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Post by glpotter on Dec 5, 2023 3:37:00 GMT
I would suggest Jones and MON certainky werent cautious conservative dour appointments. One failed miserably, the other was inititally successful Yes and both had character. The only thing you could ever like about Alex Neil though is if he won games for our football club. He has no slack because in more than a season in charge the football is as dull and ineffective as it’s ever been despite us signing what appear to be genuinely talented footballers. It’s true though that he/we have suffered bad luck in the last two games with a bent ref against QPR and then a last second goal at Argyle when we were worth the draw. BM You can’t blame a bent ref on shipping 3 late goals like we did against QPR, a total inexcusable capitulation. Also conceding late to Plymouth , we are spineless and the manager is to blame Game by game They are wasting our season with this fraud in charge |
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Post by moon on Dec 5, 2023 6:08:39 GMT
I’m reasonably confident that given the rest of the season to work on this Neil and his team will make significant progress. The constant desperation to get rid of managers is frankly tiresome and (as we have demonstrated) non productive. Not a view that’s going to win many friends I know but I think people have to recognise that the difference between success and failure in this league is paper thin. One thing that has been massively missing this season and a few previously is the merest hint of good fortune. Things could turn very quickly if and when a few things start dropping our way. Spot on. I’m far from happy with few end results but I don’t want to see a new manager yet, especially after the overhaul this summer. Pick up a few wins and the mood on here will quickly change. AN is proven at this level and we have done decent business this summer, we are still lacking a few key players, hopefully we can sign Travers in January. |
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 5, 2023 7:26:12 GMT
I really think Bonham is the least of our problems.
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Post by LGH87 on Dec 5, 2023 7:33:23 GMT
I’m reasonably confident that given the rest of the season to work on this Neil and his team will make significant progress. The constant desperation to get rid of managers is frankly tiresome and (as we have demonstrated) non productive. Not a view that’s going to win many friends I know but I think people have to recognise that the difference between success and failure in this league is paper thin. One thing that has been massively missing this season and a few previously is the merest hint of good fortune. Things could turn very quickly if and when a few things start dropping our way. Spot on. I’m far from happy with few end results but I don’t want to see a new manager yet, especially after the overhaul this summer. Pick up a few wins and the mood on here will quickly change. AN is proven at this level and we have done decent business this summer, we are still lacking a few key players, hopefully we can sign Travers in January. You say he's proven at this level but all he has proven is that he's a middle of the road manager. He averages a win % of less than 35%. One promotion from this league with a ready made squad does not count for much. Take that promotion off his CV and his record is worse than Rowett's. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2023 7:45:40 GMT
Spot on. I’m far from happy with few end results but I don’t want to see a new manager yet, especially after the overhaul this summer. Pick up a few wins and the mood on here will quickly change. AN is proven at this level and we have done decent business this summer, we are still lacking a few key players, hopefully we can sign Travers in January. You say he's proven at this level but all he has proven is that he's a middle of the road manager. He averages a win % of less than 35%. One promotion from this league with a ready made squad does not count for much. Take that promotion off his CV and his record is worse than Rowett's. Some of those figures are wrong. He's higher than 35% at Preston but lower than that here. One quite stark stat is that he needs to win 8 games without a defeat to just get to the point where he's won as many games here as he's lost. Let that one sink in! |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 5, 2023 8:25:20 GMT
You say he's proven at this level but all he has proven is that he's a middle of the road manager. He averages a win % of less than 35%. One promotion from this league with a ready made squad does not count for much. Take that promotion off his CV and his record is worse than Rowett's. Some of those figures are wrong. He's higher than 35% at Preston but lower than that here. One quite stark stat is that he needs to win 8 games without a defeat to just get to the point where he's won as many games here as he's lost. Let that one sink in! Staggering it’s a non debate he’s a goner no one turns this round that was apparent weeks ago indeed in the summer it’s just when we have airway wasted another 6 months and millions in the process we are now just waiting for my old friend to snap him up |
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Post by stokie1947 on Dec 5, 2023 8:39:38 GMT
ROWETT WIN AT STOKE 31% overall 40.4%
JONES 15% overall 42%
MON 38.4% overall 44.8%
AN 33.8% overall 41.5%
so we can see what the common denominator
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 5, 2023 8:49:59 GMT
You say he's proven at this level but all he has proven is that he's a middle of the road manager. He averages a win % of less than 35%. One promotion from this league with a ready made squad does not count for much. Take that promotion off his CV and his record is worse than Rowett's. Some of those figures are wrong. He's higher than 35% at Preston but lower than that here. One quite stark stat is that he needs to win 8 games without a defeat to just get to the point where he's won as many games here as he's lost. Let that one sink in! 10 in the league! 59 18 13 28 67 |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2023 8:55:56 GMT
Some of those figures are wrong. He's higher than 35% at Preston but lower than that here. One quite stark stat is that he needs to win 8 games without a defeat to just get to the point where he's won as many games here as he's lost. Let that one sink in! 10 in the league! 59 18 13 28 67 I really don't know how or why he's still here. There's nothing left to discuss is there? |
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Post by lordb on Dec 5, 2023 8:56:58 GMT
