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Alex Neil
Sept 2, 2023 17:21:17 GMT
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Post by peterthornesboots on Sept 2, 2023 17:21:17 GMT
The impression that I got at the Meet the Manager evening was that Dublin and Martin are very much part of a structure that will not change. I think that the phrase used by Coates to describe them was 'club appointments'. AN will carry the can for poor results. Dublin and Martin are here for the long haul. They would say that though wouldn’t they? Proof will be in the pudding. It was a question that was asked directly to Coates at the time. I cannot remember the exact answer, but it felt pretty clear to me that the structure behind the scenes is now set in stone. For what it is worth, I doubt that AN will come under much pressure unless results are awful. (Not that I agree with that). |
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Alex Neil
Sept 2, 2023 17:23:40 GMT
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Post by Gawa on Sept 2, 2023 17:23:40 GMT
I have to agree with you. While it's a poor league start, there have been some promising signs too such as the midweek victory. No point changing now, should be given an opportunity to try and blend the players in first and see how he gets on. It was Rotherham . Let's be realistic . The same as last season when 3 results were a blanket to throw over the rest The problem is last season I think MON would have done better with the players he signed than Alex Neil did. Now that the window is shut, if you make a change now you're effectively writing of the rest of the season 5 games in. I'm not particularly a fan myself but I don't think changing now with the window shut is the answer. Give him another 5 league games and see where we're at then. He could go out and beat Norwich away next week and we'd be in a much different place if so. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 2, 2023 17:24:12 GMT
Perhaps we could get the Vale manager , give him six weeks, and then go for Pep.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 2, 2023 17:24:37 GMT
I’d say Moyes has, used to be somewhat negative but when I watch West Ham these days they are a far more progressive team. Eddie Howe is another - Newcastle play a very different way to the way Bournemouth did when he was there. Steve Bruce was / is a good example too. Set up far more attacking sides when he was in the Championship (not including his West Brom stint) than the did in the Prem. Marco Silva - big difference in style and shape at Fulham after they went up. I’m sure there are other examples. Ian Holloway's Blackpool were a lot easier on the eye than most of the other sides he produced. I don't think he maintained that in his following jobs though? Yeah Holloway is one of the few examples I can think of too. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 2, 2023 17:24:50 GMT
I see the usual negative tools are out in force on this thread🙄Rome wasn’t built in a day and i actually think we’ll have a few more defeats in the coming weeks before he gets this team going.
4 home wins on the spin before today but how quickly that’s forgotten.Yes today was poor but thd first goal in our games is crucial but unfortunately a very disciplined TEAM got it and closed the game out very well.
Give the bloke time FFS
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 2, 2023 17:26:43 GMT
It was Rotherham . Let's be realistic . The same as last season when 3 results were a blanket to throw over the rest The problem is last season I think MON would have done better with the players he signed than Alex Neil did. Now that the window is shut, if you make a change now you're effectively writing of the rest of the season 5 games in. I'm not particularly a fan myself but I don't think changing now with the window shut is the answer. Give him another 5 league games and see where we're at then. He could go out and beat Norwich away next week and we'd be in a much different place if so. What basis is there for saying he’d have done better? He signed players totally unsuited for how he wanted to play? |
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Post by iglugluk on Sept 2, 2023 17:27:01 GMT
He's got an international break to solidify the team cohesion, I'm not entirely sure he should've needed it but he's got it, so he had best start producing some consistency. Knowing his best team would be a good start. 16th place after 5 games just isn't good enough and neither were last season's efforts. He's been backed.. now it's time to step up! FFS give him and the players time ffs Easy pal less of the ffs's.. I am by no means a big critic of his and have been more positive than negative about him during his time here.. fair enough if your happy with things, but I see definite room for improvement. He's got an international break to improve things as I said and I certainly am not pressing the panic button so early in the season. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2023 17:28:24 GMT
I see the usual negative tools are out in force on this thread🙄Rome wasn’t built in a day and i actually think we’ll have a few more defeats in the coming weeks before he gets this team going. 4 home wins on the spin before today but how quickly that’s forgotten.Yes today was poor but thd first goal in our games is crucial but unfortunately a very disciplined TEAM got it and closed the game out very well. Give the bloke time FFS People don't learn. I've had my own issues with Neil and I love a good moan up every now and then but if we haven't learned that changing managers just creates more issues than it solves at this club then people just can't be helped. Sure there comes a time when every manager needs to go but 5 games in with a full new squad just isn't it. People need to grow up and grow a pair. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 2, 2023 17:29:35 GMT
