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Alex Neil
Oct 26, 2023 16:48:44 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 26, 2023 16:48:44 GMT
One or two struggling to get out of that corner they’ve backed into and one has completely disappeared 🤔 Who has completely disappeared? Just out of interest! Last night was a damn site better than Saturday and is hopefully a turning point rather than another false dawn. Make no mistake though, had the penalty gone in, we’d likely have lost and questions would be being asked again. Mr McMuffin and yes maybe we’ve had a change of luck at long last |
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Alex Neil
Oct 26, 2023 16:49:18 GMT
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 26, 2023 16:49:18 GMT
No because John Eustace would allready be here with his c.v in a matchbox I'm not a Neil fan myself but what's eustace done since being a manager? I get he's a ex player but his management cv is nowhere near what Neil's is, and that's coming from someone who wouldn't be arsed if Neil had the sack tomorrow. He's done nothing that's my point |
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Post by pavel on Oct 26, 2023 16:52:25 GMT
I wouldn’t crow yet and proclaim the second coming, you obviously know the history of Stoke as a supporter, we’ve had more false dawns than can be counted. The juries still out pondering the big question and no decision has be made yet. Let’s just be happy with 2 wins! You're o.k thanks, I'll back the manager. We're on the right road and every reason to be optimistic. The first quarter of a season was always going to be difficult to anybody with any common sense so I think I'll refrain from taking the doubters advice. You're witnessing a balanced team gelling under a tactically astute manager with 3 promotions under his belt at 42. There you go again spouting off and doing your put down to anyone who doesn’t share you view, “anybody with any common sense” phrase comes to mind. We’ll see but I can’t be bothered debating with you anymore you just can’t help yourself being a pompous know all. |
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Alex Neil
Oct 26, 2023 16:53:29 GMT
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Post by thornestein on Oct 26, 2023 16:53:29 GMT
People saying we’ve turned a corner after two narrow victories and sat in 16th…. The standard some of our fans have is appalling Good results but we are so far away from turning a corner by winning two games in a row. If we can go undefeated in the next 3/4 games I’ll agree You conveniently forget to mention that while we are in 16th place we 3 points off 10th place and 6 points off 4th, the table is very tight. We have had back to back wins, and a clean sheet, the players are clearly playing for the club each other and the Manager. If it will take an udefeated run of 5-6 games for you to agree we have turned a corner, that shows you are not in the real world. Why don't you be honest and say you don't like AN, you want him out regardless of anything. The standard of some of fans "support" is appalling. the ambition of some fans is even worse , and yes it will take a good unbeaten run to have turned the corner because his ppg is appalling |
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Alex Neil
Oct 26, 2023 16:55:30 GMT
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 26, 2023 16:55:30 GMT
You're o.k thanks, I'll back the manager. We're on the right road and every reason to be optimistic. The first quarter of a season was always going to be difficult to anybody with any common sense so I think I'll refrain from taking the doubters advice. You're witnessing a balanced team gelling under a tactically astute manager with 3 promotions under his belt at 42. There you go again spouting off and doing your put down to anyone who doesn’t share you view, “anybody with any common sense” phrase comes to mind. We’ll see but I can’t be bothered debating with you anymore you just can’t help yourself being a pompous know all. It's true though, it's fully earned. You've not even attempted to support the new season or given any time for 18 players to gel as a team. You've been insufferable with your constant negativity |
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Alex Neil
Oct 26, 2023 16:57:45 GMT
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Post by kerouac on Oct 26, 2023 16:57:45 GMT
We've turned a corner, the last two results and performances prove it. Players have gelled and it was unreasonable & outrageous to think in the first place that 17 new players that have only just met, half from foreign countries and without the benefit of a preseason just play together like clubs teams players do where a large proportion of the team and squad were their last season. What you're witnessing now is a balanced team full of new players assembled in one summer compete against top championship clubs. They're understanding each other and what the manager expects, they're settling into the country and it's starting to show on the pitch. Our set up last night every man knew their job, we dominated, they were set up to as good as perfect as you could hope for, that's top management & coaching I think you've gone to early on turning the corner. We've beaten a very depleted Sunderland side, and were a missed penalty away from another home defeat. Long way to go. If he keeps Laurent out of the side then we stand a chance. Wilmot out as well has helped him. Dare we say that with all the Wilmot rimmers about….? We haven’t missed him one bit, and certainly seem more cohesive at the back without him tear arsing around and executing his 1 in 6 hit rate Hollywood passes. |
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Post by pavel on Oct 26, 2023 17:06:04 GMT
Jesus you are grade A aren’t you, I have a different opinion, his record at Stoke has been nothing short of appalling. We’ve had a few wins and I hope it continues. It’s not negatively it’s looking at the cold facts of day, it’s a different opinion so what, get over it. I’ve been supporting Stoke for far too long to be carried away by a few isolated results or someone’s past cv. What a manager does here is what counts nothing else and as of yet he hasn’t shown anything that shows he will succeed. Perhaps he will and that would be great but it’s not negative to question someone who has the least points per game since we came down.
