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Post by independent on Dec 4, 2023 19:07:22 GMT
I think he is here till at least the end of the season. We need him to get lucky and stumble on a system and line up that is less bad than we have witnessed for the last 15 months. The real problem is whether to allow him to spend money in January.
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Post by wuzza on Dec 4, 2023 19:18:30 GMT
I’m reasonably confident that given the rest of the season to work on this Neil and his team will make significant progress.
The constant desperation to get rid of managers is frankly tiresome and (as we have demonstrated) non productive.
Not a view that’s going to win many friends I know but I think people have to recognise that the difference between success and failure in this league is paper thin.
One thing that has been massively missing this season and a few previously is the merest hint of good fortune. Things could turn very quickly if and when a few things start dropping our way.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 4, 2023 19:20:24 GMT
I’m reasonably confident that given the rest of the season to work on this Neil and his team will make significant progress. The constant desperation to get rid of managers is frankly tiresome and (as we have demonstrated) non productive. Not a view that’s going to win many friends I know but I think people have to recognise that the difference between success and failure in this league is paper thin. One thing that has been massively missing this season and a few previously is the merest hint of good fortune. Things could turn very quickly if and when a few things start dropping our way. As the old saying goes “you make your own luck”. We don’t do enough to be lucky |
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Post by stokeyank on Dec 4, 2023 19:24:22 GMT
I’m reasonably confident that given the rest of the season to work on this Neil and his team will make significant progress. The constant desperation to get rid of managers is frankly tiresome and (as we have demonstrated) non productive. Not a view that’s going to win many friends I know but I think people have to recognise that the difference between success and failure in this league is paper thin. One thing that has been massively missing this season and a few previously is the merest hint of good fortune. Things could turn very quickly if and when a few things start dropping our way. What is tiresome is hiring the same type of manager over and over and expecting different results. If you stick with a manager who is not going to get the job done I'd asy it's much worse than cutting your losses and trying someone new. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 4, 2023 19:29:10 GMT
fbref.com/en/comps/10/Championship-StatsI don't think we're being unlucky. The XG wizards say we should be 18th - with us creating the 18th most XG in the league, and conceding the 6th most. We're a mess.
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Post by wuzza on Dec 4, 2023 19:29:29 GMT
I’m reasonably confident that given the rest of the season to work on this Neil and his team will make significant progress. The constant desperation to get rid of managers is frankly tiresome and (as we have demonstrated) non productive. Not a view that’s going to win many friends I know but I think people have to recognise that the difference between success and failure in this league is paper thin. One thing that has been massively missing this season and a few previously is the merest hint of good fortune. Things could turn very quickly if and when a few things start dropping our way. What is tiresome is hiring the same type of manager over and over and expecting different results. If you stick with a manager who is not going to get the job done I'd asy it's much worse than cutting your losses and trying someone new. To be honest there have been some very different characters and very different skill/experience sets amongst our last bunch of managers. The only thing they haven’t been - and this will probably be the craving for some - is foreign. |
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Post by wuzza on Dec 4, 2023 19:31:10 GMT
I’m reasonably confident that given the rest of the season to work on this Neil and his team will make significant progress. The constant desperation to get rid of managers is frankly tiresome and (as we have demonstrated) non productive. Not a view that’s going to win many friends I know but I think people have to recognise that the difference between success and failure in this league is paper thin. One thing that has been massively missing this season and a few previously is the merest hint of good fortune. Things could turn very quickly if and when a few things start dropping our way. As the old saying goes “you make your own luck”. We don’t do enough to be lucky Maybe not but we ain’t that bad that literally nothing ever seems to drop our way. |
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Dec 4, 2023 19:33:28 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 4, 2023 19:33:28 GMT
As the old saying goes “you make your own luck”. We don’t do enough to be lucky Maybe not but we ain’t that bad that literally nothing ever seems to drop our way. When we start playing well/ if we ever start playing well, the luck will follow. You have to be in it to win it and Stoke never put themselves in it. I’ve run out of cliches this evening |
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Post by wuzza on Dec 4, 2023 19:35:55 GMT
Maybe not but we ain’t that bad that literally nothing ever seems to drop our way. When we start playing well/ if we ever start playing well, the luck will follow. You have to be in it to win it and Stoke never put themselves in it. I’ve run out of cliches this evening You resisted the ‘buying a ticket to win the raffle’ and ‘swings and roundabouts’ options so fair play ! |
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Dec 4, 2023 19:37:20 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 4, 2023 19:37:20 GMT
When we start playing well/ if we ever start playing well, the luck will follow. You have to be in it to win it and Stoke never put themselves in it. I’ve run out of cliches this evening You resisted the ‘buying a ticket to win the raffle’ and ‘swings and roundabouts’ options so fair play ! Swings and roundabouts would see us in a much better position in the league😉 |
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Post by lordb on Dec 4, 2023 19:44:05 GMT
fbref.com/en/comps/10/Championship-StatsI don't think we're being unlucky. The XG wizards say we should be 18th - with us creating the 18th most XG in the league, and conceding the 6th most. We're a mess. We have had bad luck re the penalties not given but we have as many points as we deserve |
