Alex Neil

[lordb]

Oct 3, 2023 7:57:30 GMT baconburger said:

Oct 3, 2023 7:41:48 GMT lordb said:

Not 9n transfer fees but the money will have gone on agents fees, signing on fees and loan fees plus easing FFP issues last January
Hopefully there is some left in the pot for January however suspect it's not going to stretch too far, 1 cash transfer and one loan maybe
And maybe that will do

Again that doesn’t add up. You have info we made a bid for Lascells our bids for Thomas-Asante were public knowledge. The value of those deals would add up to a fair old wedge both in terms of fees and wages. I don’t see many of the incomings being on big wages, Wesley would be the big worry there. Just got to hope Villa paid a good proportion of what they were paying him to fuck him off, thankfully it’s only a 12 month deal and we can shed Gayles wages at the same time, should leave us in a good place to have another dabble either in January or more likely next summer. A decent central striker on loan with a view to a perm in January would be good but no idea about what the targets would be given the richness of the British market, it might have to be another punt.

From what I can gather the bid to Albion was around £2m
Yes Wes will be on big £££

Ideally we can move Baker on (well ideally he ends up being an asset on the pitch but that appears improbable) in January, even if it's a loan that might allow a loan coming in

[y_oh_y_delilah]

Oct 3, 2023 12:17:27 GMT lordb said:

Oct 3, 2023 7:57:30 GMT baconburger said:

Again that doesn’t add up. You have info we made a bid for Lascells our bids for Thomas-Asante were public knowledge. The value of those deals would add up to a fair old wedge both in terms of fees and wages. I don’t see many of the incomings being on big wages, Wesley would be the big worry there. Just got to hope Villa paid a good proportion of what they were paying him to fuck him off, thankfully it’s only a 12 month deal and we can shed Gayles wages at the same time, should leave us in a good place to have another dabble either in January or more likely next summer. A decent central striker on loan with a view to a perm in January would be good but no idea about what the targets would be given the richness of the British market, it might have to be another punt.

From what I can gather the bid to Albion was around £2m
Yes Wes will be on big £££

Ideally we can move Baker on (well ideally he ends up being an asset on the pitch but that appears improbable) in January, even if it's a loan that might allow a loan coming in

It would be a massive achievement if Neil could bang Baker’s heads together (his technicality brilliant, goal scoring midfielder head and his disinterested, couldn’t give a shit head)
I honestly believe there’s a massive player in there somewhere and could be the difference between PL and Championship football next season.
I know most will be saying it’s mission impossible but for me it’s up to Neil to get him to see sense.

[Deleted]

I think he needs a point tonight. We need to show we can build on the weekend result. Saturday is a write off, I think a decent performance tonight will show we are going in the right direction and I think will end any talk of him going until there's another 4-5 game losing streak, as with any manager

[Deleted]

Oct 3, 2023 12:17:27 GMT lordb said:

Oct 3, 2023 7:57:30 GMT baconburger said:

Again that doesn’t add up. You have info we made a bid for Lascells our bids for Thomas-Asante were public knowledge. The value of those deals would add up to a fair old wedge both in terms of fees and wages. I don’t see many of the incomings being on big wages, Wesley would be the big worry there. Just got to hope Villa paid a good proportion of what they were paying him to fuck him off, thankfully it’s only a 12 month deal and we can shed Gayles wages at the same time, should leave us in a good place to have another dabble either in January or more likely next summer. A decent central striker on loan with a view to a perm in January would be good but no idea about what the targets would be given the richness of the British market, it might have to be another punt.

From what I can gather the bid to Albion was around £2m
Yes Wes will be on big £££

Ideally we can move Baker on (well ideally he ends up being an asset on the pitch but that appears improbable) in January, even if it's a loan that might allow a loan coming in

Stoke could have spent about 25 million in the summer and spent half that.

There will be money available to sign players if we are thereabouts. It's looking like we won't be so at least because of what we did, next summer there will be funds available and you would think we'll have more saleable assets than usual to generate funds.

I've no objection to the approach we took to the players we DID sign, but we should have gone all in and just made those crucial two signings at center back and striker

[scfcno1fan]

Oct 3, 2023 12:52:23 GMT @deleted said:

I think he needs a point tonight. We need to show we can build on the weekend result. Saturday is a write off, I think a decent performance tonight will show we are going in the right direction and I think will end any talk of him going until there's another 4-5 game losing streak, as with any manager

Agreed, it’s a huge game for him tonight.

Really hoping we can get something from it.

[baconburger]

Oct 3, 2023 12:55:04 GMT @deleted said:

Oct 3, 2023 12:17:27 GMT lordb said:

From what I can gather the bid to Albion was around £2m
Yes Wes will be on big £££

Ideally we can move Baker on (well ideally he ends up being an asset on the pitch but that appears improbable) in January, even if it's a loan that might allow a loan coming in

Stoke could have spent about 25 million in the summer and spent half that.

