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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 1, 2023 9:21:12 GMT
Game at a time isn't it at this stage but that international break gives us 2 weeks to nurse players closer to fitness Or appoint QSF  I'd rather stick with Alexis neilsson |
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Alex Neil
Oct 1, 2023 10:29:22 GMT
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Oct 1, 2023 10:29:22 GMT
Won one finally has he? He needs to build on this now, his brief history with us suggests he won’t but let’s see. For me his position remains just as precarious as it was before the game started, and that’s in the eyes of the powers that be not just myself, they will have been expecting a lot more than this. "I'm glad this is happening"... You can read, well done. This changes nothing. |
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Post by Scrotnig on Oct 1, 2023 11:32:02 GMT
I’m delighted we won but as things stand it changes very little and I still think, with great sadness, he’s going to have to go. His record here is shocking. One win (after initial appalling capitulation) doesn’t alter that.
If we go on and win the next few games I may feel differently. I genuinely hope that’s the case. I was excited for this window and really believed it would show signs of working but mostly there’s been the opposite.
Here’s hoping I have to eat humble pie in a few weeks when we’re chasing the top spots.
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Post by tqstokie on Oct 1, 2023 11:41:11 GMT
IMO he has got to start trusting the youngsters and sort out his best midfield. Lowe, Vidigal, Junho, Junior and Tezgel are all our players the near future and need to be played.
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Oct 1, 2023 11:54:07 GMT
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Post by nonameface on Oct 1, 2023 11:54:07 GMT
IMO he has got to start trusting the youngsters and sort out his best midfield. Lowe, Vidigal, Junho, Junior and Tezgel are all our players the near future and need to be played. Is this the reason we signed Wesley on a one year deal so as not to block Lowes and Tezgels future? Similar with Johnson and Junho? Maybe same with Junior and Hoever. Think Sidibe has been a surprise. |
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Post by sportsman on Oct 1, 2023 11:59:55 GMT
IMO he has got to start trusting the youngsters and sort out his best midfield. Lowe, Vidigal, Junho, Junior and Tezgel are all our players the near future and need to be played. I'd add a few words to the end of that sentence. Needs to be played.....at the right time. Ease players in. If they are playing a blinder, fine keep him in, but you can't just throw them all in and hope for the best. Fergie was the master at it. |
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Alex Neil
Oct 1, 2023 12:00:46 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2023 12:00:46 GMT
I also want him to do well.
He's been instrumental in bringing about change in the way the club is run and recruits players ,that has been needed for a long time.
He's said we can't carry on doing things in the same way if it is not working, let's make changes,and I applaud him for that .
He had 18/19/20 year olds lowe/junior/ junho on the pitch for a crunch match at Bristol city and I applaud him for that.
He's watched Delap / Gayle/ Ty and others he didn't sign , miss an astonishing amount of gilt edged clear cut chances.
But a Stoke defence, containing several new players but no idea how to defend corner kicks and set pieces in August, is still clueless as how to defend a set piece in October.
He can't be spending 2 months on the training ground, making no progress whatsoever in being able to defend set pieces, when he is playing 2 games a week in the championship.
Little wonder , he has lost a similar amount of games to Nathan Jones as Stoke boss ! A sacking offence in itself!
V Huddersfield, his defence lined up on the 18 yard line for a free kick 45 yards out! Madness! By the time a Stoke or Huddersfield player lands a head on it, the ball will have spent so long in the air, all the players are going to be somewhere between Stoke's penalty spot and six yard line and all facing Stoke's goal .
We could have lined up 35 yards out, we only have to be ten yards from the ball .
Really hope he can turn it around.