10 in the league! 59 18 13 28 67 I really don't know how or why he's still here. There's nothing left to discuss is there? His pay off Who the next manager is |
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Post by baconburger on Dec 5, 2023 9:04:29 GMT
Some of those figures are wrong. He's higher than 35% at Preston but lower than that here. One quite stark stat is that he needs to win 8 games without a defeat to just get to the point where he's won as many games here as he's lost. Let that one sink in! 10 in the league! 59 18 13 28 67 Just shows how crap he is at what he tries to do. He’s definitely a don’t lose merchant who spends far too much of his time and energy trying to neutralise the opponent yet the overwhelming end result is exactly what he puts the vast majority of his effort into avoiding. Oh for a manager who puts his main focus on getting his team scoring and within that does his best to try to keep the back door shut. |
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 5, 2023 15:21:41 GMT
I said give him till December to get a new squad performing. Performances aren't getting better, they are getting worse. So I said last week before Saturday it's time to replace so a new manager can get a good look at the squad and decide what he needs to sign in January. But when I saw this today I totally despair. Any manager having to resort to relying on luck has lost the plot. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-manager-alex-neil-8952914 |
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Post by pavel on Dec 5, 2023 15:42:54 GMT
I said give him till December to get a new squad performing. Performances aren't getting better, they are getting worse. So I said last week before Saturday it's time to replace so a new manager can get a good look at the squad and decide what he needs to sign in January. But when I saw this today I totally despair. Any manager having to resort to relying on luck has lost the plot. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-manager-alex-neil-8952914He talks some shit doesn’t he, but the real problem and unbelievable fact is that he is still here to spout it. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2023 15:56:02 GMT
At one time I found it admirable that the owners perservered with managers and gave them the chance to prove themslves rather than a gung ho approach. Nowadays I find it just wank management of the club, when will they learn? We all know where this is heading, we all know the dressing room is lost, we all know he will, eventually, be sacked. We are an absolute shambles.
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Post by idle on Dec 5, 2023 16:01:58 GMT
Well we haven’t gone foreign apart from that have we? BM Gudjon Thordarson (or more correctly Guðjón Þórðarson)? He even took us up, and was sacked a few days later, proving that Coates wasn't the only looney owner in the club history. |
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Post by etebojan on Dec 5, 2023 16:06:09 GMT
I said give him till December to get a new squad performing. Performances aren't getting better, they are getting worse. So I said last week before Saturday it's time to replace so a new manager can get a good look at the squad and decide what he needs to sign in January. But when I saw this today I totally despair. Any manager having to resort to relying on luck has lost the plot. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-manager-alex-neil-8952914i'm pretty much reluctantly Neil out myself...but I don't thats quite what he's saying is it, in fact completely the opposite of relying on luck, he's saying we need to be awake/focussed and make sure we make the right decisions at crucial points in the game, which we failed to do so: “I don’t just like to apportion anything to a decision or luck. In football you make your own luck. First of all, we had an opportunity not to give the (late) free-kick away and then we had an opportunity to clear the free-kick but we don’t make clean contact (before Plymouth score their winner). What happens after that comes back to those two actions.” |
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Post by wonderwall on Dec 5, 2023 16:12:38 GMT
ROWETT WIN AT STOKE 31% overall 40.4% JONES 15% overall 42% MON 38.4% overall 44.8% AN 33.8% overall 41.5% so we can see what the common denominator So wish it would have worked our with MON. He was so much more likeable than the rest. |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Dec 5, 2023 16:18:02 GMT
ROWETT WIN AT STOKE 31% overall 40.4% JONES 15% overall 42% MON 38.4% overall 44.8% AN 33.8% overall 41.5% so we can see what the common denominator So wish it would have worked our with MON. He was so much more likeable than the rest. 100% agree. He seemed to basically end up running the club and balancing the finances, so much so that it just meant the football went down the pan. He's been the best we've had since relegation by far, and wasn't a unlikeable twonk. |
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Dec 5, 2023 16:21:34 GMT
I said give him till December to get a new squad performing. Performances aren't getting better, they are getting worse. So I said last week before Saturday it's time to replace so a new manager can get a good look at the squad and decide what he needs to sign in January. But when I saw this today I totally despair. Any manager having to resort to relying on luck has lost the plot. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-manager-alex-neil-8952914'I've got 3 clubs promoted' - when they start talking about their CV, you know they're a dead man walking. I cannot believe we haven't pulled the trigger this week, well actually I can. |
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Post by Clayton Wood on Dec 5, 2023 16:26:59 GMT
I said give him till December to get a new squad performing. Performances aren't getting better, they are getting worse. So I said last week before Saturday it's time to replace so a new manager can get a good look at the squad and decide what he needs to sign in January. But when I saw this today I totally despair. Any manager having to resort to relying on luck has lost the plot. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-manager-alex-neil-8952914For us, the last two games have been extremely difficult in terms of being frustrating – but I’ll take it on the chin and go onto the next one. No, taking it on the chin is resigning your position, refusing a pay-off and leaving the club at a date agreed with the owners. |
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Post by mongolikecandy on Dec 5, 2023 16:43:48 GMT
In the entire time he has been here, we have been in the top half of the table (11th/12th) for two games. We have never been in the top 10.
