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Alex Neil
Sept 2, 2023 16:36:32 GMT
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Post by biddulphchav on Sept 2, 2023 16:36:32 GMT
We’ve got to get away from the type of managers who can only play a certain way or using a certain system. A good manager should be able to come into a club, and if the players are good, get a tune out of them. A really good manager can do that even when the players aren’t that good. Managers rarely change their spots though, the vast majority of them have a favoured way of playing, even the very best ones, and will rarely stray from that. Well some do, some don’t. I don’t really know what style of play we are trying to implement at the moment to be fair? We seem to flip flop around and have no clear identity. Might be because we have so many new players, but don’t know what we were last season either |
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Post by satoshi on Sept 2, 2023 16:36:47 GMT
So what, he doesn’t have a clue what to do with them So they’ll have been signed with him and his system in mind, mate. Very silly to be talking about getting rid at this point anyway but if we do, the choices are rip everything up and start again after just signing literally a new squad or recruit a manager who plays a similar system. Based on our track record I don’t have much faith on the owners doing the latter, do you? I do now, we’ve turned a corner off the pitch. It’s still been a tremendous summer. |
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Post by tejstokie on Sept 2, 2023 16:37:27 GMT
Neil has the tactic of.... Be tactically outfoxed by the opposition coach from the off Throw on numerous subs in and hope it works I think in some ways that’s the frustrating thing. He never seems to set up like he wants to take the game to them. Today was crying out for Burger and Pearson doing the dirty work and either Johnson or Bae in a the more advanced role where they could run at them. For pretty much the whole game till the late subs no one wanted to run at the defence and maybe force a foul they just kept laying the ball off before losing it. This we setup to lose and it showed. |
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Sept 2, 2023 16:38:21 GMT
We need another manager change like a hole in the head. We have the midfielders for the diamond... We have tbe full-backs for the system... We have the technology to build the first bionic manager.... Mad Nathan will be that manager.Better than before. 😉 |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 2, 2023 16:38:30 GMT
He talks a very good game.
Sadly he’s yet to deliver one.
That was garbage…again!
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Sept 2, 2023 16:39:18 GMT
It’ll be telling if he shits himself and reverts to 5 at the back next game.
If he does then that tells me he’s not the man for the job.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 2, 2023 16:39:28 GMT
So they’ll have been signed with him and his system in mind, mate. Very silly to be talking about getting rid at this point anyway but if we do, the choices are rip everything up and start again after just signing literally a new squad or recruit a manager who plays a similar system. Based on our track record I don’t have much faith on the owners doing the latter, do you? I do now, we’ve turned a corner off the pitch. It’s still been a tremendous summer. If this manager is sacked, what happens to Dublin and Martin? At least one of those is the manager’s man and we seem to be a manager driven club still. |
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Post by tejstokie on Sept 2, 2023 16:39:41 GMT
Then again, who should he have started? I doubt he told Laurent to "don't press them at all, just wander around aimlessly". Pearsons 40 second yellow didn't help either. And overloading the midfield? They had 9 men in the box for 80% of the game. When they do that you need to find a way to lure them out, and I think that was the plan, only our players couldn't execute it. The game should have ended 0-0, not remotely good enough, but very far from "awful setup" IMO. If Campbell could do more than win throw-ins we'd have won. Laurent didn’t really get into the game at all, particularly in the first half. Can see what AN was trying to do but at home against a team like Preston who don’t score many and sit in, why not go two up top? Wesley was very isolated all game and id have like to have seen Gayle up there with him. Seems like AN will never actually play two forwards, and old fashioned 9 and 10, yet we have Wesley who looks a perfect partner for Gayle or Campbell. Hindsight is 20:20 but I think he was too cautious again today, much like Millwall. The worry is he’ll shit the bed and go back to 5 at the back at Norwich. Overly cautious with Wouter and Bae in midfield reliant on a style we're best suited to use away from home. At times I thought we were the away side. Talk about capitulation tactics. |
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Post by HarryTheHat on Sept 2, 2023 16:39:42 GMT
We should make a deluded attempt to get Graham Potter. fixed it for you |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2023 16:40:09 GMT
To put out these performances (Millwall , Ipswich, Preston) with that group of players is totally unacceptable.
