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Post by iglugluk on Sept 2, 2023 17:47:17 GMT
We need to be patient. The next two weeks are really important in getting the players to know one and other on and off the pitch. I’d be lying if I said I’m not concerned though…… Sensible post and I would completely agree. Don't mention time frames though..  |
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Alex Neil
Sept 2, 2023 17:47:26 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2023 17:47:26 GMT
I hate his use of 433. It always feels like we are playing with 10 men; there’s just so much space between our midfield and attack.
It’s a formation built for Laurent. That’s not as big of an issue when he has his 1 in 6 game. It looked to be working in the first 10 mins today when he wanted to get involved. Then he stopped and it crumbled.
This version of 433 is crap.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 2, 2023 17:47:52 GMT
The table isn’t hard to find mate. Where do you think we should be, top with a 100% record? Like Preston? No mate happy where we are. Looking good. I’m just curious as to what your expectations are? |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 2, 2023 17:47:54 GMT
Nothing has convinced me in the last year that he's the man for the job but he's just brought in 17 players and isn't going anywhere.
If things don't change in a few months it'll be interesting to see what his excuses are.
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Sept 2, 2023 17:48:16 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 2, 2023 17:48:16 GMT
Is this the negative arseholes thread this week? - just asking on behalf of Benji He’d be the messiah had we won, but alas we lost so he needs sacking now… welcome to the oatcake 😂 No he wouldn't. |
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Sept 2, 2023 17:48:44 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 2, 2023 17:48:44 GMT
What a weapon you are🙄you’ve come back on the Oatcake after your meltdown and all those years of being a Stoke fan and your suggestion after all that’s gone off in the summer is for the manager to go 🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡🤡 😁. Yep ..I'm the weapon backing a manager who has lost 60 percent of his 46 games and living in the clouds. Priceless 😁😁 Got it. Keep telling yourself that Mummy will kiss it all better and it will be ok Can't see what is happening Delete your account pal if all you can do is spread negative shite as usual |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2023 17:49:29 GMT
We should break the dong to get Potter AN is a passenger at this stage and we know he isn’t signing the players Rylan is 😁 While we are at it, we should be trying our hardest to bring in Kane on loan in January. |
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Sept 2, 2023 17:49:53 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 2, 2023 17:49:53 GMT
😁. Yep ..I'm the weapon backing a manager who has lost 60 percent of his 46 games and living in the clouds. Priceless 😁😁 Got it. Keep telling yourself that Mummy will kiss it all better and it will be ok Can't see what is happening Delete your account pal if all you can do is spread negative shite as usual The stats are wrong obviously 👍 |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 2, 2023 17:50:12 GMT
I hate his use of 433. It always feels like we are playing with 10 men; there’s just so much space between our midfield and attack. It’s a formation built for Laurent. That’s not as big of an issue when he has his 1 in 6 game. It looked to be working in the first 10 mins today when he wanted to get involved. Then he stopped and it crumbled. This version of 433 is crap. His version of 4-3-3 confuses me, I have no idea at times who in the midfield 3 is doing what. And I know most people have a massive hard on for Pearson but I wasn’t that enamoured last season and I’ve been less then impressed this season today. If he’s going to keep picking up yellow cards leaving him walking on eggshells for the rest of the game that’s problematic……. |
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Sept 2, 2023 17:51:14 GMT
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Post by vidigal7 on Sept 2, 2023 17:51:14 GMT
I hate his use of 433. It always feels like we are playing with 10 men; there’s just so much space between our midfield and attack. It’s a formation built for Laurent. That’s not as big of an issue when he has his 1 in 6 game. It looked to be working in the first 10 mins today when he wanted to get involved. Then he stopped and it crumbled. This version of 433 is crap. His version of 4-3-3 confuses me, I have no idea at times who in the midfield 3 is doing what. And I know most people have a massive hard on for Pearson but I wasn’t that enamoured last season and I’ve been less then impressed this season today. If he’s going to keep picking up yellow cards leaving him walking on eggshells for the rest of the game that’s problematic……. I've not seen a close up of the challenge bit we hadn't even hit a minute before he was booked, ridiculous |
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Post by satoshi on Sept 2, 2023 17:51:45 GMT
Like Preston? No mate happy where we are. Looking good. I’m just curious as to what your expectations are? Ha ok, for starters, not being as shit as we have been since relegation. Is that ok? Because as it stands we’re exactly where we’ve been every year since. I’m sorry if your expectations are lower. |
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Sept 2, 2023 17:53:53 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 2, 2023 17:53:53 GMT
Delete your account pal if all you can do is spread negative shite as usual The stats are wrong obviously 👍 Grow up FFS |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 2, 2023 17:54:25 GMT
I’m just curious as to what your expectations are? Ha ok, for starters, not being as shit as we have been since relegation. Is that ok? Because as it stands we’re exactly where we’ve been every year since. I’m sorry if your expectations are lower. I mean I don’t think we are. We’ve lost one home game out of five in all competitions which seems like an improvement to me already. For me there were always going to be days like today as well as days like Rotherham. There’s plenty to worry about (Laurent being an apparent untouchable, some of our defending) but plenty to be excited about as well and I’m certainly not going to piss my pants about things in September when we have a completely new squad. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2023 17:54:26 GMT
