Alex Neil

[fishlovesoatcakes]

Oct 30, 2023 13:33:05 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Oct 30, 2023 12:50:02 GMT fishlovesoatcakes said:

Makes complete sense 👏

Well why not? 3 wins doesn’t change what I’ve thought about him for 15 months. Why would it?

I mean it’s academic because it’s bought him another 10 years in charge.

Momentum? Starting to gel?
It's all been said before regarding a completely new squad of players etc... really can't be arsed to cover off what has been discussed on numerous occasions on this thread alone.

[bayernoatcake]

Oct 30, 2023 15:48:36 GMT fishlovesoatcakes said:

Oct 30, 2023 13:33:05 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Well why not? 3 wins doesn’t change what I’ve thought about him for 15 months. Why would it?

I mean it’s academic because it’s bought him another 10 years in charge.

Momentum? Starting to gel?
It's all been said before regarding a completely new squad of players etc... really can't be arsed to cover off what has been discussed on numerous occasions on this thread alone.

We can only hope.

[Pugsley]

Oct 30, 2023 15:48:36 GMT fishlovesoatcakes said:

Oct 30, 2023 13:33:05 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Well why not? 3 wins doesn’t change what I’ve thought about him for 15 months. Why would it?

I mean it’s academic because it’s bought him another 10 years in charge.

Momentum? Starting to gel?
It's all been said before regarding a completely new squad of players etc... really can't be arsed to cover off what has been discussed on numerous occasions on this thread alone.

Thing is we've been here before with this manager when we went on a good run last season.... corner turned, Neil getting his methods across, we're now fit etc etc etc etc.  Then it all went to rat shit.

He's a long way to go before proving anything.

[chumley]

Oct 29, 2023 5:07:43 GMT fishlovesoatcakes said:

Oct 28, 2023 20:31:00 GMT thornestein said:

you got a crystal ball , he’s won three game on the trot 👏👏, his ppg is still shocking , a long way to go yet , and if your a stoke fan you know we do well against better teams , at least wait till we start beating he poorer ones

How many times do I have to say that we have a completely new squad of players and it was always going to take time to gel? I don't need a crystal ball for my assessment, it's just common sense.

Mate,,,, you should well be aware that there is no room for common sense with some people.

[Staffsoatcake]

It''s not just 3 wins, it's the opposition in those 3 wins, they were were well up there, If it had been Rotherham, Sheff W & QPR, it would have been a differant matter, but it wasn't, we took 9 pts when we were expecting nowt.

[bayernoatcake]

Oct 30, 2023 15:53:53 GMT chumley said:

Oct 29, 2023 5:07:43 GMT fishlovesoatcakes said:

How many times do I have to say that we have a completely new squad of players and it was always going to take time to gel? I don't need a crystal ball for my assessment, it's just common sense.

Mate,,,, you should well be aware that there is no room for common sense with some people.

That’s shit sorry. It could well be what he’s said but it might not and we’ve been before.

I’d still rather someone else who I think is better take that corner turning on than a bloke I still think will ultimately fail.

[foxysgloves]

Oct 30, 2023 15:52:19 GMT Pugsley said:

Oct 30, 2023 15:48:36 GMT fishlovesoatcakes said:

Momentum? Starting to gel?
It's all been said before regarding a completely new squad of players etc... really can't be arsed to cover off what has been discussed on numerous occasions on this thread alone.

Thing is we've been here before with this manager when we went on a good run last season.... corner turned, Neil getting his methods across, we're now fit etc etc etc etc.  Then it all went to rat shit.

He's a long way to go before proving anything.

That’s true.

But this is a virtually completely different squad.

His squad.

If we go to shit again then I agree he’s got no wriggle room.

[Trouserdog]

I don't think Neil has done a particularly good job so far, but the 3 wins has now put us about where I thought we'd be at this stage of the season.

I'd say I'm a fairly patient person when it comes to football managers, but that patience has worn very, very thin this year. However, if Neil can keep us in the top half this year and look like we've got the foundation of something good in place by the end of the season then he deserves to keep his job, and having stability would be infinitely preferable to tearing it up and starting again (again).

Having said that, I'd have sacked him if we'd lost at Bristol City, so he really does have to show we've turned a corner this time.

