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Alex Neil
Dec 2, 2023 22:03:42 GMT
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Post by itsmorethanagame on Dec 2, 2023 22:03:42 GMT
I honestly think he will be gone this week.
Unlike some I don’t dislike him, In fact I quite like him. And I still think there’s a decent manager in there somewhere.
But he’s massively under performing and it can’t carry on.
The board surprised a few when O’Neil got the chop and I reckon they will do it again this week. There’s no way they can be happy with how things are going.
I will be surprised if he’s still here by the weekend.
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Post by Olgrligm on Dec 2, 2023 22:05:01 GMT
I'd like to reframe the issue with a bit of a hypothetical scenario.
We don't know what the club's FFP limitations are now, or how the management team contribute to that. I have no idea if even the extended management team - Martin, Dublin - count towards FFP? What we do know is that promotion is looking increasingly unlikely and we're going to have to prepare our budget as if the next three years are going to be in the Second Division, rather than going on a 2018-style spending spree.
Here's the hypothetical: if you're in favour of sacking Neil now, would you still be in favour if the cost of paying Neil, Canning, Gallagher etc and the cost of getting a new manager in meant that we had no financial headroom for new signings in January? Let's say you're weighing that against the alternative of Neil keeping his job and signing the centre back that he wanted in the summer and a wow-factor striker.
In those circumstances, would you keep or still favour sacking him?
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Post by loosestools on Dec 2, 2023 22:12:41 GMT
I'd like to reframe the issue with a bit of a hypothetical scenario. We don't know what the club's FFP limitations are now, or how the management team contribute to that. I have no idea if even the extended management team - Martin, Dublin - count towards FFP? What we do know is that promotion is looking increasingly unlikely and we're going to have to prepare our budget as if the next three years are going to be in the Second Division, rather than going on a 2018-style spending spree. Here's the hypothetical: if you're in favour of sacking Neil now, would you still be in favour if the cost of paying Neil, Canning, Gallagher etc and the cost of getting a new manager in meant that we had no financial headroom for new signings in January? Let's say you're weighing that against the alternative of Neil keeping his job and signing the centre back that he wanted in the summer and a wow-factor striker. In those circumstances, would you keep or still favour sacking him? As as you say we dont know if FFP includes the contracts of Neil and his entourage. Does it include every person on the books? Its a good point you have made but what would be the cost of relegation? The lower our league position is makes it less attractive for decent signings to come in so on that basis I would get rid and bring someone in to to a recuse before January. |
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Post by wearestoke80 on Dec 2, 2023 22:13:48 GMT
I do feel sorry for him because him because I think he is a good manager and a sound bloke but time is running out.
We can’t hit a barn door and our defending is absolutely shite.
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Post by superpotter on Dec 2, 2023 22:20:10 GMT
I don’t think he’s a good manager and I don’t feel sorry for him , he tries to be too clever keeps going on about how much experience he’s got in certain situations and believes he’s great when he’s not
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Post by loosestools on Dec 2, 2023 22:25:23 GMT
I don’t think he’s a good manager and I don’t feel sorry for him , he tries to be too clever keeps going on about how much experience he’s got in certain situations and believes he’s great when he’s not Yes, he's a con man. |
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Alex Neil
Dec 2, 2023 22:27:44 GMT
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Post by smallthorner on Dec 2, 2023 22:27:44 GMT
I'd like to reframe the issue with a bit of a hypothetical scenario. We don't know what the club's FFP limitations are now, or how the management team contribute to that. I have no idea if even the extended management team - Martin, Dublin - count towards FFP? What we do know is that promotion is looking increasingly unlikely and we're going to have to prepare our budget as if the next three years are going to be in the Second Division, rather than going on a 2018-style spending spree. Here's the hypothetical: if you're in favour of sacking Neil now, would you still be in favour if the cost of paying Neil, Canning, Gallagher etc and the cost of getting a new manager in meant that we had no financial headroom for new signings in January? Let's say you're weighing that against the alternative of Neil keeping his job and signing the centre back that he wanted in the summer and a wow-factor striker. In those circumstances, would you keep or still favour sacking him? Keep |
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Post by spiderpuss on Dec 2, 2023 22:29:17 GMT
