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Post by danceswithclams on Dec 3, 2023 8:54:38 GMT
I don’t know what is wrong with our club. The people who own it. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 3, 2023 8:58:19 GMT
I don’t know what is wrong with our club. The people who own it. I get why people don’t want to see it but fuck me I wish they would. 7 years of head in the sand gushing over them for what in most part has been an absolute soul destroying experience. |
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Post by theporcelainpele on Dec 3, 2023 8:59:53 GMT
Made me laugh reading the quote where he basically said he can understand the frustration and anger as it’s hard to lose to late goals. LOL. It’s not how we are losing mate, it’s that we keep on fucking doing it, his record is absolute dogshit and it’s getting worse. Nobody was angry because Plymouth scored a late goal, they were angry because they’ve been subjected to this absolute pile of horseshit practically from the moment he walked through the door. It will take a miracle to turn this ship around. Praying we pull the trigger on Monday It’s the fact that 99% of our fans knew what was ultimately coming too. Bar a few games that you can count on one hand we have never got away from teams, the opposition are literally always in it until the end. Most championship teams would have been home and dry yesterday on 70 mins with the half a dozen piss easy chances their terrible defence gifted us. We are just a horrible outfit under him. |
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Post by roylandstoke on Dec 3, 2023 9:00:08 GMT
Can anyone think of a player who hasn’t got worse since Alex Neil took over?
Can anyone explain the way he wants his teams to defend: eg high line, low block, man to man etc
Can anyone explain his preferred way of attacking: to me it seems to be several square passes in our own half followed by an aimless 40 yard point to the opposition CB.
The players have no idea how to find space in his “system”. He seems to think lots of short passes magically makes you Man City, forgetting the hours of hard work that goes into making those one touch passing triangles.
Just watched the highlights of Wolves against one of the best teams in Europe and could see defensive shape, a plan in possession, and heart and hard work.
As a team we show none of these qualities.
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Post by theporcelainpele on Dec 3, 2023 9:04:52 GMT
Can anyone think of a player who hasn’t got worse since Alex Neil took over? Can anyone explain the way he wants his teams to defend: eg high line, low block, man to man etc Can anyone explain his preferred way of attacking: to me it seems to be several square passes in our own half followed by an aimless 40 yard point to the opposition CB. The players have no idea how to find space in his “system”. He seems to think lots of short passes magically makes you Man City, forgetting the hours of hard work that goes into making those one touch passing triangles. Just watched the highlights of Wolves against one of the best teams in Europe and could see defensive shape, a plan in possession, and heart and hard work. As a team we show none of these qualities. Spot on mate, someone made the point yesterday on here that it’s literally like watching a team that’s just met on the car park an hour before kick off. I’ve never seen such unorganised, clueless rubbish. That shouldn’t be happening when your boss has had over a year at the club and thousands of hours with them on the training pitch. He’s done. |
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 3, 2023 9:14:12 GMT
I don’t know what is wrong with our club. It’s not just the manager. Swapping and changing managers hasn’t worked. Alex Neil has generally been successful at this level but here it’s just not working. The same could be said for others we have had excluding Nathan. This club is a poison chalice to any manager and whoever comes in will have the same problem. Massive expectations- apathy when instant success isn’t apparent and maybe struggling to please billionaire owners creates too much pressure for players and coaches alike. We’ve lost our identity. We don’t know who we are. Yes we can blame the manager for poor decisions but it goes much deeper than that. I sometimes wish I could go back to the Vic days. We had nothing, expected nothing but had hope. I just don’t know who we are or where we are going anymore. Home games are just a bore. Pre match videos, comfortable seats and tellys to watch. Videos of us pre match. It’s like an American ethos. Give me beers in the Wheatsheaf, Gardeners, Uncle Toms, a crusty pie and a cold Boothen End surrounded by like minded working class people over this ‘match day experience’ anytime. I’m taking a break from it. It’s making me miserable. Maybe being in League One for a few seasons will sort it. We tend to find ourselves when we are on the Blackfoot and against the odds JUST BACK THE CLUB |
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Post by stoke1989 on Dec 3, 2023 9:26:15 GMT
We won't turn a corner under him, a couple of wins is only papering over cracks. players have regressed. There's no game plan.