There will be money available to sign players if we are thereabouts. It's looking like we won't be so at least because of what we did, next summer there will be funds available and you would think we'll have more saleable assets than usual to generate funds.

I've no objection to the approach we took to the players we DID sign, but we should have gone all in and just made those crucial two signings at center back and striker

Striker prices were crazy. You needed about £8M for someone tbh I wouldn’t have been overly impressed with. Trouble now is nearly all our targets moved so it’s back in for Thomas-Asante or someone (Jared) needs to get busy finding new ones.

[biglad180]

should we really be paying big money for Thomas-Asante he seems to score against us but he is not even in the leading scorers in the championship so far and i think he was benched saturday at west brom,lets not get carried away thinking he will get us a bucket full of goals because the lads not done it so far at west brom,

[biddulphchav]

Oct 2, 2023 21:33:17 GMT Gawa said:

Oct 2, 2023 21:15:18 GMT baconburger said:

No sorry it’s not working. The profit on Jacob Brown was MON’s gift to AN he had little influence in the development of the other two (Collins Souttar) and they were not signed on his watch. Certainly agree about Tymon although MON didn’t sign him he was worthless when he arrived and MON’s confidence in him made him into an asset than AN was a bit daft to dispense with. As I said I don’t think it’s that difficult to anticipate where the next profit will come from but I think a concerted promotion push would require real investment ie a significant net spend. We’ll see whether one ever materialises.

Certainly a number of these new signings could rise in value and turn a profit. Vidigal especially!

I'll take your argument for Collins. But Souttar hadn't even played a league game for Stoke prior to MONs arrival. He was playing in league one on loan at the age of 21. Mon deserves alot of credit for his development. Joey Barton too to be fair. Joeys actually utilised a few stoke loanees very well tbf to him.

I’m not overly impressed with Neil when it comes to developing young players to be honest. I was pretty dissapointed to see Connor Taylor spend a year sitting on his arse off the back of a season in League 2 where we had been player of the year. Instead we persisted with Jagielka who at times was playing 2 games a week at 40 years of age. A missed opportunity to see what Taylor could do at this level. We also missed out on developing DWP (went with Celina instead), and I feel we could have benefited from a transfer fee if we’d stuck with him - he’d looked promising at times. Similarly, dropping Tymon and not really utilising him in his proper role devalued him as an asset, at the back end of the previous season there had been talk of premier league interest.

We’ve got to do better, the club has got to be sustainable longer term. Granted we’ve seen Ricky Martin with his MBA speak regarding the recruitment strategy, and have seen a few young players come in this season who could generate a profit. But we have paid good money for those players already - I’d like to see our academy players developed over the next few years and I don’t think Neil is the man to do it.

[Foster]

Oct 3, 2023 14:58:40 GMT biddulphchav said:

Oct 2, 2023 21:33:17 GMT Gawa said:

Certainly a number of these new signings could rise in value and turn a profit. Vidigal especially!

I'll take your argument for Collins. But Souttar hadn't even played a league game for Stoke prior to MONs arrival. He was playing in league one on loan at the age of 21. Mon deserves alot of credit for his development. Joey Barton too to be fair. Joeys actually utilised a few stoke loanees very well tbf to him.

I’m not overly impressed with Neil when it comes to developing young players to be honest. I was pretty dissapointed to see Connor Taylor spend a year sitting on his arse off the back of a season in League 2 where we had been player of the year. Instead we persisted with Jagielka who at times was playing 2 games a week at 40 years of age. A missed opportunity to see what Taylor could do at this level. We also missed out on developing DWP (went with Celina instead), and I feel we could have benefited from a transfer fee if we’d stuck with him - he’d looked promising at times. Similarly, dropping Tymon and not really utilising him in his proper role devalued him as an asset, at the back end of the previous season there had been talk of premier league interest.

We’ve got to do better, the club has got to be sustainable longer term. Granted we’ve seen Ricky Martin with his MBA speak regarding the recruitment strategy, and have seen a few young players come in this season who could generate a profit. But we have paid good money for those players already - I’d like to see our academy players developed over the next few years and I don’t think Neil is the man to do it.

Don't you think that youth player development should be the responsibility of the youth development coaches we have and academy recruiters.

Yes, AN has the final say on them playing for the first team but they first need to be good enough.

If our academy and youth teams were tearing up the leagues then AN wouldn't get any credit for that, so why should he be held to account for not many of the same players breaking through the ranks?

I think 1 or 2 players per season coming through the ranks and establishing themselves in the first team is about as good as most teams can hope for.

[questionable]

Really hoping that AN has us fired up for tonight and we build from Saturday, if Jordan Thompson starts that’ll finish me off with him.

