving him time as it’s a very real risk looking at a combination of the fixtures and performances against decent teams |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 2, 2023 20:25:58 GMT
The big fear is we’ve poor players recruited by a poor manager Today was piss poor, but anyone can see the quality of some of the recruits is miles better than we’ve seen in years. There were players out there today that haven’t even had a training session with their team mates yet and the new recruit that that has had the biggest impact was out injured. There is more reason to be optimistic than to knicker wet just now. BM Not seeing it sorry same issues physicality , athleticism , spine , game management way way off and none have improved |
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Post by BristolMick on Sept 2, 2023 20:30:07 GMT
Today was piss poor, but anyone can see the quality of some of the recruits is miles better than we’ve seen in years. There were players out there today that haven’t even had a training session with their team mates yet and the new recruit that that has had the biggest impact was out injured. There is more reason to be optimistic than to knicker wet just now. BM Not seeing it sorry same issues physicality , athleticism , spine , game management way way off and none have improved None have improved??? They’ve hardly met each other! Two players signed yesterday not even seen in public yet. Come on mate calm the fuck down. BM |
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Post by HarryTheHat on Sept 2, 2023 20:33:15 GMT
Quelle Surprise! Negatron has found his way onto this thread When will yiu judge him to hsve failed so let’s say he’s bottom three on 28th october would you still advocate giving him time as it’s a very real risk looking at a combination of the fixtures and performances against decent teams If we're bottom half at the end of the season then we can have an inquest as he'll have then had a full season with a squad that he can largely call his own. At the moment he's had his own squad for a grand total of 7 competitive fixtures of which we've won 4 and lost 3 If we haven't improved on last season's standing by the end of this season then questions should rightly be asked |
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 2, 2023 20:34:44 GMT
Are all clubs like this or is it just Stoke. You win a game and it’s a top 6 minimum. You lose a game and the manager is absolutely wank. It’s the 2nd September and we have won 2 and lost 3 after a turnover of 17 players. What was expected, 5 wins. Sometimes it’s embarrassing to read. Actually its perfectly reasonable , losses to Ipswich millwall and Preston have been performances which we’re every bit as insipid as last year , key long standing obvious issues hsve not been addressed by the recruitment and we are as far away today as when he walked in over a year ago . Some of the recruits we have look well short of what we need. It’s very concerning and our slide down the table after the next two away games is bound to turn the screw on him unless he can dramatically change away performance and results . Look at the league table and see where Preston and Ipswich are. There are plenty of teams going to lose at Millwall. 4 home wins on the trot since when? We have fresh squad and they are not going to win every home game. At the moment we have a talented squad of individuals who can beat poor teams, but are no where near coached together to beat a well organised side. Give Neil time to fix it. He showed can can get a team to perform as he did last February and has at other clubs. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 2, 2023 20:35:17 GMT
When will yiu judge him to hsve failed so let’s say he’s bottom three on 28th october would you still advocate giving him time as it’s a very real risk looking at a combination of the fixtures and performances against decent teams If we're bottom half at the end of the season then we can have an inquest as he'll have then had a full season with a squad that he can largely call his own. At the moment he's had his own squad for a grand total of 7 competitive fixtures of which we've won 4 and lost 3 If we haven't improved on last season's standing by the end of this season then questions should rightly be asked He won’t get to then if things don’t improve no matter how loyal the owners gravity will have him as it does every other manager despite the owners resolve |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 2, 2023 20:37:50 GMT
Actually its perfectly reasonable , losses to Ipswich millwall and Preston have been performances which we’re every bit as insipid as last year , key long standing obvious issues hsve not been addressed by the recruitment and we are as far away today as when he walked in over a year ago . Some of the recruits we have look well short of what we need. It’s very concerning and our slide down the table after the next two away games is bound to turn the screw on him unless he can dramatically change away performance and results . Look at the league table and see where Preston and Ipswich are. There are plenty of teams going to lose at Millwall. 4 home wins on the trot since when? We have fresh squad and they are not going to win every home game. At the moment we have a talented squad of individuals who can beat poor teams, but are no where near coached together to beat a well organised side. Give Neil time to fix it. He showed can can get a team to perform as he did last February and has at other clubs. He’s had 12 months and double digit millions to improve us from a appallingly low base and he hasn’t done it , and on todays performance is now where near it and saddled us a dud or two in the process . |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 2, 2023 20:41:06 GMT
Poor players that you stayed and clapped off🤔Make your fuckin mind up Ive applauded worse players as a matter of interest do yiu think he can survive being bottom three on 28th october as looking at the fixtures you’d have to say it’s s very real scenario . You’re a walking contradiction with a black cloud constantly over your head |
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Post by mickstupp on Sept 2, 2023 20:45:16 GMT
Look at the league table and see where Preston and Ipswich are. There are plenty of teams going to lose at Millwall. 4 home wins on the trot since when? We have fresh squad and they are not going to win every home game. At the moment we have a talented squad of individuals who can beat poor teams, but are no where near coached together to beat a well organised side. Give Neil time to fix it. He showed can can get a team to perform as he did last February and has at other clubs. He’s had 12 months and double digit millions to improve us from a appallingly low base and he hasn’t done it , and on todays performance is now where near it and saddled us a dud or two in the process . “double digit millions”. Does that include the £15m we got for Souttar, the £5m for Brown, and the £2.5m for Tymon or don’t we count outgoings? |
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Post by peterthornesboots on Sept 2, 2023 20:56:55 GMT
When will yiu judge him to hsve failed so let’s say he’s bottom three on 28th october would you still advocate giving him time as it’s a very real risk looking at a combination of the fixtures and performances against decent teams If we're bottom half at the end of the season then we can have an inquest as he'll have then had a full season with a squad that he can largely call his own. At the moment he's had his own squad for a grand total of 7 competitive fixtures of which we've won 4 and lost 3 If we haven't improved on last season's standing by the end of this season then questions should rightly be asked Out of interest, what would success look like for you this season? For me, I think that top half, maybe to ten, is a must. I think the play offs will be too much of a stretch with such a turnover in players, but of we can be in the running then great. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 2, 2023 20:58:01 GMT
He’s had 12 months and double digit millions to improve us from a appallingly low base and he hasn’t done it , and on todays performance is now where near it and saddled us a dud or two in the process . “double digit millions”. Does that include the £15m we got for Souttar, the £5m for Brown, and the £2.5m for Tymon or don’t we count outgoings? Why wouldn’t it , he didn’t buy Any of those but has had the good fortune to benefit from their sale , , time will tell if his successor is as fortunate to get similar benefit from any of his recruitment . |
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