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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2023 18:21:29 GMT
I was wondering how long it would be before your England hating posts started again  Saved my one and only just for you. I promise I'm not convinced  |
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Alex Neil
Sept 2, 2023 18:22:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2023 18:22:08 GMT
Neil will be under huge pressure, very very soon
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Post by peepin on Sept 2, 2023 18:22:44 GMT
It’s a strange one isn’t it, I don’t want to be another poster with a knee jerk reaction to a loss. But you cannot deny that AGAIN it seems like we haven’t been beaten by a better team but beaten by a better game plan. You always get this sense of playing with 10 men when he persists to put Campbell out wide, he needs to be within 10 yards of Wesley for the whole ‘target man’ to work. He did exactly the same thing with Powell last season and it was obvious to 25,000 individuals that it wasn’t working.
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Post by homer32 on Sept 2, 2023 18:25:21 GMT
Just got home as l live in Birmingham. I haven’t listened or read anything about the game but my overall opinion is that AN was outthought again today tactically.l think he is naive tactically, Ryan Lowe won that game with his substitutions which AN doesn’t seem capable of doing.Very worrying
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Alex Neil
Sept 2, 2023 18:26:20 GMT
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Sept 2, 2023 18:26:20 GMT
Neil will be under huge pressure, very very soon Think he's got to be given time to get so many new signings to gel together.. but he does need to find answers to breaking down strong physical and well organised teams. 2 games v Millwall and Preston 2 defeats. 0 goals. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 2, 2023 18:26:24 GMT
Saved my one and only just for you. I promise I'm not convinced I've disowned international football...stupid idea it was in the first place |
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Post by neddy on Sept 2, 2023 18:27:07 GMT
We really can’t carry Campbell and he needs to be a sub when needed to chase a game rather than a starter for me?
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Alex Neil
Sept 2, 2023 18:27:25 GMT
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Post by chell_rosey on Sept 2, 2023 18:27:25 GMT
Neil will be under huge pressure, very very soon Not before mid October, surely? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2023 18:27:55 GMT
Neil will be under huge pressure, very very soon Think he's got to be given time to get so many new signings to gel together.. but he does need to find answers to breaking down strong physical and well organised teams. 2 games v Millwall and Preston 2 defeats. 0 goals. What has he offered in the year he's been here? Fuck all |
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Alex Neil
Sept 2, 2023 18:33:33 GMT
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Post by Gawa on Sept 2, 2023 18:33:33 GMT
You're appealing to the mind of a football fan though. There are always going to be a large number of people who won't be willing to give Alex Neil time this season. To be fair to those people, if Alex Neil had showed last season that he was a tactically astute manager, and had us competing higher in the league than he did, then the patience this season would be a lot thicker. I remain completely unconvinced that he is anything other than a steady manager who isn't going to have us competing at the top end of this division. I agree that based on this close seasons squad upheaval that he needs more time to see if he can get us challenging, but I'm also not surprised people are vocal about how shit we can still look. It's not about this season for me...pretty much his whole tenure. Not like he's just arrived and things are improving on the pitch under him. Some are totally burying their heads and basing things on what they hope will happen. He's shown nothing in 12 months to prove that he will take us forward in any sense at all. The gel excuse was always going to be rolled at at every opportunity and further loss. Some just won't accept the facts over their hopes and you know when they resort to insults that have nothing upstairs to back up an argument. I think a few people are just trying to save face because they've made excuses at every turn for him. His last 100 championship games as a manager (and the majority of those weren't at stoke): 32 wins - 21 draws - 47 losses He loses every other game and gets 1.17 ppg. We can make all the excuses we like but the more I watch him the more I think that the only times he's achieved anything is when he's had significantly more/better resources at his disposal than the rest of the division in which he's competed. |
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Sept 2, 2023 18:36:38 GMT
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Post by vidigal7 on Sept 2, 2023 18:36:38 GMT
It's not about this season for me...pretty much his whole tenure. Not like he's just arrived and things are improving on the pitch under him. Some are totally burying their heads and basing things on what they hope will happen. He's shown nothing in 12 months to prove that he will take us forward in any sense at all. The gel excuse was always going to be rolled at at every opportunity and further loss. Some just won't accept the facts over their hopes and you know when they resort to insults that have nothing upstairs to back up an argument. I think a few people are just trying to save face because they've made excuses at every turn for him. His last 100 championship games as a manager (and the majority of those weren't at stoke): 32 wins - 21 draws - 47 losses He loses every other game and gets 1.17 ppg. We can make all the excuses we like but the more I watch him the more I think that the only times he's achieved anything is when he's had significantly more/better resources at his disposal than the rest of the division in which he's competed. It's hard to get away from the fact he's been promoted twice though and hes only 41, you've got to have something about you to get over the line. I do feel for him with so.msny changes but it's not easy as a supporter when you've got all these new supposedly excuting players and you're getting slapped at home by PNE |
