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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 24, 2023 13:37:00 GMT
Am I right in saying that’s 8 league games and 4 of them we’ve had to change personnel/shape either before half time or at half time because we’ve been so far off it?
That’s not a competent manager I’m sorry…….
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Sept 24, 2023 13:37:09 GMT
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Post by flea79 on Sept 24, 2023 13:37:09 GMT
If I he not sacked by midday tomorrow it’s not going to happen, tweet notifications on for John Percy and stoke time
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Post by nonameface on Sept 24, 2023 13:37:38 GMT
He sounds a broken man in this sky interview. Is there a link to this anywhere? Considering how MON got shunted out for less, Neil must be close to being sacked.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Sept 24, 2023 13:38:17 GMT
When you're in the shit, you go back to basics and put round pegs in round holes, AN has done the complete opposite. Nobody who's truly in their right mind picks the side he did today and makes the awful substitutions he did. Thanks for saving me writing the same!
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Post by Clayton Wood on Sept 24, 2023 13:38:30 GMT
Am I right in saying that’s 8 league games and 4 of them we’ve had to change personnel/shape either before half time or at half time because we’ve been so far off it? That’s not a competent manager I’m sorry……. Sounds like you've joined the dark side. Must be getting bad!
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Sept 24, 2023 13:39:51 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 24, 2023 13:39:51 GMT
Me too but this hasn't worked since day 1 and getting worse. The longer we put it off, the harder it will get to pick this season up I refuse to defend him today. I think the board will stick with him a while but I think if he loses the next match as well then he's fair game. I think they will also but must be having a good think and going through whatever the equivalent of the Screwfix catalogue for managers is
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Post by barcaontrent on Sept 24, 2023 13:39:52 GMT
Neil out. We’ve had Atleast 10 embarrassing home performances like that under him and have gotten worse in the 12 months since he took charge. All the new players clearly have no idea how to play because there is no obvious system we are using. How can a manager be a year and a bit into a job and not have a recognisable style of play/setup? How many fucking times do we see a half decent team rock up and win at a canter at ours just by doing the basics right? Because we seemingly never get the basics right. Thought Hull were good today but the point is they didn’t need to be, they just needed to be ok. If you turn up and put a 6-7/10 performance in you are likely to get a win at the Bet365, that is totally unacceptable.
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Post by peepin on Sept 24, 2023 13:40:25 GMT
I don't think Martin is the decision-maker in that sense, is he? It'll come down to Coates. And, despite him being close to MON, he knifed him in the end I’d take MON, I’m sorry but we have got worse under Neil. MON had to try and balance the books and did so successfully. With MON you could see what we were trying to do and up until some dire winter runs we looked genuine play off contenders.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 24, 2023 13:40:58 GMT
Am I right in saying that’s 8 league games and 4 of them we’ve had to change personnel/shape either before half time or at half time because we’ve been so far off it? That’s not a competent manager I’m sorry……. Sounds like you've joined the dark side. Must be getting bad! I try and look at the bigger picture and I’m conscious that we have a lot of players to bed in. But how can they bed in when he can’t even keep any semblance of a settled team/formation? It’s management by numbers, and today was a big moment in his time here I fear………
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Sept 24, 2023 13:41:26 GMT
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Post by pavel on Sept 24, 2023 13:41:26 GMT
When you're in the shit, you go back to basics and put round pegs in round holes, AN has done the complete opposite. Nobody who's truly in their right mind picks the side he did today and makes the awful substitutions he did. I’ve been saying that for a while, he’s got previous doing it. Chatting at half time with my son talking about how long he can hang on I said I’d sack him at half time. Cruel and not possible but it would have put him out of his misery and saved him looking even more clueless in the 2nd half, which I didn’t think was possible.
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Sept 24, 2023 13:41:33 GMT
Having just heard that interview it's clear his days are numbered and he knows it.