And for some reason, losing these games and throwing on 3+ subs after Half time seems to buy him some credibility on this board.
He isn't good enough really and we all know it, we just want it to work and we're hoping that signing a bunch of quality player will brute-force carry us through. We've committed to him and whilst I never would've chosen him out of a list of 100 - we're stuck with him for the foreseeable.
Preston and Sunderland must be laughing their heads off.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 2, 2023 16:40:12 GMT
Managers rarely change their spots though, the vast majority of them have a favoured way of playing, even the very best ones, and will rarely stray from that. Well some do, some don’t. I don’t really know what style of play we are trying to implement at the moment to be fair? We seem to flip flop around and have no clear identity. Might be because we have so many new players, but don’t know what we were last season either Which ones do? |
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Post by satoshi on Sept 2, 2023 16:41:09 GMT
I do now, we’ve turned a corner off the pitch. It’s still been a tremendous summer. If this manager is sacked, what happens to Dublin and Martin? At least one of those is the manager’s man and we seem to be a manager driven club still. It’s upto them and the club. Either way, it’s difficult to argue that this approach is working. They’re irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. |
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Alex Neil
Sept 2, 2023 16:44:45 GMT
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Post by jordan2009 on Sept 2, 2023 16:44:45 GMT
Firstly I've always backed him, also this isn't a knee jerk reaction. For me though he just doesn't cut. I cannot see him taking us forward. I might sound dramatic, but I'm seeing no difference in us whatsoever.
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Alex Neil
Sept 2, 2023 16:45:33 GMT
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Post by biddulphchav on Sept 2, 2023 16:45:33 GMT
Well some do, some don’t. I don’t really know what style of play we are trying to implement at the moment to be fair? We seem to flip flop around and have no clear identity. Might be because we have so many new players, but don’t know what we were last season either Which ones do? I’d say Moyes has, used to be somewhat negative but when I watch West Ham these days they are a far more progressive team. Eddie Howe is another - Newcastle play a very different way to the way Bournemouth did when he was there. Steve Bruce was / is a good example too. Set up far more attacking sides when he was in the Championship (not including his West Brom stint) than the did in the Prem. Marco Silva - big difference in style and shape at Fulham after they went up. I’m sure there are other examples. |
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Post by peterthornesboots on Sept 2, 2023 16:47:20 GMT
I do now, we’ve turned a corner off the pitch. It’s still been a tremendous summer. If this manager is sacked, what happens to Dublin and Martin? At least one of those is the manager’s man and we seem to be a manager driven club still. The impression that I got at the Meet the Manager evening was that Dublin and Martin are very much part of a structure that will not change. I think that the phrase used by Coates to describe them was 'club appointments'. AN will carry the can for poor results. Dublin and Martin are here for the long haul. |
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Post by satoshi on Sept 2, 2023 16:47:34 GMT
Too many red flags
The big one - making Laurent captain
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Sept 2, 2023 16:48:15 GMT
Another big one is going to be what he now does with his nominated Captain Laurent.
The midfield should be Burger, Pearson and Bae.
Has he got the bollocks?
