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Post by chigstoke on Sept 2, 2023 21:08:06 GMT
If we're bottom half at the end of the season then we can have an inquest as he'll have then had a full season with a squad that he can largely call his own. At the moment he's had his own squad for a grand total of 7 competitive fixtures of which we've won 4 and lost 3 If we haven't improved on last season's standing by the end of this season then questions should rightly be asked He won’t get to then if things don’t improve no matter how loyal the owners gravity will have him as it does every other manager despite the owners resolve Alex Neil is not getting the sack if we finish bottom half. The owners will see - A team that reported to pre season with 8 senior pros
- A raft of incomings needed
- 17 new players needing to gel with each other, all of varying playing experiences, leagues and nationalities
It was never, ever going to be an overnight sensation. The signs of good stuff are there. Would bottom half be disappointing? Yeah of course it would, but he would 100% be getting 24/25, or certainly the start of it, to prove that it's not all been in vain, should this season not be as successful as we'd like it to be.
I've genuinely not come across a more negative poster on this board than you Benji. We're 5 games in and you're already touting the potential of the managerial gravity crocodile.
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Post by HarryTheHat on Sept 2, 2023 21:16:22 GMT
If we're bottom half at the end of the season then we can have an inquest as he'll have then had a full season with a squad that he can largely call his own. At the moment he's had his own squad for a grand total of 7 competitive fixtures of which we've won 4 and lost 3 If we haven't improved on last season's standing by the end of this season then questions should rightly be asked Out of interest, what would success look like for you this season? For me, I think that top half, maybe to ten, is a must. I think the play offs will be too much of a stretch with such a turnover in players, but of we can be in the running then great. For me, a top half finish represents a successful season in comparison with the previous 5 seasons Top 10 would be over-achieving but I think we could do it |
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Post by peterthornesboots on Sept 2, 2023 21:17:18 GMT
He won’t get to then if things don’t improve no matter how loyal the owners gravity will have him as it does every other manager despite the owners resolve Alex Neil is not getting the sack if we finish bottom half. The owners will see - A team that reported to pre season with 8 senior pros
- A raft of incomings needed
- 17 new players needing to gel with each other, all of varying playing experiences, leagues and nationalities
It was never, ever going to be an overnight sensation. The signs of good stuff are there. Would bottom half be disappointing? Yeah of course it would, but he would 100% be getting 24/25, or certainly the start of it, to prove that it's not all been in vain, should this season not be as successful as we'd like it to be.
I've genuinely not come across a more negative poster on this board than you Benji. We're 5 games in and you're already touting the potential of the managerial gravity crocodile.
We have to finish in the top half of the table as a minimum this season. I think even that would he seen as a disappointment for some fans. |
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Post by peterthornesboots on Sept 2, 2023 21:18:11 GMT
Out of interest, what would success look like for you this season? For me, I think that top half, maybe to ten, is a must. I think the play offs will be too much of a stretch with such a turnover in players, but of we can be in the running then great. For me, a top half finish represents a successful season in comparison with the previous 5 seasons Top 10 would be over-achieving but I think we could do it I would agree with the majority of that. 👍 |
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Post by matelot1996 on Sept 2, 2023 21:20:58 GMT
Awful setup today. Killed any semblance of wanting to win from the start using an away from home lineup. Very poor. Early still but shit that was awful knowing their strategy from kickoff. Don't get this. What was wrong with the setup? AN couldn't know that Campbell would be absolutely pathetic and that Laurent was going to hide again. The players let us down today. The setup was shite. Constant long balls into an isolated Wesley with no other Stoke player close to him was nonsense. Laurent / Campbell playing attacking roles but actually offered zero threat. There was nothing right about that setup today. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 2, 2023 21:37:37 GMT
He won’t get to then if things don’t improve no matter how loyal the owners gravity will have him as it does every other manager despite the owners resolve Alex Neil is not getting the sack if we finish bottom half. The owners will see - A team that reported to pre season with 8 senior pros
- A raft of incomings needed
- 17 new players needing to gel with each other, all of varying playing experiences, leagues and nationalities
It was never, ever going to be an overnight sensation. The signs of good stuff are there. Would bottom half be disappointing? Yeah of course it would, but he would 100% be getting 24/25, or certainly the start of it, to prove that it's not all been in vain, should this season not be as successful as we'd like it to be.