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Post by DC1863 on Sept 24, 2023 13:41:45 GMT
Points per match of recent Stoke managers:
Gary Rowett - 1.34
Michael O'Neill - 1.39
Alex Neil - 1.23
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Sept 24, 2023 13:42:06 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 24, 2023 13:42:06 GMT
I don't think Martin is the decision-maker in that sense, is he? It'll come down to Coates. And, despite him being close to MON, he knifed him in the end I’d take MON, I’m sorry but we have got worse under Neil. MON had to try and balance the books and did so successfully. With MON you could see what we were trying to do and up until some dire winter runs we looked genuine play off contenders. He was very steady but never take us to that next step for me. Neil has undone more things than Ben Dover ever did
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2023 13:42:18 GMT
I think we might at least consider a foreign option now. It was John that wanted QSF. But there's always the danger you could end up with some chancer of the type that Sheff Weds normally end up with. Hoefkens would be nice.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2023 13:42:21 GMT
I think we must pay far too much to managers. Somehow any manager who has a competent reputation, is absolute gash here but decent before/after. There's the added bonus that, these days, failing at stoke probably doesn't harm your career as badly as failing anywhere else.
It's a bonkers suggestion but I'm so punch drunk from the last 5/6 years that I'm suspecting it might not be far off.
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Post by greenhoff on Sept 24, 2023 13:42:46 GMT
Neil out. We’ve had Atleast 10 embarrassing home performances like that under him and have gotten worse in the 12 months since he took charge. All the new players clearly have no idea how to play because there is no obvious system we are using. How can a manager be a year and a bit into a job and not have a recognisable style of play/setup? How many fucking times do we see a half decent team rock up and win at a canter at ours just by doing the basics right? Because we seemingly never get the basics right. Thought Hull were good today but the point is they didn’t need to be, they just needed to be ok. If you turn up and put a 6-7/10 performance in you are likely to get a win at the Bet365, that is totally unacceptable. 100% You don't have to play well to beat us. Hull were no more than competent. Same for Preston.
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Sept 24, 2023 13:43:05 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2023 13:43:05 GMT
I spent the whole of the second half picking a replacement manager. I came to with the following: Wayne Rooney Neil Warnock Steve Bruce Exciting times…… First time today I’ve genuinely thought he’s on borrowed time and things need to change sharpish. Think you can add Dean Smith as someone the Board would look at, as well. Maybe Wilder. Would go down like a lead balloon in many quarters (understandably) but I’d even have Scott bloody Parker here, that’s how annoyed I am atm. That will pass though, I’m sure.
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Post by stokie1947 on Sept 24, 2023 13:43:29 GMT
be amazed looking at the fixtures if he is still here end of October if he is we must be flying up the league
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 24, 2023 13:44:51 GMT
I think we might at least consider a foreign option now. It was John that wanted QSF. But there's always the danger you could end up with some chancer of the type that Sheff Weds normally end up with. Hoefkens would be nice. I thought about him. He got the Standard Liege job by the looks of it - they're apparently one of the struggling clubs owned by the chancers taking over at Everton. And they've started the season badly - one win in 8 and in the relegation zone.
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Alex Neil
Sept 24, 2023 13:46:00 GMT
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Post by samuel32 on Sept 24, 2023 13:46:00 GMT
The wit and wisdom of Neil.
On central midfielders...
'We only need to play one one. Then Laurent & Burger I'd like you two to push up and keep as far away as possible from the action. When we have the ball run away from it. When they have the ball act like you've been given a restraining order to stay at least 3 yards away at all times.'
On transfers...
'Central midfielders. Sign loads of them. Strikers, yes, but make sure they can't score. Defenders, sign less than we need and make sure they can't defend or pass, but they should definitely think they can pass, so they lose the ball reguarly.'
On training...
'New one for you here lads, but hear me out. Let's not! We're not going to play in any discernible way. Instead we'll just go out and hope for the best!'
On desire...
'Look as disinterested as possible please lads. Whatever you do, don't do anything which might make the crowd feel like you care. Only when we absolutely can't win the game should you try.'
'Right, got it? Now let's go and get relegated'
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Sept 24, 2023 13:47:08 GMT
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Post by robrigo on Sept 24, 2023 13:47:08 GMT
Having just heard that interview it's clear his days are numbered and he knows it. Didn’t hear the interview mate. Got a three year old and a four year old playing hairdressers with m whilst their mum is a work. What’s he say?
