Alex Neil

[a]

Oct 1, 2023 20:07:05 GMT crouchpotato1 said:

Oct 1, 2023 20:02:15 GMT a said:

Bojan Mackey yesterday:

“I’m actually glad about this.

I want Neil gone.”

Pretty sure it was him calling Neil a cunt too unless im mistaken.

Thats one mate quickly followed by another one,then the disappearing act of a few who’ll no doubt suddenly appear again when a defeat follows

That and calling him a cunt more than once isn’t on. Strange that those who run the board allow it to be honest.

[crouchpotato1]

Oct 1, 2023 20:09:39 GMT a said:

Oct 1, 2023 20:07:05 GMT crouchpotato1 said:

Thats one mate quickly followed by another one,then the disappearing act of a few who’ll no doubt suddenly appear again when a defeat follows

That and calling him a cunt more than once isn’t on. Strange that those who run the board allow it to be honest.

He did exactly the same with Michael O’Neill

[Gary Hackett]

Oct 1, 2023 20:10:36 GMT crouchpotato1 said:

Oct 1, 2023 20:09:39 GMT a said:

That and calling him a cunt more than once isn’t on. Strange that those who run the board allow it to be honest.

He did exactly the same with Michael O’Neill

MoN was definitely not a cunt 😆

[flea79]

Oct 1, 2023 20:09:39 GMT a said:

Oct 1, 2023 20:07:05 GMT crouchpotato1 said:

Thats one mate quickly followed by another one,then the disappearing act of a few who’ll no doubt suddenly appear again when a defeat follows

That and calling him a cunt more than once isn’t on. Strange that those who run the board allow it to be honest.

I have been banned twice for that word!

Justice for flea79!!!!

[thornestein]

Oct 1, 2023 20:13:49 GMT flea79 said:

Oct 1, 2023 20:09:39 GMT a said:

That and calling him a cunt more than once isn’t on. Strange that those who run the board allow it to be honest.

I have been banned twice for that word!

Justice for flea79!!!!

yet there’s some (happy clappers) who get away with abusing fellow fans week in week out 🤷‍♂️

[Laughing Gravy]

Oct 1, 2023 20:07:05 GMT crouchpotato1 said:

Oct 1, 2023 20:02:15 GMT a said:

Bojan Mackey yesterday:

“I’m actually glad about this.

I want Neil gone.”

Pretty sure it was him calling Neil a cunt too unless im mistaken.

Thats one mate quickly followed by another one,then the disappearing act of a few who’ll no doubt suddenly appear again when a defeat follows

His first post was liked by 3 others.
Shortly after the second goal he also posted "Come on make it 5.This clown needs to go TONIGHT."
Which was liked by 6 different posters.
I'd say that's around 10 posters who were advocating we lost yesterday in order to get rid of Neil.

[crouchpotato1]

Oct 1, 2023 20:18:58 GMT Laughing Gravy said:

Oct 1, 2023 20:07:05 GMT crouchpotato1 said:

Thats one mate quickly followed by another one,then the disappearing act of a few who’ll no doubt suddenly appear again when a defeat follows

His first post was liked by 3 others.
Shortly after the second goal he also posted "Come on make it 5.This clown needs to go TONIGHT."
Which was liked by 6 different posters.
I'd say that's around 10 posters who were advocating we lost yesterday in order to get rid of Neil.

That can’t be right can it from what I’ve been told by a few tonight😊👍

[terryconroysmagic]

Oct 1, 2023 20:13:49 GMT flea79 said:

Oct 1, 2023 20:09:39 GMT a said:

That and calling him a cunt more than once isn’t on. Strange that those who run the board allow it to be honest.

I have been banned twice for that word!

Justice for flea79!!!!

Shut up you whining c*#t 😆🙈

[Bojan Mackey]

Oct 1, 2023 20:09:39 GMT a said:

Oct 1, 2023 20:07:05 GMT crouchpotato1 said:

Thats one mate quickly followed by another one,then the disappearing act of a few who’ll no doubt suddenly appear again when a defeat follows

That and calling him a cunt more than once isn’t on. Strange that those who run the board allow it to be honest.

They didn’t, I had a week on the naughty step you’ll be pleased to know.

I stand by it, I want what is best for this football club and that best as it stands does not contain Alex Neil.

I’d rather stand firm with my own opinion than bleating about other posters.

