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Post by wilcopotter on Sept 21, 2023 7:17:59 GMT
Neil is a good manager regardless of what these toxic fools that disguise themselves as supporters say on here. Stoke fans are crap supporters Why don't the theives of joy f off and 'follow' somebody else Stoke fans want success. Even moderate success, which relative to where we have been, might be top 8 this season. As it stands, we're showing some bad habits. And we're 19th, with a tough run of games coming up. And the whole new squad isn't gelling. And some if our players are not good enough. And the manager's flip-flopping each week. All of those are facts. The team aren’t gelling🤔. They’ve been together less than a month, an international break in between and the 2 new forwards have got injured. Only real clanger so far is not sorting the defence out. That said, Neal has already said he didn’t get all his targets, this could’ve been the defender(s) he was after. Yes, we have to get better but some of the sack him / fraud views on here are ridiculous imo. He has a good track record of managing at this level and we’ve brought in 17 players with virtually no pre-season to assess them, this wii take time.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 21, 2023 7:19:34 GMT
Stoke fans want success. Even moderate success, which relative to where we have been, might be top 8 this season. As it stands, we're showing some bad habits. And we're 19th, with a tough run of games coming up. And the whole new squad isn't gelling. And some if our players are not good enough. And the manager's flip-flopping each week. All of those are facts. The team aren’t gelling🤔. They’ve been together less than a month, an international break in between and the 2 new forwards have got injured. Only real clanger so far is not sorting the defence out. That said, Neal has already said he didn’t get all his targets, this could’ve been the defender(s) he was after. Yes, we have to get better but some of the sack him / fraud views on here are ridiculous imo. He has a good track record of managing at this level and we’ve brought in 17 players with virtually no pre-season to assess them, this wii take time. Why will it take time? Why can other clubs and managers just change over night? He’s had 13 months of people defending him saying things are bound to change, they have to change, it will surely change. And it never fucking does.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 21, 2023 7:21:08 GMT
Some of the issues are nothing to do with 'gelling'. The inability to defend a set piece isn't anything to do with that. The headless chickening off the ball isn't anything to do with that. That's the manager and coaching team's responsibility to address.
What I do like is the quick passing and interplay in the final third, haven't seen much like that from us at all since we were relegated and once that clicks we're going to have some fun. We need stronger foundations further back though.
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Sept 21, 2023 7:22:28 GMT
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Post by Biblical on Sept 21, 2023 7:22:28 GMT
Cant agree that he should have been sacked in May, I’ve seen you comment many times that that squad was shit and the performances simply reflected that. He’s absolutely got to prove himself this season though, and we’ve got to be better. He came in and was useless. Improved none of the current players. The football got worse. And there was no plan. The squad was shit but a good manager gets a tune out of them irrespective. There’s absolutely nothing there from him to suggest he’s got the first clue about what he’s doing. He’s been such a let down. The football didn’t get worse, but it was largely a continuation of the bad performances we witnessed under MON. Then there was the purple patch, too brief for sure but that’s the indication that he does have a clue what he’s doing and the players couldn’t maintain it. I expected more than we got from him last season but think it ultimately sits with just how bad that squad was. I don’t think many managers would have got a consistent, decent tune out of that shitshow.
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Sept 21, 2023 7:23:04 GMT
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 21, 2023 7:23:04 GMT
Stoke fans want success. Even moderate success, which relative to where we have been, might be top 8 this season. As it stands, we're showing some bad habits. And we're 19th, with a tough run of games coming up. And the whole new squad isn't gelling. And some if our players are not good enough. And the manager's flip-flopping each week. All of those are facts. The team aren’t gelling🤔. They’ve been together less than a month, an international break in between and the 2 new forwards have got injured. Only real clanger so far is not sorting the defence out. That said, Neal has already said he didn’t get all his targets, this could’ve been the defender(s) he was after. Yes, we have to get better but some of the sack him / fraud views on here are ridiculous imo. He has a good track record of managing at this level and we’ve brought in 17 players with virtually no pre-season to assess them, this wii take time. No manager ever gets all his targets. Just more bleating. Sounds like he's becoming an excuse machine. He needs to get on with it and stop looking for excuses. That's what a proper manager should do.