But it is going to require a transformation in our defensive play , for him to pull that off.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Oct 1, 2023 12:03:11 GMT
I’m delighted we won but as things stand it changes very little and I still think, with great sadness, he’s going to have to go. His record here is shocking. One win (after initial appalling capitulation) doesn’t alter that. If we go on and win the next few games I may feel differently. I genuinely hope that’s the case. I was excited for this window and really believed it would show signs of working but mostly there’s been the opposite. Here’s hoping I have to eat humble pie in a few weeks when we’re chasing the top spots. He needs to win the next two for me. |
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Oct 1, 2023 12:16:58 GMT
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Oct 1, 2023 12:16:58 GMT
I’m delighted we won but as things stand it changes very little and I still think, with great sadness, he’s going to have to go. His record here is shocking. One win (after initial appalling capitulation) doesn’t alter that. If we go on and win the next few games I may feel differently. I genuinely hope that’s the case. I was excited for this window and really believed it would show signs of working but mostly there’s been the opposite. Here’s hoping I have to eat humble pie in a few weeks when we’re chasing the top spots. He needs to win the next two for me. At. Least not lose them. |
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Post by lordb on Oct 1, 2023 12:43:20 GMT
He needs to win the next two for me. At. Least not lose them. Leicester away looks tough for any side Saints on Tuesday is a big game, Leicester isn't |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 1, 2023 12:45:59 GMT
I’m delighted we won but as things stand it changes very little and I still think, with great sadness, he’s going to have to go. His record here is shocking. One win (after initial appalling capitulation) doesn’t alter that. If we go on and win the next few games I may feel differently. I genuinely hope that’s the case. I was excited for this window and really believed it would show signs of working but mostly there’s been the opposite. Here’s hoping I have to eat humble pie in a few weeks when we’re chasing the top spots. He needs to win the next two for me. 😂😂Southampton h and Leicester away and you say he needs to win the next 2🤔I think most realistic fans would be happy with 3 points from the 2 games |
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Oct 1, 2023 12:46:22 GMT
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Post by thornestein on Oct 1, 2023 12:46:22 GMT
Leicester away looks tough for any side Saints on Tuesday is a big game, Leicester isn't just watching leicester now and i can’t see how we will stop them scoring with our defence |
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Oct 1, 2023 12:56:36 GMT
He needs to win the next two for me. 😂😂Southampton h and Leicester away and you say he needs to win the next 2🤔I think most realistic fans would be happy with 3 points from the 2 games Don’t care, he’s a shit manager and is in very much save your job territory still. Also I fully expect us to beat a Russell Martin side. |
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Oct 1, 2023 12:57:44 GMT
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Post by pavel on Oct 1, 2023 12:57:44 GMT
I’m reading very little into this win, Neil started with the wrong side, a team lacking mobility and energy and Laurent and Rose. That should be enough to consign him to the dustbin of history. Then he got lucky, Gooch got injured and he brought on Junior who had an immediate impact.
Neil then brought Lowe on after 65 minutes, so I’ll give him that and then he got lucky, Rose had to go off and he brought McNally on who was immeasurably better.
two late subs, who should have been on from the start got us over the line, so he gets a little credit there though it is well and truly wiped out by keeping the woeful Laurent on.
So the jury is still well and truly out, if he learns from yesterday I will give him credit, let’s wait and see and enjoy these unexpected 3 points.
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 1, 2023 12:59:20 GMT
Leicester away looks tough for any side Saints on Tuesday is a big game, Leicester isn't It's becoming clear that Leicester are the class of the division and will be very tough. They seem to score 4 every week so our fragile defence could be in for a torrid time. Other than that, it's typical Championship, anyone can win or lose to anyone. Great come back win yesterday but we need to stop giving away goals at an alarming rate. |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Oct 1, 2023 14:11:42 GMT
I do think that some posters have painted themselves into a corner way too soon. Even after yesterday, it’s “yeah, but…” like they are just waiting for the next thing to go wrong so they can get on his case again. A win on Tuesday and it’s a perfectly fine start to the season really. The problem is when you make up your minds so early you’re then too pig headed to just say “fair enough”. Enjoy a win and see where we are after Tuesday. Next Saturday will be a tough one but if we can go into it 6/6 points then you just never know.
Try and enjoy it. We aren’t going to get relegated and we might not win all the time, but I’m still confident these players are a fuckload better than anything we’ve had since relegation.
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Oct 1, 2023 14:13:40 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 1, 2023 14:13:40 GMT
I do think that some posters have painted themselves into a corner way too soon. Even after yesterday, it’s “yeah, but…” like they are just waiting for the next thing to go wrong so they can get on his case again. A win on Tuesday and it’s a perfectly fine start to the season really. The problem is when you make up your minds so early you’re then too pig headed to just say “fair enough”. Enjoy a win and see where we are after Tuesday. Next Saturday will be a tough one but if we can go into it 6/6 points then you just never know. Try and enjoy it. We aren’t going to get relegated and we might not win all the time, but I’m still confident these players are a fuckload better than anything we’ve had since relegation. Spot on mate and they also disappear strangely as well after wins |
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Oct 1, 2023 14:26:20 GMT
I do think that some posters have painted themselves into a corner way too soon. Even after yesterday, it’s “yeah, but…” like they are just waiting for the next thing to go wrong so they can get on his case again. A win on Tuesday and it’s a perfectly fine start to the season really. The problem is when you make up your minds so early you’re then too pig headed to just say “fair enough”. Enjoy a win and see where we are after Tuesday. Next Saturday will be a tough one but if we can go into it 6/6 points then you just never know. Try and enjoy it. We aren’t going to get relegated and we might not win all the time, but I’m still confident these players are a fuckload better than anything we’ve had since relegation. Spot on mate and they also disappear strangely as well after wins You really are quite sanctimonious at times. People are right to criticise the manager, he has been useless. Yesterday was a brilliant day and I hope we win again on Tuesday. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 1, 2023 14:27:41 GMT