I see the usual negative tools are out in force on this thread🙄Rome wasn’t built in a day and i actually think we’ll have a few more defeats in the coming weeks before he gets this team going. 4 home wins on the spin before today but how quickly that’s forgotten.Yes today was poor but thd first goal in our games is crucial but unfortunately a very disciplined TEAM got it and closed the game out very well. Give the bloke time FFS People don't learn. I've had my own issues with Neil and I love a good moan up every now and then but if we haven't learned that changing managers just creates more issues than it solves at this club then people just can't be helped. Sure there comes a time when every manager needs to go but 5 games in with a full new squad just isn't it. People need to grow up and grow a pair. You're appealing to the mind of a football fan though. There are always going to be a large number of people who won't be willing to give Alex Neil time this season. To be fair to those people, if Alex Neil had showed last season that he was a tactically astute manager, and had us competing higher in the league than he did, then the patience this season would be a lot thicker. I remain completely unconvinced that he is anything other than a steady manager who isn't going to have us competing at the top end of this division. I agree that based on this close seasons squad upheaval that he needs more time to see if he can get us challenging, but I'm also not surprised people are vocal about how shit we can still look. |
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Post by satoshi on Sept 2, 2023 17:58:45 GMT
Ha ok, for starters, not being as shit as we have been since relegation. Is that ok? Because as it stands we’re exactly where we’ve been every year since. I’m sorry if your expectations are lower. I mean I don’t think we are. We’ve lost one home game out of five in all competitions which seems like an improvement to me already. For me there were always going to be days like today as well as days like Rotherham. There’s plenty to worry about (Laurent being an apparent untouchable, some of our defending) but plenty to be excited about as well and I’m certainly not going to piss my pants about things in September when we have a completely new squad. Don’t get me wrong, I think we’re in a fantastic place off the pitch. It’s been a fantastic summer. I do have big concerns about our on pitch setup. I don’t see us going out to win until it’s too late. I hope I’m wrong but I’m starting to have grave concerns. For me he has to strip Laurent of the captaincy and stamp his authority and skills on this squad. I don’t know if he’s capable but I do believe he’s capable of reading the riot act. Hopefully it works out soon. |
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Sept 2, 2023 18:00:16 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2023 18:00:16 GMT
People don't learn. I've had my own issues with Neil and I love a good moan up every now and then but if we haven't learned that changing managers just creates more issues than it solves at this club then people just can't be helped. Sure there comes a time when every manager needs to go but 5 games in with a full new squad just isn't it. People need to grow up and grow a pair. You're appealing to the mind of a football fan though. There are always going to be a large number of people who won't be willing to give Alex Neil time this season. To be fair to those people, if Alex Neil had showed last season that he was a tactically astute manager, and had us competing higher in the league than he did, then the patience this season would be a lot thicker. I remain completely unconvinced that he is anything other than a steady manager who isn't going to have us competing at the top end of this division. I agree that based on this close seasons squad upheaval that he needs more time to see if he can get us challenging, but I'm also not surprised people are vocal about how shit we can still look. I don't mind discussion about it at all, but when the conversation rightly turns to the owners and their long list of 'failed' managers people either go stone cold quiet or people are mocked. One of the main protagonists of that is on this thread. You can't keep going on a 12/18 month cycle of blaming managers, watching a new man come in and rip everything up and then rinse repeat. I remember having this conversation last year about MON and shock horror, I was mocked then aswell. Roundly abused in some quarters. It's absolute bollocks. I think I'm done and will leave it there. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 2, 2023 18:00:42 GMT
People don't learn. I've had my own issues with Neil and I love a good moan up every now and then but if we haven't learned that changing managers just creates more issues than it solves at this club then people just can't be helped. Sure there comes a time when every manager needs to go but 5 games in with a full new squad just isn't it. People need to grow up and grow a pair. You're appealing to the mind of a football fan though. There are always going to be a large number of people who won't be willing to give Alex Neil time this season. To be fair to those people, if Alex Neil had showed last season that he was a tactically astute manager, and had us competing higher in the league than he did, then the patience this season would be a lot thicker. I remain completely unconvinced that he is anything other than a steady manager who isn't going to have us competing at the top end of this division. I agree that based on this close seasons squad upheaval that he needs more time to see if he can get us challenging, but I'm also not surprised people are vocal about how shit we can still look. It's not about this season for me...pretty much his whole tenure. Not like he's just arrived and things are improving on the pitch under him. Some are totally burying their heads and basing things on what they hope will happen. He's shown nothing in 12 months to prove that he will take us forward in any sense at all. The gel excuse was always going to be rolled at at every opportunity and further loss. Some just won't accept the facts over their hopes and you know when they resort to insults that have nothing upstairs to back up an argument. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2023 18:01:34 GMT
He has made progress off the pitch.
