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Post by thornestein on Oct 26, 2023 11:33:20 GMT
Two games change nothing really. Apart from an additional 6 points and playing decent football with more confidence š¤£ still doesnāt change his overall record here being shit though , itās a start but still a long way go before itās all ok |
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 26, 2023 11:36:59 GMT
Exactly, nothing has been proven either way. We've turned a corner, the last two results and performances prove it. Players have gelled and it was unreasonable & outrageous to think in the first place that 17 new players that have only just met, half from foreign countries and without the benefit of a preseason just play together like clubs teams players do where a large proportion of the team and squad were their last season. What you're witnessing now is a balanced team full of new players assembled in one summer compete against top championship clubs. They're understanding each other and what the manager expects, they're settling into the country and it's starting to show on the pitch. Our set up last night every man knew their job, we dominated, they were set up to as good as perfect as you could hope for, that's top management & coaching I think you've gone to early on turning the corner. We've beaten a very depleted Sunderland side, and were a missed penalty away from another home defeat. Long way to go. If he keeps Laurent out of the side then we stand a chance. Wilmot out as well has helped him. |
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 26, 2023 11:45:18 GMT
We've turned a corner, the last two results and performances prove it. Players have gelled and it was unreasonable & outrageous to think in the first place that 17 new players that have only just met, half from foreign countries and without the benefit of a preseason just play together like clubs teams players do where a large proportion of the team and squad were their last season. What you're witnessing now is a balanced team full of new players assembled in one summer compete against top championship clubs. They're understanding each other and what the manager expects, they're settling into the country and it's starting to show on the pitch. Our set up last night every man knew their job, we dominated, they were set up to as good as perfect as you could hope for, that's top management & coaching I think you've gone to early on turning the corner. We've beaten a very depleted Sunderland side, and were a missed penalty away from another home defeat. Long way to go.Ā If he keeps Laurent out of the side then we stand a chance.Ā Wilmot out as well has helped him. That's rubbish, you could make a case for a few games we were unlucky not to get the points this season, doubters quick to point out it doesn't matter though. Earlier in the season it seemed everyshot we faced went in the back of the net, luck evens itself out and we're due a few bits ourselves, we should have had 7 penalties for starters. I thought then when Sunderland hit the post last game, that would have gone in a few games a go, maybe pur fortune is changing. No, what you're witnessing now is a group of players that are well on their way to gelling as a unit who are all putting a shift in, it's turning. We won't win every game we're not expected too it's an unpredictable, competitive league but we're definatley improving, that's a fact and these players are good to watch |
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Post by idle on Oct 26, 2023 11:46:17 GMT
Anyone with half a brain knew that it would take a while to get this team to gel. We're not there yet and I expect it will take another month or so before we are a great side. Two fantastic home wins and some people on here are either stubborn or thick to suggest that he should be sacked. Stop making yourselves look silly and back him. Admitting you're wrong is a strength, not a weakness. Let's not get gloss over the fact the game was there for the taking tonight and yet again he was too slow in making subs, they made three and instantly win a penalty. If someone other than Bamford doesn't take it, they go 1-0 up, our heads drop, he makes 3 desperation subs and we lose the game. We got lucky, but we haven't had much of that this season. Maybe it's beginning to even out. Also, they put on three players that arguably should have started (according to Leeds fans). Who should we have put on? Laurent? Wes? Junior? Only Junho and Haks could've changed something for us going forward, but then we'd have to take of Leris and Johnson. |
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Post by thornestein on Oct 26, 2023 11:49:38 GMT
One or two struggling to get out of that corner theyāve backed into and one has completely disappeared š¤ I think both arguments are right to be honest. He was rightly under pressure but has brought some time with two great results. The next few weeks are absolutely massive for this season. exactly, some think we are world beating after two wins , itās a great start but needs more to say heās doing good |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 26, 2023 11:54:53 GMT
I think both arguments are right to be honest. He was rightly under pressure but has brought some time with two great results. The next few weeks are absolutely massive for this season. exactly, some think we are world beating after two wins , itās a great start but needs more to say heās doing good No one thinks weāre world beating at all mate and I actually think weāve had abit of luck in the 2 wins if Iām honest but you can tell from being in the crowd last night that thereās belief returning to both players and fans in the last 2 games and long may it continue. |
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Post by peterthornesboots on Oct 26, 2023 11:55:11 GMT
Absolutely chuffed to bits with the performance last night. I thought that we were comfortably the better team in the first half before showing plenty of character in the second period.
That is two big results in four days.
Ironically, two massive slices of luck might have turned our fortunes around. If Bamford scored the penalty last night and the Sunderland header went in (rather than hitting the post) then we would be having a very different conversation.