I’m also still here as well after we’ve won, so there’s another bollocks argument thrown in the bin.

[a]

Oct 1, 2023 21:14:07 GMT Bojan Mackey said:

Oct 1, 2023 20:09:39 GMT a said:

That and calling him a cunt more than once isn’t on. Strange that those who run the board allow it to be honest.

They didn’t, I had a week on the naughty step you’ll be pleased to know.

I stand by it, I want what is best for this football club and that best as it stands does not contain Alex Neil.

I’d rather stand firm with my own opinion than bleating about other posters.

I’m also still here as well after we’ve won, so there’s another bollocks argument thrown in the bin.

As you should have. Not my taste calling people cunts on an internet message board but each to their own.

[biddulphchav]

Despite the result yesterday, he’s still walking a tightrope. If I’m being honest, I think we were fortunate to win that game, but I hope it’s the catalyst for the team to start to believe in each other and to get things together. However, I don’t believe it will be, mainly because the problems that were evident in the first few games of the season haven’t been suddenly erased. We are still extremely shaky at the back, which I see as the biggest issue - and we lack a 15 or even 10 goal a season striker. Simply, we won’t score enough goals and we’ll concede quite a few.

I don’t want AN to fail, I just think (based on what I’ve seen) that he will. A single win won’t change the fact that he’s been consistently shit (worse record than Nathan Jones), so for now this is nothing more than a false dawn. If we turn in decent performances against Southampton and Leicester it may be a bit more credible to think we are starting to click. He has some way to go to improve on what is a shocking record as Stoke manager.

[peterthornesboots]

Oct 2, 2023 15:17:35 GMT biddulphchav said:

Despite the result yesterday, he’s still walking a tightrope. If I’m being honest, I think we were fortunate to win that game, but I hope it’s the catalyst for the team to start to believe in each other and to get things together. However, I don’t believe it will be, mainly because the problems that were evident in the first few games of the season haven’t been suddenly erased. We are still extremely shaky at the back, which I see as the biggest issue - and we lack a 15 or even 10 goal a season striker. Simply, we won’t score enough goals and we’ll concede quite a few.

I don’t want AN to fail, I just think (based on what I’ve seen) that he will. A single win won’t change the fact that he’s been consistently shit (worse record than Nathan Jones), so for now this is nothing more than a false dawn. If we turn in decent performances against Southampton and Leicester it may be a bit more credible to think we are starting to click. He has some way to go to improve on what is a shocking record as Stoke manager.

Good post.

At 2-2 we were a Pearson block and a Travers save away from losing 3-2. Football is a funny old game!

The win will have bought AN some time, but he needs to use that time wisely.

[retrostoke]

Have the AN abusers on here come up with a realistic alternative yet.

Have we got a name.

[Laughing Gravy]

Oct 2, 2023 15:50:10 GMT retrostoke said:

Have the AN abusers on here come up with a realistic alternative yet.

Have we got a name.

TP

[delilahwhy]

Saturdays result could well be the turning point for AN. Hopefully a catalyst for much better things.

It could also mean fuck all in the grand scheme of things. 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

One things for sure, October is a tough month packed full of difficult fixtures.

We'll know a heck of a lot more in 4 weeks time.

[Gawa]

Saturdays result was good and I was quick to congratulate Alex.

Still think he's a miserable fucker. And I still think his record is absolutely shocking too considering the backing he's had.

Doesn't mean I want to lose.

The only people backed into a corner are those that have continued to make excuses for a manager that loses every other league game.

Criticising a manager with that record is normal. It's not being harsh are critical, it's calling a turd a turd.

Those suddenly showing up in the thread accusing others of backing themselves into a corner. Pot kettle black back at you.

[chigstoke]

Oct 2, 2023 17:25:39 GMT Gawa said:

Saturdays result was good and I was quick to congratulate Alex.

Still think he's a miserable fucker. And I still think his record is absolutely shocking too considering the backing he's had.

Doesn't mean I want to lose.

The only people backed into a corner are those that have continued to make excuses for a manager that loses every other league game.

Criticising a manager with that record is normal. It's not being harsh are critical, it's calling a turd a turd.

Those suddenly showing up in the thread accusing others of backing themselves into a corner. Pot kettle black back at you.

I just hope that we aren't having a Nathan Jones couple of weeks, when we beat Fulham 1-0 after(?) the Swansea match.