Things have been changed, that have needed changing for a long time.
But of course, results are everything.
That's the nature of the game.
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Sept 2, 2023 18:05:50 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 2, 2023 18:05:50 GMT
He has made progress off the pitch. Things have been changed, that have needed changing for a long time. But of course, results are everything. That's the nature of the game. He's been given the opportunity to sign lots of players , that's it to date. |
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Sept 2, 2023 18:06:33 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2023 18:06:33 GMT
You're appealing to the mind of a football fan though. There are always going to be a large number of people who won't be willing to give Alex Neil time this season. To be fair to those people, if Alex Neil had showed last season that he was a tactically astute manager, and had us competing higher in the league than he did, then the patience this season would be a lot thicker. I remain completely unconvinced that he is anything other than a steady manager who isn't going to have us competing at the top end of this division. I agree that based on this close seasons squad upheaval that he needs more time to see if he can get us challenging, but I'm also not surprised people are vocal about how shit we can still look. I don't mind discussion about it at all, but when the conversation rightly turns to the owners and their long list of 'failed' managers people either go stone cold quiet or people are mocked. One of the main protagonists of that is on this thread. You can't keep going on a 12/18 month cycle of blaming managers, watching a new man come in and rip everything up and then rinse repeat. I remember having this conversation last year about MON and shock horror, I was mocked then aswell. Roundly abused in some quarters. It's absolute bollocks. I know, I can remember  Again, you're appealing to the mind of the average football fan, and 99% of us haven't got the first clue what we are talking about, so the manager will always carry the can, especially when the clubs owners back them to the hilt, regardless whether its blindly or not. |
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Sept 2, 2023 18:08:35 GMT
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Post by TinkerT on Sept 2, 2023 18:08:35 GMT
I hate his use of 433. It always feels like we are playing with 10 men; there’s just so much space between our midfield and attack. It’s a formation built for Laurent. That’s not as big of an issue when he has his 1 in 6 game. It looked to be working in the first 10 mins today when he wanted to get involved. Then he stopped and it crumbled. This version of 433 is crap. His version of 4-3-3 confuses me, I have no idea at times who in the midfield 3 is doing what. And I know most people have a massive hard on for Pearson but I wasn’t that enamoured last season and I’ve been less then impressed this season today. If he’s going to keep picking up yellow cards leaving him walking on eggshells for the rest of the game that’s problematic……. He's looked even slower this season than he did last, and he's had a pre season with us this year! Needs to be dropped imo, I'm not djs biggest fan but we looked a lot more dynamic in midfield when he came on. |
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Sept 2, 2023 18:10:21 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2023 18:10:21 GMT
You're appealing to the mind of a football fan though. There are always going to be a large number of people who won't be willing to give Alex Neil time this season. To be fair to those people, if Alex Neil had showed last season that he was a tactically astute manager, and had us competing higher in the league than he did, then the patience this season would be a lot thicker. I remain completely unconvinced that he is anything other than a steady manager who isn't going to have us competing at the top end of this division. I agree that based on this close seasons squad upheaval that he needs more time to see if he can get us challenging, but I'm also not surprised people are vocal about how shit we can still look. It's not about this season for me...pretty much his whole tenure. Not like he's just arrived and things are improving on the pitch under him. Some are totally burying their heads and basing things on what they hope will happen. He's shown nothing in 12 months to prove that he will take us forward in any sense at all. The gel excuse was always going to be rolled at at every opportunity and further loss. Some just won't accept the facts over their hopes and you know when they resort to insults that have nothing upstairs to back up an argument. My post wasn't solely aimed at you Muff. He definitely needs time to see if he can get a tune out of this new team he's assembled, regardless of how he performed last season (which definitely wasn't good enough). How much time he gets is anyone's guess, but many more defeats like today's and it won't be long before most fans change tack. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 2, 2023 18:10:29 GMT