Let's hope that the last four days is the turning point for us! š
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Post by thornestein on Oct 26, 2023 11:56:15 GMT
exactly, some think we are world beating after two wins , itās a great start but needs more to say heās doing good No one thinks weāre world beating at all mate and I actually think weāve had abit of luck in the 2 wins if Iām honest but you can tell from being in the crowd last night that thereās belief returning to both players and fans in the last 2 games and long may it continue. the crowd after the penalty miss spurred them on and Neil admits it |
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Post by Maccasbarmyarmy on Oct 26, 2023 11:57:48 GMT
Some of the supporters on here are laughable yeah letās get rid of Neil whoās got out of this league for someone whoās won 21 out of 63 games in charge of brum people need give their heads a wobble seriously
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 26, 2023 11:59:01 GMT
No one thinks weāre world beating at all mate and I actually think weāve had abit of luck in the 2 wins if Iām honest but you can tell from being in the crowd last night that thereās belief returning to both players and fans in the last 2 games and long may it continue. the crowd after the penalty miss spurred them on and Neil admits it Totally agree and at times thatās exactly what is needed |
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Post by nottsover60 on Oct 26, 2023 12:01:22 GMT
Apart from an additional 6 points and playing decent football with more confidence š¤£ still doesnāt change his overall record here being shit though , itās a start but still a long way go before itās all ok True but I think it does show enough team spirit and ability to get a result when needed to reassure us that relegation is out of the question. I'm not expecting promotion. The next big test is the next home game v Cardiff. Not a glamour team but one more than capable of beating us if we don't put in the effort shown in the last two matches |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Oct 26, 2023 12:11:03 GMT
Apart from an additional 6 points and playing decent football with more confidence š¤£ still doesnāt change his overall record here being shit though , itās a start but still a long way go before itās all ok Seriously, who in their right mind would expect a newly formed team to hit the ground running? |
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Post by thornestein on Oct 26, 2023 13:59:44 GMT
still doesnāt change his overall record here being shit though , itās a start but still a long way go before itās all ok True but I think it does show enough team spirit and ability to get a result when needed to reassure us that relegation is out of the question. I'm not expecting promotion. The next big test is the next home game v Cardiff. Not aĀ glamour team but one more than capable of beating us if we don't put in the effort shown in the last two matches it doesnāt matter if youāre expecting promotion, Neil as stated he bought here for promotion last season or this , Coates is expecting at least a playoff challenge |
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Post by thornestein on Oct 26, 2023 14:00:49 GMT
still doesnāt change his overall record here being shit though , itās a start but still a long way go before itās all ok Seriously, who in their right mind would expect a newly formed team to hit the ground running? you saying every newly formed team ever as never done well to start with š¤£šš¤£š |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Oct 26, 2023 14:33:41 GMT
Seriously, who in their right mind would expect a newly formed team to hit the ground running? you saying every newly formed team ever as never done well to start with š¤£šš¤£š I would say it mostly takes time, with the odd exception. It's all about realistic expectations and patience. Sadly some clowns on here wanted him sacked and didn't take this into account. |
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Post by thornestein on Oct 26, 2023 14:47:23 GMT
you saying every newly formed team ever as never done well to start with š¤£šš¤£š I would say it mostly takes time, with the odd exception. It's all about realistic expectations and patience. Sadly some clowns on here wanted him sacked and didn't take this into account. his record he deserved sacking and heās not out the woods yet , he still only on just over 1pt per game |
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Post by telfordstokie on Oct 26, 2023 14:58:30 GMT
Iām delighted with the last two games but think the āweāve turned a corner and anyone who has any doubts is stupidā gloating might be best off waiting until we are in the top 6 or even close to it rather than 17th.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Oct 26, 2023 15:00:39 GMT
I would say it mostly takes time, with the odd exception. It's all about realistic expectations and patience. Sadly some clowns on here wanted him sacked and didn't take this into account. his record he deserved sacking and heās not out the woods yet , he still only on just over 1pt per game Come back to me after Christmas |
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Post by glpotter on Oct 26, 2023 15:01:41 GMT
Iām delighted with the last two games but think the āweāve turned a corner and anyone who has any doubts is stupidā gloating might be best off waiting until we are in the top 6 or even close to it rather than 17th. People saying weāve turned a corner after two narrow victories and sat in 16thā¦. The standard some of our fans have is appalling Good results but we are so far away from turning a corner by winning two games in a row. If we can go undefeated in the next 3/4 games Iāll agree |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Oct 26, 2023 15:03:27 GMT