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 24, 2023 13:47:15 GMT
Wilder is maybe the stand-out realistic free agent British manager. And we know the Cotes family like him and he's been in the mix more than once before.
But his star has fallen quite a lot since then with his Boro and Watford spells.
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Post by itsmorethanagame on Sept 24, 2023 13:47:21 GMT
Feel very down after that.
I get the hunch with Neil that if it comes good, it would come really good. But the way things are going, it doesn’t look like it will ever get to that stage.
I don’t think Neil has any fans massively amongst the Stoke support anyway. There’s people have who have been wanting rid already, then there are others who have been saying we need to give it more time. But there’s not many who are massively behind him or anything.there’s not a huge amount of credit in the bank for him.
He won’t go yet but the pressure is now on. And think he was already feeling it before today. He sounded very down in his interview after the match. Next few games for him are going to be crucial.
I’m massively deflated.
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Sept 24, 2023 13:47:46 GMT
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Post by gingerninja on Sept 24, 2023 13:47:46 GMT
Don't forget Chris Wilder Is out of a job, Coates family love him and he's worked with Jarred Dublin and loves Enda Stevens 🤔
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Post by greenhoff on Sept 24, 2023 13:48:58 GMT
Feel very down after that. I get the hunch with Neil that if it comes good, it would come really good. But the way things are going, it doesn’t look like it will ever get to that stage. I don’t think Neil has any fans massively amongst the Stoke support anyway. There’s people have who have been wanting rid already, then there are others who have been saying we need to give it more time. But there’s not many who are massively behind him or anything.there’s not a huge amount of credit in the bank for him. He won’t go yet but the pressure is now on. And think he was already feeling it before today. He sounded very down in his interview after the match. Next few games for him are going to be crucial. I’m massively deflated. If he's not sacked pronto the club deserves all it gets. His record is dreadful.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Sept 24, 2023 13:49:11 GMT
Wilder is maybe the stand-out realistic free agent British manager. And we know the Cotes family like him and he's been in the mix more than once before. But his star has fallen quite a lot since then with his Boro and Watford spells. When you put up your 'next manager poll' the end is nigh. Is it time yet?
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Post by gawa on Sept 24, 2023 13:49:24 GMT
Points per match of recent Stoke managers: Gary Rowett - 1.34 Michael O'Neill - 1.39 Alex Neil - 1.23 That must be based on all games? If it's just league games this is how it currently sits for our championship managers. Manager | League Games Played | League Wins (%) | League Draws (%) | League Losses (%) | Goal Difference | PPG | ~ Income | ~ Expenditure | Net Spend | Gary Rowett | 26 | 8 (31%) | 11 (42%) | 7 (27%) | -1 | 1.35 | €30.15m | €51.45m | -€21.30m
| Nathan Jones | 34 | 5 (15%) | 13 (38%) | 16 (47%) | -18 | 0.82 | €1.28m | €18.15m | -€16.87m
| Michael O'Neill | 128 | 47 (37%) | 33 (26%) | 48 (37%) | +8 | 1.36 | €18.03m | €6.85m | +€11.18m
| Alex Neil | 48 | 14 (29%) | 11 (23%) | 23 (48%) | -1 | 1.10 | €22.45m | £14.40m | +€8.05m
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Sept 24, 2023 13:49:38 GMT
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Post by bigvern on Sept 24, 2023 13:49:38 GMT
He's a gonner.
Is just a question who pushes the button 1st, Coates or the supporters.
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Alex Neil
Sept 24, 2023 13:50:00 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 24, 2023 13:50:00 GMT
Don't forget Chris Wilder Is out of a job, Coates family love him and he's worked with Jarred Dublin and loves Enda Stevens 🤔 I would take Matthew Wilder at the minute
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Alex Neil
Sept 24, 2023 13:50:36 GMT
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Post by flea79 on Sept 24, 2023 13:50:36 GMT
Wilder is maybe the stand-out realistic free agent British manager. And we know the Cotes family like him and he's been in the mix more than once before. But his star has fallen quite a lot since then with his Boro and Watford spells. Just based on the foreign recruitment I could see an unknown foreign guy coming in if they do pull the lever
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