You have the gall calling someone insufferable, pot calling the kettle black methinks.
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Alex Neil
Oct 26, 2023 17:17:39 GMT
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 26, 2023 17:17:39 GMT
Jesus you are grade A aren’t you, I have a different opinion, his record at Stoke has been nothing short of appalling. We’ve had a few wins and I hope it continues. It’s not negatively it’s looking at the cold facts of day, it’s a different opinion so what, get over it. I’ve been supporting Stoke for far too long to be carried away by a few isolated results or someone’s past cv. What a manager does here is what counts nothing else and as of yet he hasn’t shown anything that shows he will succeed. Perhaps he will and that would be great but it’s not negative to question someone who has the least points per game since we came down. You have the gall calling someone insufferable, pot calling the kettle black methinks. They've gone through the difficult part without your support, we won't have to go through a gelling process again. We're on the right road from here, The manager has got this |
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Post by pavel on Oct 26, 2023 17:23:42 GMT
Jesus you are grade A aren’t you, I have a different opinion, his record at Stoke has been nothing short of appalling. We’ve had a few wins and I hope it continues. It’s not negatively it’s looking at the cold facts of day, it’s a different opinion so what, get over it. I’ve been supporting Stoke for far too long to be carried away by a few isolated results or someone’s past cv. What a manager does here is what counts nothing else and as of yet he hasn’t shown anything that shows he will succeed. Perhaps he will and that would be great but it’s not negative to question someone who has the least points per game since we came down. You have the gall calling someone insufferable, pot calling the kettle black methinks. They've gone through the difficult part without your support, we won't have to go through a gelling process again. We're on the right road from here, The manager has got this Without my support? Grow up mate I’ve been supporting them for too many years to remember. You sound like some bloody chatbot. “We’re on the right road…… the manager has got this” I support Stoke City, managers come and go. |
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 26, 2023 17:26:31 GMT
They've gone through the difficult part without your support, we won't have to go through a gelling process again. We're on the right road from here, The manager has got this Without my support? Grow up mate I’ve been supporting them for too many years to remember. You sound like some bloody chatbot. “We’re on the right road…… the manager has got this” I support Stoke City, managers come and go. What type of supporters don't give 18 new players a chance to acclimatise and gel though, a whole new squad of them |
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Post by cheadlepotter on Oct 26, 2023 17:30:50 GMT
Jesus you are grade A aren’t you, I have a different opinion, his record at Stoke has been nothing short of appalling. We’ve had a few wins and I hope it continues. It’s not negatively it’s looking at the cold facts of day, it’s a different opinion so what, get over it. I’ve been supporting Stoke for far too long to be carried away by a few isolated results or someone’s past cv. What a manager does here is what counts nothing else and as of yet he hasn’t shown anything that shows he will succeed. Perhaps he will and that would be great but it’s not negative to question someone who has the least points per game since we came down. You have the gall calling someone insufferable, pot calling the kettle black methinks. To be fair what he’s done elsewhere isn’t that impressive. His promotions with Norwich and Sunderland were with someone else’s squad, he’s never achieved anything with his own players. He’s been terrible in his 13-14 months here so far, and nobody should get carried away with a couple of home wins - see March last season. But let’s see where we are come Christmas. There’s some signs of improvement at least. |
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Alex Neil
Oct 26, 2023 17:34:12 GMT
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Post by pavel on Oct 26, 2023 17:34:12 GMT
Without my support? Grow up mate I’ve been supporting them for too many years to remember. You sound like some bloody chatbot. “We’re on the right road…… the manager has got this” I support Stoke City, managers come and go. What type of supporters don't give 18 new players a chance to acclimatise and gel though, a whole new squad of them Who hasn’t given them time to acclimatise, I fully expected it to take time, that was my worry with what the club had to do over the transfer window. I just don’t rate Neil’s tenure at Stoke, is that so hard to understand. Opinions eh. |
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Alex Neil
Oct 26, 2023 17:43:05 GMT
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 26, 2023 17:43:05 GMT
What type of supporters don't give 18 new players a chance to acclimatise and gel though, a whole new squad of them Who hasn’t given them time to acclimatise, I fully expected it to take time, that was my worry with what the club had to do over the transfer window. I just don’t rate Neil’s tenure at Stoke, is that so hard to understand. Opinions eh. No, to be fair I'm probably going ott in opposite direction but the doom people have been preaching is far off in the other direction. I'm confident enough to say though that the manager and team have overcome a big hurdle in getting 18 new players to play effectively as a team and it's immensely satisfying. We'll never have to go over that hurdle again, there is a team here and it's a fantastic foundation to build from, exciting times |
