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Post by Clayton Wood on Nov 27, 2023 11:31:36 GMT
Neil has been consistent... performances, results have been rotten ever since he rocked up. We're stuck with him because that idiot JC has made it difficult to get rid of him. We're stick with him.because he's our ticket out of the division, proven in promotion 3 times. A couple of tweaks in the window in the right areas and it's full steam ahead for the play-offs Pugs, haha Yeah you got that bit right, it's the bit that follows where it goes wrong. |
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Nov 27, 2023 11:34:46 GMT
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Post by vidigal7 on Nov 27, 2023 11:34:46 GMT
We're stick with him.because he's our ticket out of the division, proven in promotion 3 times. A couple of tweaks in the window in the right areas and it's full steam ahead for the play-offs Pugs, haha Yeah you got that bit right, it's the bit that follows where it goes wrong. There are areas that weed need to improve, let's see what January's brings before writing off a manager whilst still in touch with the play-offs |
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Post by Clayton Wood on Nov 27, 2023 11:39:59 GMT
Yeah you got that bit right, it's the bit that follows where it goes wrong. There are areas that weed need to improve, let's see what January's brings before writing off a manager whilst still in touch with the play-offs No, let's see where we are Boxing Day. If we're on the up (top 8) give him the window. If not sack him so he can't add any more duds to the squad for the next one to be lumbered with. If you check my posts that's been my view for a while now. Fair? |
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Nov 27, 2023 11:49:29 GMT
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Post by vidigal7 on Nov 27, 2023 11:49:29 GMT
There are areas that weed need to improve, let's see what January's brings before writing off a manager whilst still in touch with the play-offs No, let's see where we are Boxing Day. If we're on the up (top 8) give him the window. If not sack him so he can't add any more duds to the squad for the next one to be lumbered with. If you check my posts that's been my view for a while now. Fair? As long as we're not in trouble of relegation and in the touching dodtance of the play-offs sacking is a ridiculous suggestion, imagine if you fired a manager looking up the table and hire a man that takes you down one, look at Brum. If it was down to many on here stoke would have a new manager every few weeks |
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Post by Clayton Wood on Nov 27, 2023 11:52:46 GMT
No, let's see where we are Boxing Day. If we're on the up (top 8) give him the window. If not sack him so he can't add any more duds to the squad for the next one to be lumbered with. If you check my posts that's been my view for a while now. Fair? As long as we're not in trouble of relegation and in the touching dodtance of the play-offs sacking is a ridiculous suggestion, imagine if you fired a manager looking up the table and hire a man that takes you down one, look at Brum. If it was down to many on here stoke would have a new manager every few weeks Thanks, tells me all I need to know. |
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Nov 27, 2023 11:56:26 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Nov 27, 2023 11:56:26 GMT
Let's not pretend the unbeaten run , 0-0 draws v Coventry and Cardiff covers things up. Last season all over again. Great wins v Leeds and Boro but doesn't suddenly make him a good manager and brush everything else under the carpet. The only reason he's still here, let's be honest You're going to win some, draw some & lose some. It's the nature of the game, I do think we need a striker that will turn draws into wins. Losing over half your home games and failing to score in the vast majority isn't win some, lose some |
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 27, 2023 11:56:28 GMT
No, let's see where we are Boxing Day. If we're on the up (top 8) give him the window. If not sack him so he can't add any more duds to the squad for the next one to be lumbered with. If you check my posts that's been my view for a while now. Fair? As long as we're not in trouble of relegation and in the touching dodtance of the play-offs sacking is a ridiculous suggestion, imagine if you fired a manager looking up the table and hire a man that takes you down one, look at Brum. If it was down to many on here stoke would have a new manager every few weeks Two weeks with the squad and he produces one of the worst performances since his time here. If that's not a red flag then fair enough. His record at Stoke City is atrocious. |
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Post by Clayton Wood on Nov 27, 2023 12:06:36 GMT
As long as we're not in trouble of relegation and in the touching dodtance of the play-offs sacking is a ridiculous suggestion, imagine if you fired a manager looking up the table and hire a man that takes you down one, look at Brum. If it was down to many on here stoke would have a new manager every few weeks Two weeks with the squad and he produces one of the worst performances since his time here. If that's not a red flag then fair enough. His record at Stoke City is atrocious. You're wasting your time mate. He'd rather write the season off and avoid relegation rather than try and do something constructive about it. If he's been supporting the club since he's been on here (Aug 23) then he won't have had the bellyful of it we've had since relegation. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 27, 2023 12:06:39 GMT