But wins against Southampton and Leicester would definitely be massive for us if we pull them off.

But If we can win one, lose one (probs Leicester) perhaps, I could probably take that, and come back after the international break looking much improved then fantastic.

It's up to Neil and the squad to prove the comeback on Saturday is a real turning point for the team, because his current record here is not pretty viewing at all in all honesty.

[wagsastokie]

Oct 2, 2023 15:50:10 GMT retrostoke said:

Have the AN abusers on here come up with a realistic alternative yet.

Have we got a name.

If your legs mangled
You don’t wait for a prosthetic before lopping it off

[stormin]

Oct 1, 2023 20:05:47 GMT a said:

Oct 1, 2023 20:04:37 GMT Gary Hackett said:

No, it was me that called him a miserable cunt, which he is.

Nah it wasn’t miserable cunt it was just cunt. Maybe it was both of you.

Short of being in a relegation situation there is no way the Coats will dismiss AN  this season, he has amassed an impressive number of new players and time will tell if he has the ability to get them firing on all cylinders. 

[sportsman]

I never mind a manager getting stuck and being criticized as long as he's got the majority of his main players available, or all obviously.

Hate someone being too harshly judged when half are on the treatment table especially in key positions which could have a massive difference to the way we set up and perform

I also thought understand that it's a results game and this is how it is whatever club you're at.

[baconburger]

Oct 2, 2023 17:25:39 GMT Gawa said:

Saturdays result was good and I was quick to congratulate Alex.

Still think he's a miserable fucker. And I still think his record is absolutely shocking too considering the backing he's had.

Doesn't mean I want to lose.

The only people backed into a corner are those that have continued to make excuses for a manager that loses every other league game.

Criticising a manager with that record is normal. It's not being harsh are critical, it's calling a turd a turd.

Those suddenly showing up in the thread accusing others of backing themselves into a corner. Pot kettle black back at you.

Fair comment apart from the backing. We’re £7.5M to £10M in the black on player trading during his tenure. We haven’t in any way shape or form pushed the boat out on investing in players. When you take a profit in the transfer market you don’t have any right to expect significant improvement. It’s been quite a while since we made a net investment on players. Isn’t this just how it’s going to be doing sensible business in the market and hoping to fluke out on a promotion challenge whilst we’re at it. You can almost see where the next profit will come from.

[Gawa]

Oct 2, 2023 18:42:09 GMT baconburger said:

Oct 2, 2023 17:25:39 GMT Gawa said:

Saturdays result was good and I was quick to congratulate Alex.

Still think he's a miserable fucker. And I still think his record is absolutely shocking too considering the backing he's had.

Doesn't mean I want to lose.

The only people backed into a corner are those that have continued to make excuses for a manager that loses every other league game.

Criticising a manager with that record is normal. It's not being harsh are critical, it's calling a turd a turd.

Those suddenly showing up in the thread accusing others of backing themselves into a corner. Pot kettle black back at you.

Fair comment apart from the backing. We’re £7.5M to £10M in the black on player trading during his tenure. We haven’t in any way shape or form pushed the boat out on investing in players. When you take a profit in the transfer market you don’t have any right to expect significant improvement. It’s been quite a while since we made a net investment on players. Isn’t this just how it’s going to be doing sensible business in the market and hoping to fluke out on a promotion challenge whilst we’re at it. You can almost see where the next profit will come from.

Compared to what we've been spending the last 3 seasons he's been backed so it's all relative. And I'd hazard a guess the wage bill has increased after season on season reductions.

You are right though that if you take Souttars sale from January that it changes the figures I bit.

My argument to that would be that the money he's gained from the transfers is very much through the previous managers hard work and I see it more as a gift/bonus for Alex.

I say that because:

- Both AN and MON went without Souttar. MON went alot more games without him at the end of his tenure due to the year long layoff. Souttar wasn't a 20 odd million pound cb when MON came in, he was a young prospect on loan at Fleetwood. When Alex inherited the transfer fee from MONs development of Souttar he didn't lose a player who had been a core player. He lost a player he never had.

- The Collins money was through a sell on clause which AN benefited from.

- The Jacob Brown money was through MONs development of him. It wasn't the performances at wing back under Alex and playing 4th fiddle to Delap/Campbell/Gayle that made Luton sign him to play up top.

- Tymon we probably would have actually got more money for if we sold him last summer when his stock was high. Another player who generated a fee which AN probably made lower.