I'd like to reframe the issue with a bit of a hypothetical scenario. We don't know what the club's FFP limitations are now, or how the management team contribute to that. I have no idea if even the extended management team - Martin, Dublin - count towards FFP? What we do know is that promotion is looking increasingly unlikely and we're going to have to prepare our budget as if the next three years are going to be in the Second Division, rather than going on a 2018-style spending spree. Here's the hypothetical: if you're in favour of sacking Neil now, would you still be in favour if the cost of paying Neil, Canning, Gallagher etc and the cost of getting a new manager in meant that we had no financial headroom for new signings in January? Let's say you're weighing that against the alternative of Neil keeping his job and signing the centre back that he wanted in the summer and a wow-factor striker. In those circumstances, would you keep or still favour sacking him? Keep Smallthorne, near Burslem init? |
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Post by march4 on Dec 2, 2023 22:32:51 GMT
I honestly think he will be gone this week. Unlike some I don’t dislike him, In fact I quite like him. And I still think there’s a decent manager in there somewhere. But he’s massively under performing and it can’t carry on. The board surprised a few when O’Neil got the chop and I reckon they will do it again this week. There’s no way they can be happy with how things are going. I will be surprised if he’s still here by the weekend. Prepare to be surprised. |
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Post by pretzel on Dec 2, 2023 22:33:16 GMT
If we've got to keep him, could we bring someone else in to teach him how to manage properly?  |
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Post by h3nd0 on Dec 2, 2023 22:38:11 GMT
considering the hype of this season with an entirely new squad at his disposal we are totally under performing. we have given him time to adjust with the new players to find the best squad but with the record we currently got sitting 20th when we should be at least hovering around the playoffs is totally not acceptable. I like him as a manager and I want him to succeed but how long can he actually be given..? this season is pretty much becoming another write off for promotion chance unless we somehow get a unbeaten run going but that looks far from happening. the 1st game of the season hopes have soon been put to bed and I think AN time really is up. Fans are turning against him this constant squad changing is obviously hurting us.! anything less than a playoff place is a failure we shouldn't be struggling with the squad that we have.!
after match summary's are becoming just like the previous managers that have come & gone, same excuses, same poor results..!
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Post by iglugluk on Dec 2, 2023 22:39:05 GMT
Even though I think he should be axed I will be extremely surprised if JC is even thinking about it yet.
I reckon he's going nowhere for the time being.
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Alex Neil
Dec 2, 2023 22:44:13 GMT
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Post by smallthorner on Dec 2, 2023 22:44:13 GMT
Smallthorne, near Burslem init? Don't be silly mate. My family have been supporting Stoke for 120 years. |
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Alex Neil
Dec 2, 2023 22:47:02 GMT
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Post by citynickscfc on Dec 2, 2023 22:47:02 GMT
I do feel sorry for him because him because I think he is a good manager and a sound bloke but time is running out. We can’t hit a barn door and our defending is absolutely shite. We need to stop feeling sorry for multi millionaire managers who just fail at stoke. This goes back to fucking Lambert doesn't it |
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Alex Neil
Dec 2, 2023 22:48:48 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2023 22:48:48 GMT
I don’t think he’s a good manager and I don’t feel sorry for him , he tries to be too clever keeps going on about how much experience he’s got in certain situations and believes he’s great when he’s not Yeah he’s got the arrogance that his track record doesn’t back up. Arguably worse than Rowett/Jones. |
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Post by mhbsurf on Dec 2, 2023 22:51:44 GMT
After the response from the travelling fans today and after the last two shit shows. It’s obvious to me AN is an incompetent twat and the team don’t want to play for him. As said previously. A management that are clearly makes a players worse, in every respect, eg Pearson, baker, vidigal and many more aren’t doing the basics right. So that can all fuck off as far as I’m concerned. When a team stops playing for the manager that’s brought them to the club then you’re fucked. Fuck knows what happens next other than fucking off the owners……..
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 2, 2023 23:01:58 GMT
Could you imagine if we could play football like this ...
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Alex Neil
Dec 2, 2023 23:13:22 GMT
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Post by ChesterStokie on Dec 2, 2023 23:13:22 GMT
Could you imagine if we could play football like this ... That build up had shades of the Carlos Alberto goal, Mexico 70. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 2, 2023 23:28:31 GMT
Could you imagine if we could play football like this ... With Harry Clarke involved, who we should have stuck with last season............. |
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Post by danceswithclams on Dec 3, 2023 7:32:48 GMT
Just woke up.