Can we just avoid the inevitable and sack him today. Cause there is no doubt he's not going last the season.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Dec 3, 2023 9:42:37 GMT
The Bristol City game was his Nathan Jones Swansea moment.
Papering over the cracks.
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Post by bingbang on Dec 3, 2023 9:49:14 GMT
Should imagine he will get the " vote of confidence " thing first.
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Dec 3, 2023 10:11:36 GMT
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Post by biddulphchav on Dec 3, 2023 10:11:36 GMT
Made me laugh reading the quote where he basically said he can understand the frustration and anger as it’s hard to lose to late goals. LOL. It’s not how we are losing mate, it’s that we keep on fucking doing it, his record is absolute dogshit and it’s getting worse. Nobody was angry because Plymouth scored a late goal, they were angry because they’ve been subjected to this absolute pile of horseshit practically from the moment he walked through the door. It will take a miracle to turn this ship around. Praying we pull the trigger on Monday It’s the fact that 99% of our fans knew what was ultimately coming too. Bar a few games that you can count on one hand we have never got away from teams, the opposition are literally always in it until the end. Most championship teams would have been home and dry yesterday on 70 mins with the half a dozen piss easy chances their terrible defence gifted us. We are just a horrible outfit under him. I’ve have never been so sure that a team would lose a game as I was for the last 10 minutes against Plymouth. The way we were set up, and then bringing on Lowe and Baker just showed me AN thought we’d get a point and was almost treating as a training exercise. Absolute fool and that loss was 100% his fault despite him basically blaming Gooch. |
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Post by baconburger on Dec 3, 2023 10:23:25 GMT
I'd like to reframe the issue with a bit of a hypothetical scenario. We don't know what the club's FFP limitations are now, or how the management team contribute to that. I have no idea if even the extended management team - Martin, Dublin - count towards FFP? What we do know is that promotion is looking increasingly unlikely and we're going to have to prepare our budget as if the next three years are going to be in the Second Division, rather than going on a 2018-style spending spree. Here's the hypothetical: if you're in favour of sacking Neil now, would you still be in favour if the cost of paying Neil, Canning, Gallagher etc and the cost of getting a new manager in meant that we had no financial headroom for new signings in January? Let's say you're weighing that against the alternative of Neil keeping his job and signing the centre back that he wanted in the summer and a wow-factor striker. In those circumstances, would you keep or still favour sacking him? I can never understand why clubs feel the need to pay off the last managers coaching staff etc. If a new manager/head coach feels the need to bring in a whole tribe of his mates he’s not the right man. I’d allow him one assistant full stop. Are Martin and Gally even that tied to AN. Canning is the only one who follows him everywhere. I’d feel getting a manager who can work with Ricky and Jared and be more receptive to the idea of younger higher potential, less experienced players, playing a more attacking brand of football would be a better fit anyway. |
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Post by yellowsnowman on Dec 3, 2023 10:27:26 GMT
Wounded, i thought i might wake up and read hes gone. So there prepared to let this shit show carry on some more. Brilliant.
I wish they would act. Do something, come out and say something.
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Post by glpotter on Dec 3, 2023 11:04:11 GMT
Wounded, i thought i might wake up and read hes gone. So there prepared to let this shit show carry on some more. Brilliant. I wish they would act. Do something, come out and say something. They wont What’s the fuss about? |
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 3, 2023 11:20:22 GMT
They seem to have moved onto moody shots of the stadium, rather than the old school corner flags. Don't really care what the image is - as long as it's imminent.
Hughes
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Post by bagnallboothen on Dec 3, 2023 11:20:37 GMT
Can anyone think of a player who hasn’t got worse since Alex Neil took over? Can anyone explain the way he wants his teams to defend: eg high line, low block, man to man etc Can anyone explain his preferred way of attacking: to me it seems to be several square passes in our own half followed by an aimless 40 yard point to the opposition CB. The players have no idea how to find space in his “system”. He seems to think lots of short passes magically makes you Man City, forgetting the hours of hard work that goes into making those one touch passing triangles. Just watched the highlights of Wolves against one of the best teams in Europe and could see defensive shape, a plan in possession, and heart and hard work. As a team we show none of these qualities. It's not just Alex Neil is it? Have a look at Ipswich's second yesterday, started by Harry Clarke. Clarke started brightly at Stoke for a few games and progressively got worse until he was dropped, recalled and sold to league 1. We were crying out for wing backs when we had Alfie Doughty on the books, the same Doughty that's now playing regularly as a wing back in the Premier League. If you'd been on the moon for the last 6 years and just got back you could honestly believe Lambert or Rowett were still in charge. We are a complete cluster fuck and I think, like myself, a lot of posters have given up. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2023 11:23:50 GMT
5 managers in 5 calendar years, soon to be 6.