Coming into that predicament is much better than coming in having spent 10s of millions on Tom Ince, Afobe, the wardrobe, Etebo etc.. And still having players like Wimmer and Allen on mad contracts.

I'm sorry if the above sounds harsh but it's not as if Alex has came in last season and developed or made any of the above players better. He didn't bring one of them into the squad and have them make standout performances all season and then sell them on. Very little of it can be attributed to Alex Neil. But yes he did benefit from it.

[baconburger]

Oct 2, 2023 19:42:10 GMT Gawa said:

Oct 2, 2023 18:42:09 GMT baconburger said:

Fair comment apart from the backing. We’re £7.5M to £10M in the black on player trading during his tenure. We haven’t in any way shape or form pushed the boat out on investing in players. When you take a profit in the transfer market you don’t have any right to expect significant improvement. It’s been quite a while since we made a net investment on players. Isn’t this just how it’s going to be doing sensible business in the market and hoping to fluke out on a promotion challenge whilst we’re at it. You can almost see where the next profit will come from.

Compared to what we've been spending the last 3 seasons he's been backed so it's all relative. And I'd hazard a guess the wage bill has increased after season on season reductions.

You are right though that if you take Souttars sale from January that it changes the figures I bit.

My argument to that would be that the money he's gained from the transfers is very much through the previous managers hard work and I see it more as a gift/bonus for Alex.

I say that because:

- Both AN and MON went without Souttar. MON went alot more games without him at the end of his tenure due to the year long layoff. Souttar wasn't a 20 odd million pound cb when MON came in, he was a young prospect on loan at Fleetwood. When Alex inherited the transfer fee from MONs development of Souttar he didn't lose a player who had been a core player. He lost a player he never had.

- The Collins money was through a sell on clause which AN benefited from.

- The Jacob Brown money was through MONs development of him. It wasn't the performances at wing back under Alex and playing 4th fiddle to Delap/Campbell/Gayle that made Luton sign him to play up top.

- Tymon we probably would have actually got more money for if we sold him last summer when his stock was high. Another player who generated a fee which AN probably made lower.


Coming into that predicament is much better than coming in having spent 10s of millions on Tom Ince, Afobe, the wardrobe, Etebo etc.. And still having players like Wimmer and Allen on mad contracts.

I'm sorry if the above sounds harsh but it's not as if Alex has came in last season and developed or made any of the above players better. He didn't bring one of them into the squad and have them make standout performances all season and then sell them on. Very little of it can be attributed to Alex Neil. But yes he did benefit from it.

No sorry it’s not working. The profit on Jacob Brown was MON’s gift to AN he had little influence in the development of the other two (Collins Souttar) and they were not signed on his watch. Certainly agree about Tymon although MON didn’t sign him he was worthless when he arrived and MON’s confidence in him made him into an asset than AN was a bit daft to dispense with. As I said I don’t think it’s that difficult to anticipate where the next profit will come from but I think a concerted promotion push would require real investment ie a significant net spend. We’ll see whether one ever materialises.

[Gawa]

Oct 2, 2023 21:15:18 GMT baconburger said:

Oct 2, 2023 19:42:10 GMT Gawa said:

Compared to what we've been spending the last 3 seasons he's been backed so it's all relative. And I'd hazard a guess the wage bill has increased after season on season reductions.

You are right though that if you take Souttars sale from January that it changes the figures I bit.

My argument to that would be that the money he's gained from the transfers is very much through the previous managers hard work and I see it more as a gift/bonus for Alex.

I say that because:

- Both AN and MON went without Souttar. MON went alot more games without him at the end of his tenure due to the year long layoff. Souttar wasn't a 20 odd million pound cb when MON came in, he was a young prospect on loan at Fleetwood. When Alex inherited the transfer fee from MONs development of Souttar he didn't lose a player who had been a core player. He lost a player he never had.

- The Collins money was through a sell on clause which AN benefited from.

- The Jacob Brown money was through MONs development of him. It wasn't the performances at wing back under Alex and playing 4th fiddle to Delap/Campbell/Gayle that made Luton sign him to play up top.

- Tymon we probably would have actually got more money for if we sold him last summer when his stock was high. Another player who generated a fee which AN probably made lower.


Coming into that predicament is much better than coming in having spent 10s of millions on Tom Ince, Afobe, the wardrobe, Etebo etc.. And still having players like Wimmer and Allen on mad contracts.