As long as we're not in trouble of relegation and in the touching dodtance of the play-offs sacking is a ridiculous suggestion, imagine if you fired a manager looking up the table and hire a man that takes you down one, look at Brum. If it was down to many on here stoke would have a new manager every few weeks Two weeks with the squad and he produces one of the worst performances since his time here. If that's not a red flag then fair enough. His record at Stoke City is atrocious. Some serious pressure if the wheels come off Tuesday no matter how safe peopl think he is this seven days could easily finish I him off |
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Nov 27, 2023 12:11:00 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2023 12:11:00 GMT
As long as we're not in trouble of relegation and in the touching dodtance of the play-offs sacking is a ridiculous suggestion, imagine if you fired a manager looking up the table and hire a man that takes you down one, look at Brum. If it was down to many on here stoke would have a new manager every few weeks Two weeks with the squad and he produces one of the worst performances since his time here. If that's not a red flag then fair enough. His record at Stoke City is atrocious. That's the key point for me. It looked like things have turned around, and in assessing that, it's performance rather than results that are key. We've seen it's a decent set of players. We've seen an unbeaten run, he has two weeks with them and they produce for me the worst home performance of the last 6 years. |
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Post by tqstokie on Nov 27, 2023 12:17:23 GMT
As long as we're not in trouble of relegation and in the touching dodtance of the play-offs sacking is a ridiculous suggestion, imagine if you fired a manager looking up the table and hire a man that takes you down one, look at Brum. If it was down to many on here stoke would have a new manager every few weeks Two weeks with the squad and he produces one of the worst performances since his time here. If that's not a red flag then fair enough. His record at Stoke City is atrocious. Does anyone on here know exactly what happened in those two weeks? Was he here taking training, on holiday and similarly with the squad available? |
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Post by gingerninja on Nov 27, 2023 12:17:35 GMT
Mark Robins at Coventry said he used all but the weekend if the international break to drill down the patterns if play ahead of the game at Millwall, which they won 3 - 0. What on earth did we do, given that the players looked like total strangers to each other..Yes Vidigal hasn't looked sharp these last few games, but the starting XI on Saturday, looked absolutely devoid of goals and so it mapped out that way.. he's a charmless chancer and I've had enough.
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Nov 27, 2023 12:24:39 GMT
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Post by mamathestriker on Nov 27, 2023 12:24:39 GMT
Mark Robins at Coventry said he used all but the weekend if the international break to drill down the patterns if play ahead of the game at Millwall, which they won 3 - 0. What on earth did we do, given that the players looked like total strangers to each other..Yes Vidigal hasn't looked sharp these last few games, but the starting XI on Saturday, looked absolutely devoid of goals and so it mapped out that way.. he's a charmless chancer and I've had enough. Looking at AN on Saturday he looked like he'd had at least a week in the sun! Lose tomorrow and the pressure cranks right back up on him. |
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Nov 27, 2023 12:35:25 GMT
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Post by mamathestriker on Nov 27, 2023 12:35:25 GMT
AN's league results at Bet365 since joining.
How many have I genuinely enjoyed? Maybe 3 or 4.
August 22
Stoke 1-1 Swansea
October 22
Stoke 0-4 Watford
Stoke 3-1 Sheffield United
Stoke 0-1 Rotherham
Stoke 0-2 Coventry
November 22
Stoke 1-2 Birmingham
Stoke 2-0 Luton
December 22
Stoke 2-2 Cardiff
Stoke 0-1 Burnley
January 23
Stoke 0-1 Preston
Stoke 4-0 Reading
February 23
Stoke 0-0 Hull
Stoke 3-0 Huddersfield
Stoke 0-1 Millwall
March 23
Stoke 3-2 Blackburn
Stoke 0-0 Norwich
April 23
Stoke 1-2 Bristol City
Stoke 1-2 WBA
Stoke 0-1 Wigan
Stoke 0-1 QPR
August 23
Stoke 4-1 Rotherham
Stoke 1-0 Watford
September 23
Stoke 0-2 Preston
Stoke 1-3 Hull
Stoke 0-1 Southampton
October 23
Stoke 2-1 Sunderland
Stoke 1-0 Leeds
November 23
Stoke 0-0 Cardiff
Stoke 0-3 Blackburn
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2023 12:37:55 GMT
Mark Robins at Coventry said he used all but the weekend if the international break to drill down the patterns if play ahead of the game at Millwall, which they won 3 - 0. What on earth did we do, given that the players looked like total strangers to each other..Yes Vidigal hasn't looked sharp these last few games, but the starting XI on Saturday, looked absolutely devoid of goals and so it mapped out that way.. he's a charmless chancer and I've had enough. There's another key, 'patterns of play'. What are our patterns? Overloads and getting lots of ball in the box? We don't do that. Playing direct and winning second balls? Nope. Defending but threatening on set pieces? Nope. I thought against Sunderland and Leeds we showed good organization but then also good movement and understanding in attack with full backs getting forward to create overloads. It's bizarre that he's gone three games now without doing any of that and again, producing one of the worst performances in recent memory after having 2 weeks to drill it into his players. |
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Post by gingerninja on Nov 27, 2023 12:47:26 GMT
I think Blackburn set up to stop us getting Hoever in down the right, there was not one crossfield ball from the CH's to him, that has been our go to our ball most of this season. Teams have long since sussed us and we seem unable to combat it in any other way..