His version of 4-3-3 confuses me, I have no idea at times who in the midfield 3 is doing what. And I know most people have a massive hard on for Pearson but I wasn’t that enamoured last season and I’ve been less then impressed this season today. If he’s going to keep picking up yellow cards leaving him walking on eggshells for the rest of the game that’s problematic……. He's looked even slower this season than he did last, and he's had a pre season with us this year! Needs to be dropped imo, I'm not djs biggest fan but we looked a lot more dynamic in midfield when he came on. Pearson for me has been a problem this season, more than Laurent. Said yesterday we lacked that midfield bite and showed massively in the 3 losses already |
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Sept 2, 2023 18:12:06 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 2, 2023 18:12:06 GMT
It's not about this season for me...pretty much his whole tenure. Not like he's just arrived and things are improving on the pitch under him. Some are totally burying their heads and basing things on what they hope will happen. He's shown nothing in 12 months to prove that he will take us forward in any sense at all. The gel excuse was always going to be rolled at at every opportunity and further loss. Some just won't accept the facts over their hopes and you know when they resort to insults that have nothing upstairs to back up an argument. My post wasn't solely aimed at you Muff. He definitely needs time to see if he can get a tune out of this new team he's assembled, regardless of how he performed last season (which definitely wasn't good enough). How much time he gets is anyone's guess, but many more defeats like today's and it won't be long before most fans change tack. I got that, man don't worry Can we make Neil the England manager 😉 |
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Sept 2, 2023 18:13:11 GMT
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Post by xnfourt on Sept 2, 2023 18:13:11 GMT
Excuses..Preston team been together ages..
Sorry lad who scored both goal..signed from Wigan these season..
Sorry this idiot needs to go..instead of buying top players ..buying players from clubs who don't want them..
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Sept 2, 2023 18:14:31 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2023 18:14:31 GMT
My post wasn't solely aimed at you Muff. He definitely needs time to see if he can get a tune out of this new team he's assembled, regardless of how he performed last season (which definitely wasn't good enough). How much time he gets is anyone's guess, but many more defeats like today's and it won't be long before most fans change tack. I got that, man don't worry Can we make Neil the England manager 😉 I was wondering how long it would be before your England hating posts started again |
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Post by TinkerT on Sept 2, 2023 18:15:40 GMT
He's looked even slower this season than he did last, and he's had a pre season with us this year! Needs to be dropped imo, I'm not djs biggest fan but we looked a lot more dynamic in midfield when he came on. Pearson for me has been a problem this season, more than Laurent. Said yesterday we lacked that midfield bite and showed massively in the 3 losses already He was absolute garbage at Ipswich and was exactly the same today. At the moment I'd take Baker and laurent over him. |
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Sept 2, 2023 18:15:58 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 2, 2023 18:15:58 GMT
I got that, man don't worry Can we make Neil the England manager 😉 I was wondering how long it would be before your England hating posts started again Saved my one and only just for you. I promise |
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Post by Clayton Wood on Sept 2, 2023 18:18:14 GMT
The 'it's not his team' faction have now morphed into the 'give him time to gel the new team' faction.
Fine. I get that. But there has to be an achievement and timeline to all this.
For me on New Years Day if the league position is:
10th or above - keep him.
11th to 21st - have a replacement on speed dial, see how the window goes, if it's fixed, keep him. If not see below.
22nd to 24th sack him and hope there is someone who can come in (like MON) to save the ship. But make it clear go down and you are gone (Lambert)
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Alex Neil
Sept 2, 2023 18:20:37 GMT
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Post by a on Sept 2, 2023 18:20:37 GMT
Everyone raved about the side pre kickoff. Just didn’t happen today but with Vidigal back, Junho integrated and Mmaee as an option and we’ll be fine I reckon. Not if he keeps picking Hoever and Campbell Hoever is fine imo, Campbell needs to get a grip |
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