[foxysgloves]

Oct 30, 2023 16:22:22 GMT Trouserdog said:

I don't think Neil has done a particularly good job so far, but the 3 wins has now put us about where I thought we'd be at this stage of the season.

I'd say I'm a fairly patient person when it comes to football managers, but that patience has worn very, very thin this year. However, if Neil can keep us in the top half this year and look like we've got the foundation of something good in place by the end of the season then he deserves to keep his job, and having stability would be infinitely preferable to tearing it up and starting again (again).

Having said that, I'd have sacked him if we'd lost at Bristol City, so he really does have to show we've turned a corner this time.

This.

I’ve been fooled before. By Jones. Then Rowett. Most of all by O’Neill.

I’m not falling for this Scottish bluffer (although I kind of already have) so he’s got a long way to go to convince me.

[fishlovesoatcakes]

Oct 30, 2023 16:19:45 GMT foxysgloves said:

Oct 30, 2023 15:52:19 GMT Pugsley said:

Thing is we've been here before with this manager when we went on a good run last season.... corner turned, Neil getting his methods across, we're now fit etc etc etc etc.  Then it all went to rat shit.

He's a long way to go before proving anything.

That’s true.

But this is a virtually completely different squad.

His squad.

If we go to shit again then I agree he’s got no wriggle room.

I agree wholeheartedly. I expect a few ups and downs for the next month or so but we need to be playing consistently well after Christmas. That's more than enough time for the squad to gel. If we're not pushing for a top 8, his contract needs to be looked at, apart from If we're incredibly unlucky with injuries. I am now quite optimistic about a promotion push next season, provided that we can keep key players.
It's not always cut and dried when looking at whether we stick with the manager or not.

[vidigal7]

Oct 29, 2023 5:07:43 GMT fishlovesoatcakes said:

Oct 28, 2023 20:31:00 GMT thornestein said:

you got a crystal ball , he’s won three game on the trot 👏👏, his ppg is still shocking , a long way to go yet , and if your a stoke fan you know we do well against better teams , at least wait till we start beating he poorer ones

How many times do I have to say that we have a completely new squad of players and it was always going to take time to gel? I don't need a crystal ball for my assessment, it's just common sense.

They don't get it mate, it's like a mental block, they can't get their head around it.

Also Some on here have just made their mind up they don't like the manager. It's a very small minority on a message board, far from general opinion

[banksy1art]

[xchpotter]

Oct 30, 2023 17:33:18 GMT foxysgloves said:

Oct 30, 2023 16:22:22 GMT Trouserdog said:

I don't think Neil has done a particularly good job so far, but the 3 wins has now put us about where I thought we'd be at this stage of the season.

I'd say I'm a fairly patient person when it comes to football managers, but that patience has worn very, very thin this year. However, if Neil can keep us in the top half this year and look like we've got the foundation of something good in place by the end of the season then he deserves to keep his job, and having stability would be infinitely preferable to tearing it up and starting again (again).

Having said that, I'd have sacked him if we'd lost at Bristol City, so he really does have to show we've turned a corner this time.

This.

I’ve been fooled before. By Jones. Then Rowett. Most of all by O’Neill.

I’m not falling for this Scottish bluffer (although I kind of already have) so he’s got a long way to go to convince me.

Your second line sounds like it’s from a song 😂😂😂

[Vadiation_Ribe]

Oct 30, 2023 15:52:19 GMT Pugsley said:

Oct 30, 2023 15:48:36 GMT fishlovesoatcakes said:

Momentum? Starting to gel?
It's all been said before regarding a completely new squad of players etc... really can't be arsed to cover off what has been discussed on numerous occasions on this thread alone.

Thing is we've been here before with this manager when we went on a good run last season.... corner turned, Neil getting his methods across, we're now fit etc etc etc etc.  Then it all went to rat shit.

He's a long way to go before proving anything.

I think most of us would've taken 11th place and 4 points off the playoffs at this stage, especially given the number of new signings and injuries.

I'm just back from holiday, and we were one place above the relegation places when I left. It's another good example of how quickly things can change in the Championship.

Hopefully this is a corner turned, though there will still be downs. I haven't changed my tune, and I'll still be disappointed if we're not in promotion contention by the end of the season.

[pushon]

Oct 30, 2023 16:22:22 GMT Trouserdog said:

I don't think Neil has done a particularly good job so far, but the 3 wins has now put us about where I thought we'd be at this stage of the season.

