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Post by robrigo on Sept 3, 2023 8:29:11 GMT
I think we shouldn’t get too dizzy with excitement when we win a couple. Neither should we reach for the razor blades when we lose a couple. This season will be peaks and troughs such was the nature of the rebuild. So many new players from different backgrounds and countries still settling and that will take a while yet. I think the club should be applauded right now. We wanted the rebuild, we needed the rebuild, we got the rebuild. Now the club deserves understanding and patience.
It’s been a fantastic window. A refreshing one with a brand, shiny new approach and now we have to let them get on with it. The only negative I see is perhaps the lack of a centre back and new striker but we can’t have it all straight away. The club has been on its arse for a while, it’s going to take a while to get back.
The first signs are there. Now, they need time. I’m sure we’ll get there. My prediction. Top half this season, play offs next season, promotion the season after. Easy!!
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 3, 2023 9:01:36 GMT
I know the League is most important,but let's not forget,we have played 7 league & cup ganes,winning 4 losing 3,scoring 13 conceding 7,so we have the squad to do OK this season,let's judge him around Xmas.
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Post by stokiesteve on Sept 3, 2023 9:23:28 GMT
If we sack him, that’s another manager who will go to another Championship club and guarantee us two more nailed on defeats every season You can't sack a manager 5 games into a new season after bringing in 16 new players, you deserve a relegation for that, I'd probably not attend again in disgust. You've got to give the manager time to flourish or fail I was being ironic |
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Post by cheadlestokie on Sept 3, 2023 9:49:12 GMT
He now has a couple of weeks to sort the squad out in his mind and although I don’t expect him to immediately go for a basic settled side after the international break he needs to start showing definite signs of knowing what he believes is his best team.
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Post by stokefanone on Sept 3, 2023 10:26:20 GMT
Should have put gayle on second half for Campbell and gone
3-5-2
Trav
Rose, mcnally, willmot
Hoever, Pearson, burger, Johnson, leris
Wes, gayle
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 3, 2023 10:32:03 GMT
It’s early doors this season, but he has to do a lot to convince me he’s the best man for the job. Awful setup today. Killed any semblance of wanting to win from the start using an away from home lineup. Very poor. Early still but shit that was awful knowing their strategy from kickoff. Out of curiosity what would you have changed? Bar adding an attacking mid in there I'm not sure there was much else I'd have wanted to see differently. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 3, 2023 10:46:31 GMT
Awful setup today. Killed any semblance of wanting to win from the start using an away from home lineup. Very poor. Early still but shit that was awful knowing their strategy from kickoff. Out of curiosity what would you have changed? Bar adding an attacking mid in there I'm not sure there was much else I'd have wanted to see differently. Exactly that. I know Laurent had a good game v Rotherham as an attacking midfielder but he's an athlete not a creative player. When I heard the team I thought we would struggle to create. I'd have liked to see Campbell and Leris closer to Wesley when the ball was on the opposite side leaving the full back to offer width. We just seemed to lack mobility and Wesley was so isolated. I also would have had Johnson on floating behind Wesley instead of Pearson, with Burger and Laurent sitting deep as box to box midfielders. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 3, 2023 10:53:41 GMT
Out of curiosity what would you have changed? Bar adding an attacking mid in there I'm not sure there was much else I'd have wanted to see differently. Exactly that. I know Laurent had a good game v Rotherham as an attacking midfielder but he's an athlete not a creative player. When I heard the team I thought we would struggle to create. I'd have liked to see Campbell and Leris closer to Wesley when the ball was on the opposite side leaving the full back to offer width. We just seemed to lack mobility and Wesley was so isolated. I also would have had Johnson on floating behind Wesley instead of Pearson, with Burger and Laurent sitting deep as box to box midfielders. I don't really understand what Laurent offers in this set up tbh, as you say he's not creative and he's not a player to get stuck in and win the ball, on paper the midfield balance would be better off without him in there. Agree about the wide players, it makes no sense having forward thinking fullbacks to just pile them on top of eachother. |
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Post by peterthornesboots on Sept 3, 2023 11:59:19 GMT
He now has a couple of weeks to sort the squad out in his mind and although I don’t expect him to immediately go for a basic settled side after the international break he needs to start showing definite signs of knowing what he believes is his best team. The international break has definitely come at the right time for us. As you say, AN now has a couple or weeks to work with the players and start working out what his best eleven looks like. With 16 new players coming through the door, a couple or weeks on the training pitch should do everyone a world of good. |