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Post by nottsover60 on Oct 26, 2023 17:58:16 GMT
I think you've gone to early on turning the corner. We've beaten a very depleted Sunderland side, and were a missed penalty away from another home defeat. Long way to go. If he keeps Laurent out of the side then we stand a chance. Wilmot out as well has helped him. That's rubbish, you could make a case for a few games we were unlucky not to get the points this season, doubters quick to point out it doesn't matter though. Earlier in the season it seemed everyshot we faced went in the back of the net, luck evens itself out and we're due a few bits ourselves, we should have had 7 penalties for starters. I thought then when Sunderland hit the post last game, that would have gone in a few games a go, maybe pur fortune is changing. No, what you're witnessing now is a group of players that are well on their way to gelling as a unit who are all putting a shift in, it's turning. We won't win every game we're not expected too it's an unpredictable, competitive league but we're definatley improving, that's a fact and these players are good to watch Yes last night there was a scramble ending in a Leeds shot when I fully expected to see the net bulge as it seemed to do every time there was a scramble in our box for three months, but no the shot went wide. So many fine margins that it is ridiculous to judge a season on ten games. If we'd had the penalty against Southampton and they hadn't wrongly been given the free kick they scored from we would have been looking at an extra three points and three consecutive home wins against play off contenders. EDIT Assuming we'd scored the penalty. |
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Alex Neil
Oct 26, 2023 19:00:02 GMT
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Post by cheadlepotter on Oct 26, 2023 19:00:02 GMT
That's rubbish, you could make a case for a few games we were unlucky not to get the points this season, doubters quick to point out it doesn't matter though. Earlier in the season it seemed everyshot we faced went in the back of the net, luck evens itself out and we're due a few bits ourselves, we should have had 7 penalties for starters. I thought then when Sunderland hit the post last game, that would have gone in a few games a go, maybe pur fortune is changing. No, what you're witnessing now is a group of players that are well on their way to gelling as a unit who are all putting a shift in, it's turning. We won't win every game we're not expected too it's an unpredictable, competitive league but we're definatley improving, that's a fact and these players are good to watch Yes last night there was a scramble ending in a Leeds shot when I fully expected to see the net bulge as it seemed to do every time there was a scramble in our box for three months, but no the shot went wide. So many fine margins that it is ridiculous to judge a season on ten games. If we'd had the penalty against Southampton and they hadn't wrongly been given the free kick they scored from we would have been looking at an extra three points and three consecutive wins against play off contenders. EDIT Assuming we'd scored the penalty. It’s probably worth saying that the referee body have apologised SIX times this season for us missing out on penalties. We don’t know what the result of those penalties would have been, or what the rest of the match would have looked like, but considering we’re only 6 points behind 3rd placed Leeds I’d imagine we’d be much higher now. |
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Alex Neil
Oct 26, 2023 19:32:08 GMT
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 26, 2023 19:32:08 GMT
That's rubbish, you could make a case for a few games we were unlucky not to get the points this season, doubters quick to point out it doesn't matter though. Earlier in the season it seemed everyshot we faced went in the back of the net, luck evens itself out and we're due a few bits ourselves, we should have had 7 penalties for starters. I thought then when Sunderland hit the post last game, that would have gone in a few games a go, maybe pur fortune is changing. No, what you're witnessing now is a group of players that are well on their way to gelling as a unit who are all putting a shift in, it's turning. We won't win every game we're not expected too it's an unpredictable, competitive league but we're definatley improving, that's a fact and these players are good to watch Yes last night there was a scramble ending in a Leeds shot when I fully expected to see the net bulge as it seemed to do every time there was a scramble in our box for three months, but no the shot went wide. So many fine margins that it is ridiculous to judge a season on ten games. If we'd had the penalty against Southampton and they hadn't wrongly been given the free kick they scored from we would have been looking at an extra three points and three consecutive wins against play off contenders. EDIT Assuming we'd scored the penalty. Exactly, that's why a season is judged over 46 games isn't it. You could toss a coin 5 times and get heads 5 times, you won't do that over 46 tosses though, it will even out. I just can't fathom how people can't see that 17 new players need time. Yeah I'm with you on the fortune thing definatley, Wesley's header last night cannons off the crossbar and hits their man to go in, a few games back that ball comes off the bar and its cleared for a corners, it's strange how the rub of the green can turn. The position we sit in now though, a balanced team with exciting players as good as clicked is a situation we've not been in for a very long time and the season is still early. Every reason to be optimistic, a couple of good wins gives them confidence as an outfit |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Oct 26, 2023 19:48:44 GMT
Fair play to him for the last 2 results and long may it continue.