[baconburger]

Oct 3, 2023 13:55:37 GMT biglad180 said:

should we really be paying big money for Thomas-Asante he seems to score against us but he is not even in the leading scorers in the championship so far and i think he was benched saturday at west brom,lets not get carried away thinking he will get us a bucket full of goals because the lads not done it so far at west brom,

He’d do everything Wesley does plus is highly mobile and fairly pacy and would score a few that’s an upgrade. If he was scoring buckets full of goals he wouldn’t want to come to Stoke and we couldn’t afford him. Do you live in a parallel universe.

[Foster]

Oct 3, 2023 16:44:04 GMT questionable said:

Really hoping that AN has us fired up for tonight and we build from Saturday, if Jordan Thompson starts that’ll finish me off with him.

Each to their own I suppose.

[i1da]

As a kid, my dream job was to be a Football Manager.  Tens of Thousands of “experts” second-guessing your every thought, word and action!  Who wouldn’t want a job like that?  Overpaid prima-donna can’t manage to pass a ball back to the goalkeeper? It’s your fault!  Some porcelain wallflower would rather lay on the treatment table than earn their money? It’s your fault!  Some snotty nose brat can’t keep their nose out of the powder? It’s your fault!  Some ADHD bozo gets momentarily distracted and fails to mark their man properly? It’s your fault!

60 years later, it sounds like the job from hell.  You couldn’t pay me enough to persuade me to do it.

[baconburger]

Oct 3, 2023 16:02:59 GMT Foster said:

Oct 3, 2023 14:58:40 GMT biddulphchav said:

I’m not overly impressed with Neil when it comes to developing young players to be honest. I was pretty dissapointed to see Connor Taylor spend a year sitting on his arse off the back of a season in League 2 where we had been player of the year. Instead we persisted with Jagielka who at times was playing 2 games a week at 40 years of age. A missed opportunity to see what Taylor could do at this level. We also missed out on developing DWP (went with Celina instead), and I feel we could have benefited from a transfer fee if we’d stuck with him - he’d looked promising at times. Similarly, dropping Tymon and not really utilising him in his proper role devalued him as an asset, at the back end of the previous season there had been talk of premier league interest.

We’ve got to do better, the club has got to be sustainable longer term. Granted we’ve seen Ricky Martin with his MBA speak regarding the recruitment strategy, and have seen a few young players come in this season who could generate a profit. But we have paid good money for those players already - I’d like to see our academy players developed over the next few years and I don’t think Neil is the man to do it.

Don't you think that youth player development should be the responsibility of the youth development coaches we have and academy recruiters.

Yes, AN has the final say on them playing for the first team but they first need to be good enough.

If our academy and youth teams were tearing up the leagues then AN wouldn't get any credit for that, so why should he be held to account for not many of the same players breaking through the ranks?

I think 1 or 2 players per season coming through the ranks and establishing themselves in the first team is about as good as most teams can hope for.

He’s shown he’ll give them a go if he thinks they’re any good that’s all you can ask. He obviously didn’t fancy Taylor or DWP or indeed Tymon what is he supposed to do go against his own judgement. Personally I disagree with him on Tymon and think he’s made life unnecessarily difficult for himself but if he’d made his mind up he’d made his mind up no sense in keeping a player he didn’t want.

[Pugsley]

Oct 3, 2023 16:02:59 GMT Foster said:

Oct 3, 2023 14:58:40 GMT biddulphchav said:

I’m not overly impressed with Neil when it comes to developing young players to be honest. I was pretty dissapointed to see Connor Taylor spend a year sitting on his arse off the back of a season in League 2 where we had been player of the year. Instead we persisted with Jagielka who at times was playing 2 games a week at 40 years of age. A missed opportunity to see what Taylor could do at this level. We also missed out on developing DWP (went with Celina instead), and I feel we could have benefited from a transfer fee if we’d stuck with him - he’d looked promising at times. Similarly, dropping Tymon and not really utilising him in his proper role devalued him as an asset, at the back end of the previous season there had been talk of premier league interest.

We’ve got to do better, the club has got to be sustainable longer term. Granted we’ve seen Ricky Martin with his MBA speak regarding the recruitment strategy, and have seen a few young players come in this season who could generate a profit. But we have paid good money for those players already - I’d like to see our academy players developed over the next few years and I don’t think Neil is the man to do it.

Don't you think that youth player development should be the responsibility of the youth development coaches we have and academy recruiters.

Yes, AN has the final say on them playing for the first team but they first need to be good enough.

If our academy and youth teams were tearing up the leagues then AN wouldn't get any credit for that, so why should he be held to account for not many of the same players breaking through the ranks?

I think 1 or 2 players per season coming through the ranks and establishing themselves in the first team is about as good as most teams can hope for.

You're right, the manager shouldn't be responsible for the development of youth players.