Admit it John, you haven't got a clue.
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Post by satoshi on Dec 3, 2023 11:27:17 GMT
They seem to have moved onto moody shots of the stadium, rather than the old school corner flags. Don't really care what the image is - as long as it's imminent. Hughes Lambo Rowett Jones MON Ffs you got my hopes up then 🥶 |
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Post by foxxy on Dec 3, 2023 11:30:52 GMT
I think the issue is the type of managers we are going for. The game has moved on.
Unfortunately if Neil is given the boot it will be the same again, so what’s the actual point?
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Post by nonameface on Dec 3, 2023 11:35:40 GMT
Last season it looked like Neil was going to make us a high press, high line team. When we had our purple patch that's how it was done and we looked excellent. It was obvious what we were trying to do. Surely the plan going into this season was the same?
This season he has had the chance to start the squad again and in an attacking sense apart from a forward we have lots of players who should get goals, they are technically better than what we've had since being in the premier League. Still trying to play high press, but it doesn't seem well organised, we don't win the ball as much as we need to from spending so much energy defending aggressively. Then we get picked off late in games. We have let in so many stoppable goals, it's beyond frustrating.
He's been an excellent manager before being here. We've not succeeded with manager appointments and so I hope questions are being asked about what he's trying to achieve tactically and what he's doing to get there before getting the axe out.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Dec 3, 2023 11:44:20 GMT
I don’t know what is wrong with our club. It’s not just the manager. Swapping and changing managers hasn’t worked. Alex Neil has generally been successful at this level but here it’s just not working. The same could be said for others we have had excluding Nathan. This club is a poison chalice to any manager and whoever comes in will have the same problem. Massive expectations- apathy when instant success isn’t apparent and maybe struggling to please billionaire owners creates too much pressure for players and coaches alike. We’ve lost our identity. We don’t know who we are. Yes we can blame the manager for poor decisions but it goes much deeper than that. I sometimes wish I could go back to the Vic days. We had nothing, expected nothing but had hope. I just don’t know who we are or where we are going anymore. Home games are just a bore. Pre match videos, comfortable seats and tellys to watch. Videos of us pre match. It’s like an American ethos. Give me beers in the Wheatsheaf, Gardeners, Uncle Toms, a crusty pie and a cold Boothen End surrounded by like minded working class people over this ‘match day experience’ anytime. I’m taking a break from it. It’s making me miserable. Maybe being in League One for a few seasons will sort it. We tend to find ourselves when we are on the Blackfoot and against the odds Not old enough to have seen us play at the Vic - well not enough to remember it - but I do agree with the overall point. I wouldn’t mind us being rubbish if that’s the way it was, but there’s no reason for us to be this bad. When we first came back up to the Championship in 2002, it was a battle, but a battle because we didn’t have loads of money and football was a different beast. Now there’s that much money and the landscape of football is so different, it’s simply not enjoyable if you are crap. The loan players you get now and loads different than what you got 15/20 years ago. You could get a seasoned pro who wanted game time wherever it was, now it’s young loans at premium prices to develop for the big clubs. More of an overall moan at football, I know. But it’s not the being shit that bothers me, it’s the being shit when you can’t really afford to be and there’s no reason to be. There has been very little to enjoy about being a Stoke fan for 6 years or more now. Not even a run up the league that’s lasted for a couple of months. Just dour, dull, uninspiring football. Christ knows how we are getting the “next generation” on board. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2023 11:47:59 GMT
Alex Neil has reported at the Training ground this morning to get a head start on next weeks training plan before players report back on Monday.  |
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 3, 2023 11:53:05 GMT
Was it a Monday morning the club statement came when MON was sacked?. I can live in hope it will be the same scenario tomorrow.