I'd say I'm a fairly patient person when it comes to football managers, but that patience has worn very, very thin this year. However, if Neil can keep us in the top half this year and look like we've got the foundation of something good in place by the end of the season then he deserves to keep his job, and having stability would be infinitely preferable to tearing it up and starting again (again).

Having said that, I'd have sacked him if we'd lost at Bristol City, so he really does have to show we've turned a corner this time.

Good post, pretty much my feelings.
We really don't want to start all over once again.

[foxysgloves]

Oct 30, 2023 18:53:41 GMT xchpotter said:

Oct 30, 2023 17:33:18 GMT foxysgloves said:

This.

I’ve been fooled before. By Jones. Then Rowett. Most of all by O’Neill.

I’m not falling for this Scottish bluffer (although I kind of already have) so he’s got a long way to go to convince me.

Your second line sounds like it’s from a song 😂😂😂

Morrissey. Un-released.

Stoke boss strikes again.

[baconburger]

Oct 29, 2023 23:51:43 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Oct 29, 2023 20:56:56 GMT smallthorner said:

You just know that we are going to lose our next two games and everyone will be on the AN out bandwagon again.

I’d sack him tomorrow still.

There’s some fickle fuckers about 🤣

Must admit he said something that’s really troubled me in the build up to yesterday’s game. Can’t remember whether it was in the press conference or the Q&A in the Sentinel. Something like he doesn’t worry about scoring goals with the array of attacking talent at his disposal. I don’t know whether it was some sort of bravado or a complete lack of awareness and detachment from reality. THAT’S THE EIGHTH TIME WE’VE DRAWN A BLANK IN EIGHTEEN GAMES YOU FUCKING MORON AND YOU’RE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT OUR SCORING RECORD.

[bayernoatcake]

Nov 5, 2023 9:26:39 GMT baconburger said:

Oct 29, 2023 23:51:43 GMT bayernoatcake said:

I’d sack him tomorrow still.

There’s some fickle fuckers about 🤣

Must admit he said something that’s really troubled me in the build up to yesterday’s game. Can’t remember whether it was in the press conference or the Q&A in the Sentinel. Something like he doesn’t worry about scoring goals with the array of attacking talent at his disposal. I don’t know whether it was some sort of bravado or a complete lack of awareness and detachment from reality. THAT’S THE EIGHTH TIME WE’VE DRAWN A BLANK IN EIGHTEEN GAMES YOU FUCKING MORON AND YOU’RE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT OUR SCORING RECORD.

He said that? 🤣🤣

Jesus

[Scrotnig]

As predicted by many, Cardiff was another shit show and we were lucky not to lose.

Just like last season’s brief resurgence, we have turned back into rat shit.

His record remains appalling. I still think he needs to go, but I accept that isn’t going to happen this side of Christmas. If at all.

I’m so numb to this endless crap now that I’m starting not to really care.

[Staffsoatcake]

We played poorly, but got a point, that's a plus on what we have seen these past few years.

[baconburger]

Nov 5, 2023 11:04:22 GMT Scrotnig said:

As predicted by many, Cardiff was another shit show and we were lucky not to lose.

Just like last season’s brief resurgence, we have turned back into rat shit.

His record remains appalling. I still think he needs to go, but I accept that isn’t going to happen this side of Christmas. If at all.

I’m so numb to this endless crap now that I’m starting not to really care.

It was just a really shit game that could easily have gone either way. Personally I’d stop awarding a point each for a no score draw and make them have a penalty shootout for a solitary point, it’s all they deserve and at least the fans get a bit of drama and entertainment value. The hold what we start with mentality needs killing off once and for all. Bonus points for scoring 4 or more to balance out the loss of points. Shit days for fans like yesterdays need to be a rare exception.

[retrostoke]

Still plenty on here looking for Neil to fail so they can say “I was right”. Quite sad really.



Must be quite a dilemma on Saturday afternoons

[bayernoatcake]

Nov 5, 2023 12:10:53 GMT retrostoke said:

Still plenty on here looking for Neil to fail so they can say “I was right”. Quite sad really.

Not really. But 4 games means sod all. I watched the 3 home ones and only 1 was a genuinely good game but needs must.