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Sept 21, 2023 7:24:16 GMT
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Sept 21, 2023 7:24:16 GMT
Pretty much agree with this. I think it’s fair to say he’s under performed since coming here. But after such a big overhaul in the summer it’s madness to not give him time to get things right. There are signs of things coming together whilst I also appreciate there are worries defensively. We need patience and to appreciate there are going to be a few erratic performances and results. When Vidigal and Mmaee are back in and up to speed I can really see us going on a good run. Top half with signs of things coming together is minimrequired this season. If that does happen by end of the season then I will understand any calls for his head. But throwing the toys out of the pram this early and crying for him to go is ridiculous at this stage. Good post. We looked really bad going forward last season and we’re clearly better in that department this season. It’s a shame Vidigal got injured but he’s looked really promising and I liked what I saw from Haksabanovic last night. We’ve barely seen anything of Bae and Mmaee but hopefully they show us why we signed them as well. Defending set pieces has been a problem but we can work on that, there’s no way Rose was told to do whatever he was doing for their 2nd last night, that’s just a terrible lapse on his part. It’s a long season and I think we’ll get better as we go on. I’m sorry but I can’t agree about improvements going forward. Four past Rotherham, one half chance and a goal against Watford and then we haven’t looked like scoring. The best finisher at the club, Campbell, is looking like a League 2 player. He has massively regressed under the current manager.
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Post by Biblical on Sept 21, 2023 7:30:24 GMT
Good post. We looked really bad going forward last season and we’re clearly better in that department this season. It’s a shame Vidigal got injured but he’s looked really promising and I liked what I saw from Haksabanovic last night. We’ve barely seen anything of Bae and Mmaee but hopefully they show us why we signed them as well. Defending set pieces has been a problem but we can work on that, there’s no way Rose was told to do whatever he was doing for their 2nd last night, that’s just a terrible lapse on his part. It’s a long season and I think we’ll get better as we go on. I’m sorry but I can’t agree about improvements going forward. Four past Rotherham, one half chance and a goal against Watford and then we haven’t looked like scoring. The best finisher at the club, Campbell, is looking like a League 2 player. He has massively regressed under the current manager. Campbell hasn’t massively regressed at all, it’s the same old Campbell who has flattered to deceive throughout his time here. Whilst we haven’t scored that many we look miles better going forward and to say that we haven’t looked like scoring when we actually scored 2 goals last night, and should have scored more, just isn’t true.
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Post by hotpot on Sept 21, 2023 7:31:23 GMT
Can we get Neil Warnock as our new coach?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 21, 2023 7:36:36 GMT
Good post. We looked really bad going forward last season and we’re clearly better in that department this season. It’s a shame Vidigal got injured but he’s looked really promising and I liked what I saw from Haksabanovic last night. We’ve barely seen anything of Bae and Mmaee but hopefully they show us why we signed them as well. Defending set pieces has been a problem but we can work on that, there’s no way Rose was told to do whatever he was doing for their 2nd last night, that’s just a terrible lapse on his part. It’s a long season and I think we’ll get better as we go on. I’m sorry but I can’t agree about improvements going forward. Four past Rotherham, one half chance and a goal against Watford and then we haven’t looked like scoring. The best finisher at the club, Campbell, is looking like a League 2 player. He has massively regressed under the current manager. I thought we looked threatening throughout last night, all be it against poor opposition.
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Post by wilcopotter on Sept 21, 2023 7:39:31 GMT
The team aren’t gelling🤔. They’ve been together less than a month, an international break in between and the 2 new forwards have got injured. Only real clanger so far is not sorting the defence out. That said, Neal has already said he didn’t get all his targets, this could’ve been the defender(s) he was after. Yes, we have to get better but some of the sack him / fraud views on here are ridiculous imo. He has a good track record of managing at this level and we’ve brought in 17 players with virtually no pre-season to assess them, this wii take time. Why will it take time? Why can other clubs and managers just change over night? He’s had 13 months of people defending him saying things are bound to change, they have to change, it will surely change. And it never fucking does. So 1 month after signing 17 players you seem to think we should be playing like Man City - Get Real. Your post above is the usual negative, destructive shite you eternally spout.