I've genuinely not come across a more negative poster on this board than you Benji. We're 5 games in and you're already touting the potential of the managerial gravity crocodile.
I agree if we finish 16th or above , whether it’s right or wrong but my question is what if we are in the bottom three and set for a dog fight at the end of October then the owners will be tested , |
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 2, 2023 21:39:38 GMT
Alex Neil is not getting the sack if we finish bottom half. The owners will see - A team that reported to pre season with 8 senior pros
- A raft of incomings needed
- 17 new players needing to gel with each other, all of varying playing experiences, leagues and nationalities
It was never, ever going to be an overnight sensation. The signs of good stuff are there. Would bottom half be disappointing? Yeah of course it would, but he would 100% be getting 24/25, or certainly the start of it, to prove that it's not all been in vain, should this season not be as successful as we'd like it to be.
I've genuinely not come across a more negative poster on this board than you Benji. We're 5 games in and you're already touting the potential of the managerial gravity crocodile.
I agree if we finish 16th or above , whether it’s right or wrong but my question is what if we are in the bottom three and set for a dog fight at the end of October then the owners will be tested , We won't be in a bottom three dog fight at the end of October. And if we were, I'd fully expect them to stick with their man. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 2, 2023 21:47:16 GMT
I agree if we finish 16th or above , whether it’s right or wrong but my question is what if we are in the bottom three and set for a dog fight at the end of October then the owners will be tested , We won't be in a bottom three dog fight at the end of October. And if we were, I'd fully expect them to stick with their man. let’s revisit in IFT and I hope your right but loads to be worried about right now |
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 2, 2023 22:00:05 GMT
We won't be in a bottom three dog fight at the end of October. And if we were, I'd fully expect them to stick with their man. let’s revisit in IFT and I hope your right but loads to be worried about right now There isn't loads to be worried about though. There are some genuine flashes of brilliance in this squad. Yes, we need a LCB, and time will tell if we need a striker, but I think there is enough goals in any front three we can deploy to take us through to January at least. You can't go signing the sheer amount of players we have (and needed) and expect it everything to be hunky dory right away, it just isn't possible. It's a massive root and branch rebuild, one the club has been crying out for, for years. Put another way, there is much more to be excited about than there is to be worried about. |
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Post by wrighter on Sept 2, 2023 22:03:10 GMT
let’s revisit in IFT and I hope your right but loads to be worried about right now There isn't loads to be worried about though. There are some genuine flashes of brilliance in this squad. Yes, we need a LCB, and time will tell if we need a striker, but I think there is enough goals in any front three we can deploy to take us through to January at least. You can't go signing the sheer amount of players we have (and needed) and expect it everything to be hunky dory right away, it just isn't possible. It's a massive root and branch rebuild, one the club has been crying out for, for years. Put another way, there is much more to be excited about than there is to be worried about. Thank God for a sensible post at last |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 2, 2023 22:16:16 GMT
let’s revisit in IFT and I hope your right but loads to be worried about right now There isn't loads to be worried about though. There are some genuine flashes of brilliance in this squad. Yes, we need a LCB, and time will tell if we need a striker, but I think there is enough goals in any front three we can deploy to take us through to January at least. You can't go signing the sheer amount of players we have (and needed) and expect it everything to be hunky dory right away, it just isn't possible. It's a massive root and branch rebuild, one the club has been crying out for, for years. Put another way, there is much more to be excited about than there is to be worried about Relegation form over the last 22 games says differently and the next two are horrendous given current away performances |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2023 22:23:21 GMT
There isn't loads to be worried about though. There are some genuine flashes of brilliance in this squad. Yes, we need a LCB, and time will tell if we need a striker, but I think there is enough goals in any front three we can deploy to take us through to January at least. You can't go signing the sheer amount of players we have (and needed) and expect it everything to be hunky dory right away, it just isn't possible. It's a massive root and branch rebuild, one the club has been crying out for, for years. Put another way, there is much more to be excited about than there is to be worried about Relegation form over the last 22 games says differently and the next two are horrendous given current away performances You are so active on here after defeats, it really is sad. There is something very dodgy about your account. |