Is the Aloof Potato still here?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2023 7:39:01 GMT
Could you imagine if we could play football like this ... With Harry Clarke involved, who we should have stuck with last season............. Yes, couldn't bomb him out quick enough for a player who clearly wouldn't piss on us if we were on fire. |
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Post by gogogadget on Dec 3, 2023 7:53:58 GMT
Walker from the middle of the pitch
Straight to the tunnel , head looking at the ground, never once looked at the fans, raised a hand, or acknowledged us
Piss poor
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Post by kaney78 on Dec 3, 2023 8:03:31 GMT
If he is not sacked either tonight or before Monday things could turn very toxic next Saturday. I thought it was pretty toxic at fulltime yesterday,never really seen players and manager get booed like that before too often. |
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Post by professorplump on Dec 3, 2023 8:08:37 GMT
Not sure if this is true or not but I have heard that Alex Neil was kidnapped on his last day working for Sunderland and was replaced with Ross Kemp. The real Alex Neil is now making a documentary in Afghanistan.
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Post by theporcelainpele on Dec 3, 2023 8:13:48 GMT
Smallthorne, near Burslem init? Don't be silly mate. My family have been supporting Stoke for 120 years. And you want even more years of crap and failure. Wow. |
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Post by theporcelainpele on Dec 3, 2023 8:20:45 GMT
With Harry Clarke involved, who we should have stuck with last season............. Yes, couldn't bomb him out quick enough for a player who clearly wouldn't piss on us if we were on fire. Add to that Bidace and Delap, two of the best performing forward players in the league right now who our club failed to manage properly and let a lesser club nail them down only to replace with Dublins duds forward line who look like they’d be more at home in the Estonian 5th division. |
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Post by questionable on Dec 3, 2023 8:26:52 GMT
I do feel sorry for him because him because I think he is a good manager and a sound bloke but time is running out. We can’t hit a barn door and our defending is absolutely shite. But the facts prove here he’s not a good manager, honestly I can only think of an handful of good games he’s overseen I’ve enjoyedd. The bloke hasn’t got a clue and that’s being generous to him, one of the worst managers in stokes history imo. |
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Post by theporcelainpele on Dec 3, 2023 8:37:39 GMT
I do feel sorry for him because him because I think he is a good manager and a sound bloke but time is running out. We can’t hit a barn door and our defending is absolutely shite. But the facts prove here he’s not a good manager, honestly I can only think of an handful of good games he’s overseen I’ve enjoyedd. The bloke hasn’t got a clue and that’s being generous to him, one of the worst managers in stokes history imo. His time was up during that second half yesterday. There is literally nothing whatsoever to build on. To go to volleying it out of defence (under no pressure whatsoever btw) back to their centre back and keeper shows that the team has totally lost it, there wasn’t one little attempt to play any football or to pass the ball and build phases. They have no game plan at all. He cannot manage this group of players one bit. Maybe he’d do well with 23 other lads somewhere but not right here right now. We are only going one way. We can’t defend we can’t attack we can’t pass, our substitutions and game management is a car crash (how many injury time goals has he conceded both first and second half stoppage time) Stoke City need a manager that can get these players playing half decent stuff and we’ll be fine. Alex Neil is not the man, 100%. |
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Post by biddulphchav on Dec 3, 2023 8:42:09 GMT
Made me laugh reading the quote where he basically said he can understand the frustration and anger as it’s hard to lose to late goals. LOL. It’s not how we are losing mate, it’s that we keep on fucking doing it, his record is absolute dogshit and it’s getting worse. Nobody was angry because Plymouth scored a late goal, they were angry because they’ve been subjected to this absolute pile of horseshit practically from the moment he walked through the door.
It will take a miracle to turn this ship around. Praying we pull the trigger on Monday
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Post by stokiesteve on Dec 3, 2023 8:44:22 GMT
I don’t know what is wrong with our club.
It’s not just the manager. Swapping and changing managers hasn’t worked. Alex Neil has generally been successful at this level but here it’s just not working. The same could be said for others we have had excluding Nathan.
This club is a poison chalice to any manager and whoever comes in will have the same problem.
Massive expectations- apathy when instant success isn’t apparent and maybe struggling to please billionaire owners creates too much pressure for players and coaches alike. We’ve lost our identity. We don’t know who we are. Yes we can blame the manager for poor decisions but it goes much deeper than that.
I sometimes wish I could go back to the Vic days. We had nothing, expected nothing but had hope. I just don’t know who we are or where we are going anymore. Home games are just a bore. Pre match videos, comfortable seats and tellys to watch. Videos of us pre match. It’s like an American ethos.
Give me beers in the Wheatsheaf, Gardeners, Uncle Toms, a crusty pie and a cold Boothen End surrounded by like minded working class people over this ‘match day experience’ anytime. I’m taking a break from it. It’s making me miserable. Maybe being in League One for a few seasons will sort it. We tend to find ourselves when we are on the Blackfoot and against the odds
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