I'm sorry if the above sounds harsh but it's not as if Alex has came in last season and developed or made any of the above players better. He didn't bring one of them into the squad and have them make standout performances all season and then sell them on. Very little of it can be attributed to Alex Neil. But yes he did benefit from it.

No sorry it’s not working. The profit on Jacob Brown was MON’s gift to AN he had little influence in the development of the other two (Collins Souttar) and they were not signed on his watch. Certainly agree about Tymon although MON didn’t sign him he was worthless when he arrived and MON’s confidence in him made him into an asset than AN was a bit daft to dispense with. As I said I don’t think it’s that difficult to anticipate where the next profit will come from but I think a concerted promotion push would require real investment ie a significant net spend. We’ll see whether one ever materialises.

Certainly a number of these new signings could rise in value and turn a profit. Vidigal especially!

I'll take your argument for Collins. But Souttar hadn't even played a league game for Stoke prior to MONs arrival. He was playing in league one on loan at the age of 21. Mon deserves alot of credit for his development. Joey Barton too to be fair. Joeys actually utilised a few stoke loanees very well tbf to him.

[independent]

Oct 2, 2023 18:42:09 GMT baconburger said:

Oct 2, 2023 17:25:39 GMT Gawa said:

Saturdays result was good and I was quick to congratulate Alex.

Still think he's a miserable fucker. And I still think his record is absolutely shocking too considering the backing he's had.

Doesn't mean I want to lose.

The only people backed into a corner are those that have continued to make excuses for a manager that loses every other league game.

Criticising a manager with that record is normal. It's not being harsh are critical, it's calling a turd a turd.

Those suddenly showing up in the thread accusing others of backing themselves into a corner. Pot kettle black back at you.

Fair comment apart from the backing. We’re £7.5M to £10M in the black on player trading during his tenure. We haven’t in any way shape or form pushed the boat out on investing in players. When you take a profit in the transfer market you don’t have any right to expect significant improvement. It’s been quite a while since we made a net investment on players. Isn’t this just how it’s going to be doing sensible business in the market and hoping to fluke out on a promotion challenge whilst we’re at it. You can almost see where the next profit will come from.

I'm amazed how people can say that we are in the black on transfers. Any transfers that I saw, the fees were undisclosed. This could be because they were very cheap or very expensive. How does anyone know which is correct? 

[Foster]

Oct 2, 2023 22:55:09 GMT independent said:

Oct 2, 2023 18:42:09 GMT baconburger said:

Fair comment apart from the backing. We’re £7.5M to £10M in the black on player trading during his tenure. We haven’t in any way shape or form pushed the boat out on investing in players. When you take a profit in the transfer market you don’t have any right to expect significant improvement. It’s been quite a while since we made a net investment on players. Isn’t this just how it’s going to be doing sensible business in the market and hoping to fluke out on a promotion challenge whilst we’re at it. You can almost see where the next profit will come from.

I'm amazed how people can say that we are in the black on transfers. Any transfers that I saw, the fees were undisclosed. This could be because they were very cheap or very expensive. How does anyone know which is correct? 

This is probably about as decent a summary as you'll find. 3 of them don't have any fee stated.

www.transfermarkt.com/stoke-city/transfers/verein/512

Excluding Pearson and Gooch, I reckon most, if not all of those we've brought in will at least break even if we sell them. With Bae, Vidigal, Junior making a significant profit.

[baconburger]

Oct 2, 2023 22:55:09 GMT independent said:

Oct 2, 2023 18:42:09 GMT baconburger said:

Fair comment apart from the backing. We’re £7.5M to £10M in the black on player trading during his tenure. We haven’t in any way shape or form pushed the boat out on investing in players. When you take a profit in the transfer market you don’t have any right to expect significant improvement. It’s been quite a while since we made a net investment on players. Isn’t this just how it’s going to be doing sensible business in the market and hoping to fluke out on a promotion challenge whilst we’re at it. You can almost see where the next profit will come from.

I'm amazed how people can say that we are in the black on transfers. Any transfers that I saw, the fees were undisclosed. This could be because they were very cheap or very expensive. How does anyone know which is correct? 