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Nov 27, 2023 13:42:54 GMT
Lost 1 in 6, we were crap get over it, let's just get to January and get a striker. Still in touch with the play offs, Reading this board you'd think we were growing roots in the bottom 3. We're a whole lot better than seasons gone by Let's not pretend the unbeaten run , 0-0 draws v Coventry and Cardiff covers things up. Last season all over again. Great wins v Leeds and Boro but doesn't suddenly make him a good manager and brush everything else under the carpet. The only reason he's still here, let's be honest Lets also not forget that if Bamford has scored that penalty theres no way we'd have won that game, we'd probably not have even got a point. He's a lucky guy who manages to put little bursts together to save himself time and time again. The Middlesborough game aside, which we only won becuase I couldn't watch it, the rest weren't especially impressive and the last 3 have been catastrophic. Vidigal7 may spout shit about this being reactionary, but it absolutely isn't. He's been here for well over a year, built an entire squad as he wanted, and he's producing the worst football since we were relegated. Jones wasn't even much worse than this, he just couldn't buy a win every so often like Neil seems to be able to stumble onto. Chancer. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Nov 27, 2023 13:55:55 GMT
I have been mostly for AN,but he is starting to grate on me,he his too much about the opposition instead of letting them worry about us,we have 2 of the worst teams in the league coming up,yet he will worry too much about them & his negativity must rub off onto the players.
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Post by skip on Nov 27, 2023 14:02:49 GMT
Listen to his post-match comments after Saturday's game. He is peddling the belief that we are a work in progress, as if that is a get out of jail card for being as shit as we were on Saturday. You can't always be a work in progress, and a work in progress most generally exhibits incremental positive developments, whereas we lurch from a decent couple of results to being relegation fodder the next. That isn't work in progress, it's a manager who is way too comfortable in his position. A real work in progress right now would be a manager shitting bricks that he's not hitting the targets.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2023 14:05:12 GMT
AN's league results at Bet365 since joining. How many have I genuinely enjoyed? Maybe 3 or 4. August 22 Stoke 1-1 Swansea October 22 Stoke 0-4 Watford Stoke 3-1 Sheffield United Stoke 0-1 Rotherham Stoke 0-2 Coventry November 22 Stoke 1-2 Birmingham Stoke 2-0 Luton December 22 Stoke 2-2 Cardiff Stoke 0-1 Burnley January 23 Stoke 0-1 Preston Stoke 4-0 Reading February 23 Stoke 0-0 Hull Stoke 3-0 Huddersfield Stoke 0-1 Millwall March 23 Stoke 3-2 Blackburn Stoke 0-0 Norwich April 23 Stoke 1-2 Bristol City Stoke 1-2 WBA Stoke 0-1 Wigan Stoke 0-1 QPR August 23 Stoke 4-1 Rotherham Stoke 1-0 Watford September 23 Stoke 0-2 Preston Stoke 1-3 Hull Stoke 0-1 Southampton October 23 Stoke 2-1 Sunderland Stoke 1-0 Leeds November 23 Stoke 0-0 Cardiff Stoke 0-3 Blackburn Have we really only scored 30 goals in 29 home games under him, topped off with nearly half the games seeing us fail to score and a points haul of 1.1ppg? Those are horrendous stats. What on earth is he still doing in a job? |
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Nov 27, 2023 14:11:39 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Nov 27, 2023 14:11:39 GMT
Let's not pretend the unbeaten run , 0-0 draws v Coventry and Cardiff covers things up. Last season all over again. Great wins v Leeds and Boro but doesn't suddenly make him a good manager and brush everything else under the carpet. The only reason he's still here, let's be honest Lets also not forget that if Bamford has scored that penalty theres no way we'd have won that game, we'd probably not have even got a point. He's a lucky guy who manages to put little bursts together to save himself time and time again. The Middlesborough game aside, which we only won becuase I couldn't watch it, the rest weren't especially impressive and the last 3 have been catastrophic. Vidigal7 may spout shit about this being reactionary, but it absolutely isn't. He's been here for well over a year, built an entire squad as he wanted, and he's producing the worst football since we were relegated. Jones wasn't even much worse than this, he just couldn't buy a win every so often like Neil seems to be able to stumble onto. Chancer. We were good at Boro, shows what the team can do which makes it worse. We rode our luck a bit but so do most teams away from home v a decent side The Coventry and Cardiff games were beyond awful. You're right, this is worse than Jones and again a few games are papering over another dreadful season. His top 6 comment was bad even by his standards lof talking nonsense. He has a bit if the Coterills about him , bigging himself up in interviews etc . Bottom line is, he can't do it to save his life where it matters |