[onepara]

Some of you just won't accept that this football club has undergone a complete overhaul. It will take more than this season for that to show positive results, on & off the field. Some of these players have never played in this country, don't know the culture, & are still coming to terms with that. Then they are expected to play their normal game. It won't happen quickly. it will take time. The Manager was faced with 18 players, who he had to work with, to get a team from. It needs patience. Take a look at the league table today, & you will see that for all of that 'churn' as the Manager calls it, we aren't doing too badly. We are above some good teams who haven't had the turmoil, & injuries, that we have had.

[crouchpotato1]

Nov 5, 2023 12:10:53 GMT retrostoke said:

Still plenty on here looking for Neil to fail so they can say “I was right”. Quite sad really.



Must be quite a dilemma on Saturday afternoons

They’re chomping at the bit mate

[bayernoatcake]

Nov 5, 2023 12:15:07 GMT onepara said:

Some of you just won't accept that this football club has undergone a complete overhaul. It will take more than this season for that to show positive results, on & off the field. Some of these players have never played in this country, don't know the culture, & are still coming to terms with that. Then they are expected to play their normal game. It won't happen quickly. it will take time. The Manager was faced with 18 players, who he had to work with, to get a team from. It needs patience. Take a look at the league table today, & you will see that for all of that 'churn' as the Manager calls it, we aren't doing too badly. We are above some good teams who haven't had the turmoil, & injuries, that we have had.

Quick turnarounds happen at lots of clubs.

Why can’t we expect that?

[baconburger]

Nov 5, 2023 12:15:08 GMT crouchpotato1 said:

Nov 5, 2023 12:10:53 GMT retrostoke said:

Still plenty on here looking for Neil to fail so they can say “I was right”. Quite sad really.



Must be quite a dilemma on Saturday afternoons

They’re chomping at the bit mate

Well I certainly haven’t been Neil out at any stage so far. I don’t think failing to score in 8 out of 18 competitive games is something that anyone should feel satisfied with.

[Scrotnig]

Nov 5, 2023 12:10:53 GMT retrostoke said:

Still plenty on here looking for Neil to fail so they can say “I was right”. Quite sad really.



Must be quite a dilemma on Saturday afternoons

I desperately want him to succeed so he can be our greatest manager for many years.

The trouble is, he’s not succeeding.

[onepara]

Nov 5, 2023 12:00:56 GMT baconburger said:

Nov 5, 2023 11:04:22 GMT Scrotnig said:

As predicted by many, Cardiff was another shit show and we were lucky not to lose.

Just like last season’s brief resurgence, we have turned back into rat shit.

His record remains appalling. I still think he needs to go, but I accept that isn’t going to happen this side of Christmas. If at all.

I’m so numb to this endless crap now that I’m starting not to really care.

It was just a really shit game that could easily have gone either way. Personally I’d stop awarding a point each for a no score draw and make them have a penalty shootout for a solitary point, it’s all they deserve and at least the fans get a bit of drama and entertainment value. The hold what we start with mentality needs killing off once and for all. Bonus points for scoring 4 or more to balance out the loss of points. Shit days for fans like yesterdays need to be a rare exception.

I've thought for a long time that a point for a no-score draw should be done away with. You start with a point before the game, so why bother to score, & just set up not to lose. It encourages negative football. You should be rewarded for scoring goals for points, not have then gifted to you.

[baconburger]

Nov 5, 2023 12:20:05 GMT onepara said:

Nov 5, 2023 12:00:56 GMT baconburger said:

It was just a really shit game that could easily have gone either way. Personally I’d stop awarding a point each for a no score draw and make them have a penalty shootout for a solitary point, it’s all they deserve and at least the fans get a bit of drama and entertainment value. The hold what we start with mentality needs killing off once and for all. Bonus points for scoring 4 or more to balance out the loss of points. Shit days for fans like yesterdays need to be a rare exception.

I've thought for a long time that a point for a no-score draw should be done away with. You start with a point before the game, so why bother to score, & just set up not to lose. It encourages negative football. You should be rewarded for scoring goals for points, not have then gifted to you.

I think it’s very different and less deserving than a score draw. That’s why I’d have them contest a penalty shootout for just the one solitary point. I don’t want the winner coming away with 2 points and feeling their tactics were justified. I even really begrudge them the 1 point but there has to be some incentive to giving the fans just a little bit of something for their patience.