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 2, 2023 22:24:11 GMT
Don't get this. What was wrong with the setup? AN couldn't know that Campbell would be absolutely pathetic and that Laurent was going to hide again. The players let us down today. The setup was shite. Constant long balls into an isolated Wesley with no other Stoke player close to him was nonsense. Laurent / Campbell playing attacking roles but actually offered zero threat. There was nothing right about that setup today. Yep. No creativity or playmaker. I'm worried. Vidigal has given us a marvellous positive start with his finishing. But we've got too many "samey" players imo. We needed a number 10, a tough centre half and a striker... Am I being picky? |
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Post by Scrotnig on Sept 2, 2023 22:26:39 GMT
There isn't loads to be worried about though. There are some genuine flashes of brilliance in this squad. Yes, we need a LCB, and time will tell if we need a striker, but I think there is enough goals in any front three we can deploy to take us through to January at least. You can't go signing the sheer amount of players we have (and needed) and expect it everything to be hunky dory right away, it just isn't possible. It's a massive root and branch rebuild, one the club has been crying out for, for years. Put another way, there is much more to be excited about than there is to be worried about Relegation form over the last 22 games says differently and the next two are horrendous given current away performances Forget anything before this season, most of those players are gone. I can be as negative as anyone when it comes to this club, but this season genuinely feels different and it could be the start of something. It’s going to take time though. I think top ten this season is very achievable and I think it will come together. There’s lots to be excited about. |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 2, 2023 23:14:04 GMT
He needs to finish top 10 for me, he'll have been here pretty much 2 full seasons and had total backing on every level at the club.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 2, 2023 23:45:05 GMT
Get that mate but hes Coates’ man, he aint going anywhere All the previous sacked managers were 'Coates men'. They were all moved on for not delivering. Usually months later than they should have been Im on your way of thinking here mate, just dont think anything will happen soon |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 2, 2023 23:48:17 GMT
All the previous sacked managers were 'Coates men'. They were all moved on for not delivering. Usually months later than they should have been Im on your way of thinking here mate, just dont think anything will happen soon It would be insane if it did. |
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Sept 2, 2023 23:59:56 GMT
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Post by Gods on Sept 2, 2023 23:59:56 GMT
I think AN should have trusted his instincts rather than outsource player recruitment to Jared and Tricky.
I don't much like AN, but I think he is clinically sane and at some level I trust him.
Tricky and Jared just seem like a pair of chancers to me.
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Sept 3, 2023 0:03:31 GMT
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Post by willieeetmiout on Sept 3, 2023 0:03:31 GMT
Relegation form over the last 22 games says differently and the next two are horrendous given current away performances You are so active on here after defeats, it really is sad. There is something very dodgy about your account. He's got a point though |
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Post by stokiedan17 on Sept 3, 2023 0:12:02 GMT
There isn't loads to be worried about though. There are some genuine flashes of brilliance in this squad. Yes, we need a LCB, and time will tell if we need a striker, but I think there is enough goals in any front three we can deploy to take us through to January at least. You can't go signing the sheer amount of players we have (and needed) and expect it everything to be hunky dory right away, it just isn't possible. It's a massive root and branch rebuild, one the club has been crying out for, for years. Put another way, there is much more to be excited about than there is to be worried about Relegation form over the last 22 games says differently and the next two are horrendous given current away performances I think you’ll see better results away than at home. This season. Teams will be pressured to attack us at home by the fans. That will play right in to our hands. The reason we smashed Rotherham is that they didn’t hide and sit back. Also they just weren’t very good.. |
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Post by coomerson on Sept 3, 2023 6:55:37 GMT
I think people underestimate what it takes to build a club from the ground up. He’s done brilliantly getting all the foundations in place. He’s recruited exciting players and even binned one that caused a fuss within seconds. I admit it is all about results. But now AN has two weeks he’ll basically use as pre-season. I’m excited to see how we play after that.