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Post by marwood82 on Sept 2, 2023 16:48:19 GMT
To put out these performances (Millwall , Ipswich, Preston) with that group of players is totally unacceptable. Vidigals goal aside, the Watford performance wasn't exactly mind blowing either |
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Alex Neil
Sept 2, 2023 16:49:09 GMT
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Post by biddulphchav on Sept 2, 2023 16:49:09 GMT
He talks a very good game. Sadly he’s yet to deliver one. That was garbage…again! That’s part of his non-appeal for me. Talks the talk but he’s delivered nothing here so far on the pitch, apart from relegation form over the last 12-15 games that is |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2023 16:51:42 GMT
To put out these performances (Millwall , Ipswich, Preston) with that group of players is totally unacceptable. Vidigals goal aside, the Watford performance wasn't exactly mind blowing either Paper - meet: Cracks |
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Post by Gawa on Sept 2, 2023 16:52:41 GMT
What’s his record over the full season? Can’t be very good. Feel like there’s not much point changing manager. Nevertheless it’s a huge few weeks for him. 14 wins - 10 draws - 21 losses in the league. 52 points from 45 games |
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Alex Neil
Sept 2, 2023 16:53:06 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 2, 2023 16:53:06 GMT
What are you basing that on? The job he did at Brighton will net him a Prem job no trouble. As a package with our owners we are a bigger club than many Prem teams. We could definitely tempt Potter to come here. I agree |
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Post by ceejays on Sept 2, 2023 16:53:38 GMT
We were promised on the front foot high press high intensity. Never going to get that with Campbell . He just wanders back and never puts a foot in . Neil to me is the great overthinker . He’s a modern day Don Revie in that he watched the opposition twice before we play them. There’s no need in this league . He has analysts who can show him the oppositions set pieces . Just impose yourself on the opponent. Let them worry about us . Go for it . We’ve bought enough attacking options but whilst Wesley is in the team hoof it will be the easy option . Ok mmaee and vidigal injured but effectively two defensive midfielders. Take away the Rotherham game and we’ve scored one goal on four games . This from a side now set up supposedly to score goals . Arrrrrrgh
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Sept 2, 2023 16:53:52 GMT
Another big one is going to be what he now does with his nominated Captain Laurent. The midfield should be Burger, Pearson and Bae. Has he got the bollocks? Maybae a bit early to say that for Bae (he looked decent today though), but Laurent needs to be stripped of the Captaincy and benched |
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Post by biddulphchav on Sept 2, 2023 16:55:36 GMT
What’s his record over the full season? Can’t be very good. Feel like there’s not much point changing manager. Nevertheless it’s a huge few weeks for him. 14 wins - 10 draws - 21 losses in the league. 52 points from 45 games Let’s call a spade a spade, that’s garbage. To be fair, he needs a bit of time now as he’s just overhauled the entire club. But he has to get it right before Christmas, if we carry on with that sort of return between now and then with this squad then I’ll be baying for blood |
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Alex Neil
Sept 2, 2023 16:56:38 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 2, 2023 16:56:38 GMT
The last year had proved that there are plenty of managers better than Neil at this level if we were looking for a change
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Post by headsgoup on Sept 2, 2023 16:57:05 GMT
Awful setup today. Killed any semblance of wanting to win from the start using an away from home lineup. Very poor. Early still but shit that was awful knowing their strategy from kickoff. Don't get this. What was wrong with the setup? AN couldn't know that Campbell would be absolutely pathetic and that Laurent was going to hide again. The players let us down today. 4213 at the start rather than 4123, starting Laurent rather than Bae or Johnson. |
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Post by Gawa on Sept 2, 2023 16:57:26 GMT
14 wins - 10 draws - 21 losses in the league. 52 points from 45 games Let’s call a spade a spade, that’s garbage. To be fair, he needs a bit of time now as he’s just overhauled the entire club. But he has to get it right before Christmas, if we carry on with that sort of return between now and then with this squad then I’ll be baying for blood I have to agree with you. While it's a poor league start, there have been some promising signs too such as the midweek victory. No point changing now, should be given an opportunity to try and blend the players in first and see how he gets on. |
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Alex Neil
Sept 2, 2023 16:57:44 GMT
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Post by jordan2009 on Sept 2, 2023 16:57:44 GMT
I’d say Moyes has, used to be somewhat negative but when I watch West Ham these days they are a far more progressive team. Eddie Howe is another - Newcastle play a very different way to the way Bournemouth did when he was there. Steve Bruce was / is a good example too. Set up far more attacking sides when he was in the Championship (not including his West Brom stint) than the did in the Prem. Marco Silva - big difference in style and shape at Fulham after they went up. I’m sure there are other examples. Out of all the old school managers Moyes is the only one who's been able adapt his style. It's no coincidence these the better managers in England aren't English, Howe apart and I'm still not convinced he's got what it takes too take Newcastle to that next level. Coaching and management as changed, I'm afraid AN is becoming a bit of a dinosaur |
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Alex Neil
Sept 2, 2023 16:58:40 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 2, 2023 16:58:40 GMT
Personally I think it is ridiculous to be considering changing the manager You think a 60% loss rate is acceptable in a year! I think every supporter / manager of every team would like 100% win rate. Percentage / Statistics can be very deceptive.After the first game we had 100% win rate. |
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