Alex Neil

[tommycarlsberg]

Sept 9, 2023 9:51:30 GMT The Toxic Avenger said:

Sept 9, 2023 9:30:40 GMT tommycarlsberg said:

I would like to think he is expendable with Ricky, Jared and John running things. Can Jared recruit head coaches too?

It remains to be seen whether that’s actually how it’ll work though doesn’t it? It’s how it should work, but given Ricky is AN’s man there’s no guarantee it’s not a package deal.

Correct. Though should AN part ways and Ricky went you’d be scratching your eyes out. Just doesn’t happen anymore does it?

I’d hope Ricky would go full Tom Wambsgan’s on Alex, I quite like him.

[milton58]

Sept 9, 2023 9:13:24 GMT jesusmcmuffin said:

Sept 6, 2023 18:34:10 GMT milton58 said:

4 games in FFS give the bloke time to find is best 11 you wobble

Nearly 50 games actually and we sacked our manager how many games in last season?

what with the same players

[jesusmcmuffin]

Sept 9, 2023 10:26:07 GMT milton58 said:

Sept 9, 2023 9:13:24 GMT jesusmcmuffin said:

Nearly 50 games actually and we sacked our manager how many games in last season?

what with the same players

He was still manager , excuses aside .

[The Toxic Avenger]

Sept 9, 2023 10:11:38 GMT thevoid said:

Sept 9, 2023 9:51:30 GMT The Toxic Avenger said:

It remains to be seen whether that’s actually how it’ll work though doesn’t it? It’s how it should work, but given Ricky is AN’s man there’s no guarantee it’s not a package deal.

Would you quit an extremely well paid job because your mate had left?

‘Quitting’ doesn’t really come into it does it?

[milton58]

Sept 9, 2023 10:40:37 GMT jesusmcmuffin said:

Sept 9, 2023 10:26:07 GMT milton58 said:

what with the same players

He was still manager , excuses aside .

but these are his players let's judge him on that

[thornestein]

Sept 9, 2023 15:49:41 GMT milton58 said:

Sept 9, 2023 10:40:37 GMT jesusmcmuffin said:

He was still manager , excuses aside .

but these are his players let's judge him on that

not a great start really

[milton58]

Sept 9, 2023 15:56:51 GMT thornestein said:

Sept 9, 2023 15:49:41 GMT milton58 said:

but these are his players let's judge him on that

not a great start really

behave FFS so many changes what do you expect...give him and his players time...so we should fuck him off get a new manager in who will want to implement on getting his own players in..give ya head a wobble

[baconburger]

Sept 9, 2023 16:18:01 GMT milton58 said:

Sept 9, 2023 15:56:51 GMT thornestein said:

not a great start really

behave FFS so many changes what do you expect...give him and his players time...so we should fuck him off get a new manager in who will want to implement on getting his own players in..give ya head a wobble

You seem to be arguing with a position that hasn’t been advocated. Results in his 12 months so far simply haven’t been good enough and I hope and feel he thinks the same himself. Is there actually anyone saying we should fuck him off? I think the job of transforming the squad has only been partially completed. I expect a better season than last particularly at home. If he provides that I’d be quite happy for him to have next Summer to finish the job, as much as it’s ever finished.

[idle]

Do you know many points Pulis picked up in his first season of his second spell?

We got 6 points in the first 5 games. And 9 in the first 10.

Give AN time. The season is long (and hard).

[jesusmcmuffin]

Sept 9, 2023 15:49:41 GMT milton58 said:

Sept 9, 2023 10:40:37 GMT jesusmcmuffin said:

He was still manager , excuses aside .

but these are his players let's judge him on that

Amazing how 40 games can be ignored

Let's judge him on the job he came to do and do so far he's lost 62% of the games he's been in charge. I judge managers personally on what they do, not what I hope they might do.

The not his players excuse was rolled out every week for a year almost, now it's give them time to gel. He's lost 3 games already and got more than enough players to pick an 11 from.

[milton58]

Sept 9, 2023 17:58:57 GMT jesusmcmuffin said:

Sept 9, 2023 15:49:41 GMT milton58 said:

but these are his players let's judge him on that

Amazing how 40 games can be ignored

Let's judge him on the job he came to do and do so far he's lost 62% of the games he's been in charge. I judge managers personally on what they do, not what I hope they might do.