What he should be doing though is to be open to younger players, and providing a pathway to the first team rather than actively looking to shut down the academy which we have seen before.  Looks like Neil is the former rather than the latter which is a good thing, obvs.

[satoshi]

Oct 3, 2023 17:21:45 GMT i1da said:

As a kid, my dream job was to be a Football Manager.  Tens of Thousands of “experts” second-guessing your every thought, word and action!  Who wouldn’t want a job like that?  Overpaid prima-donna can’t manage to pass a ball back to the goalkeeper? It’s your fault!  Some porcelain wallflower would rather lay on the treatment table than earn their money? It’s your fault!  Some snotty nose brat can’t keep their nose out of the powder? It’s your fault!  Some ADHD bozo gets momentarily distracted and fails to mark their man properly? It’s your fault!

60 years later, it sounds like the job from hell.  You couldn’t pay me enough to persuade me to do it.

What if they get paid so much for failing nowadays they hardly give a fuck either way 😎

[i1da]

Oct 3, 2023 17:27:55 GMT satoshi said:

Oct 3, 2023 17:21:45 GMT i1da said:

As a kid, my dream job was to be a Football Manager.  Tens of Thousands of “experts” second-guessing your every thought, word and action!  Who wouldn’t want a job like that?  Overpaid prima-donna can’t manage to pass a ball back to the goalkeeper? It’s your fault!  Some porcelain wallflower would rather lay on the treatment table than earn their money? It’s your fault!  Some snotty nose brat can’t keep their nose out of the powder? It’s your fault!  Some ADHD bozo gets momentarily distracted and fails to mark their man properly? It’s your fault!

60 years later, it sounds like the job from hell.  You couldn’t pay me enough to persuade me to do it.

What if they get paid so much for failing nowadays they hardly give a fuck either way 😎

Oh, I absolutely agree, but then you get into the “How money has ruined football” debate, which is definitely not AN’s fault.

[skip]

Oct 3, 2023 17:21:45 GMT i1da said:

Some ADHD bozo...

Bit harsh.

[satoshi]

Oct 3, 2023 17:32:32 GMT i1da said:

Oct 3, 2023 17:27:55 GMT satoshi said:

What if they get paid so much for failing nowadays they hardly give a fuck either way 😎

Oh, I absolutely agree, but then you get into the “How money has ruined football” debate, which is definitely not AN’s fault.

No it’s nowt personal it’s just a ruined system 😂

[Deleted]

He'll be under pressure again after the next couple of games.

[glpotter]

Got the team selection wrong again

[Deleted]

I think if he sets the midfield up better, gets them closer together and drops Laurent we'll be in business.

Unlucky tonight with the ref. But we really need to stop losing

[thornestein]

Oct 3, 2023 21:02:20 GMT @deleted said:

I think if he sets the midfield up better, gets them closer together and drops Laurent we'll be in business.

Unlucky tonight with the ref. But we really need to stop losing

Bae got come in instead of Johnson also

[stokieinlondon]

Oct 3, 2023 21:01:09 GMT glpotter said:

Got the team selection wrong again

Burger and Bae should start games.

Laurent and probably Hax to step aside

[retrostoke]

There’s a good side in there. Injuries are killing us but you can’t fault the effort tonight.
Missing a striker to make a difference but good ones are rare. Fully fit squad and a couple of additions in January and personally I think we will have something good to watch.

[Bojan Mackey]

In the eyes of “the family” that refereeing performance has effectively given him a bye for this game.

Doesn’t change that once again however it was another toothless showing, and the negligence of the defence has now been completely exposed.

He will not be our manager by the January window.

[scfcno1fan]

He just doesn’t help himself.

Bae and Burger should be starting.

Bae was bloody brilliant.

[emretezzy]

Oct 3, 2023 21:02:20 GMT @deleted said:

I think if he sets the midfield up better, gets them closer together and drops Laurent we'll be in business.

Unlucky tonight with the ref. But we really need to stop losing

Anyone enlighten me where he gets a diamond from?

Lack of width and it really put one particular FB under pressure.

4-3-3 putting balls into the box with a big striker and an 8 hitting the box late.

Neil's ego never fails to amaze.

Stop complicating football!

[Fred Merger]

Oct 3, 2023 21:07:31 GMT stokieinlondon said:

Oct 3, 2023 21:01:09 GMT glpotter said:

Got the team selection wrong again

Burger and Bae should start games.

Laurent and probably Hax to step aside

Laurent needs dropping like ASAP.

[Deleted]

Player effort and performance alongside the referees will ultimately give Neil a reprieve tonight. The win at the weekend still fresh in the minds will have helped, too. The fact we’ve lost tonight and we aren’t baying for blood in unison shows that we’ve seen…something…tonight. Let’s see if it continues into the weekend.