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Post by emretezzy on Oct 8, 2023 5:31:35 GMT
I'll tell you now, 1 billion percent the signings are absolutely fine, to above average. We need to appoint a progressive manager to compliment the progressive transfer policy. He genuinely doesn't know what he's doing. I think for a long time, AN's big bluff was he is deep tactical thinker about the game, and sets his team up differently every game to deploy different tactics against different opponents. Now , 50 , 60 games in , Stoke fans are coming round to...let's be honest mate , you keep setting the team up differently, because you don't know what to do for the best . You are just endlessly changing personnel, formations and tactics in the hope of stumbling across something that works . But by the 50 th re jig , people are inevitably going to ask...if you don't know what you want, how are the players meant to know ? Spot on, you can see in his interviews an air of arrogance in I no more than you rhetoric and quotes. He does stuff for the sake of doing stuff. The Diamond Tuesday a prime example. Never don3 it before don't have the players for it and left the best winger 1 on 1 with our main attacking threat pinning him back all game because Leris had a license to stand up front and do fuck all. The horse has already bolted but he 100% should have pinned everything on 4-3-3 (as he recruited for) and live and die by the sword. Instead he's going go out in a world of mehhh not even knowing half of his best 11.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 8, 2023 7:15:40 GMT
Neil Martin and Jared have got us relegated no doubt in my mind it’s a sunderland till I die catastrophe season written all over it , so any appointment needs to reflect that , no point hiring red Adair then sacking him in May , we need to think past disaster btwce ourselves for 30 plus games dominated by failure and rebuild from the mess they have created I'll tell you now, 1 billion percent the signings are absolutely fine, to above average. We need to appoint a progressive manager to compliment the progressive transfer policy. He genuinely doesn't know what he's doing. Well i hope you’re right but. Don’t see the mix of any sort of team in there dr any where near the physicality required which is bizarre for someone whose been mod table champsionship most of his life
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Post by kidcrewbob on Oct 8, 2023 7:24:46 GMT
I'll tell you now, 1 billion percent the signings are absolutely fine, to above average. We need to appoint a progressive manager to compliment the progressive transfer policy. He genuinely doesn't know what he's doing. Well i hope you’re right but. Don’t see the mix of any sort of team in there dr any where near the physicality required which is bizarre for someone whose been mod table champsionship most of his life They're a bang average bunch at best and more looking like a stray dogs home from performances thus far. There are a couple with potential but this manager is incapable of dealing with them and making sure they develop and improve in the right way - he has to go.
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Post by questionable on Oct 8, 2023 7:27:46 GMT
I’ve been unable to watch and follow really today but judging by what I’ve read on here he just has to go doesn’t he. Bad luck with injuries etc, I do get that. But by completely neglecting the defence (or not far off) he’s really backed himself into a corner. 18 players in and we can’t field 4 defenders after 11 games Time to go Alex, but what next? Rinse and repeat🤷🏻♂️ That’s what I fear. Our owners are so far from reality it’s staggering what their targets are manager wise , who in their right mind would air to the world that a bloke at work basically got NJ the job. Genuinely thought they’d had a complete rethink with the foreign players over the summer but then handed them to a clueless clown.
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Post by thisisouryear on Oct 8, 2023 7:29:42 GMT
MON is a much better manager than AN, Rowett is a better manager than AN.
AN has taken us backwards and continues to take us backwards. He has no plan and it's hard to see what he is building when he changes formations so often. It just feels like he's adopted an adapt to the opposition and hope it works method and on multiple occasions this season he's been shown up by opposition managers who made a change here and there without reply and walked away with an easy 3 points.
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Post by robwahlmann on Oct 8, 2023 7:37:51 GMT
Tik-tok-tik-tok-tik-tok...........
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 8, 2023 7:43:43 GMT
It seems an awful lot like more people are starting to accept the view that Alex Neil is a bluffer!
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Post by greenhoff on Oct 8, 2023 7:46:56 GMT
I've had it with him. The ubiquitous wind and piss merchant. He's absolutely clueless.