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Post by biddulphchav on Sept 3, 2023 15:10:38 GMT
He now has a couple of weeks to sort the squad out in his mind and although I don’t expect him to immediately go for a basic settled side after the international break he needs to start showing definite signs of knowing what he believes is his best team. The international break has definitely come at the right time for us. As you say, AN now has a couple or weeks to work with the players and start working out what his best eleven looks like. With 16 new players coming through the door, a couple or weeks on the training pitch should do everyone a world of good. You would like to think so, and I hope that’s the case. I think part of our problem is AN seems to spend a lot of time thinking about how we can stop the opposition and exploit their weaknesses - and so the way we set up is constantly changing. To me the net result of that is we lack an identity or way of playing, and I think it stops the players getting into a groove and knowing what they have to do without really having to think about it. We look confused at times, so the worry is 2 more weeks focused solely on how we set up for Norwich is 2 more weeks for AN to confuse the fuck out of some already confused players. It’s no coincidence last seasons best run of form was in the middle of an injury crisis where his options were so limited he had to stick to a system and first 11 for a bit….as soon as the injured players came back he started messing about again and we went back to being rubbish |
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Post by idle on Sept 3, 2023 15:38:13 GMT
Don't get this. What was wrong with the setup? AN couldn't know that Campbell would be absolutely pathetic and that Laurent was going to hide again. The players let us down today. The setup was shite. Constant long balls into an isolated Wesley with no other Stoke player close to him was nonsense. Laurent / Campbell playing attacking roles but actually offered zero threat. There was nothing right about that setup today. You're on to it. Campbell and Laurent didn't play close enough to Wes and neither of them worked hard. I don't believe AN told them not to, that would've been bizarre. Leris worked hard, but lacked the skill today, not sure why. You don't attack a disciplined (and frankly piss boring) PNE directly, that just leads to counters, like the second goal. You need to find a way to lure them out and catch them unbalanced. We weren't good enough doing that today, mainly due to most players going back to being inaccurate. Campbell, Laurent, Hoever, Leris, Stevens, Wilmot, McNally. All with poor passes and most of them played with too low tempo. The starting 11 was probably right. Johnson wasn't any better than Laurent, except he didn't hide. Bae and Gooch had barely seen the premises, you don't start with those. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 3, 2023 16:01:43 GMT
Relegation form over the last 22 games says differently and the next two are horrendous given current away performances I think you’ll see better results away than at home. This season. Teams will be pressured to attack us at home by the fans. That will play right in to our hands. The reason we smashed Rotherham is that they didn’t hide and sit back. Also they just weren’t very good.. I’m sorry but I just don’t buy that Ipswich and millwall were true howlers of selection and performance everyone now knows we are a soft touch if you bully us away from home , we are wingers arsenal in the championship |
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Post by a on Sept 3, 2023 16:02:20 GMT
I think you’ll see better results away than at home. This season. Teams will be pressured to attack us at home by the fans. That will play right in to our hands. The reason we smashed Rotherham is that they didn’t hide and sit back. Also they just weren’t very good.. I’m sorry but I just don’t buy that Ipswich and millwall were true howlers of selection and performance everyone now knows we are a soft touch if you bully us away from home , we are wingers arsenal in the championship Who are you and where is Benji? |
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Post by furry on Sept 3, 2023 16:11:40 GMT
I still have faith in AN for now. Its not his fault Campbell missed the ball completely first half, Berger naively stuck a leg out or Laurent blazed over from a similar position to his goals on Tuesday night.
Him and the coaching staff can shoulder some of the blame for the poor 2nd goal though.
We have lots of new players coming in and arguably the best 2 attackers out yesterday but there was enough for me to think it will come right.
Patience Stokies 👍
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Post by mrnovember on Sept 3, 2023 16:22:19 GMT
Was yesterday really that bad? For all of the criticism of the system and the selection, the game hinged on the penalty. We were on top before and after. Also, Preston defended very well.
It's shite that we couldn't score again I agree, especially when we had a few chances but I can't help but feel that the reaction to this loss is a bit over the top given the stage of the season and in the context of the massive squad rebuild that has been undertaken. Neil will still be figuring things out himself.
