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Post by butler64 on Oct 8, 2023 9:58:02 GMT
Why is he still the manager? Because we're 7 points off a play-off place, have a shed load of injuries and have had to integrate 17 new players. It's as simple as that really, perfectly reasonable explanation More importantly we’re only 2 points off the relegation places which simply isn’t good enough.
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Post by spoton on Oct 8, 2023 9:58:54 GMT
The main problem is this though,,,do you trust the owners to bring in anyone better,if someone can honestly answer that with a positive then get rid otherwise what's the point No baby can make this squad anything other than relegation fodder and we sadly have to accept this the only benefit of a new manager isa. Better atmosphere which will inevitably deteriorate and a clear shot at next year but not many survive a 30 game run to inevitable relegation unless you do the unthinkable and go warnock to preserve your status and then change again next summer I don't still don't believe it will be a better atmosphere when we are in the bottom three whoever is the manager, but the question still remains will the current owners bring in someone better,on past history I would say no
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 8, 2023 10:00:26 GMT
Because we're 7 points off a play-off place, have a shed load of injuries and have had to integrate 17 new players. It's as simple as that really, perfectly reasonable explanation More importantly we’re only 2 points off the relegation places which simply isn’t good enough. With 35 games to play, far too early, especially given the circumstances
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Post by satoshi on Oct 8, 2023 10:04:28 GMT
More importantly we’re only 2 points off the relegation places which simply isn’t good enough. With 35 games to play, far too early, especially given the circumstances Yes with more games we’ll be cemented in the bottom three
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Post by swampySCFC on Oct 8, 2023 10:06:14 GMT
All this crap about injuries, bad refs etc. Let’s not forget that AN only came here for two reasons. None were for football. He is paid big bucks to “manage”.
At the moment he seems to be floundering with his squad and tactics and that is why we sit fourth bottom. You could argue that the Bristol result was fortunate after going 2 down and that other notable points gained were against clubs in and around the relegation places like us.
As for the defeats I don’t think you can argue we were ever likely to get a result from them as we just seem to lie down and fade away.
With similar squad upheaval there are several other clubs like Hull who seem to be performing whereas we are not.
No more excuses. Manage the situation Neil or give your wages to charity
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 8, 2023 10:06:22 GMT
With 35 games to play, far too early, especially given the circumstances Yes with more games we’ll be cemented in the bottom three Nobody is cemented anywhere with 35 games to play
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Post by pushon on Oct 8, 2023 10:06:52 GMT
He’s achieved very little since his arrival, talked well about what he wanted to achieve but put none of it into practice and seems incapable of it. The defence is yet again a shambles and, let’s face it, was before the injuries. The striker situation is more baffling in some ways and is just as much a worry. Wesley was never going to be prolific, Gayle shot, Campbell good for 10-12 goals a season. Mmaee, Vidigal et al unknowns really, Vidigal has been a surprise and I suspect has surprised the management team yet we sell Brown, good for 10-12 goals a season and not replaced him. So who sanctioned or allowed these decisions, it can only be Neil, failing on and off the field and in recruitment as well. It’s truly time for him to go but also a huge indictment of our club structure and strategy. Excellent summary 👏
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Post by pulismaskreplica on Oct 8, 2023 10:15:01 GMT
No point sacking another dour British manager to replace with another dour British manager… that is all this board knows and facts back up that that’s exactly what they’d do if they gave Neil the boot
The blueprint seems to be new manager loses more than he wins and eventually grinds everyone down with lower mid table dross. Gets sacked and gets replaced by the exact same manager but with a different name. Then he loses more than he wins and eventually grinds everyone down…
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Post by sharonbeech21 on Oct 8, 2023 10:26:52 GMT
We cant carry on with Alex Neil because if we do we will.go down. He is clearly not the man to take us forward.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Oct 8, 2023 10:36:24 GMT
Yes with more games we’ll be cemented in the bottom three Nobody is cemented anywhere with 35 games to play Agreed. However, I think that you have to admit though that there is very little evidence so far this season to suggest that we are on anything other than a downward trajectory. I think we have the makings of a decent squad, but AN is managing this group of players very poorly at the moment and we look poorly coached. Tactically, we look all over the place. The next three games are massive. If we fail to pick up any wins against Leeds, Sunderland, and Middlesbrough then we will be cemented in the bottom three with nearly a third of the season gone. AN is starting to run out of time and needs a little unbeaten run from somewhere.