I would say it mostly takes time, with the odd exception. It's all about realistic expectations and patience. Sadly some clowns on here wanted him sacked and didn't take this into account. his record he deserved sacking and heās not out the woods yet , he still only on just over 1pt per game Serious question, would you sack him now? |
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Post by thornestein on Oct 26, 2023 15:08:13 GMT
his record he deserved sacking and heās not out the woods yet , he still only on just over 1pt per game Serious question, would you sack him now? depends who we can get tbh , but i donāt expect a playoff push with him in charge , and thatās his mandate |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Oct 26, 2023 15:10:47 GMT
Serious question, would you sack him now? depends who we can get tbh , but i donāt expect a playoff push with him in charge , and thatās his mandate Fair enough mate. Personally, I think he'll take us up in the next couple of years. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 26, 2023 15:21:26 GMT
his record he deserved sacking and heās not out the woods yet , he still only on just over 1pt per game Serious question, would you sack him now? I'd have understood if he had been sacked at the international break if I'm being honest. Its not been a good 14 or so months since he arrived. But I said I'd give him the 3 games after the break to prove me wrong. So far he's proving me wrong and to be fair the last 2 games have proven he's not lost the players, who are visibly working harder and on top of that I can see a more cohesive team. He's bought himself till xmas off the back of the last 2 games. A win at Borough might just show he could well be the man to get us into the top 6. I hope he can š |
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 26, 2023 15:34:07 GMT
his record he deserved sacking and heās not out the woods yet , he still only on just over 1pt per game Serious question, would you sack him now? No because John Eustace would allready be here with his c.v in a matchbox |
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Post by pavel on Oct 26, 2023 16:27:53 GMT
Serious question, would you sack him now? No because John Eustace would allready be here with his c.v in a matchbox I wouldnāt crow yet and proclaim the second coming, you obviously know the history of Stoke as a supporter, weāve had more false dawns than can be counted. The juries still out pondering the big question and no decision has be made yet. Letās just be happy with 2 wins! |
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Post by crownmeking on Oct 26, 2023 16:35:01 GMT
Iām delighted with the last two games but think the āweāve turned a corner and anyone who has any doubts is stupidā gloating might be best off waiting until we are in the top 6 or even close to it rather than 17th. People saying weāve turned a corner after two narrow victories and sat in 16thā¦. The standard some of our fans have is appalling Good results but we are so far away from turning a corner by winning two games in a row. If we can go undefeated in the next 3/4 games Iāll agree You conveniently forget to mention that while we are in 16th place we 3 points off 10th place and 6 points off 4th, the table is very tight. We have had back to back wins, and a clean sheet, the players are clearly playing for the club each other and the Manager. If it will take an udefeated run of 5-6 games for you to agree we have turned a corner, that shows you are not in the real world. Why don't you be honest and say you don't like AN, you want him out regardless of anything. The standard of some of fans "support" is appalling. |
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Post by crownmeking on Oct 26, 2023 16:36:13 GMT
No because John Eustace would allready be here with his c.v in a matchbox I wouldnāt crow yet and proclaim the second coming, you obviously know the history of Stoke as a supporter, weāve had more false dawns than can be counted. The juries still out pondering the big question and no decision has be made yet. Letās just be happy with 2 wins! You've made your decision though haven't you? You want AN gone? |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 26, 2023 16:44:50 GMT
One or two struggling to get out of that corner theyāve backed into and one has completely disappeared š¤ Who has completely disappeared? Just out of interest! Last night was a damn site better than Saturday and is hopefully a turning point rather than another false dawn. Make no mistake though, had the penalty gone in, weād likely have lost and questions would be being asked again. |
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 26, 2023 16:46:00 GMT
No because John Eustace would allready be here with his c.v in a matchbox I wouldnāt crow yet and proclaim the second coming, you obviously know the history of Stoke as a supporter, weāve had more false dawns than can be counted. The juries still out pondering the big question and no decision has be made yet. Letās just be happy with 2 wins! You're o.k thanks, I'll back the manager. We're on the right road and every reason to be optimistic. The first quarter of a season was always going to be difficult to anybody with any common sense so I think I'll refrain from taking the doubters advice. You're witnessing a balanced team gelling under a tactically astute manager with 3 promotions under his belt at 42. Best of all, he's assembled it in one summer. |
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Post by TinkerT on Oct 26, 2023 16:47:37 GMT
Serious question, would you sack him now? No because John Eustace would allready be here with his c.v in a matchbox I'm not a Neil fan myself but what's eustace done since being a manager? I get he's a ex player but his management cv is nowhere near what Neil's is, and that's coming from someone who wouldn't be arsed if Neil had the sack tomorrow. |
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