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Sept 3, 2023 7:02:52 GMT
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Post by Caddick988 on Sept 3, 2023 7:02:52 GMT
I think the international break comes at a good time for us but we need to make sure we’re making the most of it. We’ve got a solid 2 weeks now to prep and gel as a squad and at least we should have Vidigal and Mmaee back which gives us more options up top.
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Sept 3, 2023 7:16:16 GMT
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Post by vidigal7 on Sept 3, 2023 7:16:16 GMT
After yesterday's disappointment and the beer dried up slightly the picture is clearer.
Both player and manager need time and games, there is no other remedy to that many changes.
We've Just got to cross fingers it happens sooner rather than later and grin and bare it. We've seen enough rubbish over the last few years to last a life time, it's the hope that kills you
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Alex Neil
Sept 3, 2023 7:20:03 GMT
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Post by stokiesteve on Sept 3, 2023 7:20:03 GMT
If we sack him, that’s another manager who will go to another Championship club and guarantee us two more nailed on defeats every season
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Sept 3, 2023 7:22:17 GMT
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Post by vidigal7 on Sept 3, 2023 7:22:17 GMT
If we sack him, that’s another manager who will go to another Championship club and guarantee us two more nailed on defeats every season You can't sack a manager 5 games into a new season after bringing in 16 new players, you deserve a relegation for that, I'd probably not attend again in disgust. You've got to give the manager time to flourish or fail |
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Sept 3, 2023 7:35:54 GMT
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Post by Bojangles on Sept 3, 2023 7:35:54 GMT
We'd be stupid to even think about sacking a manager 5 games into a season on the back of 3 losses. Two of them losses are to the current top two in the league.
Slight over reaction, we've pretty much got a new side and it'll take time to bed in.
The worrying thing for me yesterday was we seemed to get bullied like we did against wall and we don't seem to have found the answer to it. There will be more teams that will try to bully us and get a result. Maybe start with Johnson and Pearson?
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Alex Neil
Sept 3, 2023 7:51:15 GMT
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Post by vidigal7 on Sept 3, 2023 7:51:15 GMT
We'd be stupid to even think about sacking a manager 5 games into a season on the back of 3 losses. Two of them losses are to the current top two in the league. Slight over reaction, we've pretty much got a new side and it'll take time to bed in. The worrying thing for me yesterday was we seemed to get bullied like we did against wall and we don't seem to have found the answer to it. There will be more teams that will try to bully us and get a result. Maybe start with Johnson and Pearson? I like your username, very original, you're the cheap imitation my friend, the rocksport of rockport, the gucci handbag in the flea markets haha |
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Post by thepirehillpoet on Sept 3, 2023 8:03:04 GMT
Alex Neil is the man for the job, he needs time and patience to get on with his business. He has assembled a squad with loads of promise and will need other windows to refine the process.
I cannot understand how it can be ‘gravity crocodile’ time, unbelievable Jeff.
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 3, 2023 8:13:39 GMT
There is nothing to suggest AN is the man for the job. His time at Stoke, his time at Preston and other clubs. He's never undertaken anything like what he has to do at Stoke City before.
Yesterday was a massive wake up call against a jobbing Championship side.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2023 8:27:18 GMT
He's been backed to the hilt and anything less than play-offs should be deemed as a failure.
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