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Post by stokeranger on Dec 4, 2023 20:13:24 GMT
fbref.com/en/comps/10/Championship-StatsI don't think we're being unlucky. The XG wizards say we should be 18th - with us creating the 18th most XG in the league, and conceding the 6th most. We're a mess. We have had bad luck re the penalties not given but we have as many points as we deserve From my dad to everyone at work, we have all had enough of Alex now, it’s going to be a bad day for him on Saturday when Sheffield Wednesday get there first away win.. dead man walking now. |
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 4, 2023 20:15:34 GMT
I’m reasonably confident that given the rest of the season to work on this Neil and his team will make significant progress. The constant desperation to get rid of managers is frankly tiresome and (as we have demonstrated) non productive. Not a view that’s going to win many friends I know but I think people have to recognise that the difference between success and failure in this league is paper thin. One thing that has been massively missing this season and a few previously is the merest hint of good fortune. Things could turn very quickly if and when a few things start dropping our way. The more I practice the luckier I get said the great Gary Player. Meanwhile in Dubai.. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2023 20:40:29 GMT
fbref.com/en/comps/10/Championship-StatsI don't think we're being unlucky. The XG wizards say we should be 18th - with us creating the 18th most XG in the league, and conceding the 6th most. We're a mess. Damning stats right there. Get that filthy Mamba out Coates and fire him back up the M6 to the concrete jungle that is Preston. |
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Post by baconburger on Dec 4, 2023 21:31:34 GMT
What is tiresome is hiring the same type of manager over and over and expecting different results. If you stick with a manager who is not going to get the job done I'd asy it's much worse than cutting your losses and trying someone new. To be honest there have been some very different characters and very different skill/experience sets amongst our last bunch of managers. The only thing they haven’t been - and this will probably be the craving for some - is foreign. We virtually always appoint cautious, conservative, dour managers. Sure they have different methods of being dull, different personalities but no flair or flamboyance. Even when we decided to go foreign we chose a low scoring defence merchant. |
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Post by lordb on Dec 4, 2023 21:36:36 GMT
To be honest there have been some very different characters and very different skill/experience sets amongst our last bunch of managers. The only thing they haven’t been - and this will probably be the craving for some - is foreign. We virtually always appoint cautious, conservative, dour managers. Sure they have different methods of being dull, different personalities but no flair or flamboyance. Even when we decided to go foreign we chose a low scoring defence merchant. Do you mean QSF? Jokanovic, who we apparently offered the job too, is anything but |
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Dec 4, 2023 21:39:04 GMT
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Post by baconburger on Dec 4, 2023 21:39:04 GMT
We virtually always appoint cautious, conservative, dour managers. Sure they have different methods of being dull, different personalities but no flair or flamboyance. Even when we decided to go foreign we chose a low scoring defence merchant. Do you mean QSF? Jokanovic, who we apparently offered the job too, is anything but Yes I did mean QSF exotic dishwater. |
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Post by BristolMick on Dec 4, 2023 22:20:28 GMT
To be honest there have been some very different characters and very different skill/experience sets amongst our last bunch of managers. The only thing they haven’t been - and this will probably be the craving for some - is foreign. We virtually always appoint cautious, conservative, dour managers. Sure they have different methods of being dull, different personalities but no flair or flamboyance. Even when we decided to go foreign we chose a low scoring defence merchant. Boskamp? BM |
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Dec 4, 2023 22:21:30 GMT
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Post by lordb on Dec 4, 2023 22:21:30 GMT
We virtually always appoint cautious, conservative, dour managers. Sure they have different methods of being dull, different personalities but no flair or flamboyance. Even when we decided to go foreign we chose a low scoring defence merchant. Boskamp? BM Not a Coates appointment |
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Dec 4, 2023 22:23:38 GMT
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Post by baconburger on Dec 4, 2023 22:23:38 GMT
We virtually always appoint cautious, conservative, dour managers. Sure they have different methods of being dull, different personalities but no flair or flamboyance. Even when we decided to go foreign we chose a low scoring defence merchant. Boskamp? BM Not a Coates appointment. Oh I see QSF I answered that above. |
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Post by BristolMick on Dec 4, 2023 22:23:41 GMT
Well we haven’t gone foreign apart from that have we? BM |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Dec 4, 2023 22:24:42 GMT
I would suggest Jones and MON certainky werent cautious conservative dour appointments. One failed miserably, the other was inititally successful
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Post by baconburger on Dec 4, 2023 22:29:35 GMT
I would suggest Jones and MON certainky werent cautious conservative dour appointments. One failed miserably, the other was inititally successful MON was awfully cautious and dour. Initially he had no choice but go against his nature. Jones wasn’t and his failure sent them scurrying back to their default despite it being a continual failure. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 4, 2023 22:30:50 GMT
I'm lost as to teh idea these are good players thr managers failing with
They aren't they are the product of a disastrous recruiter process.run by Martin Jared and Neil
For that alone they should be fine t now rhe loans will go regardless and of the permanent only junior and burger will make it at this level while Pearson and jonhnsob gently aetlle into virtual retirement
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Post by scfcno1fan on Dec 4, 2023 22:30:57 GMT
Well, another day and he’s still here.