The not his players excuse was rolled out every week for a year almost, now it's give them time to gel. He's lost 3 games already and got more than enough players to pick an 11 from.

ok fella let's just fuck em off....next manager please let's fuck em off

[vidigal7]

Sept 9, 2023 17:58:57 GMT jesusmcmuffin said:

Sept 9, 2023 15:49:41 GMT milton58 said:

but these are his players let's judge him on that

Amazing how 40 games can be ignored

Let's judge him on the job he came to do and do so far he's lost 62% of the games he's been in charge. I judge managers personally on what they do, not what I hope they might do.

The not his players excuse was rolled out every week for a year almost, now it's give them time to gel. He's lost 3 games already and got more than enough players to pick an 11 from.

I think the last paragraph is quite interesting, Stoke as a club for years now have not had a club football style, we've gone from one style of manager to another style of manager to another style of manager and at the same time been horrendous in the market. As a result we've ended up with a complete shambles of a squad there were not particularly good at anything.

Neil has come in, got to the window where we can make major changes, they are major changes aswell, a whole new squad nearly. Can we not at least give it chance to establish and work together for a few months before drawing premature conclusions?

Look at that squad on paper now, these players have been brought in to play a particular way, they've been hand picked for to fit into a particular role in a style of football we want to establish.


For the first time in absolutely ages I'm excited about watching the end product when they've got to know and understand each other as players and as people.

[milton58]

Sept 9, 2023 16:34:10 GMT baconburger said:

Sept 9, 2023 16:18:01 GMT milton58 said:

behave FFS so many changes what do you expect...give him and his players time...so we should fuck him off get a new manager in who will want to implement on getting his own players in..give ya head a wobble

You seem to be arguing with a position that hasn’t been advocated. Results in his 12 months so far simply haven’t been good enough and I hope and feel he thinks the same himself. Is there actually anyone saying we should fuck him off? I think the job of transforming the squad has only been partially completed. I expect a better season than last particularly at home. If he provides that I’d be quite happy for him to have next Summer to finish the job, as much as it’s ever finished.

alot of posts from someone new to the board crack on son

[milton58]

Sept 9, 2023 18:21:47 GMT vidigal7 said:

Sept 9, 2023 17:58:57 GMT jesusmcmuffin said:

Amazing how 40 games can be ignored

Let's judge him on the job he came to do and do so far he's lost 62% of the games he's been in charge. I judge managers personally on what they do, not what I hope they might do.

The not his players excuse was rolled out every week for a year almost, now it's give them time to gel. He's lost 3 games already and got more than enough players to pick an 11 from.

I think the last paragraph is quite interesting, Stoke as a club for years now have not had a club football style, we've gone from one style of manager to another style of manager to another style of manager and at the same time been horrendous in the market. As a result we've ended up with a complete shambles of a squad there were not particularly good at anything.

Neil has come in, got to the window where we can make major changes, they are major changes aswell, a whole new squad nearly. Can we not at least give it chance to establish and work together for a few months before drawing premature conclusions?

Look at that squad on paper now, these players have been brought in to play a particular way, they've been hand picked for to fit into a particular role in a style of football we want to establish.


For the first time in absolutely ages I'm excited about watching the end product when they've got to know and understand each other as a team and as players

wtf you on about he's a wank manager according to many in here we've lost three games FFS...thank you for someone with common sense on here

[vidigal7]

Sept 9, 2023 18:25:14 GMT milton58 said:

Sept 9, 2023 18:21:47 GMT vidigal7 said:

I think the last paragraph is quite interesting, Stoke as a club for years now have not had a club football style, we've gone from one style of manager to another style of manager to another style of manager and at the same time been horrendous in the market. As a result we've ended up with a complete shambles of a squad there were not particularly good at anything.

Neil has come in, got to the window where we can make major changes, they are major changes aswell, a whole new squad nearly. Can we not at least give it chance to establish and work together for a few months before drawing premature conclusions?

Look at that squad on paper now, these players have been brought in to play a particular way, they've been hand picked for to fit into a particular role in a style of football we want to establish.


For the first time in absolutely ages I'm excited about watching the end product when they've got to know and understand each other as a team and as players

wtf you on about he's a wank manager according to many in here we've lost three games FFS...thank you for someone with common sense on here

I think they know it to be honest but it's the international break and we need something to talk about.

