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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 2, 2023 16:21:38 GMT
Dont rate him one bit but we are stuck with him now
Just hope he can sort it out in the next few weeks
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Post by satoshi on Sept 2, 2023 16:21:57 GMT
He’s a Stoke fan too isnt he? If he isn't he should be I wouldn’t recommend it 😂 |
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Sept 2, 2023 16:22:00 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 2, 2023 16:22:00 GMT
They were looking by far the more likely to score. We were completely toothless. Travers made two saves from deflections. That was it. No, 0-2 was it |
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Post by satoshi on Sept 2, 2023 16:22:29 GMT
Dont rate him one bit but we are stuck with him now Just hope he can sort it out in the next few weeks We’re not though mate. There’s no manager transfer window |
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Sept 2, 2023 16:22:54 GMT
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Sept 2, 2023 16:22:54 GMT
Would tricky Ricky stay? Are we finally in that sort of model, where he would select a more suitable manager?
Neil has got as long as he wants really. If he carries on being shit, he should go eventually. If things improve then happy days.
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Post by skip on Sept 2, 2023 16:23:24 GMT
Does Alex Neil tell the players what he wants them to do, or coaches them to do so. He clearly needs to do much more of the latter.
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Sept 2, 2023 16:24:02 GMT
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Sept 2, 2023 16:24:02 GMT
What was anyone expecting from him given his record? He's a sub par manager at best thats made a career living off other people's work. Norwich, he inherited a prem team in the championship. The Norwich fans I know all say they went up in spite of tactics not because of them. He got found out massively in the prem. Sunderland, turns up after the window is shut, they bumble their way over the line but he wants to take full credit for it??? Preston where he actually had to do some work was a loop of a couple of random good results followed by abysmal defeats ending in mid table obscurity if they were lucky. His problem is he genuinely thinks he's some sort of tactical genius obsessed with 'out smarting' the opposition rather than than focusing on his own team. Ever since he arrived it's impossible to understand what the game plan is each week and it's painfully obvious the players don't either because he can't stop messing with it. I'm sure the excuse 'the new guys need time to bed in' will be wheeled out but it was exactly the same last season, every week it was like watching a bunch of people who'd never met each other before. For me it's no coincidence the 1 run of good results after Christmas coincided with us only having 11 fit players and him being forced to play a consistent team and tactics for a few weeks. Then as soon as we got a few people fit, he went back to playing at being guardiola and back down the table we went. We would have ended up with more points last season if we'd stuck with O'Neil. Hard to argue with any of that. |
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Post by biddulphchav on Sept 2, 2023 16:24:25 GMT
One of the best defensive sides in the league and he decided to hoof it to Wesley and hope their midfield would be asleep allowing Wouter and Laurent to roam free? It's just terrible strategy, you don't think overloading midfield and having more forward threat from the start playing to foot wouldn't have opened them up more? They hardly looked pressed at times and we only had two chances in and behind them all match. It was quite possibly AN worst league setup I've seen as manager. Either he's experiencing, inept or just trying to keep consistency but eitherway it was a bad call. Then again, who should he have started? I doubt he told Laurent to "don't press them at all, just wander around aimlessly". Pearsons 40 second yellow didn't help either. And overloading the midfield? They had 9 men in the box for 80% of the game. When they do that you need to find a way to lure them out, and I think that was the plan, only our players couldn't execute it. The game should have ended 0-0, not remotely good enough, but very far from "awful setup" IMO. If Campbell could do more than win throw-ins we'd have won. Laurent didn’t really get into the game at all, particularly in the first half. Can see what AN was trying to do but at home against a team like Preston who don’t score many and sit in, why not go two up top? Wesley was very isolated all game and id have like to have seen Gayle up there with him. Seems like AN will never actually play two forwards, and old fashioned 9 and 10, yet we have Wesley who looks a perfect partner for Gayle or Campbell. Hindsight is 20:20 but I think he was too cautious again today, much like Millwall. The worry is he’ll shit the bed and go back to 5 at the back at Norwich. |
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Sept 2, 2023 16:24:31 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 2, 2023 16:24:31 GMT
What was anyone expecting from him given his record? He's a sub par manager at best thats made a career living off other people's work. Norwich, he inherited a prem team in the championship. The Norwich fans I know all say they went up in spite of tactics not because of them. He got found out massively in the prem. Sunderland, turns up after the window is shut, they bumble their way over the line but he wants to take full credit for it??? Preston where he actually had to do some work was a loop of a couple of random good results followed by abysmal defeats ending in mid table obscurity if they were lucky. His problem is he genuinely thinks he's some sort of tactical genius obsessed with 'out smarting' the opposition rather than than focusing on his own team. Ever since he arrived it's impossible to understand what the game plan is each week and it's painfully obvious the players don't either because he can't stop messing with it. I'm sure the excuse 'the new guys need time to bed in' will be wheeled out but it was exactly the same last season, every week it was like watching a bunch of people who'd never met each other before. For me it's no coincidence the 1 run of good results after Christmas coincided with us only having 11 fit players and him being forced to play a consistent team and tactics for a few weeks. Then as soon as we got a few people fit, he went back to playing at being guardiola and back down the table we went. We would have ended up with more points last season if we'd stuck with O'Neil. Norwich were able to keep pretty much the Prem squad and add to it. He simply has no game plan, opposition coaches do and it's way too easy The Rotherham games have blinkered too many |
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Post by satoshi on Sept 2, 2023 16:26:04 GMT
Now we’re a progressive european superpower I fully expect him to be sacked on Monday
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 2, 2023 16:26:18 GMT