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Sept 21, 2023 7:46:42 GMT
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Post by Biblical on Sept 21, 2023 7:46:42 GMT
I’m sorry but I can’t agree about improvements going forward. Four past Rotherham, one half chance and a goal against Watford and then we haven’t looked like scoring. The best finisher at the club, Campbell, is looking like a League 2 player. He has massively regressed under the current manager. I thought we looked threatening throughout last night, all be it against poor opposition. We did, albeit slightly better decisions were required in some cases. Johnson was played through in an excellent position early doors and there was a clear option to slide it to the back post where Campbell was positioned or even just shoot across goal himself but he decided to cross it high for some reason. Campbell looked a threat throughout, for the disallowed goal Wilmot could have played the ball slightly earlier but that was a tight call so it’s fine margins.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 21, 2023 7:55:14 GMT
I thought we looked threatening throughout last night, all be it against poor opposition. We did, albeit slightly better decisions were required in some cases. Johnson was played through in an excellent position early doors and there was a clear option to slide it to the back post where Campbell was positioned or even just shoot across goal himself but he decided to cross it high for some reason. Campbell looked a threat throughout, for the disallowed goal Wilmot could have played the ball slightly earlier but that was a tight call so it’s fine margins. Agree, decision making was the issue. We got into good positions frequently and should have punished them.
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Post by DC1863 on Sept 21, 2023 8:19:25 GMT
Know it wasn’t the win it should have been but I thought last night was an important step forward performance-wise - play like that every week and you’ll win most matches at this level. Under Jones, O'Neil & now Alex Neil we have seen the same kind of performances How often do we say we the same after a game? 'We battered them, just couldn't finish etc' It has been going on for years and the result is usually the opposition nicks one on the break and sits in for a 1-0 win. We were decent last night in the middle of the pitch, poor in both boxes, in that sense I can't see a great deal of progress.
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Post by jontimmis on Sept 21, 2023 8:20:16 GMT
Listening to his post match presser, he can see what we all see. Bad defending again. Just needs to assure we are going to work on it during training sessions.
The ruthlessness streak just isn’t there and we need it. Hull is going to be a tough game
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Post by vidigal7 on Sept 21, 2023 8:40:13 GMT
Can someone tell me how to block people please, is it doable by mobile phone or do you have to be on a desktop? I've looked I just can't see the option.
Will it hide their posts? Thanks
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 21, 2023 8:44:25 GMT
Can someone tell me how to block people please, is it doable by mobile phone or do you have to be on a desktop? I've looked I just can't see the option. Will it hide their posts? Thanks Here you go mate,the board is far better when you block the black cloud brigade You have to be in desktop mode, then click on the member you want to block. You'll see a small cog, click on "Member" then "Block Member". The only trouble with it is that when somebody quotes their post you will still see the messsge.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2023 8:45:39 GMT
Can someone tell me how to block people please, is it doable by mobile phone or do you have to be on a desktop? I've looked I just can't see the option. Will it hide their posts? Thanks I have always just used Dr Pepper, works every time.
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Post by vidigal7 on Sept 21, 2023 8:46:05 GMT
Can someone tell me how to block people please, is it doable by mobile phone or do you have to be on a desktop? I've looked I just can't see the option. Will it hide their posts? Thanks Here you go mate,the board is far better when you block the black cloud brigade You have to be in desktop mode, then click on the member you want to block. You'll see a small cog, click on "Member" then "Block Member". The only trouble with it is that when somebody quotes their post you will still see the messsge. Thanks mate
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Post by foster on Sept 21, 2023 8:51:46 GMT
Can someone tell me how to block people please, is it doable by mobile phone or do you have to be on a desktop? I've looked I just can't see the option. Will it hide their posts? Thanks I have always just used Dr Pepper, works every time. Never quite understood that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2023 8:57:57 GMT
Can someone tell me how to block people please, is it doable by mobile phone or do you have to be on a desktop? I've looked I just can't see the option. Will it hide their posts? Thanks Be careful what you wish for...
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Post by Gob Bluth on Sept 21, 2023 9:04:10 GMT
It does feel like we're in the same cycle that we have been with the previous 3 managers. Neil will has put himself in a position where he's said he can't coach or improve the players he used to have but we have to trust him that he can coach and improve these. I'm hopeful that we don't push onto the next step where the manager starts saying things like 'the players need to take responsibility, when they cross the white line it's on them.' because that's often been the next stage.