Stoke need to pick a style of football and stick with it, when the changes are necessary you go for a manager that compliments the style you have got the players for. This has been a major hinderence to our progress, because each time its back to square one and with each new appointment the hill to his success gets steeper

[retrostoke]

He could win 7 in a row, lose two on the bounce and half the people on here would be calling for a change.

Quite pathetic really. People with an agenda who just want to say “I told you he was Shit”.

I’m not quite sure what they expect. This is Stoke. We win some we lose some. Occasionally in our history we have the odd exceptional year. This year we have played 5 games. FFS give it a rest.

[baconburger]

Sept 9, 2023 18:22:41 GMT milton58 said:

Sept 9, 2023 16:34:10 GMT baconburger said:

You seem to be arguing with a position that hasn’t been advocated. Results in his 12 months so far simply haven’t been good enough and I hope and feel he thinks the same himself. Is there actually anyone saying we should fuck him off? I think the job of transforming the squad has only been partially completed. I expect a better season than last particularly at home. If he provides that I’d be quite happy for him to have next Summer to finish the job, as much as it’s ever finished.

alot of posts from someone new to the board crack on son

A trivial amount believe me. New🤣🤣🤣

[terryconroysmagic]

Sept 9, 2023 17:58:57 GMT jesusmcmuffin said:

Sept 9, 2023 15:49:41 GMT milton58 said:

but these are his players let's judge him on that

Amazing how 40 games can be ignored

Let's judge him on the job he came to do and do so far he's lost 62% of the games he's been in charge. I judge managers personally on what they do, not what I hope they might do.

The not his players excuse was rolled out every week for a year almost, now it's give them time to gel. He's lost 3 games already and got more than enough players to pick an 11 from.

I don’t remember you having the same exacting standards when MON was taking us backwards.

Your bias against Neil is clear to see.

I wasn’t overly impressed last season but he does deserve a chance to turn it around with his own squad

[benjaminbiscuit]

Sept 9, 2023 18:39:39 GMT retrostoke said:

He could win 7 in a row, lose two on the bounce and half the people on here would be calling for a change.

Quite pathetic really. People with an agenda who just want to say “I told you he was Shit”.

I’m not quite sure what they expect. This is Stoke. We win some we lose some. Occasionally in our history we have the odd exceptional year. This year we have played 5 games. FFS give it a rest.

As a matter of interest if he turns 2 consecutive defeats into 4 or 6 would you feel the same .

[Gawa]

Sept 9, 2023 19:36:03 GMT terryconroysmagic said:

Sept 9, 2023 17:58:57 GMT jesusmcmuffin said:

Amazing how 40 games can be ignored

Let's judge him on the job he came to do and do so far he's lost 62% of the games he's been in charge. I judge managers personally on what they do, not what I hope they might do.

The not his players excuse was rolled out every week for a year almost, now it's give them time to gel. He's lost 3 games already and got more than enough players to pick an 11 from.

I don’t remember you having the same exacting standards when MON was taking us backwards.

Your bias against Neil is clear to see.

I wasn’t overly impressed last season but he does deserve a chance to turn it around with his own squad

Pot kettle black big man 🤣🤣

[retrostoke]

Sept 9, 2023 19:41:15 GMT benjaminbiscuit said:

Sept 9, 2023 18:39:39 GMT retrostoke said:

He could win 7 in a row, lose two on the bounce and half the people on here would be calling for a change.

Quite pathetic really. People with an agenda who just want to say “I told you he was Shit”.

I’m not quite sure what they expect. This is Stoke. We win some we lose some. Occasionally in our history we have the odd exceptional year. This year we have played 5 games. FFS give it a rest.

As a matter of interest if he turns 2 consecutive defeats into 4 or 6 would you feel the same .

If this team doesn’t make top 8 minimum he has questions to answer. This season he has had 5 games with a drip feed of players. Being critical now is fucking ridiculous

[Biblical]

Sept 9, 2023 19:52:44 GMT Gawa said:

Sept 9, 2023 19:36:03 GMT terryconroysmagic said:

I don’t remember you having the same exacting standards when MON was taking us backwards.

Your bias against Neil is clear to see.

I wasn’t overly impressed last season but he does deserve a chance to turn it around with his own squad

Pot kettle black big man 🤣🤣

The issue with MON is that it’s been proven that by and large the players already at the club, and the players he bought into the club were by and large not fit to wear the shirt.