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Post by chigstoke on Dec 3, 2023 11:58:09 GMT
They seem to have moved onto moody shots of the stadium, rather than the old school corner flags. Don't really care what the image is - as long as it's imminent. Hughes Lambo Rowett Jones MON Shagging hell FM, saw the club statement tweet when scrolling and thought we'd actually wielded the axe till I saw the Mark Hughes bit  |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Dec 3, 2023 11:58:59 GMT
Was it a Monday morning the club statement came when MON was sacked?. I can live in hope it will be the same scenario tomorrow. Think so. I can actually see it happening. There is no way the board signed up for this sort of return from 60ish games of Neil management |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2023 12:02:48 GMT
MON was sacked on a Thursday, Jones a Friday.
Don't get your hopes up.
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 3, 2023 12:10:10 GMT
Was it a Monday morning the club statement came when MON was sacked?. I can live in hope it will be the same scenario tomorrow. Think so. I can actually see it happening. There is no way the board signed up for this sort of return from 60ish games of Neil management MON was the following Thursday at 10.45, which seemed a bit out of the blue. Just looking back, Hughes was at 8pm the evening of the Cov FA debacle - so no time to cool down and the axe was out. Rowett was on a Tuesday morning, coming off the FA Cup draw at Shrewsbury. And Jones was on a Friday morning, nearly a week after his last game at Millwall. So there is some precedent for them taking a breather, maybe making a few phonecalls and getting some ducks in a row before they get the axe out? |
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Alex Neil
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Post by biddulphchav on Dec 3, 2023 12:16:26 GMT
Yes, couldn't bomb him out quick enough for a player who clearly wouldn't piss on us if we were on fire. Add to that Bidace and Delap, two of the best performing forward players in the league right now who our club failed to manage properly and let a lesser club nail them down only to replace with Dublins duds forward line who look like they’d be more at home in the Estonian 5th division. Bidace fair enough but 90% of the fans I spoke to thought Delap was a donkey and wanted him gone. AN got pelters when he played him so can’t see how we can knock him for moving him on |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2023 12:17:04 GMT
I get why people don’t want to see it but fuck me I wish they would. 7 years of head in the sand gushing over them for what in most part has been an absolute soul destroying experience. You are telling me that having to constantly put a plaster on a club that haemorrhages money every season isn't quality ownership? I mean if we had some sort of long term strategy in place we could have been using those wasted millions on stability, fan engagement as well as many on and off the field improvements. It's not sustainable and I'm surprised bet365 ownership have allowed it to go on for this long. You can't just keep bringing a whole new backroom and coaching staff every 18 months, ripping up the previous squad and tactics and starting again. |
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Post by Gods on Dec 3, 2023 12:22:23 GMT
Think so. I can actually see it happening. There is no way the board signed up for this sort of return from 60ish games of Neil management MON was the following Thursday at 10.45, which seemed a bit out of the blue. Just looking back, Hughes was at 8pm the evening of the Cov FA debacle - so no time to cool down and the axe was out. Rowett was on a Tuesday morning, coming off the FA Cup draw at Shrewsbury. And Jones was on a Friday morning, nearly a week after his last game at Millwall. So there is some precedent for them taking a breather, maybe making a few phonecalls and getting some ducks in a row before they get the axe out? We will find out later today who our annual FA Cup Round 3 exit will be against so perhaps it will come shortly after that in January. |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Dec 3, 2023 12:22:45 GMT
Add to that Bidace and Delap, two of the best performing forward players in the league right now who our club failed to manage properly and let a lesser club nail them down only to replace with Dublins duds forward line who look like they’d be more at home in the Estonian 5th division. Bidace fair enough but 90% of the fans I spoke to thought Delap was a donkey and wanted him gone. AN got pelters when he played him so can’t see how we can knock him for moving him on Based on some of the loan players we have had, who have then gone on to bigger and better things (or least much more successful loans), we seem to be picking the right players but either at the wrong times, or just doing our usual and casting the Stoke City curse upon them. 2 x Clarke Norrington Davies Delap Bidace Harwood Bellis Ostigard |
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