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Post by Gods on Sept 9, 2023 22:49:07 GMT
Can we judge him on last season, the reason he came to Stoke was because he was told he could overall the club from top to bottom. He was going through the motions last season because he knew a vast majority of the players wouldnt be here for this season. Why on earth would he 'go through the motions'? Crystal Palace were in the relegation zone when they hired Roy Hodgson last season shortly after we hired AN and he coached their existing squad to a mid-table Prem finish and they have kicked on this season. Management is about getting the most out of what you have at least as much as it is about just firing everyone and bringing in a new team. I mean who gets to do that? AN does need to start to produce some better outcomes 'quick smart' as they say stateside. Our last 4 league games have gone L,W,L,L and we haven't played anyone yet. |
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Post by independent on Sept 9, 2023 23:02:13 GMT
Can we judge him on last season, the reason he came to Stoke was because he was told he could overall the club from top to bottom. He was going through the motions last season because he knew a vast majority of the players wouldnt be here for this season. Isn't this the same man who told us to expect promotion either last season or this one when he arrived. Look he is going to get this season at least and I don't think any judgement can be attempted before Chrismas. But losing 3 of his 5 games is not encouraging, especially as it matches his results from last year. This is the guy who told us that he knew our problems and they were easily fixed. We will have a better idea at Christmas if he has managed to do so. |
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Sept 9, 2023 23:06:47 GMT
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Post by wilcopotter on Sept 9, 2023 23:06:47 GMT
Can we judge him on last season, the reason he came to Stoke was because he was told he could overall the club from top to bottom. He was going through the motions last season because he knew a vast majority of the players wouldnt be here for this season. If he was going through the motions then he shouldn't have been here. Ridiculous excuse for his awful record since arriving Glad to see you back with your positivity. |
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Sept 10, 2023 7:32:07 GMT
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Post by thornestein on Sept 10, 2023 7:32:07 GMT
behave FFS so many changes what do you expect...give him and his players time...so we should fuck him off get a new manager in who will want to implement on getting his own players in..give ya head a wobble have i said any of that , but the fact is he hasn’t had a great start , so go wobble your own fat head |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2023 7:47:42 GMT
We are all aware that the next cab off the rank, in the event of an Alex Neil failure, is Chris Wilder aren't we?
The family rate him, have tried to get him twice before and is now free and available with links to Dublin.
Be careful what you wish for?
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Sept 10, 2023 7:51:21 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 10, 2023 7:51:21 GMT
We are all aware that the next cab off the rank, in the event of an Alex Neil failure, is Chris Wilder don't we? The family rate him, have tried to get him twice before and is now free and available with links to Dublin. Be careful what you wish for? As they did Nathan Jones |
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Post by vidigal7 on Sept 10, 2023 9:06:37 GMT
Can we judge him on last season, the reason he came to Stoke was because he was told he could overall the club from top to bottom. He was going through the motions last season because he knew a vast majority of the players wouldnt be here for this season. I think the vast majority of the players knew they wouldn't be here aswell, useless bunch of misfits brought in by ffp restrictions. Anybody would have been hard pressed to get a tune out of them |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 10, 2023 9:14:11 GMT
With how foreign we've gone with the players, would it be out of the question to do the same with the manager?.. AN is okay for now it seems but he needs to get this sorted out in the next couple of months or else he'll be in trouble come Christmas time imo.
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Sept 10, 2023 9:28:53 GMT
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 10, 2023 9:28:53 GMT
If he was going through the motions then he shouldn't have been here. Ridiculous excuse for his awful record since arriving Glad to see you back with your positivity. I should have said, he was bidind his time, instead of going through the motions. |
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Sept 10, 2023 9:29:21 GMT
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 10, 2023 9:29:21 GMT
With how foreign we've gone with the players, would it be out of the question to do the same with the manager?.. AN is okay for now it seems but he needs to get this sorted out in the next couple of months or else he'll be in trouble come Christmas time imo. It would be interesting to see if Jared Google could use his stats analysis on managers, because I can fully envision him finding some manager we've never heard of before from Chile or something. |
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Sept 10, 2023 9:31:20 GMT
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Post by vidigal7 on Sept 10, 2023 9:31:20 GMT
...and if we don't happen to be in the dogfight that you appear to be eagerly relishing, you will go back into hiding as you do whenever Stoke win but will then miraculously reappear if we lose a couple on the bounce Why are you ALWAYS so negative? - genuine question 50 years of managed expectation 😉 I just think he was the wrong choice abd hsve since day 1 and so far he’s done zero to prove me wrong but it’s wrong to say I disappear I’ve given him loads of credit on the occassions he’s done well but there just haven’t been enough Out of interest, what do you think of quality the players you've seen so far this season and the signings made? |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 10, 2023 9:41:18 GMT
With how foreign we've gone with the players, would it be out of the question to do the same with the manager?.. AN is okay for now it seems but he needs to get this sorted out in the next couple of months or else he'll be in trouble come Christmas time imo. Neil, Tricky and Jared come as a package I'd have thought, hence I don't see a change of manager happening for quite some time. |
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Sept 10, 2023 10:03:13 GMT
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Post by gingerninja on Sept 10, 2023 10:03:13 GMT
Given the massive influx of players this summer, he is entitled to a settling in period to blend his best team for sure, but by say November, we really need to see some consistency and improved results?.