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Post by deeside2 on Oct 8, 2023 10:39:23 GMT
When he arrived I was thankful for the change from MON and genuinely hoped he would be able to turn the club around and into genuine promotion contenders. I was prepared to give him the rest of last season knowing the "big reset" was going to happen this summer. Sadly his performance and results this year have just followed the miserable fare we saw last season. After 50+ games in charge he seems no nearer moulding us into an effective, competitive team than the day he first arrived.
His selections and team formations have been bewildering (even allowing for injuries), his "tactics" are what exactly (does he even know himself ?), his in-game management is seemingly non-existent, his substitutions are sometimes very early (as he's got it wrong initially) or way too late, and his overall record is abysmal.
There is no tangible reason why he should be allowed to remain as manager.
He needs to go before we are stuck in the bottom three, as it already looks like we're going to be embroiled in a relegation battle.
Neil Out ! (I'll be hiding behind the sofa when the next manager is appointed !).
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 8, 2023 10:40:42 GMT
Yes with more games we’ll be cemented in the bottom three Nobody is cemented anywhere with 35 games to play Thats a fair point but when O’Neill took over and we escaped the drop it took 31 games to get 48 points which means we’ve got to get it moving sooner rather than later
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Post by shrewspotter on Oct 8, 2023 10:43:20 GMT
I think after what looked a good window until a few days to go he's fucked up
Firstly with Jags, Sterling, Tuanzebe, Tymon and Taylor all going, we simply neglected the back line, there is no way we should have sanctioned the sale of Taylor and Tymon until we were certain replacements were in.
Then we did the exact same with Brown but to lesser degree
That decision is on him, he's been unlucky but he should have prepared for this, he didn't and this is the end result
He can go for me, he's been poor
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Post by mcw on Oct 8, 2023 10:46:41 GMT
Nobody is cemented anywhere with 35 games to play Agreed. However, I think that you have to admit though that there is very little evidence so far this season to suggest that we are on anything other than a downward trajectory. I think we have the makings of a decent squad, but AN is managing this group of players very poorly at the moment and we look poorly coached. Tactically, we look all over the place. The next three games are massive. If we fail to pick up any wins against Leeds, Sunderland, and Middlesbrough then we will be cemented in the bottom three with nearly a third of the season gone. AN is starting to run out of time and needs a little unbeaten run from somewhere. The chance of an unbeaten run seems negligent at the moment. AN may point to injuries etc, but we’ve already tried however many goddam variations in defence and midfield before injuries and fallen short. Confidence is low, individual performance levels have markedly dropped off (Laurent, McNally and Johnson specifically) and AN keeps fiddling with formations like he is some kind of tactical genius. If he doesn’t settle on one system and one style of play in the short term then this team is going to continue to struggle. Get one system I place, simple instructions to the team and try and play ourselves into some kind of form.