They haven’t been signed over his head, he’ll have been involved in the process. So what, he doesn’t have a clue what to do with them So they’ll have been signed with him and his system in mind, mate. Very silly to be talking about getting rid at this point anyway but if we do, the choices are rip everything up and start again after just signing literally a new squad or recruit a manager who plays a similar system. Based on our track record I don’t have much faith on the owners doing the latter, do you? |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 2, 2023 16:26:35 GMT
Dont rate him one bit but we are stuck with him now Just hope he can sort it out in the next few weeks We’re not though mate. There’s no manager transfer window Get that mate but hes Coates’ man, he aint going anywhere |
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Post by thevoid on Sept 2, 2023 16:27:26 GMT
We’re not though mate. There’s no manager transfer window Get that mate but hes Coates’ man, he aint going anywhere All the previous sacked managers were 'Coates men'. They were all moved on for not delivering. |
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Post by minnierover on Sept 2, 2023 16:28:04 GMT
Shocking journeyman manager
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 2, 2023 16:29:15 GMT
Personally I think it is ridiculous to be considering changing the manager
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Post by idle on Sept 2, 2023 16:29:41 GMT
Travers made two saves from deflections. That was it. No, 0-2 was it You just saw the result on the BBC website, right? The ref gave them 0-1 and the second looked like offside. (Psst: we were talking about before they scored. Try to pay attention) |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 2, 2023 16:29:55 GMT
We’re not though mate. There’s no manager transfer window Get that mate but hes Coates’ man, he aint going anywhere So were all the ones previously. If ever was a time to get him out of the door is now. International break, a whole new squad to work with. He's taking us nowhere . He's lost, not failed to win, lost over 60% of his games in charge. Atrocious record |
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Sept 2, 2023 16:30:06 GMT
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Post by biddulphchav on Sept 2, 2023 16:30:06 GMT
So what, he doesn’t have a clue what to do with them So they’ll have been signed with him and his system in mind, mate. Very silly to be talking about getting rid at this point anyway but if we do, the choices are rip everything up and start again after just signing literally a new squad or recruit a manager who plays a similar system. Based on our track record I don’t have much faith on the owners doing the latter, do you? We’ve got to get away from the type of managers who can only play a certain way or using a certain system. A good manager should be able to come into a club, and if the players are good, get a tune out of them. A really good manager can do that even when the players aren’t that good. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2023 16:30:17 GMT
We need another manager change like a hole in the head.
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Sept 2, 2023 16:30:32 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 2, 2023 16:30:32 GMT
Personally I think it is ridiculous to be considering changing the manager You think a 60% loss rate is acceptable in a year! |
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Post by liathroid on Sept 2, 2023 16:30:37 GMT
They haven’t been signed over his head, he’ll have been involved in the process. So what, he doesn’t have a clue what to do with them its his first game with them |
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Sept 2, 2023 16:30:43 GMT
Didn’t understand his subs.
Thought Laurent should have been hooked at HT
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Sept 2, 2023 16:31:41 GMT
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Post by PotteringThrough on Sept 2, 2023 16:31:41 GMT
He did look a bit lost towards the end.
Lot of work to do.
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Sept 2, 2023 16:32:18 GMT
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Post by thisisouryear on Sept 2, 2023 16:32:18 GMT
As a package with our owners we are a bigger club than many Prem teams. We could definitely tempt Potter to come here. Nebulous concepts of being ‘bigger’ don’t wash with teams actually in the Premier League and he could land a decent sized one too. He turned down Leicester in the summer, he can bide his time and wait for a call from the top flight or even abroad. It all comes down to money in the end. Pay enough and he would come. |
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Sept 2, 2023 16:32:29 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 2, 2023 16:32:29 GMT
We need another manager change like a hole in the head. We simply don't. Do you think he's taking us forward! A year of going nowhere , endless excuses and defeats What is the point of signing all these players with a manager with such a hopeless record in charge? The stats don't lie |
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Post by thevoid on Sept 2, 2023 16:32:38 GMT
We need another manager change like a hole in the head. We certainly don't need another 16/17th placed finish. It's starting to get tedious |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 2, 2023 16:32:51 GMT
So they’ll have been signed with him and his system in mind, mate. Very silly to be talking about getting rid at this point anyway but if we do, the choices are rip everything up and start again after just signing literally a new squad or recruit a manager who plays a similar system. Based on our track record I don’t have much faith on the owners doing the latter, do you? We’ve got to get away from the type of managers who can only play a certain way or using a certain system. A good manager should be able to come into a club, and if the players are good, get a tune out of them. A really good manager can do that even when the players aren’t that good. Managers rarely change their spots though, the vast majority of them have a favoured way of playing, even the very best ones, and will rarely stray from that. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 2, 2023 16:33:58 GMT
Nebulous concepts of being ‘bigger’ don’t wash with teams actually in the Premier League and he could land a decent sized one too. He turned down Leicester in the summer, he can bide his time and wait for a call from the top flight or even abroad. It all comes down to money in the end. Pay enough and he would come. It’s not just about money, managers, like players, are ambitious and want to win things. |
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Post by biddulphchav on Sept 2, 2023 16:34:00 GMT
Didn’t understand his subs. Thought Laurent should have been hooked at HT Yeah I was surprised he stayed on. Whatever AN sees in him, if he keeps playing him he will cost him his job eventually. He can only play as a sitting midfielder as he just doesn’t have the ability anywhere else. The problem is, Pearson plays that position much better than Laurent does. He may be a good athlete and have all the attributes, but it’s not a decathlon Alex! |
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Post by stokemark on Sept 2, 2023 16:35:09 GMT
I am not sure he really knows what he's doing
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