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Alex Neil
Sept 2, 2023 18:41:36 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2023 18:41:36 GMT
It’s a strange one isn’t it, I don’t want to be another poster with a knee jerk reaction to a loss. But you cannot deny that AGAIN it seems like we haven’t been beaten by a better team but beaten by a better game plan. You always get this sense of playing with 10 men when he persists to put Campbell out wide, he needs to be within 10 yards of Wesley for the whole ‘target man’ to work. He did exactly the same thing with Powell last season and it was obvious to 25,000 individuals that it wasn’t working. Another major issue with what you've said is that Wesley looks to be pretty average at best, and absolutely gash at worst. |
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Alex Neil
Sept 2, 2023 18:42:36 GMT
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Post by scfcno1fan on Sept 2, 2023 18:42:36 GMT
It’s a strange one isn’t it, I don’t want to be another poster with a knee jerk reaction to a loss. But you cannot deny that AGAIN it seems like we haven’t been beaten by a better team but beaten by a better game plan. You always get this sense of playing with 10 men when he persists to put Campbell out wide, he needs to be within 10 yards of Wesley for the whole ‘target man’ to work. He did exactly the same thing with Powell last season and it was obvious to 25,000 individuals that it wasn’t working. Another major issue with what you've said is that Wesley looks to be pretty average at best, and absolutely gash at worst. Wesley isn’t good enough. |
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Alex Neil
Sept 2, 2023 18:45:01 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 2, 2023 18:45:01 GMT
It's not about this season for me...pretty much his whole tenure. Not like he's just arrived and things are improving on the pitch under him. Some are totally burying their heads and basing things on what they hope will happen. He's shown nothing in 12 months to prove that he will take us forward in any sense at all. The gel excuse was always going to be rolled at at every opportunity and further loss. Some just won't accept the facts over their hopes and you know when they resort to insults that have nothing upstairs to back up an argument. I think a few people are just trying to save face because they've made excuses at every turn for him. His last 100 championship games as a manager (and the majority of those weren't at stoke): 32 wins - 21 draws - 47 losses He loses every other game and gets 1.17 ppg. We can make all the excuses we like but the more I watch him the more I think that the only times he's achieved anything is when he's had significantly more/better resources at his disposal than the rest of the division in which he's competed. You're absolutely spot on but some seem to be hiding for the facts.. ie the stats. That's a poor record considering a lot of those were with the best team in the division at the time There's a clique of...he's going to do this brigade as you say who won't accept the reality and their defence is something that hasn't and isn't likely to happen |
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Sept 2, 2023 18:45:38 GMT
Fuck him off - he's had five games already...
Our fanbase is fucking mental.
He got it wrong against Millwall but changed it. Today, we weren't great first half but it was pretty even then errors on the pitch saw us two goals down very quickly. He changed it and we improved.
Give it time for crying out loud. If people think we're going to waltz into the play-offs they need to get real and quick.
"but he's been backed"...
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Sept 2, 2023 18:46:53 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 2, 2023 18:46:53 GMT
Fuck him off - he's had five games already... Our fanbase is fucking mental. He got it wrong against Millwall but changed it. Today, we weren't great first half but it was pretty even then errors on the pitch saw us two goals down very quickly. He changed it and we improved. Give it time for crying out loud. If people think we're going to waltz into the play-offs they need to get real and quick. "but he's been backed"... 45 games you mean? He changed it..and? Nothing happened, again. |
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Post by thevoid on Sept 2, 2023 18:49:37 GMT
Fuck him off - he's had five games already... Our fanbase is fucking mental. He got it wrong against Millwall but changed it. Today, we weren't great first half but it was pretty even then errors on the pitch saw us two goals down very quickly. He changed it and we improved. Give it time for crying out loud. If people think we're going to waltz into the play-offs they need to get real and quick. "but he's been backed"... Ipswich were two down today and won. Unlike other clubs, we don't do 'come from behind wins' do we, so the manager needs to get his shit together from minute one, not minute 51. It's not good enough. |
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Sept 2, 2023 18:55:00 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 2, 2023 18:55:00 GMT
We should make an ambitious attempt to get Graham Potter. It would be pointless now. When he was still in Sweden, we might have but we didn't. He's a PL manager now and will eventually be with a club at that level, perhaps not a top six team but not a bottom four either. We've seen already this season that there are managers who can set teams up and we don't have one. It doesn't necessarily have to be a big name. Why we poached Neil will never know and as Gawa pointed out, his record isn't very good at all , he loses far more than he wins. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 2, 2023 18:57:11 GMT
Sadly there was a euphoria Around the window because if the alleged flair players but last May we needed three players a big mobile scoring forward and a monster centre half were two of them and he and his special recruitment team have found either .
we neded physicality all over the pitch millwall; and Preston have bullied us showing that lesson nor learned either .
he needed to show this season he could manage games snd selection in a way he didn’t last year he’s failed three times to do that .