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Post by milky on Oct 8, 2023 10:46:46 GMT
Nobody is cemented anywhere with 35 games to play Thats a fair point but when O’Neill took over and we escaped the drop it took 31 games to get 48 points which means we’ve got to get it moving sooner rather than later When you look at it like that it's a bit of a concern. Going on memory when MON took over early November we had 8 points . We currently have 10 with a very tricky 3 games ahead of us going into November. It's not inconceivable we will be facing the same situation unless AN pulls a rabbit out of the hat.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 8, 2023 10:48:38 GMT
Thats a fair point but when O’Neill took over and we escaped the drop it took 31 games to get 48 points which means we’ve got to get it moving sooner rather than later When you look at it like that it's a bit of a concern. Going on memory when MON took over early November we had 8 points . We currently have 10 with a very tricky 3 games ahead of us going into November. It's not inconceivable we will be facing the same situation unless AN pulls a rabbit out of the hat. Yes mate we had 8 points from 15 games and it took until 2 games to go to be safe due to a fantastic job by O’Neill.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2023 10:49:02 GMT
I've swayed again and think he probably has to go now, looking at that Percy tweet and his actual record since he came, which is awful.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Oct 8, 2023 10:51:03 GMT
Agreed. However, I think that you have to admit though that there is very little evidence so far this season to suggest that we are on anything other than a downward trajectory. I think we have the makings of a decent squad, but AN is managing this group of players very poorly at the moment and we look poorly coached. Tactically, we look all over the place. The next three games are massive. If we fail to pick up any wins against Leeds, Sunderland, and Middlesbrough then we will be cemented in the bottom three with nearly a third of the season gone. AN is starting to run out of time and needs a little unbeaten run from somewhere. The chance of an unbeaten run seems negligent at the moment. AN may point to injuries etc, but we’ve already tried however many goddam variations in defence and midfield before injuries and fallen short. Confidence is low, individual performance levels have markedly dropped off (Laurent, McNally and Johnson specifically) and AN keeps fiddling with formations like he is some kind of tactical genius. If he doesn’t settle on one system and one style of play in the short term then this team is going to continue to struggle. Get one system I place, simple instructions to the team and try and play ourselves into some kind of form. I could not agree more. 4-3-3 (or 4-2-3-1) with two natural wingers. AN should stick to the system that we actually recruited for in the summer.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Oct 8, 2023 10:52:56 GMT
More importantly we’re only 2 points off the relegation places which simply isn’t good enough. With 35 games to play, far too early, especially given the circumstances I “think” this means if consistent he’ll gain somewhere around 34 points for those games if his past record at SCFC is anything to go by. That would total 44 points or there about. If wrong apologies in advance!! Based on last season’s final league places where would that put us? Hypothetically if that occurred would that be viewed as acceptable?
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Post by redwalter on Oct 8, 2023 10:56:41 GMT
Ashley Cole - by all accounts highly rated , new generation profile would generate good player acquisition
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Post by mcw on Oct 8, 2023 10:57:25 GMT
The chance of an unbeaten run seems negligent at the moment. AN may point to injuries etc, but we’ve already tried however many goddam variations in defence and midfield before injuries and fallen short. Confidence is low, individual performance levels have markedly dropped off (Laurent, McNally and Johnson specifically) and AN keeps fiddling with formations like he is some kind of tactical genius. If he doesn’t settle on one system and one style of play in the short term then this team is going to continue to struggle. Get one system I place, simple instructions to the team and try and play ourselves into some kind of form. I could not agree more. 4-3-3 (or 4-2-3-1) with two natural wingers. AN should stick to the system that we actually recruited for in the summer. I think he likes the fact that pundits etc give him plaudits for thinking through tactics on a game by game basis. Fine if you have a settled team that is well drilled and can take on board changes week on week. Unfortunately we are not that team, so stop analysing the bloody opposition and actually putting fear/concerns into the heads of each and every player-I.e. we need to worry about overloads etc. Define what we want to do and stop bloody worrying about the opposition, let them worry about us.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2023 11:04:50 GMT
When the AN supporters are reduced to trying to concoct arguments, as to why he should stay, despite losing more games than mad Nathan, then you know they are clutching at straws .
It's not possible at Stoke , to lose more games than NJ and be on the right track.
Even NJ accepted , that if you lose as many games as himself, you have to go.