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Post by shakermaker on Nov 27, 2023 14:25:31 GMT
Lost 1 in 6, we were crap get over it, let's just get to January and get a striker. Still in touch with the play offs, Reading this board you'd think we were growing roots in the bottom 3. We're a whole lot better than seasons gone by Let's not pretend the unbeaten run , 0-0 draws v Coventry and Cardiff covers things up. Last season all over again. Great wins v Leeds and Boro but doesn't suddenly make him a good manager and brush everything else under the carpet. The only reason he's still here, let's be honest Our latest purple patch over those five games papered over huge cracks. Our xG over those 5 games was 4.9 (we scored 5 goals). The expected points from that xG compared with the opposition was again just 5. So we actually achieved 6 more points than we deserved! The Blackburn walloping was on the cards. In that same period, they achieved 2 points less than they actually deserved. QPR are a huge banana skin. They lost to Norwich at the weekend, but were much the better side second half. I'll be honest, I can see us losing this one and there'll be unbearable pressure on Neil if that happens. |
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Nov 27, 2023 14:29:17 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Nov 27, 2023 14:29:17 GMT
Let's not pretend the unbeaten run , 0-0 draws v Coventry and Cardiff covers things up. Last season all over again. Great wins v Leeds and Boro but doesn't suddenly make him a good manager and brush everything else under the carpet. The only reason he's still here, let's be honest Our latest purple patch over those five games papered over huge cracks. Our xG over those 5 games was 4.9 (we scored 5 goals). The expected points from that xG compared with the opposition was again just 5. So we actually achieved 6 more points than we deserved! The Blackburn walloping was on the cards. In that same period, they achieved 2 points less than they actually deserved. QPR are a huge banana skin. They lost to Norwich at the weekend, but were much the better side second half. I'll be honest, I can see us losing this one and there'll be unbearable pressure on Neil if that happens. Absolutely. Win this and Sheff Weds and he'll be talking play offs again though I guess |
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Nov 27, 2023 14:34:54 GMT
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Post by milky on Nov 27, 2023 14:34:54 GMT
AN's league results at Bet365 since joining. How many have I genuinely enjoyed? Maybe 3 or 4. August 22 Stoke 1-1 Swansea October 22 Stoke 0-4 Watford Stoke 3-1 Sheffield United Stoke 0-1 Rotherham Stoke 0-2 Coventry November 22 Stoke 1-2 Birmingham Stoke 2-0 Luton December 22 Stoke 2-2 Cardiff Stoke 0-1 Burnley January 23 Stoke 0-1 Preston Stoke 4-0 Reading February 23 Stoke 0-0 Hull Stoke 3-0 Huddersfield Stoke 0-1 Millwall March 23 Stoke 3-2 Blackburn Stoke 0-0 Norwich April 23 Stoke 1-2 Bristol City Stoke 1-2 WBA Stoke 0-1 Wigan Stoke 0-1 QPR August 23 Stoke 4-1 Rotherham Stoke 1-0 Watford September 23 Stoke 0-2 Preston Stoke 1-3 Hull Stoke 0-1 Southampton October 23 Stoke 2-1 Sunderland Stoke 1-0 Leeds November 23 Stoke 0-0 Cardiff Stoke 0-3 Blackburn Failing to score in 14 of your home games is absolutely appalling. Anywhere else and he is gone. |
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 27, 2023 14:44:33 GMT
Listen to his post-match comments after Saturday's game. He is peddling the belief that we are a work in progress, as if that is a get out of jail card for being as shit as we were on Saturday. You can't always be a work in progress, and a work in progress most generally exhibits incremental positive developments, whereas we lurch from a decent couple of results to being relegation fodder the next. That isn't work in progress, it's a manager who is way too comfortable in his position. A real work in progress right now would be a manager shitting bricks that he's not hitting the targets. This, 100% |
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Nov 27, 2023 14:50:55 GMT
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Nov 27, 2023 14:50:55 GMT
Made this point before but the overwhelming evidence suggest that throughout Neil’s career he has had most success upon his initial arrival into a club which then peters out into some level of mediocrity.