I do think that some posters have painted themselves into a corner way too soon. Even after yesterday, it’s “yeah, but…” like they are just waiting for the next thing to go wrong so they can get on his case again. A win on Tuesday and it’s a perfectly fine start to the season really. The problem is when you make up your minds so early you’re then too pig headed to just say “fair enough”. Enjoy a win and see where we are after Tuesday. Next Saturday will be a tough one but if we can go into it 6/6 points then you just never know. Try and enjoy it. We aren’t going to get relegated and we might not win all the time, but I’m still confident these players are a fuckload better than anything we’ve had since relegation. Spot on mate and they also disappear strangely as well after wins I don’t see anyone disappearing because we fluked a win to be honest. Hopefully turning around a 2 goal deficit will be a turning point and not yet another false dawn. |
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Oct 1, 2023 14:32:29 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 1, 2023 14:32:29 GMT
Spot on mate and they also disappear strangely as well after wins I don’t see anyone disappearing because we fluked a win to be honest. Hopefully turning around a 2 goal deficit will be a turning point and not yet another false dawn. Youve not looked hard enough then mate |
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Oct 1, 2023 14:33:10 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 1, 2023 14:33:10 GMT
Spot on mate and they also disappear strangely as well after wins You really are quite sanctimonious at times. People are right to criticise the manager, he has been useless. Yesterday was a brilliant day and I hope we win again on Tuesday. You might but plenty on here don’t |
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Oct 1, 2023 14:38:01 GMT
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Post by thornestein on Oct 1, 2023 14:38:01 GMT
You really are quite sanctimonious at times. People are right to criticise the manager, he has been useless. Yesterday was a brilliant day and I hope we win again on Tuesday. You might but plenty on here don’t you really think some want us to lose , as much as i don’t think Neil is the right man for the job , i’d never want that and it makes my weekend when we win , especially last night in Burslem with all the sad Fail fuckwits 😁🤣 |
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Oct 1, 2023 14:38:52 GMT
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Post by robrigo on Oct 1, 2023 14:38:52 GMT
He’s simply got to sort that pitiful defence out. If he doesn’t he’ll be gone by Christmas if not before. And I hope he does sort it.
Great win yesterday. Fantastic. But continue defending like we are and he’ll be out of a job.
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Oct 1, 2023 14:40:04 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 1, 2023 14:40:04 GMT
You might but plenty on here don’t you really think some want us to lose , as much as i don’t think Neil is the right man for the job , i’d never want that and it makes my weekend when we win , especially last night in Burslem with all the sad Fail fuckwits 😁🤣 I most certainly do yes |
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Post by onepara on Oct 1, 2023 14:44:19 GMT
Spot on mate and they also disappear strangely as well after wins I don’t see anyone disappearing because we fluked a win to be honest. Hopefully turning around a 2 goal deficit will be a turning point and not yet another false dawn. Fluked a win. What a ridiculous comment. Some on here are only happy when we lose. You seem to be one of them! |
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Oct 1, 2023 14:52:02 GMT
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Post by thornestein on Oct 1, 2023 14:52:02 GMT
He’s simply got to sort that pitiful defence out. If he doesn’t he’ll be gone by Christmas if not before. And I hope he does sort it. Great win yesterday. Fantastic. But continue defending like we are and he’ll be out of a job. watching leicester today and they’ll have a field day against us unless the defence sorts themselves out |
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Oct 1, 2023 15:01:54 GMT
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Post by gingerninja on Oct 1, 2023 15:01:54 GMT
He simply has to get a string of results, one win in isolation isn't good enough.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Oct 1, 2023 15:04:50 GMT
He’s simply got to sort that pitiful defence out. If he doesn’t he’ll be gone by Christmas if not before. And I hope he does sort it. Great win yesterday. Fantastic. But continue defending like we are and he’ll be out of a job. watching leicester today and they’ll have a field day against us unless the defence sorts themselves out As they have against pretty much every side. If you’re waiting for Leicester to stick the boot in again then you must have something really against Neil. Chances are we will lose and the defence might look shit, but Leicester have made pretty much everyone look shit so far. Southampton is the game that shows where we are more, and even they look to have turned a corner. I fancy a result though, our tails will be up and they aren’t good defensively. |
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Post by thornestein on Oct 1, 2023 15:09:43 GMT
watching leicester today and they’ll have a field day against us unless the defence sorts themselves out As they have against pretty much every side. If you’re waiting for Leicester to stick the boot in again then you must have something really against Neil. Chances are we will lose and the defence might look shit, but Leicester have made pretty much everyone look shit so far. Southampton is the game that shows where we are more, and even they look to have turned a corner. I fancy a result though, our tails will be up and they aren’t good defensively. i’m certainly not waiting for them stick the boot in , i am worried our defence keep giving goals away , a point there would be a bonus |
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Oct 1, 2023 15:20:55 GMT
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Post by apb1 on Oct 1, 2023 15:20:55 GMT
I think a decent draw, with a good performance, v Soton, and a non-heavy defeat to Leicester, would be my minimum threshold for getting to the break as manager. The hope then would be that Stevens and a couple of forwards return to kick us on. I loved yesterday’s win but we are still in a mess and it’s his mess. But I don’t think anyone slating him wants him to fail. We all want Stoke to do well, and important to remember this.
PS he won’t be sacked even if we lose both I reckon.
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