How about Sarina Wiegman with Big Ron Atkinson as assistant
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Alex Neil
Sept 2, 2023 17:30:53 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2023 17:30:53 GMT
I see the usual negative tools are out in force on this thread🙄Rome wasn’t built in a day and i actually think we’ll have a few more defeats in the coming weeks before he gets this team going. 4 home wins on the spin before today but how quickly that’s forgotten.Yes today was poor but thd first goal in our games is crucial but unfortunately a very disciplined TEAM got it and closed the game out very well. Give the bloke time FFS People don't learn. I've had my own issues with Neil and I love a good moan up every now and then but if we haven't learned that changing managers just creates more issues than it solves at this club then people just can't be helped. Sure there comes a time when every manager needs to go but 5 games in with a full new squad just isn't it. People need to grow up and grow a pair. Exactly - teams don’t gel within one game. This isn’t Football Manager or FIFA, I’m frequently reminded. |
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Post by satoshi on Sept 2, 2023 17:32:19 GMT
It’s upto them and the club. Either way, it’s difficult to argue that this approach is working. They’re irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Is it that difficult? We scored six goals in the week? There’s been some bad and some good, I’m amazed anyone was expecting anything else at this stage? The league does seem to be that difficult yes |
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Post by lancer on Sept 2, 2023 17:33:11 GMT
A competent manager would do well with this team Cost us against Millwall and this is a poor result A competent manager will also need time to form new players into a good team. Preston are a good team because they are a settled team, as are Millwall. It's my opinion that Stoke now have some of the best players in this division, the manager now needs time to turn his players into his team. |
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Alex Neil
Sept 2, 2023 17:34:06 GMT
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Post by vidigal7 on Sept 2, 2023 17:34:06 GMT
A competent manager would do well with this team Cost us against Millwall and this is a poor result A competent manager will also need time to form new players into a good team. Preston are a good team because they are a settled team, as are Millwall. It's my opinion that Stoke now have some of the best players in this division, the manager now needs time to turn his players into his team. We didn't even look like scoring a goal |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 2, 2023 17:35:00 GMT
Is it that difficult? We scored six goals in the week? There’s been some bad and some good, I’m amazed anyone was expecting anything else at this stage? The league does seem to be that difficult yes You’d think we were stone bottom without a point the way some are going on. |
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Alex Neil
Sept 2, 2023 17:35:09 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 2, 2023 17:35:09 GMT
It was Rotherham . Let's be realistic . The same as last season when 3 results were a blanket to throw over the rest The problem is last season I think MON would have done better with the players he signed than Alex Neil did. Now that the window is shut, if you make a change now you're effectively writing of the rest of the season 5 games in. I'm not particularly a fan myself but I don't think changing now with the window shut is the answer. Give him another 5 league games and see where we're at then. He could go out and beat Norwich away next week and we'd be in a much different place if so. I disagree with that. I think if we make a change now then we're still in it and by Xmas we'd be chucking it in as we simply won't be . |
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Alex Neil
Sept 2, 2023 17:35:49 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 2, 2023 17:35:49 GMT
A competent manager will also need time to form new players into a good team. Preston are a good team because they are a settled team, as are Millwall. It's my opinion that Stoke now have some of the best players in this division, the manager now needs time to turn his players into his team. We didn't even look like scoring a goal Neither did we at Ipswich and 70 mins v Millwall and we didn't in any |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 2, 2023 17:37:44 GMT
The problem is last season I think MON would have done better with the players he signed than Alex Neil did. Now that the window is shut, if you make a change now you're effectively writing of the rest of the season 5 games in. I'm not particularly a fan myself but I don't think changing now with the window shut is the answer. Give him another 5 league games and see where we're at then. He could go out and beat Norwich away next week and we'd be in a much different place if so. I disagree with that. I think if we make a change now then we're still in it and by Xmas we'd be chucking it in as we simply won't be . Make a change now🙄are you for fuckin real? |
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Post by vidigal7 on Sept 2, 2023 17:37:48 GMT
We didn't even look like scoring a goal Neither did we at Ipswich and 70 mins v Millwall and we didn't in any I know it'll take time to gel but I thought we'd slap them today. Gutted. Campbell for me plays on the right or in a 2 alongside Wesley or not at all he is not a left sided forward, annoyed at this |
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Post by iglugluk on Sept 2, 2023 17:38:30 GMT