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Post by flea79 on Dec 5, 2023 17:00:05 GMT
In the entire time he has been here, we have been in the top half of the table (11th/12th) for two games. We have never been in the top 10. thats shocking if true but possibly wrong, pretty sure we spent a week in the top 2 at the start of this season after the drubbing we gave to Rotherham? |
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Post by stokefc on Dec 5, 2023 17:14:04 GMT
He lost me after the Leicester game with his timid line up playing timid football , it told me he hasn't got the nous or bottle to take us forward and it's been the same over the last 5 games
Timid football gets you nowhere , get rid
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Post by roylandstoke on Dec 5, 2023 17:19:10 GMT
I said give him till December to get a new squad performing. Performances aren't getting better, they are getting worse. So I said last week before Saturday it's time to replace so a new manager can get a good look at the squad and decide what he needs to sign in January. But when I saw this today I totally despair. Any manager having to resort to relying on luck has lost the plot. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-manager-alex-neil-8952914' I've got 3 clubs promoted' - when they start talking about their CV, you know they're a dead man walking. I cannot believe we haven't pulled the trigger this week, well actually I can. He got someone else's, well placed, teams promoted when he took over over half way through the season. And he got Hamilton Academicals promoted. More pertinently he took over a lower mid table championship team and made them worse. |
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Post by glpotter on Dec 6, 2023 19:59:59 GMT
I said give him till December to get a new squad performing. Performances aren't getting better, they are getting worse. So I said last week before Saturday it's time to replace so a new manager can get a good look at the squad and decide what he needs to sign in January. But when I saw this today I totally despair. Any manager having to resort to relying on luck has lost the plot. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-manager-alex-neil-8952914'I've got 3 clubs promoted' - when they start talking about their CV, you know they're a dead man walking. I cannot believe we haven't pulled the trigger this week, well actually I can. Sadly I’m far from shocked |
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Post by baconburger on Dec 7, 2023 8:44:58 GMT
He lost me after the Leicester game with his timid line up playing timid football , it told me he hasn't got the nous or bottle to take us forward and it's been the same over the last 5 games Timid football gets you nowhere , get rid Get a manager who believes in attacking football and goes out to try to score as many goals as possible every game. Make it enjoyable to watch and play. Stop worrying about promotion, stop worrying about the opposition this is the championship non of them are really that good, learn to play decent football first. Teams playing decent football are far more likely to be successful than teams playing the timid football you rightly describe. |
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Post by femark on Dec 7, 2023 8:54:36 GMT
Our record after 19 matches is only better than the 2019-20 season, which is the season that Jones got sacked and we only got out of the bottom 3 for the first time on boxing day... Attachments:
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Post by jokker on Dec 7, 2023 9:01:13 GMT
I said give him till December to get a new squad performing. Performances aren't getting better, they are getting worse. So I said last week before Saturday it's time to replace so a new manager can get a good look at the squad and decide what he needs to sign in January. But when I saw this today I totally despair. Any manager having to resort to relying on luck has lost the plot. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-manager-alex-neil-8952914It's just a manner of speech, one that's used by every person in football at one time or another. It doesn't mean in any way that he's lost the plot. He may have, but not because he answers a question that Pete Smith asks of him! |
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Post by LGH87 on Dec 7, 2023 9:06:09 GMT
Our record after 19 matches is only better than the 2019-20 season, which is the season that Jones got sacked and we only got out of the bottom 3 for the first time on boxing day... How is he still in the job? |
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Post by potterpaul on Dec 7, 2023 9:31:31 GMT
Is he still here?
What's the compelling argument to stall on the rightful action. 🪓
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