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Sept 10, 2023 10:14:28 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 10, 2023 10:14:28 GMT
Glad to see you back with your positivity. I should have said, he was bidind his time, instead of going through the motions. So we should all say what a great job he's doing after a year in charge when it simply isn't true and kid ourselves it will all be great ? The signings look good on paper but even after 5 games he looks as clueless as before they came in. Is a results business and he's totally failed to produce any after a year in charge . With the depth he has, he's still been outsmarted by other managers already, 3 times this season but hey, there's so much to be positive about in that and let's keep rolling out more excuses for him. The last manager had a massive injury list, got higher points per game but was sacked and rightly so. Didn't see many making excuses there. He inherited an other manager's players as well but didn't get the constant excuses after yet another defeat. |
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Post by Biblical on Sept 10, 2023 10:23:57 GMT
Can we judge him on last season, the reason he came to Stoke was because he was told he could overall the club from top to bottom. He was going through the motions last season because he knew a vast majority of the players wouldnt be here for this season. Why on earth would he 'go through the motions'? Crystal Palace were in the relegation zone when they hired Roy Hodgson last season shortly after we hired AN and he coached their existing squad to a mid-table Prem finish and they have kicked on this season. Management is about getting the most out of what you have at least as much as it is about just firing everyone and bringing in a new team. I mean who gets to do that? AN does need to start to produce some better outcomes 'quick smart' as they say stateside. Our last 4 league games have gone L,W,L,L and we haven't played anyone yet. I agree with what you say that management is about getting the most out of what you have but with the squad we’ve had in recent seasons I don’t think there was anything ‘more’ to get out of them. We’ve just constantly looked like a side that finished in the bottom half of the Championship, completely on merit. I also think saying we haven’t played anyone yet is harsh, whilst it’s still early days the Championship is a really tough division and to have played 5 games and won 4 of them like Preston and Ipswich have shows they are no mugs. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 10, 2023 10:57:29 GMT
We are all aware that the next cab off the rank, in the event of an Alex Neil failure, is Chris Wilder don't we? The family rate him, have tried to get him twice before and is now free and available with links to Dublin. Be careful what you wish for? By the time we get there we’ll be happy with anyine with a pulse people dint want Pulis or hughes and they did ok from very differing backgrounds career wise, sadly if it comes to it it will be because this management team dublin included will hsve set us bsvk another 2 or three years |
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Sept 10, 2023 11:02:32 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 10, 2023 11:02:32 GMT
Hyaduck was the most sensible person on here all along
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Sept 10, 2023 11:36:57 GMT
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Post by vidigal7 on Sept 10, 2023 11:36:57 GMT
We are all aware that the next cab off the rank, in the event of an Alex Neil failure, is Chris Wilder don't we? The family rate him, have tried to get him twice before and is now free and available with links to Dublin. Be careful what you wish for? By the time we get there we’ll be happy with anyine with a pulse people dint want Pulis or hughes and they did ok from very differing backgrounds career wise, sadly if it comes to it it will be because this management team dublin included will hsve set us bsvk another 2 or three years The transfer window closed 2nd of September it's now the 10th, you're pathetic. Odds on you're as depressive in day to day life as you are preaching doom on here |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 10, 2023 11:39:21 GMT
Given the massive influx of players this summer, he is entitled to a settling in period to blend his best team for sure, but by say November, we really need to see some consistency and improved results?. I think we'll run hot and cold until Xmas at least. We've demonstrated already we are capable of battering teams and also losing as a result of defensive lapses and an inability to turn possession into goals. I think that's going to be the pattern for the first half of the season until we bed in and the best combination of players starts to emerge. If we are mid table come Xmas there is nothing to stop us making a bid for a play off place should we get some consistency in the second half of the season. I really think we have the quality in the squad and it's all a matter of forging an effective team. |
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Post by Clayton Wood on Sept 10, 2023 11:57:14 GMT
Stoke City Matches PPM
(Aug 28, 2022) contracted Jun 30, 2025 50 1.28
Sunderland
(Feb 11, 2022) - (Aug 27, 2022) 24 1.88
Preston North End
(Jul 4, 2017) - (Mar 21, 2021) 191 1.39
Norwich City
(Jan 9, 2015) - (Mar 10, 2017) 108 1.44
Hamilton Academical FC
(May 25, 2013) - (Jan 9, 2015) 70 1.83
(excludes caretaker/U17 matches)
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Sept 10, 2023 12:43:43 GMT