A competent manager would do well with this team Cost us against Millwall and this is a poor result A competent manager will also need time to form new players into a good team. Preston are a good team because they are a settled team, as are Millwall. It's my opinion that Stoke now have some of the best players in this division, the manager now needs time to turn his players into his team. Absolutely but he cannot afford to take too much time, for obvious reasons. Once a lack of confidence is engendered ( and I'm not saying that's happening yet, by any means* ) it is very hard to turn that vehicle around. There is certainly reason for excitement after this summer's business and hopefully the squad and management can keep themselves positive and moving forward. * in case anyone here is misreading my time line |
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Alex Neil
Sept 2, 2023 17:39:02 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 2, 2023 17:39:02 GMT
Neither did we at Ipswich and 70 mins v Millwall and we didn't in any I know it'll take time to gel but I thought we'd slap them today. Gutted. Campbell for me plays on the right or in a 2 alongside Wesley or not at all he is not a left sided forward, annoyed at this To be fair the forwards are being starved if the ball the way we set up . |
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Post by satoshi on Sept 2, 2023 17:39:59 GMT
The league does seem to be that difficult yes You’d think we were stone bottom without a point the way some are going on. Where are we? |
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Alex Neil
Sept 2, 2023 17:40:27 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 2, 2023 17:40:27 GMT
I disagree with that. I think if we make a change now then we're still in it and by Xmas we'd be chucking it in as we simply won't be . Make a change now🙄are you for fuckin real? Ok let's let him continue with his appalling loss record in the last year. When did we make the change last season? |
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Post by chad on Sept 2, 2023 17:40:31 GMT
I see the usual negative tools are out in force on this thread🙄Rome wasn’t built in a day and i actually think we’ll have a few more defeats in the coming weeks before he gets this team going. 4 home wins on the spin before today but how quickly that’s forgotten.Yes today was poor but thd first goal in our games is crucial but unfortunately a very disciplined TEAM got it and closed the game out very well. Give the bloke time FFS Sensible post 👍 |
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Alex Neil
Sept 2, 2023 17:41:43 GMT
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Post by vidigal7 on Sept 2, 2023 17:41:43 GMT
I know it'll take time to gel but I thought we'd slap them today. Gutted. Campbell for me plays on the right or in a 2 alongside Wesley or not at all he is not a left sided forward, annoyed at this To be fair the forwards are being starved if the ball the way we set up . He had a sitter today and struck thin air, Wesley looks good as a link up man but for me he isn't a 12 yard box goalscorer. All this hope building up today, we're toothless without Vidigal. |
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Alex Neil
Sept 2, 2023 17:42:53 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 2, 2023 17:42:53 GMT
Make a change now🙄are you for fuckin real? Ok let's let him continue with his appalling loss record in the last year. When did we make the change last season? What a weapon you are🙄you’ve come back on the Oatcake after your meltdown and all those years of being a Stoke fan and your suggestion after all that’s gone off in the summer is for the manager to go 🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡🤡 |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 2, 2023 17:42:53 GMT
You’d think we were stone bottom without a point the way some are going on. Where are we? The table isn’t hard to find mate. Where do you think we should be, top with a 100% record? |
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Alex Neil
Sept 2, 2023 17:43:35 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 2, 2023 17:43:35 GMT
I see the usual negative tools are out in force on this thread🙄Rome wasn’t built in a day and i actually think we’ll have a few more defeats in the coming weeks before he gets this team going. 4 home wins on the spin before today but how quickly that’s forgotten.Yes today was poor but thd first goal in our games is crucial but unfortunately a very disciplined TEAM got it and closed the game out very well. Give the bloke time FFS Sensible post 👍 The third time in 5 games you mean that a team did exactly the same ? Maybe the negative tools aren't as blinkered as others who can't see what's in front of them |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 2, 2023 17:44:33 GMT
We need to be patient.
The next two weeks are really important in getting the players to know one and other on and off the pitch.
I’d be lying if I said I’m not concerned though……
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Post by satoshi on Sept 2, 2023 17:46:07 GMT
The table isn’t hard to find mate. Where do you think we should be, top with a 100% record? Like Preston? No mate happy where we are. Looking good. |
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Alex Neil
Sept 2, 2023 17:46:17 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 2, 2023 17:46:17 GMT
Ok let's let him continue with his appalling loss record in the last year. When did we make the change last season? What a weapon you are🙄you’ve come back on the Oatcake after your meltdown and all those years of being a Stoke fan and your suggestion after all that’s gone off in the summer is for the manager to go 🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡🤡 😁. Yep ..I'm the weapon backing a manager who has lost 60 percent of his 46 games and living in the clouds. Priceless 😁😁 Got it. Keep telling yourself that Mummy will kiss it all better and it will be ok Can't see what is happening |
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