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Post by stokiesteve on Oct 8, 2023 7:50:06 GMT
Back him.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Oct 8, 2023 8:00:43 GMT
Well i hope you’re right but. Don’t see the mix of any sort of team in there dr any where near the physicality required which is bizarre for someone whose been mod table champsionship most of his life They're a bang average bunch at best and more looking like a stray dogs home from performances thus far. There are a couple with potential but this manager is incapable of dealing with them and making sure they develop and improve in the right way - he has to go. I think that we have a decent (although slightly unbalanced squad). Travers is a very good goalkeeper at this level. Pearson, Stevens, Rose and Johnson are all experienced at this level. Burger, Jun-Ho, McNally, and Hoever all have excellent potential. Vidigal, Mmaae, and Haksobanovic have all shown glimpses of being capable performers at this level. I think with the right coaching and management there is a team that is far better than 21st in the league. I feel like so many of our new signings have been under utilised or just plain misused at times. The biggest mistake was not signing enough defenders or a proven striker at this level. This left us playing two central midfielders in our back line and relying on an 18 year old to spearhead our attack yesterday.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Oct 8, 2023 8:09:52 GMT
We’ve scored 11 league goals in 11 games.
7 of those have been in 2 games, so 4 goals from the other 9.
The manager has left us bereft of ideas up front and with what resources he have, he can’t get a tune out of them.
It is now time for him to go.
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Post by ethers26 on Oct 8, 2023 8:12:42 GMT
We’ve scored 11 league goals in 11 games. 7 of those have been in 2 games, so 4 goals from the other 9. The manager has left us bereft of ideas up front and with what resources he have, he can’t get a tune out of them. It is now time for him to go. we've also missed some absolutely sitters.. And been missing our best forward in Vidigal, and who on paper should be our best forward in Mmae..
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Post by pavel on Oct 8, 2023 8:22:10 GMT
He’s achieved very little since his arrival, talked well about what he wanted to achieve but put none of it into practice and seems incapable of it.
The defence is yet again a shambles and, let’s face it, was before the injuries. The striker situation is more baffling in some ways and is just as much a worry. Wesley was never going to be prolific, Gayle shot, Campbell good for 10-12 goals a season. Mmaee, Vidigal et al unknowns really, Vidigal has been a surprise and I suspect has surprised the management team yet we sell Brown, good for 10-12 goals a season and not replaced him.
So who sanctioned or allowed these decisions, it can only be Neil, failing on and off the field and in recruitment as well. It’s truly time for him to go but also a huge indictment of our club structure and strategy.
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Post by sharonbeech21 on Oct 8, 2023 8:25:41 GMT
Alex Neil is not the man to take us forward. He hasnt got a clue. Yesterday when we were 2 0 down he decides to make substitutions. Its too late then. With games against Sumderland Leeds Middlesborough to come I fear for us. I dont know where our next victory will come from. We are 1 place above the relegation zone. How long do we give him because if it Carrys on like this. He will.take us down to League 1. Things need to change
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Oct 8, 2023 8:25:58 GMT
Going to be refreshing various media today to look for the “Club announcement” post.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Oct 8, 2023 8:33:41 GMT
Going to be refreshing various media today to look for the “Club announcement” post. Then you'd be wasting your time. You'd be better off watching the German bier tent they erected in Trentham Gardens for the Oktoberfest being dismantled.
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Post by mongolikecandy on Oct 8, 2023 8:34:20 GMT
This is what Neil said after his last match at Preston before being sacked. It sounds awfully familiar…. “The basics at the moment, we're finding really difficult to do and that makes it really difficult to win football matches," he said. "People talk about knowing your best team, but if I'm being honest, I haven't got a Scooby-Doo what that is at the moment.”
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2023 8:35:38 GMT
I've been hanging on to the notion that he will turn it around for us, but after yesterday I can't justify it anything longer.
He's been a crap appointment. The stats for his time in charge are appalling.
I'll give him until the November international break. If it's the same old story then I want to see him gone.
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Post by spirered on Oct 8, 2023 8:36:29 GMT
As a season ticket holder for the best part of 50 years, I've accepted that there are going to be ups/downs. I've learned to switch off after games so that I don't share my frustrations with the family.
What really pisses me off about the current situation is that Neil has not focused on building a solid foundation thought the spine of the team, during the last 2 transfer windows. The defence is woeful, even when everyone is fit, those centre halves are bottom half championship players at best. There is no natural goalscorer in the team (with the exception of a punt on Mmae from lower European leagues).
It just seems that there is no real pattern of play, and that our players are consistently losing their one to one battles.
I don't think I've seen anything to suggest that Neil is tactically aware, teams just turn up at Stoke with a game plan of how to beat us.
I'd honestly love nothing more than to see Neil turn this around, but the reality is that it just won't happen.
3 hour round trip to the game and back probably isn't a lot by other people's standards, but it really does question your sanity when you already know that the game is lost before you even start the journey.