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Post by lordb on Sept 10, 2023 12:43:43 GMT
Stoke City Matches PPM (Aug 28, 2022) contracted Jun 30, 2025 50 1.28 Sunderland (Feb 11, 2022) - (Aug 27, 2022) 24 1.88 Preston North End (Jul 4, 2017) - (Mar 21, 2021) 191 1.39 Norwich City (Jan 9, 2015) - (Mar 10, 2017) 108 1.44 Hamilton Academical FC (May 25, 2013) - (Jan 9, 2015) 70 1.83 (excludes caretaker/U17 matches) This in itself demonstrates the hand he had to deal with last season was a poor one Be interesting to see a comparison at the end of the season |
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Sept 10, 2023 13:07:51 GMT
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 10, 2023 13:07:51 GMT
but these are his players let's judge him on that Amazing how 40 games can be ignored Let's judge him on the job he came to do and do so far he's lost 62% of the games he's been in charge. I judge managers personally on what they do, not what I hope they might do. The not his players excuse was rolled out every week for a year almost, now it's give them time to gel. He's lost 3 games already and got more than enough players to pick an 11 from. Was his remit not to see what we've got then gut the squad keeping hold of those he thinks are good enough, and rebuild while keeping the budget in line with current circumstances (FFP etc)? If it is then I'd suggest he's not even half way through the job he came here to do. |
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Sept 10, 2023 13:18:21 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 10, 2023 13:18:21 GMT
Amazing how 40 games can be ignored Let's judge him on the job he came to do and do so far he's lost 62% of the games he's been in charge. I judge managers personally on what they do, not what I hope they might do. The not his players excuse was rolled out every week for a year almost, now it's give them time to gel. He's lost 3 games already and got more than enough players to pick an 11 from. Was his remit not to see what we've got then gut the squad keeping hold of those he thinks are good enough, and rebuild while keeping the budget in line with current circumstances (FFP etc)? If it is then I'd suggest he's not even half way through the job he came here to do. I think is squad is pretty good, very good in fact. A good manager can pick 11 from that and know how line up against certain teams , after all he signed each one of them for a certain role and they all wear the same shirt. 3 times so far he's made the same error. The Rotherham games are certainly papering the cracks so far, this early in |
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Post by Clayton Wood on Sept 10, 2023 13:20:20 GMT
Stoke City Matches PPM (Aug 28, 2022) contracted Jun 30, 2025 50 1.28 Sunderland (Feb 11, 2022) - (Aug 27, 2022) 24 1.88 Preston North End (Jul 4, 2017) - (Mar 21, 2021) 191 1.39 Norwich City (Jan 9, 2015) - (Mar 10, 2017) 108 1.44 Hamilton Academical FC (May 25, 2013) - (Jan 9, 2015) 70 1.83 (excludes caretaker/U17 matches) This in itself demonstrates the hand he had to deal with last season was a poor one Be interesting to see a comparison at the end of the season I made no comment when I posted it as each will draw their own conclusions. He's admitted this is the first time he's taken over and had to build the squad himself (probably true for the vast majority of managers). Sunderland, over a short course, seems to be a positive blip. |
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Sept 10, 2023 13:26:03 GMT
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Post by thornestein on Sept 10, 2023 13:26:03 GMT
With how foreign we've gone with the players, would it be out of the question to do the same with the manager?.. AN is okay for now it seems but he needs to get this sorted out in the next couple of months or else he'll be in trouble come Christmas time imo. It would be interesting to see if Jared Google could use his stats analysis on managers, because I can fully envision him finding some manager we've never heard of before from Chile or something. it’s not proven with the players just yet , need see how that pans out before trying a manager by data methods |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 10, 2023 14:14:36 GMT
This in itself demonstrates the hand he had to deal with last season was a poor one Be interesting to see a comparison at the end of the season I made no comment when I posted it as each will draw their own conclusions. He's admitted this is the first time he's taken over and had to build the squad himself (probably true for the vast majority of managers). Sunderland, over a short course, seems to be a positive blip. He did a good job to varying degrees at every club he’s managed prior to us. |
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Post by Gawa on Sept 10, 2023 14:14:42 GMT
Amazing how 40 games can be ignored Let's judge him on the job he came to do and do so far he's lost 62% of the games he's been in charge. I judge managers personally on what they do, not what I hope they might do. The not his players excuse was rolled out every week for a year almost, now it's give them time to gel. He's lost 3 games already and got more than enough players to pick an 11 from. Was his remit not to see what we've got then gut the squad keeping hold of those he thinks are good enough, and rebuild while keeping the budget in line with current circumstances (FFP etc)? If it is then I'd suggest he's not even half way through the job he came here to do. In his own words I think it was "to get this team out of the division this season or next". He doesn't have the best history with integrity though so maybe that was a lie. |