Most transfers involving Stoke have been undisclosed for years we still end up knowing the value of the deal unless you refuse to accept it unless it’s written in blood. I’d have to ask is it that you haven’t read articles with the fees involved or whether you simply refuse to believe them. I don’t think we’ve signed or sold anyone where the fee hasn’t been established pretty quickly.

[baconburger]

Oct 3, 2023 4:54:18 GMT Foster said:

Oct 2, 2023 22:55:09 GMT independent said:

I'm amazed how people can say that we are in the black on transfers. Any transfers that I saw, the fees were undisclosed. This could be because they were very cheap or very expensive. How does anyone know which is correct? 

This is probably about as decent a summary as you'll find. 3 of them don't have any fee stated.

www.transfermarkt.com/stoke-city/transfers/verein/512

Excluding Pearson and Gooch, I reckon most, if not all of those we've brought in will at least break even if we sell them. With Bae, Vidigal, Junior making a significant profit.

I don’t think those figures are an accurate indication of what we’ve paid upfront. Add ons will only materialise if the deals are successful and work on both incoming and outgoing deals. We could get an extra £3M for Souttar for instance but it’s looking quite unlikely at this moment. The fee shown on that site for Mmaee is for instance double what I have read we paid upfront. The fee for Leris has been reported to be £750.000 up front. There are no figures for Gooch and Junior but they’ve been reported as £1M and £1.2 rising to £1.5 respectively. Unless you completely refuse to accept fees as reported by mainstream media there is no way on this Earth we’ve spent anywhere close to what we’ve bought in during AN’s tenure.

[lordb]

Oct 3, 2023 6:47:17 GMT baconburger said:

Oct 3, 2023 4:54:18 GMT Foster said:

This is probably about as decent a summary as you'll find. 3 of them don't have any fee stated.

www.transfermarkt.com/stoke-city/transfers/verein/512

Excluding Pearson and Gooch, I reckon most, if not all of those we've brought in will at least break even if we sell them. With Bae, Vidigal, Junior making a significant profit.

I don’t think those figures are an accurate indication of what we’ve paid upfront. Add ons will only materialise if the deals are successful and work on both incoming and outgoing deals. We could get an extra £3M for Souttar for instance but it’s looking quite unlikely at this moment. The fee shown on that site for Mmaee is for instance double what I have read we paid upfront. The fee for Leris has been reported to be £750.000 up front. There are no figures for Gooch and Junior but they’ve been reported as £1M and £1.2 rising to £1.5 respectively. Unless you completely refuse to accept fees as reported by mainstream media there is no way on this Earth we’ve spent anywhere close to what we’ve bought in during AN’s tenure.

Not 9n transfer fees but the money will have gone on agents fees, signing on fees and loan fees plus easing FFP issues last January
Hopefully there is some left in the pot for January however suspect it's not going to stretch too far, 1 cash transfer and one loan maybe
And maybe that will do

[baconburger]

Oct 3, 2023 7:41:48 GMT lordb said:

Oct 3, 2023 6:47:17 GMT baconburger said:

I don’t think those figures are an accurate indication of what we’ve paid upfront. Add ons will only materialise if the deals are successful and work on both incoming and outgoing deals. We could get an extra £3M for Souttar for instance but it’s looking quite unlikely at this moment. The fee shown on that site for Mmaee is for instance double what I have read we paid upfront. The fee for Leris has been reported to be £750.000 up front. There are no figures for Gooch and Junior but they’ve been reported as £1M and £1.2 rising to £1.5 respectively. Unless you completely refuse to accept fees as reported by mainstream media there is no way on this Earth we’ve spent anywhere close to what we’ve bought in during AN’s tenure.

Not 9n transfer fees but the money will have gone on agents fees, signing on fees and loan fees plus easing FFP issues last January
Hopefully there is some left in the pot for January however suspect it's not going to stretch too far, 1 cash transfer and one loan maybe
And maybe that will do

Again that doesn’t add up. You have info we made a bid for Lascells our bids for Thomas-Asante were public knowledge. The value of those deals would add up to a fair old wedge both in terms of fees and wages. I don’t see many of the incomings being on big wages, Wesley would be the big worry there. Just got to hope Villa paid a good proportion of what they were paying him to fuck him off, thankfully it’s only a 12 month deal and we can shed Gayles wages at the same time, should leave us in a good place to have another dabble either in January or more likely next summer. A decent central striker on loan with a view to a perm in January would be good but no idea about what the targets would be given the richness of the British market, it might have to be another punt.