MON had several years to address this and failed miserably. It can be argued that he had limited funds but the counter to that is so did the majority of the Championship, especially Luton who found themselves in the play-offs and subsequently promoted with hardly any budget.

In my eyes judging Neil on last season is pointless because he has the same terrible squad that MON had and based on the evidence we have there is no evidence that MON and whatever support system that was in place had any idea of how to successfully recruit players to be competitive in this division and he had plenty of opportunity to do so.

Neil and the supporting staff, Martin, Dublin may also turn to be ineffective but it’s unknown at this point. Bottom line is MON demonstrated clearly he wasn’t capable of doing what is required and with Neil it’s very much up in the air.

[benjaminbiscuit]

Sept 9, 2023 20:10:19 GMT retrostoke said:

Sept 9, 2023 19:41:15 GMT benjaminbiscuit said:

As a matter of interest if he turns 2 consecutive defeats into 4 or 6 would you feel the same .

If this team doesn’t make top 8 minimum he has questions to answer. This season he has had 5 games with a drip feed of players. Being critical now is fucking ridiculous

There. No chance he will get the opportunity to continue if he’s in the dog fight at the bottom come November it’s just gravity no matter how loyal the owners that would be 60 plus games and a bucket full of invedtment and people change to go backwards and it’s looking increasingly likely .

[matelot1996]

There’s no more excuses. They are virtually all his players. There is nowhere to hide. A win ratio of 20-30% going forward will see AN Looking for new Employers. He will get the whole season. Finish bottom half and I consider that an abject failure. There needs to be a cataclysmic revamp of our results, not just playing staff ! Fingers crossed eh ☝️

[HarryTheHat]

Sept 9, 2023 20:17:17 GMT benjaminbiscuit said:

Sept 9, 2023 20:10:19 GMT retrostoke said:

If this team doesn’t make top 8 minimum he has questions to answer. This season he has had 5 games with a drip feed of players. Being critical now is fucking ridiculous

There. No chance he will get the opportunity to continue if he’s in the dog fight at the bottom come November it’s just gravity no matter how loyal the owners that would be 60 plus games and a bucket full of invedtment and people change to go backwards and it’s looking increasingly likely .

...and if we don't happen to be in the dogfight that you appear to be eagerly relishing, you will go back into hiding as you do whenever Stoke win
but will then miraculously reappear if we lose a couple on the bounce

Why are you ALWAYS so negative? - genuine question

[benjaminbiscuit]

Sept 9, 2023 20:47:03 GMT HarryTheHat said:

Sept 9, 2023 20:17:17 GMT benjaminbiscuit said:

There. No chance he will get the opportunity to continue if he’s in the dog fight at the bottom come November it’s just gravity no matter how loyal the owners that would be 60 plus games and a bucket full of invedtment and people change to go backwards and it’s looking increasingly likely .

...and if we don't happen to be in the dogfight that you appear to be eagerly relishing, you will go back into hiding as you do whenever Stoke win
but will then miraculously reappear if we lose a couple on the bounce

Why are you ALWAYS so negative? - genuine question

50 years of managed expectation 😉 I just think he was the wrong choice abd hsve since day 1 and so far he’s done zero to prove me wrong but it’s wrong to say I disappear I’ve given him loads of credit on the occassions he’s done well but there just haven’t been enough 

[bayernoatcake]

He’s got 10 games to show he’s got something about him for me.

Fail that and he should be gone and we should get a manager in who can use the tools available.

[numpty40]

Sept 9, 2023 21:27:45 GMT bayernoatcake said:

He’s got 10 games to show he’s got something about him for me.

Fail that and he should be gone and we should get a manager in who can use the tools available.

I think ten games is fair, he's had nearly two weeks to work with the players on the training ground. I would reasonably expect to see some cohesion and understanding develop over the next month on the pitch.
These are very much his players.

[Staffsoatcake]

Can we judge him on last season, the reason he came to Stoke was because he was told he could overall the club from top to bottom.

He was going through the motions last season because he knew a vast majority of the players wouldnt be here for this season.

[jesusmcmuffin]

Sept 9, 2023 21:56:17 GMT Staffsoatcake said:

Can we judge him on last season, the reason he came to Stoke was because he was told he could overall the club from top to bottom.

He was going through the motions last season because he knew a vast majority of the players wouldnt be here for this season.

If he was going through the motions then he shouldn't have been here.


Ridiculous excuse for his awful record since arriving