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Sept 10, 2023 14:46:49 GMT
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Post by vidigal7 on Sept 10, 2023 14:46:49 GMT
Given the massive influx of players this summer, he is entitled to a settling in period to blend his best team for sure, but by say November, we really need to see some consistency and improved results?. I think we'll run hot and cold until Xmas at least. We've demonstrated already we are capable of battering teams and also losing as a result of defensive lapses and an inability to turn possession into goals. I think that's going to be the pattern for the first half of the season until we bed in and the best combination of players starts to emerge. If we are mid table come Xmas there is nothing to stop us making a bid for a play off place should we get some consistency in the second half of the season. I really think we have the quality in the squad and it's all a matter of forging an effective team. We will be in mid table at least by Christmas I'm pretty confident of that, we're a totally different out fit now. We've brought in good players with qualities hand picked by the manager to play a style and a brand of football he's already promoted two teams with. The fans asked for root and branch, the owners have done the root and branch, the fans asked us to be braver in the foreign market and the owners have been braver in the foreign market, they've even changed the recruitment team in hopes of giving us a helping hand in success rates of these foreign transfers and future deals. The fans want a pressing, hard working team that scores goals, this is exactly what Alex Neil intends to do when the players have settled, weve specifally hand picked players to play just like that. I don't know what else some people expect. Wanting all the changes and foreign signings then not wanting to give it time to bed in and start to produce. It's about time the fans cut a bit of slack and have a bit of faith that we are going to be moving in the right direction. What is the rush to get back to the Premiership anyway, this league is far more balanced and even, enjoy the ride |
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Sept 10, 2023 15:09:44 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 10, 2023 15:09:44 GMT
I think we'll run hot and cold until Xmas at least. We've demonstrated already we are capable of battering teams and also losing as a result of defensive lapses and an inability to turn possession into goals. I think that's going to be the pattern for the first half of the season until we bed in and the best combination of players starts to emerge. If we are mid table come Xmas there is nothing to stop us making a bid for a play off place should we get some consistency in the second half of the season. I really think we have the quality in the squad and it's all a matter of forging an effective team. We will be in mid table at least by Christmas I'm pretty confident of that, we're a totally different out fit now. We've brought in good players with qualities hand picked by the manager to play a style and a brand of football he's already promoted two teams with. The fans asked for root and branch, the owners have done the root and branch, the fans asked us to be braver in the foreign market and the owners have been braver in the foreign market, they've even changed the recruitment team in hopes of giving us a helping hand in success rates of these foreign transfers and future deals. The fans want a pressing, hard working team that scores goals, this is exactly what Alex Neil intends to do when the players have settled, weve specifally hand picked players to play just like that. I don't know what else some people expect. Wanting all the changes and foreign signings then not wanting to give it time to bed in and start to produce. It's about time the fans cut a bit of slack and have a bit of faith that we are going to be moving in the right direction. What is the rush to get back to the Premiership anyway, this league is far more balanced and even, enjoy the ride The rush to get back to the Prem is the reason he was poached, paid big money to come here and given the budget and free reign to sign so many players This league is awful, the football is terrible, painful to watch. Again, you're getting angry with those who have no faith in him but backing up your argument with blind hope vs fact. I hope you're right but fear another Rowett scenario , lots of players in and no product at the end of it. The difference being for me though that there are some good players here for someone more capable to work with should it come to that and think it will by Xmas |
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Sept 10, 2023 15:17:30 GMT
With how foreign we've gone with the players, would it be out of the question to do the same with the manager?.. AN is okay for now it seems but he needs to get this sorted out in the next couple of months or else he'll be in trouble come Christmas time imo. Neil, Tricky and Jared come as a package I'd have thought, hence I don't see a change of manager happening for quite some time. I don't think they do? Jared was at Sheffield United then briefly at Reading? Tricky "He will take up his new role with the Potters next Monday and, like Neil, will report directly to John Coates." (Stated on his appointment) |
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