Hes still got a fair bit to do to convince me hes the right man though
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Alex Neil
Oct 26, 2023 20:05:13 GMT
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 26, 2023 20:05:13 GMT
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Post by glpotter on Oct 26, 2023 20:15:19 GMT
People saying we’ve turned a corner after two narrow victories and sat in 16th…. The standard some of our fans have is appalling Good results but we are so far away from turning a corner by winning two games in a row. If we can go undefeated in the next 3/4 games I’ll agree You conveniently forget to mention that while we are in 16th place we 3 points off 10th place and 6 points off 4th, the table is very tight. We have had back to back wins, and a clean sheet, the players are clearly playing for the club each other and the Manager. If it will take an udefeated run of 5-6 games for you to agree we have turned a corner, that shows you are not in the real world. Why don't you be honest and say you don't like AN, you want him out regardless of anything. The standard of some of fans "support" is appalling. Grow up I don’t dislike the man, I dislike the decision making and lack of urgency to change things in a game or any plan B I support stoke and it’s for that reason I want the best for this club and strangely to me, being a mid table championship team Isn’t enough for me because I care. You’re childish comments aren’t welcome |
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Post by glpotter on Oct 26, 2023 20:17:00 GMT
Fair play to him for the last 2 results and long may it continue. Hes still got a fair bit to do to convince me hes the right man though Exactly this |
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Post by roylandstoke on Oct 26, 2023 21:49:51 GMT
still doesn’t change his overall record here being shit though , it’s a start but still a long way go before it’s all ok Seriously, who in their right mind would expect a newly formed team to hit the ground running? Vincent Kompany. |
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Post by roylandstoke on Oct 26, 2023 22:00:48 GMT
We’ve had a little bit of luck in the last 2 games and picked up 2 good wins. We were due that luck.
We had some good wins in March and had a chance of making the playoffs. Those results were followed by 2 points from 7 games.
Alex Neil has a long way to go to show he has turned a corner.
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Post by nottsover60 on Oct 26, 2023 23:43:46 GMT
Seriously, who in their right mind would expect a newly formed team to hit the ground running? Vincent Kompany. Who spent over £100 million on his incomings. Remind me how much we spent this summer? Did we top £10 miliion? |
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Alex Neil
Oct 27, 2023 0:31:58 GMT
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Post by roylandstoke on Oct 27, 2023 0:31:58 GMT
Who spent over £100 million on his incomings. Remind me how much we spent this summer? Did we top £10 miliion? We spent more than most of the teams above us. Our manager is the 7th longest serving manager in the division. Our wage bill is assessed as the 7th largest in the division. A decent manager would achieve a comfortable top half finish given the situation outlined above. A good manager would expect top 6 at least. There are no excuses for Alex Neil to fail this season. |
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Post by rowbeartoe on Oct 27, 2023 2:38:29 GMT
There have been many teams that had a shit start that ended up getting promoted or in play offs at least from worse positions than our current one. See where we're at come the international break.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2023 3:38:12 GMT
Who spent over £100 million on his incomings. Remind me how much we spent this summer? Did we top £10 miliion? They spent less than £40 million. |
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Alex Neil
Oct 27, 2023 5:39:22 GMT
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Oct 27, 2023 5:39:22 GMT
Seriously, who in their right mind would expect a newly formed team to hit the ground running? Vincent Kompany. Name me another, as my view is that this is rare. Burnley also had a difficult start if I remember correctly. |
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 27, 2023 6:41:15 GMT
Who spent over £100 million on his incomings. Remind me how much we spent this summer? Did we top £10 miliion? We spent more than most of the teams above us. Our manager is the 7th longest serving manager in the division. Our wage bill is assessed as the 7th largest in the division. A decent manager would achieve a comfortable top half finish given the situation outlined above. A good manager would expect top 6 at least. There are no excuses for Alex Neil to fail this season. Of course we spent more than most teams above us, we have had to bring in 18 players and unless you wanted a squad full of average league 1 players we had to test the water abroad to find value so you're looking at half a squad that have never played English football, probably never even set foot in the country which brings its own problems early doors. The amount spent was also offset by sales, so what is the true net spend? It's extremely low I know that much. Come the end of the season he's going to be praised by fans, media and pundits alike for the transformation, I'm sure of it. The next couple of windows have never looked so appealing if these new incomings are anything to go by |
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Post by satoshi on Oct 27, 2023 6:51:36 GMT
People get so attached to managers they seem to forget that all managers ultimately get sacked unless their name is Sir Alex.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Oct 27, 2023 7:50:33 GMT
Who spent over £100 million on his incomings. Remind me how much we spent this summer? Did we top £10 miliion? Not last season he didnt. No where near that |
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