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Post by franklin on Sept 21, 2023 9:42:07 GMT
You'll have nobody left to talk too using the "they're miserable" excuse š Haha that's fine, an empty room is better than a toxic one. It goes beyond miserable though doesn't it. When you read other clubs forums (and I do) you don't see the hysterical over reactions you do on this one, it's extremely strange I couldn't say I don't frequent other places but it'll all part of the charm of the Oatcake š I found acceptance and a pinch of salt helps although I do love a moan myself.
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Post by biddulphchav on Sept 21, 2023 9:43:37 GMT
He came in and was useless. Improved none of the current players. The football got worse. And there was no plan. The squad was shit but a good manager gets a tune out of them irrespective. Thereās absolutely nothing there from him to suggest heās got the first clue about what heās doing. Heās been such a let down. The football didnāt get worse, but it was largely a continuation of the bad performances we witnessed under MON. Then there was the purple patch, too brief for sure but thatās the indication that he does have a clue what heās doing and the players couldnāt maintain it. I expected more than we got from him last season but think it ultimately sits with just how bad that squad was. I donāt think many managers would have got a consistent, decent tune out of that shitshow. So the purple patch was because of AN but the fact it was only a patch is because the players couldnāt sustain it? Is that right, Mrs Neil?
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Sept 21, 2023 10:20:28 GMT
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Post by Biblical on Sept 21, 2023 10:20:28 GMT
The football didnāt get worse, but it was largely a continuation of the bad performances we witnessed under MON. Then there was the purple patch, too brief for sure but thatās the indication that he does have a clue what heās doing and the players couldnāt maintain it. I expected more than we got from him last season but think it ultimately sits with just how bad that squad was. I donāt think many managers would have got a consistent, decent tune out of that shitshow. So the purple patch was because of AN but the fact it was only a patch is because the players couldnāt sustain it? Is that right, Mrs Neil? Yeah I think so. During the purple patch we were playing pretty much the way Neil described he wants us to play, a front-foot high pressing game. Before and after the purple patch we were not playing in the manner that Neil described he wants us to play. Some players like Laurent were actually really good during the purple patch but for whatever reason could not maintain those levels of performances.
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Sept 21, 2023 10:32:17 GMT
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Post by Biblical on Sept 21, 2023 10:32:17 GMT
Campbell hasnāt massively regressed at all, itās the same old Campbell who has flattered to deceive throughout his time here. Whilst we havenāt scored that many we look miles better going forward and to say that we havenāt looked like scoring when we actually scored 2 goals last night, and should have scored more, just isnāt true. You mean our top scorer last season Yeah. Top scorer with 9 goals isnāt great is it, heās capable of getting more than that but he often flatters to deceive.
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Sept 21, 2023 11:11:51 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2023 11:11:51 GMT
I have always just used Dr Pepper, works every time. Never quite understood that. Listen, I don't know HOW it works, it just does!! š
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 21, 2023 11:58:04 GMT
Itās horrible to say but we recalled missed Jacob brown last night , 9 wasnāt his best role but infinitely better than what we are fielding now in that role and freed up Campbell only good thing is itās forcing 3 cents halves which is the inky way we get to 50 points 4 points already from that system
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Sept 21, 2023 12:26:33 GMT
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Post by questionable on Sept 21, 2023 12:26:33 GMT
āYou donāt know what youāre doingā fits this guy down to ground.
The substitutions of Gayle and Wesley looked like something from the Keystone Cops chaotically charging around, AN is in serious trouble with this shit show on display
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 21, 2023 12:54:08 GMT
Last night's display was like the Sunderland & Coventry games last season,apart from not scoring enough goals,if they had put those chances away last night,AN will be getting all the praises under the Sun,seeing all the shit he was getting about the team picked to start.
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Sept 21, 2023 19:57:09 GMT
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Post by sealion100 on Sept 21, 2023 19:57:09 GMT
For me bringing Wes and Gayle on last night , has a lot to do with the manager feeling the pressure of poor results and to some extent poor performances (though not last night ) Gayle for me is finished at this level and Wes doesnāt offer the movement up front our build-up play deservesā¦. But they both have experience and Neil is getting desperate for results In a perfect world the manager would , Iām sure play Loweā¦ Trezgal, (when fit) and Sol sidebe, after all these lads are the future of our club not players like Gayle (age) or Campbell (contract), however despite what he says in the media Iām sure heās feeling the pressure thatās why Thompson is nailed on to play Sunday in place of Pearson .