Three times this season his team hsvd looked totally disorganised once behind .
im under no illusions the owners will du-Piet him to the very death but some of the signings are clearly struggling hoever , Wesley , Mmaee , to. Name three
Truth is we are as far away from being a decent team now as the day he walked in just double digit millions poorer
A team will only ever be as good as it’s recruitment and it’s manager and right now millwall and Ipswich snd Preston are miles ahead , he’s been trampled all over as a soft touch twice by Gary Rowett and Ryan Lowe in the last six months or so amd and some point the spotlight will surely land squarely on him , todays was a very I’ll prepared line up and fine plan made no better by random subs which gad no effect .
Hes way beyond his comfort zone in this rebuild and it’s showing in the balance of players we’ve signed and the results and performances .
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Sept 2, 2023 18:57:19 GMT
Fuck him off - he's had five games already... Our fanbase is fucking mental. He got it wrong against Millwall but changed it. Today, we weren't great first half but it was pretty even then errors on the pitch saw us two goals down very quickly. He changed it and we improved. Give it time for crying out loud. If people think we're going to waltz into the play-offs they need to get real and quick. "but he's been backed"... Ipswich were two down today and won. Unlike other clubs, we don't do 'come from behind wins' do we, so the manager needs to get his shit together from minute one, not minute 51. It's not good enough. I don't disagree with your last comment, but it's going to take time whether you like it or not. It's a new squad and everyone is still learning. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2023 18:58:25 GMT
Another major issue with what you've said is that Wesley looks to be pretty average at best, and absolutely gash at worst. Wesley isn’t good enough. He certainly doesn't look it. |
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Sept 2, 2023 18:58:51 GMT
Fuck him off - he's had five games already... Our fanbase is fucking mental. He got it wrong against Millwall but changed it. Today, we weren't great first half but it was pretty even then errors on the pitch saw us two goals down very quickly. He changed it and we improved. Give it time for crying out loud. If people think we're going to waltz into the play-offs they need to get real and quick. "but he's been backed"... He changed it..and? Nothing happened, again. We were better when he changed it. It gives him something to think about and learn from going forward. Give it time. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 2, 2023 19:06:32 GMT
He changed it..and? Nothing happened, again. We were better when he changed it. It gives him something to think about and learn from going forward. Give it time. He changed it and we got better v Ipswich and millwall too suggests he got it hopelessly wrong first time around again , he s hieved the impossible today making Liam Lindsay look like Bobby mooore albeit it’s not that impossible as he did it last time we played Preston too . |
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Sept 2, 2023 19:08:37 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 2, 2023 19:08:37 GMT
He changed it..and? Nothing happened, again. We were better when he changed it. It gives him something to think about and learn from going forward. Give it time. The three games he's changed it...we've failed to score. True we were better but wasn't hard. They made one change and turned the game |
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Post by retrostoke on Sept 2, 2023 19:13:38 GMT
Are all clubs like this or is it just Stoke. You win a game and it’s a top 6 minimum. You lose a game and the manager is absolutely wank.
It’s the 2nd September and we have won 2 and lost 3 after a turnover of 17 players. What was expected, 5 wins.
Sometimes it’s embarrassing to read.
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Post by Royal Donut on Sept 2, 2023 19:21:24 GMT
He needs to go, I mean some players have been with us nearly a whole 24hours, can we sell them yet?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 2, 2023 19:26:56 GMT
Are all clubs like this or is it just Stoke. You win a game and it’s a top 6 minimum. You lose a game and the manager is absolutely wank. It’s the 2nd September and we have won 2 and lost 3 after a turnover of 17 players. What was expected, 5 wins. Sometimes it’s embarrassing to read. Actually its perfectly reasonable , losses to Ipswich millwall and Preston have been performances which we’re every bit as insipid as last year , key long standing obvious issues hsve not been addressed by the recruitment and we are as far away today as when he walked in over a year ago . Some of the recruits we have look well short of what we need. It’s very concerning and our slide down the table after the next two away games is bound to turn the screw on him unless he can dramatically change away performance and results . |
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Sept 2, 2023 19:30:00 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2023 19:30:00 GMT
Neil will be under huge pressure, very very soon Not before mid October, surely? Calming down then yes, I'd say he should be given until the end of October. But the decision making is embarrassing. In game he's crap, selection is crap, and his decision to gamble on Wesley as our only central striker is crap. I'll be clear on this, Wesley is fucking rubbish. I can't believe we haven't prioritized getting another striker in |
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Sept 2, 2023 19:32:20 GMT
Another major issue with what you've said is that Wesley looks to be pretty average at best, and absolutely gash at worst. Wesley isn’t good enough. He holds the ball up ok but can’t jump, shoot and his touch is hit and miss. Need much more from him |
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Post by Squeekster on Sept 2, 2023 19:33:57 GMT
Battered them and lost. Simple as that. Campbell shouldn't be anywhere near the squad. Now come on, no way did we batter a piss poor PNE team our first shot on target ws late 70th minute! |
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