Sorry for the rant, I just think the fans need much better than what we are being sold.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Oct 8, 2023 8:44:59 GMT
If AN is such a good tactition, how come he doesn't know 433 is most likely the best tactic to play with this squad?
If he thinks another tactic is the best way forward, then bloody stick with it home and away, no more changing week in week out, the players dont know if they are coming or going, with all these changes he makes, even during games.
We know he can't be blamed for all the injuries, but if he had put a squad together, with 2 players for every position, he wouldn't need to change things because someone is missing.
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Post by stokeranger on Oct 8, 2023 8:56:49 GMT
If AN is such a good tactition, how come he doesn't know 433 is most likely the best tactic to play with this squad? If he thinks another tactic is the best way forward, then bloody stick with it home and away, no more changing week in week out, the players dont know if they are coming or going, with all these changes he makes, even during games. We know he can't be blamed for all the injuries, but if he had put a squad together, with 2 players for every position, he wouldn't need to change things because someone is missing. That’s me done with Alex now.. I don’t know what football he likes to play anyway..
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 8, 2023 9:41:15 GMT
Why is he still the manager?
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 8, 2023 9:42:58 GMT
Why is he still the manager? Because we're 7 points off a play-off place, have a shed load of injuries and have had to integrate 17 new players. It's as simple as that really, perfectly reasonable explanation
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 8, 2023 9:43:45 GMT
Why is he still the manager? Because we're 7 points off a play-off place, have a shed load of injuries and have had to integrate 17 new players. It's as simple as that really, perfectly reasonable explanation 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Post by silsdenstokie on Oct 8, 2023 9:46:47 GMT
Why is he still the manager? Because we're 7 points off a play-off place, have a shed load of injuries and have had to integrate 17 new players. It's as simple as that really, perfectly reasonable explanation Have you been hibernating for the last 12 months?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 8, 2023 9:50:10 GMT
Well i hope you’re right but. Don’t see the mix of any sort of team in there dr any where near the physicality required which is bizarre for someone whose been mod table champsionship most of his life They're a bang average bunch at best and more looking like a stray dogs home from performances thus far. There are a couple with potential but this manager is incapable of dealing with them and making sure they develop and improve in the right way - he has to go. I know he has to go and have said so since the day he was appointed as he never ahd the pedigree required and given the head hunt went to his head he thought he was the seconf coming of pep but the point bow is he had a lower chamopsionship squad he has replaced it between him and his Mates and bromance friend with one clearly not good enough or equipped foe this league even if the re incarnation of clough and paisley come next
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Post by spoton on Oct 8, 2023 9:50:12 GMT
Alex Neil is not the man to take us forward. He hasnt got a clue. Yesterday when we were 2 0 down he decides to make substitutions. Its too late then. With games against Sumderland Leeds Middlesborough to come I fear for us. I dont know where our next victory will come from. We are 1 place above the relegation zone. How long do we give him because if it Carrys on like this. He will.take us down to League 1. Things need to change The main problem is this though,,,do you trust the owners to bring in anyone better,if someone can honestly answer that with a positive then get rid otherwise what's the point
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Post by lymepotter on Oct 8, 2023 9:51:52 GMT
What was his formation for the March purple patch?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 8, 2023 9:53:33 GMT
Alex Neil is not the man to take us forward. He hasnt got a clue. Yesterday when we were 2 0 down he decides to make substitutions. Its too late then. With games against Sumderland Leeds Middlesborough to come I fear for us. I dont know where our next victory will come from. We are 1 place above the relegation zone. How long do we give him because if it Carrys on like this. He will.take us down to League 1. Things need to change The main problem is this though,,,do you trust the owners to bring in anyone better,if someone can honestly answer that with a positive then get rid otherwise what's the point No baby can make this squad anything other than relegation fodder and we sadly have to accept this the only benefit of a new manager isa. Better atmosphere which will inevitably deteriorate and a clear shot at next year but not many survive a 30 game run to inevitable relegation unless you do the unthinkable and go warnock to preserve your status and then change again next summer
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 8, 2023 9:57:58 GMT
Because we're 7 points off a play-off place, have a shed load of injuries and have had to integrate 17 new players. It's as simple as that really, perfectly reasonable explanation Have you been hibernating for the last 12 months? Club pressed reset, that means reset. Whole different group of players, only a fool changes when we've been hampered and are a couple of wins away from being in the mix
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