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 21, 2023 21:48:39 GMT
For me bringing Wes and Gayle on last night , has a lot to do with the manager feeling the pressure of poor results and to some extent poor performances (though not last night ) Gayle for me is finished at this level and Wes doesnāt offer the movement up front our build-up play deservesā¦. But they both have experience and Neil is getting desperate for results In a perfect world the manager would , Iām sure play Loweā¦ Trezgal, (when fit) and Sol sidebe, after all these lads are the future of our club not players like Gayle (age) or Campbell (contract), however despite what he says in the media Iām sure heās feeling the pressure thatās why Thompson is nailed on to play Sunday in place of Pearson . I think your point about Lowe amd Trezgal when fit is s[ot on , the other two are not going to be here next year ahd add nothing this so we might as well give them a go now albeit when Vidigal and mmaee are fit we have 4 forwards to choose from albeit in the wrong balance courtesy of Jaredās wonky computer
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Sept 21, 2023 22:12:46 GMT
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 21, 2023 22:12:46 GMT
For me bringing Wes and Gayle on last night , has a lot to do with the manager feeling the pressure of poor results and to some extent poor performances (though not last night ) Gayle for me is finished at this level and Wes doesnāt offer the movement up front our build-up play deservesā¦. But they both have experience and Neil is getting desperate for results In a perfect world the manager would , Iām sure play Loweā¦ Trezgal, (when fit) and Sol sidebe, after all these lads are the future of our club not players like Gayle (age) or Campbell (contract), however despite what he says in the media Iām sure heās feeling the pressure thatās why Thompson is nailed on to play Sunday in place of Pearson . This is what worries me, why not bring Lowe on, do you think Pulis or Macari would have given a toss? They would do what they thought needed to be done to get a result. This is his team in every aspect, he has to show what it takes to sort things out.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 21, 2023 22:18:33 GMT
Gayle should genuinely never play for us again.
Only a complete fool uses him this season.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 22, 2023 5:54:07 GMT
For me bringing Wes and Gayle on last night , has a lot to do with the manager feeling the pressure of poor results and to some extent poor performances (though not last night ) Gayle for me is finished at this level and Wes doesnāt offer the movement up front our build-up play deservesā¦. But they both have experience and Neil is getting desperate for results In a perfect world the manager would , Iām sure play Loweā¦ Trezgal, (when fit) and Sol sidebe, after all these lads are the future of our club not players like Gayle (age) or Campbell (contract), however despite what he says in the media Iām sure heās feeling the pressure thatās why Thompson is nailed on to play Sunday in place of Pearson . This is what worries me, why not bring Lowe on, do you think Pulis or Macari would have given a toss? They would do what they thought needed to be done to get a result. This is his team in every aspect, he has to show what it takes to sort things out. Are you suggesting Pulis would've thrown on a young striker when we needed a result at the expense of an ageing donkey? The bloke who signed Michael Ricketts?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 22, 2023 6:28:57 GMT
Lowe is merely a warm body on the bench.
Unless weāre 4-0 with 5 minutes left heās not getting any game times itās as simple as thatā¦..
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 22, 2023 6:40:25 GMT
Lowe is merely a warm body on the bench. Unless weāre 4-0 with 5 minutes left heās not getting any game times itās as simple as thatā¦.. Heās still absolutely more useful than Gayle though. Itās ridiculous to use him.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Sept 22, 2023 7:48:56 GMT
This is what worries me, why not bring Lowe on, do you think Pulis or Macari would have given a toss? They would do what they thought needed to be done to get a result. This is his team in every aspect, he has to show what it takes to sort things out. Are you suggesting Pulis would've thrown on a young striker when we needed a result at the expense of an ageing donkey? The bloke who signed Michael Ricketts? Pulis had many qualities and characteristics. Throwing on young academy players to try and change games was not one of them. š
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Post by peterthornesboots on Sept 22, 2023 7:54:22 GMT
Whatās his record over the full season? Canāt be very good. Feel like thereās not much point changing manager. Nevertheless itās a huge few weeks for him. This is where I think I am at. I was never keen on his appointment, but accepted that he needed time despite results being pretty dire. However, he has been backed this summer and has been able to build his own team. He really needs to perform. I cannot see us replacing him anytime soon though. I think that we are fully invested in AN - we are strapped in and will see it through for better or worse. Strangely enough, the performances against Norwich and Huddersfield have actually given me a little bit of hope. I want AN (like any other Stoke manager) to succeed, but this is a results business and he needs to start delivering.
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Sept 22, 2023 8:07:38 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 22, 2023 8:07:38 GMT
This is what worries me, why not bring Lowe on, do you think Pulis or Macari would have given a toss? They would do what they thought needed to be done to get a result. This is his team in every aspect, he has to show what it takes to sort things out. Are you suggesting Pulis would've thrown on a young striker when we needed a result at the expense of an ageing donkey? The bloke who signed Michael Ricketts? As we seen so often, these younger player so many on here were screaming for have drifted down the football ladder to obscurity in most cases.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 22, 2023 8:58:46 GMT
Are you suggesting Pulis would've thrown on a young striker when we needed a result at the expense of an ageing donkey? The bloke who signed Michael Ricketts? As we seen so often, these younger player so many on here were screaming for have drifted down the football ladder to obscurity in most cases. I don't disagree. Just funny to me that some are now rewriting the pragmatist's pragmatist as someone who'd roll the dice on a young player in the dying moments of a tight game.