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Post by vidigal7 on Sept 21, 2023 9:12:38 GMT
Can someone tell me how to block people please, is it doable by mobile phone or do you have to be on a desktop? I've looked I just can't see the option. Will it hide their posts? Thanks Be careful what you wish for... An explanation would be good
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Post by wuzza on Sept 21, 2023 9:13:52 GMT
Some of the issues are nothing to do with 'gelling'. The inability to defend a set piece isn't anything to do with that. The headless chickening off the ball isn't anything to do with that. That's the manager and coaching team's responsibility to address. What I do like is the quick passing and interplay in the final third, haven't seen much like that from us at all since we were relegated and once that clicks we're going to have some fun. We need stronger foundations further back though. This sums it all up for me. Ok there is a ‘settling in ‘ period but very soon we have got to start playing like a side with real intent and purpose or this going to be another season written off. We should have gotten all the basics sorted by now - if we did that it could be a very entertaining spectacle.
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Post by pavel on Sept 21, 2023 9:14:27 GMT
I’m sorry but I can’t agree about improvements going forward. Four past Rotherham, one half chance and a goal against Watford and then we haven’t looked like scoring. The best finisher at the club, Campbell, is looking like a League 2 player. He has massively regressed under the current manager. Campbell hasn’t massively regressed at all, it’s the same old Campbell who has flattered to deceive throughout his time here. Whilst we haven’t scored that many we look miles better going forward and to say that we haven’t looked like scoring when we actually scored 2 goals last night, and should have scored more, just isn’t true. You mean our top scorer last season
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Post by pavel on Sept 21, 2023 9:23:02 GMT
Neil has promotions on his CV, including one in this league. He also did a decent job at Preston and started well at Sunderland too, before coming here. There's enough there to satisfy me he is a good manager and more than capable of making a success of his time at the club. I'll make a fairer judgement of where we are in January, once things have had time to settle down and the squad has starred to gel and integrate. Over the short space of this season there's been some very good and some very bad, and to some extent you'd expect inconsistency given the complete overhaul we've undertaken. I think top half is the minimum we'll achieve this season. Neil is a good manager regardless of what these toxic fools that disguise themselves as supporters say on here. Stoke fans are crap supporters Why don't the theives of joy f off and 'follow' somebody else For someone fairly new on this board you really do think a lot of yourself don't you. Why don't you just accept other people have equally valid opinions to you, stop calling them names and try debating. Whatever you think you're not the font of all knowledge, these fans you're talking about and telling to f off have probably been supporting and following Stoke for 20, 30 and 40 years or in my case 60 odd years. It doesn't mean we're always right either but we've supported Stoke through thick and thin and will continue to do so though that doesn't mean blind faith and shutting our eyes to what we see before us.
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Post by franklin on Sept 21, 2023 9:24:01 GMT
He's beginning to show his frustration with the players at both ends of the field.
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Post by franklin on Sept 21, 2023 9:27:16 GMT
Can someone tell me how you block individuals please You'll have nobody left to talk too using the "they're miserable" excuse 😁
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Post by telfordstokie on Sept 21, 2023 9:29:22 GMT
Know it wasn’t the win it should have been but I thought last night was an important step forward performance-wise - play like that every week and you’ll win most matches at this level. Under Jones, O'Neil & now Alex Neil we have seen the same kind of performances How often do we say we the same after a game? 'We battered them, just couldn't finish etc' It has been going on for years and the result is usually the opposition nicks one on the break and sits in for a 1-0 win. We were decent last night in the middle of the pitch, poor in both boxes, in that sense I can't see a great deal of progress. I agree with a lot of that but we have a completely new set of players who are learning each other’s games. I felt like last night they were signs they are starting to gel.
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Post by thornestein on Sept 21, 2023 9:29:22 GMT
Some of the issues are nothing to do with 'gelling'. The inability to defend a set piece isn't anything to do with that. The headless chickening off the ball isn't anything to do with that. That's the manager and coaching team's responsibility to address. What I do like is the quick passing and interplay in the final third, haven't seen much like that from us at all since we were relegated and once that clicks we're going to have some fun. We need stronger foundations further back though. it some of that passing is shocking still , something we need improve , then goals will come , but the defence is a massive worry
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Post by vidigal7 on Sept 21, 2023 9:37:34 GMT
Can someone tell me how you block individuals please You'll have nobody left to talk too using the "they're miserable" excuse 😁 Haha that's fine, an empty room is better than a toxic one. It goes beyond miserable though doesn't it. When you read other clubs forums (and I do) you don't see the hysterical over reactions you do on this one, it's extremely strange
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