The people at the top have to make the call here and get rid sooner rather than later.
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Post by BristolMick on Dec 4, 2023 22:32:27 GMT
I would suggest Jones and MON certainky werent cautious conservative dour appointments. One failed miserably, the other was inititally successful Yes and both had character. The only thing you could ever like about Alex Neil though is if he won games for our football club. He has no slack because in more than a season in charge the football is as dull and ineffective as it’s ever been despite us signing what appear to be genuinely talented footballers. It’s true though that he/we have suffered bad luck in the last two games with a bent ref against QPR and then a last second goal at Argyle when we were worth the draw. BM |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Dec 4, 2023 22:33:09 GMT
I would suggest Jones and MON certainky werent cautious conservative dour appointments. One failed miserably, the other was inititally successful MON was awfully cautious and dour. Initially he had no choice but go against his nature. Jones wasn’t and his failure sent them scurrying back to their default despite it being a continual failure. He became cautious and dire. When we were sticking 4 or 5 past teams every other week in 2020 it didnt seem that way. I woukd suggest he was an innovative appointment |
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Post by baconburger on Dec 4, 2023 22:43:12 GMT
MON was awfully cautious and dour. Initially he had no choice but go against his nature. Jones wasn’t and his failure sent them scurrying back to their default despite it being a continual failure. He became cautious and dire. When we were sticking 4 or 5 past teams every other week in 2020 it didnt seem that way. I woukd suggest he was an innovative appointment Historically his football had been cautious and dour. When you’re rooted to the foot of the table well adrift of safety cautious and dour isn’t an option. How many 4’s and 5’s did we see in the two full seasons after that. It’s just how AN has gone. Despite some bloody awful results we scored a decent number of goals on quite a few occasions under him last season now we’re averaging a goal a game with 9 blanks in 19. What have they got in common? Throughout their careers you wouldn’t associate either of them with free flowing, high scoring attacking football. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 4, 2023 23:02:24 GMT
You can see a pretty tricky chat at 365 head quarters tomorrow
DC hey brother did you see Sunderland and Sheffield utd sacked their managers both of whom did well last Season and l of which is above us in thr league
JC yes saw that
Dc why is that scottish bloke still here
Jc well his boss says he's doing fine
Dc is that the boss he appointed himself
JC well Jared says he's lovely too
DC is that the jared that hired a cente forward with one leg shorter than the other
Jc That's him
JC don't worry ricky's got a plan with 5 pillars in in.it we even have cultural.architechts
Dc do.you have any good footballers
Jc we are getting a fan zone
Dc what's the.scoitsh bloke actually doing to save his job
Jc says we don't deserve to.lose.and it's very early in the season
Dc does he knownl santa's.comimg in 3 weeks
Jc says he never.played.for.preston and he's not as.fatmas Ben anyway
Dc would.it be worth sacking him seen as he is worse than the last two we had
Jc if sack k him and his mates.we've no one left and.no.money to hire anyone
Dc fuck it come on dad let.fuck off up the vale
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Post by mrnovember on Dec 4, 2023 23:20:56 GMT
You can see a pretty tricky chat at 365 head quarters tomorrow DC hey brother did you see Sunderland and Sheffield utd sacked their managers both of whom did well last Season and l of which is above us in thr league JC yes saw that Dc why is that scottish bloke still here Jc well his boss says he's doing fine Dc is that the boss he appointed himself JC well Jared says he's lovely too DC is that the jared that hired a cente forward with one leg shorter than the other Jc That's him JC don't worry ricky's got a plan with 5 pillars in in.it we even have cultural.architechts Dc do.you have any good footballers Jc we are getting a fan zone Dc what's the.scoitsh bloke actually doing to save his job Jc says we don't deserve to.lose.and it's very early in the season Dc does he knownl santa's.comimg in 3 weeks Jc says he never.played.for.preston and he's not as.fatmas Ben anyway Dc would.it be worth sacking him seen as he is worse than the last two we had Jc if sack k him and his mates.we've no one left and.no.money to hire anyone Dc fuck it come on dad let.fuck off up the vale The Stoke-on-Trent version of Succession. |
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