This is why I find the “they weren’t his players” argument cheap, they weren’t his players when he achieved his two promotions, they weren’t his players at Preston when he took them nearly to the playoffs.
They *were* his players when he couldn’t get Norwich into title contention following relegation and they *were* his players when his Preston side stagnated much as we are currently doing. He left Sunderland when it became apparent he wouldn’t necessarily take full control over transfer targets.
He’s a good impact manager, but nothing in his career would suggest he has success when building his own team.
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Nov 27, 2023 14:52:57 GMT
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Nov 27, 2023 14:52:57 GMT
No, let's see where we are Boxing Day. If we're on the up (top 8) give him the window. If not sack him so he can't add any more duds to the squad for the next one to be lumbered with. If you check my posts that's been my view for a while now. Fair? As long as we're not in trouble of relegation and in the touching dodtance of the play-offs sacking is a ridiculous suggestion, imagine if you fired a manager looking up the table and hire a man that takes you down one, look at Brum. If it was down to many on here stoke would have a new manager every few weeks Come on Alex we know its you 🤣 |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Nov 27, 2023 14:53:28 GMT
AN's league results at Bet365 since joining. How many have I genuinely enjoyed? Maybe 3 or 4. August 22 Stoke 1-1 Swansea October 22 Stoke 0-4 Watford Stoke 3-1 Sheffield United Stoke 0-1 Rotherham Stoke 0-2 Coventry November 22 Stoke 1-2 Birmingham Stoke 2-0 Luton December 22 Stoke 2-2 Cardiff Stoke 0-1 Burnley January 23 Stoke 0-1 Preston Stoke 4-0 Reading February 23 Stoke 0-0 Hull Stoke 3-0 Huddersfield Stoke 0-1 Millwall March 23 Stoke 3-2 Blackburn Stoke 0-0 Norwich April 23 Stoke 1-2 Bristol City Stoke 1-2 WBA Stoke 0-1 Wigan Stoke 0-1 QPR August 23 Stoke 4-1 Rotherham Stoke 1-0 Watford September 23 Stoke 0-2 Preston Stoke 1-3 Hull Stoke 0-1 Southampton October 23 Stoke 2-1 Sunderland Stoke 1-0 Leeds November 23 Stoke 0-0 Cardiff Stoke 0-3 Blackburn Failing to score in 14 of your home games is absolutely appalling. Anywhere else and he is gone. Another shocking stat, in only 2 of those games have we got something when we’ve gone behind (Swansea and Cardiff in 2022) Basically, we concede first at home, we lose Tells you all you heed to know about his in-game management skills |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 27, 2023 15:28:27 GMT
Failing to score in 14 of your home games is absolutely appalling. Anywhere else and he is gone. Another shocking stat, in only 2 of those games have we got something when we’ve gone behind (Swansea and Cardiff in 2022) Basically, we concede first at home, we lose Tells you all you heed to know about his in-game management skills Damming and said it before no survives that in the long run |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Nov 27, 2023 15:40:05 GMT
As long as we're not in trouble of relegation and in the touching dodtance of the play-offs sacking is a ridiculous suggestion, imagine if you fired a manager looking up the table and hire a man that takes you down one, look at Brum. If it was down to many on here stoke would have a new manager every few weeks Come on Alex we know its you 🤣 No, he didn't patronise the fans |
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