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Post by stokiedan17 on Sept 3, 2023 19:03:10 GMT
Was yesterday really that bad? For all of the criticism of the system and the selection, the game hinged on the penalty. We were on top before and after. Also, Preston defended very well. It's shite that we couldn't score again I agree, especially when we had a few chances but I can't help but feel that the reaction to this loss is a bit over the top given the stage of the season and in the context of the massive squad rebuild that has been undertaken. Neil will still be figuring things out himself. It really wasn’t that bad. I thought it was a good game and were dominant throughout until the penalty. 17 shots 1 on target 7 off target 9 blocked. 9 shots blocked due to the sheer number of bodies in the box. It was always going to be difficult to score. If Campbell buries those 2 chances we are talking about a different game. If campbell buries that first chance it becomes a different game and we probably go on a rout. We weren’t bullied as so many seem to suggest. We handled their physicality well and gave as good as we got. We just seemed to be booked for it and they didn’t. A soft penalty cost us the game. If that doesn’t happen Preston aren’t scoring. They had 3 shots on target. One is a penalty the other is the break on goal ( which was also offside) You could argue if we had VAR it ends in a draw. |
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Post by idle on Sept 3, 2023 19:10:18 GMT
Was yesterday really that bad? For all of the criticism of the system and the selection, the game hinged on the penalty. We were on top before and after. Also, Preston defended very well. It's shite that we couldn't score again I agree, especially when we had a few chances but I can't help but feel that the reaction to this loss is a bit over the top given the stage of the season and in the context of the massive squad rebuild that has been undertaken. Neil will still be figuring things out himself. It really wasn’t that bad. I thought it was a good game and were dominant throughout until the penalty. 17 shots 1 on target 7 off target 9 blocked. 9 shots blocked due to the sheer number of bodies in the box. It was always going to be difficult to score. If Campbell buries those 2 chances we are talking about a different game. If campbell buries that first chance it becomes a different game and we probably go on a rout. We weren’t bullied as so many seem to suggest. We handled their physicality well and gave as good as we got. We just seemed to be booked for it and they didn’t. A soft penalty cost us the game. If that doesn’t happen Preston aren’t scoring. They had 3 shots on target. One is a penalty the other is the break on goal ( which was also offside) You could argue if we had VAR it ends in a draw. No way. VAR is all about contact, and there was a bit of contact. Soft as hell, and never a peno, but VAR would say it was. The second one being offside? VAR would probably get that one. |
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Post by stokiedan17 on Sept 3, 2023 19:42:30 GMT
It really wasn’t that bad. I thought it was a good game and were dominant throughout until the penalty. 17 shots 1 on target 7 off target 9 blocked. 9 shots blocked due to the sheer number of bodies in the box. It was always going to be difficult to score. If Campbell buries those 2 chances we are talking about a different game. If campbell buries that first chance it becomes a different game and we probably go on a rout. We weren’t bullied as so many seem to suggest. We handled their physicality well and gave as good as we got. We just seemed to be booked for it and they didn’t. A soft penalty cost us the game. If that doesn’t happen Preston aren’t scoring. They had 3 shots on target. One is a penalty the other is the break on goal ( which was also offside) You could argue if we had VAR it ends in a draw. No way. VAR is all about contact, and there was a bit of contact. Soft as hell, and never a peno, but VAR would say it was. The second one being offside? VAR would probably get that one. Depends who you’ve got running it I guess. Just seen one in the Arsenal v Man U match which was overturned even though there was minimal contact |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 3, 2023 19:46:53 GMT
Despite his shocking record as a manager, ignore the stats and live on the belief he'll get it right
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Post by glpotter on Sept 6, 2023 18:16:27 GMT
A competent manager would do well with this team Cost us against Millwall and this is a poor result what a wobble For having a difference of opinion to you? Grow up |
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Post by milton58 on Sept 6, 2023 18:28:55 GMT
For having a difference of opinion to you? Grow up 4 games in FFS give the bloke time to find is best 11 you wobble |
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Post by milton58 on Sept 6, 2023 18:34:10 GMT
For having a difference of opinion to you? Grow up 4 games in FFS give the bloke time to find is best 11 you wobble |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 9, 2023 8:41:52 GMT
Unless I’m mistaken 4 of the next 5 games are away including Bournemouth and a game against a resurgent hull as the only respite , going into that on the back of 2 consecutive defeats suggests he could be looking at Hull at home to save his job
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Post by baconburger on Sept 9, 2023 8:56:25 GMT
Unless I’m mistaken 4 of the next 5 games are away including Bournemouth and a game against a resurgent hull as the only respite , going into that on the back of 2 consecutive defeats suggests he could be looking at Hull at home to save his job Have you come here by mistake. Middlesboro must have a message board of their own. Just type Mfykfxzo like normal. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 9, 2023 9:13:24 GMT
For having a difference of opinion to you? Grow up 4 games in FFS give the bloke time to find is best 11 you wobble Nearly 50 games actually and we sacked our manager how many games in last season? |
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Post by bertiestan on Sept 9, 2023 9:26:42 GMT
Some of the posters on here are fucking unreal 🤦🏼♂️🙄😂
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Sept 9, 2023 9:30:40 GMT
I would like to think he is expendable with Ricky, Jared and John running things. Can Jared recruit head coaches too?
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Post by TinkerT on Sept 9, 2023 9:34:14 GMT
I said at the start of the season we've got a terrible October so if he gets off to a poor start question's marks will be over his head. I'd like to think now the backroom setup we could bring in a better manager if he doesn't start changing things.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 9, 2023 9:51:30 GMT
I would like to think he is expendable with Ricky, Jared and John running things. Can Jared recruit head coaches too? It remains to be seen whether that’s actually how it’ll work though doesn’t it? It’s how it should work, but given Ricky is AN’s man there’s no guarantee it’s not a package deal. |
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Post by thevoid on Sept 9, 2023 10:11:38 GMT
I would like to think he is expendable with Ricky, Jared and John running things. Can Jared recruit head coaches too? It remains to be seen whether that’s actually how it’ll work though doesn’t it? It’s how it should work, but given Ricky is AN’s man there’s no guarantee it’s not a package deal. Would you quit an extremely well paid job because your mate had left? |
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