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Post by swampySCFC on Oct 8, 2023 11:05:55 GMT
Thats a fair point but when O’Neill took over and we escaped the drop it took 31 games to get 48 points which means we’ve got to get it moving sooner rather than later When you look at it like that it's a bit of a concern. Going on memory when MON took over early November we had 8 points . We currently have 10 with a very tricky 3 games ahead of us going into November. It's not inconceivable we will be facing the same situation unless AN pulls a rabbit out of the hat. It is quite telling that we are looking for 3 teams worse than us and in truth there no doubt are however what a situation be in. As for being 8 points off the play offs that kind of thinking at present is pure fantasy
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 8, 2023 11:10:42 GMT
hes had more than enough time.......dont forget the omnishamble of last season..... I actually agree. However, I think that the board are so invested in AN's overhaul of the club that they will try and give him as much time as possible. I was never convinced about AN's appointment on the first place, but I have been desperate for him to succeed. However, I have seen very little in the last 12 months that suggests he has any idea how to move this club forward. I hope he finds a solution quickly or that the board act decisively. Either way, we do not look like a team that will be able to pull ourselves out of relegation scrap if that is where we find ourselves after Christmas. I'd say the signings we've made have been a fairly big step forward, for us at least, it shouldn't have been but on the hole it's been a long way from all British/tried and tested signings we've been used to.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 8, 2023 11:12:29 GMT
MON saved us from almost certain relegation, but did little after that. I have every sympathy with MON, he inherited a poor bunch of player left by previous managers, he gave youngsters a chance, he had no money, he had players on long contracts no one else wanted, the pandemic, etc. But at the end of the day MON lost his way and created nothing and left a poor bunch of players himself. Neil has cleaned them out and assembled a bunch of more talented players who seem to want to try, but Neil seems incapable of "getting a tune" out of them. This. I think people forget how bad the situation was when MoN walked through the door. He saved us from almost certain relegation and in his first full season he stabilised the club despite FFP restrictions. We even had a couple of short dabbles around the play-offs. However, by the end of his tenure he had lost his way and looked short of ideas. Ultimately, his groundwork whilst being hamstrung by FFP is why AN was able to bring in 17 players in the summer. It was the right decision to sack him, but we can appreciate that he did a decent job. He lost his way straight after keeping us up, should have gone at the end of the first full season.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2023 11:15:18 GMT
I think after what looked a good window until a few days to go he's fucked up Firstly with Jags, Sterling, Tuanzebe, Tymon and Taylor all going, we simply neglected the back line, there is no way we should have sanctioned the sale of Taylor and Tymon until we were certain replacements were in. Then we did the exact same with Brown but to lesser degree That decision is on him, he's been unlucky but he should have prepared for this, he didn't and this is the end result He can go for me, he's been poor I honestly thought we were selling Brown to get in the cash to get the BTA (wba ) deal over the line. Which I was quite happy with, they both run around a lot , press the opposition for 90 mins and have their good days. But to sell Brown, to just to get rid of Brown, but not sign BTA , makes little sense.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 8, 2023 11:16:47 GMT
We’ve scored 11 league goals in 11 games. 7 of those have been in 2 games, so 4 goals from the other 9. The manager has left us bereft of ideas up front and with what resources he have, he can’t get a tune out of them. It is now time for him to go. Do we ignore the cup games?
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Post by scfcno1fan on Oct 8, 2023 11:19:27 GMT
We’ve scored 11 league goals in 11 games. 7 of those have been in 2 games, so 4 goals from the other 9. The manager has left us bereft of ideas up front and with what resources he have, he can’t get a tune out of them. It is now time for him to go. Do we ignore the cup games? I’ll add the extra goals against the worst team in the league.
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Oct 8, 2023 11:20:14 GMT
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 8, 2023 11:20:14 GMT
I think after what looked a good window until a few days to go he's fucked up Firstly with Jags, Sterling, Tuanzebe, Tymon and Taylor all going, we simply neglected the back line, there is no way we should have sanctioned the sale of Taylor and Tymon until we were certain replacements were in. Then we did the exact same with Brown but to lesser degree That decision is on him, he's been unlucky but he should have prepared for this, he didn't and this is the end result He can go for me, he's been poor I honestly thought we were selling Brown to get in the cash to get the BTA (wba ) deal over the line. Which I was quite happy with, they both run around a lot , press the opposition for 90 mins and have their good days. But to sell Brown, to just to get rid of Brown, but not sign BTA , makes little sense. Seems clear that Leris was Brown's replacement, seemed that way at the time.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 8, 2023 11:21:33 GMT
Do we ignore the cup games? I’ll add the extra goals against the worst team in the league. Don't forget West Brom, worst or not they're both Championship teams and it's only fair to include them.
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