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Sept 22, 2023 9:15:30 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 22, 2023 9:15:30 GMT
As we seen so often, these younger player so many on here were screaming for have drifted down the football ladder to obscurity in most cases. I don't disagree. Just funny to me that some are now rewriting the pragmatist's pragmatist as someone who'd roll the dice on a young player in the dying moments of a tight game. Rarely works out. In fact the experienced head the better option more often than not. Let's be honest, Pulis got lots of things right, more than the last few, although his style and decisions didn't suit all. We've been through this...give Shenton etc a go too many times and the bottom line is they simply weren't good enough and doesn't work like that.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 22, 2023 9:17:25 GMT
I don't disagree. Just funny to me that some are now rewriting the pragmatist's pragmatist as someone who'd roll the dice on a young player in the dying moments of a tight game. Rarely works out. In fact the experienced head the better option more often than not. Let's be honest, Pulis got lots of things right, more than the last few, although his style and decisions didn't suit all. We've been through this...give Shenton etc a go too many times and the bottom line is they simply weren't good enough and doesn't work like that. Yeah, wasn't criticising Pulis at all really, just the rose-tinted idea that he'd have done it differently. Wesley is a Pulis-type centre forward all day long, for better or for worse.
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Sept 22, 2023 9:22:23 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 22, 2023 9:22:23 GMT
Rarely works out. In fact the experienced head the better option more often than not. Let's be honest, Pulis got lots of things right, more than the last few, although his style and decisions didn't suit all. We've been through this...give Shenton etc a go too many times and the bottom line is they simply weren't good enough and doesn't work like that. Yeah, wasn't criticising Pulis at all really, just the rose-tinted idea that he'd have done it differently. Wesley is a Pulis-type centre forward all day long, for better or for worse. For sure but would have seen far more of the ball under Pulis
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 22, 2023 9:25:54 GMT
Yeah, wasn't criticising Pulis at all really, just the rose-tinted idea that he'd have done it differently. Wesley is a Pulis-type centre forward all day long, for better or for worse. For sure but would have seen far more of the ball under Pulis At home yes. Away possibly not. Depends what era we're talking as well.
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Sept 22, 2023 9:29:58 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 22, 2023 9:29:58 GMT
For sure but would have seen far more of the ball under Pulis At home yes. Away possibly not. Depends what era we're talking as well. Felt sorry for Wesley a bit. Totally isolated in games, especially away, simply down to the way we play. Not much he can do. Were glimpses at Ipswich the odd time we pressed them and our few moments came through him.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 22, 2023 9:40:17 GMT
At home yes. Away possibly not. Depends what era we're talking as well. Felt sorry for Wesley a bit. Totally isolated in games, especially away, simply down to the way we play. Not much he can do. Were glimpses at Ipswich the odd time we pressed them and our few moments came through him. Certainly wouldn't write him off yet as some have.
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Sept 22, 2023 9:43:20 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 22, 2023 9:43:20 GMT
Felt sorry for Wesley a bit. Totally isolated in games, especially away, simply down to the way we play. Not much he can do. Were glimpses at Ipswich the odd time we pressed them and our few moments came through him. Certainly wouldn't write him off yet as some have. It at all. The fact we failed to score and make keepers work in away games was in no way down to him. He's never going to bag a rake of goals but the player Neil was complaining last year we didn't have in the squad
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Post by thornestein on Sept 22, 2023 10:23:28 GMT
This is what worries me, why not bring Lowe on, do you think Pulis or Macari would have given a toss? They would do what they thought needed to be done to get a result. This is his team in every aspect, he has to show what it takes to sort things out. Are you suggesting Pulis would've thrown on a young striker when we needed a result at the expense of an ageing donkey? The bloke who signed Michael Ricketts? pulis the guy who hated money going to the academy
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Sept 22, 2023 10:34:21 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 22, 2023 10:34:21 GMT
Are you suggesting Pulis would've thrown on a young striker when we needed a result at the expense of an ageing donkey? The bloke who signed Michael Ricketts? pulis the guy who hated money going to the academy Not really worked to be fair in all those years.
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Sept 22, 2023 10:40:47 GMT
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Post by thornestein on Sept 22, 2023 10:40:47 GMT
pulis the guy who hated money going to the academy Not really worked to be fair in all those years. not many recoup the money spent on them tbf
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Sept 22, 2023 11:32:25 GMT
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Post by thestatusquo on Sept 22, 2023 11:32:25 GMT
Are you suggesting Pulis would've thrown on a young striker when we needed a result at the expense of an ageing donkey? The bloke who signed Michael Ricketts? pulis the guy who hated money going to the academy Yep I remember the āfront of house ā interview
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