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Post by dirtygary69 on Oct 26, 2023 10:02:27 GMT
Let's not get gloss over the fact the game was there for the taking tonight and yet again he was too slow in making subs, they made three and instantly win a penalty. If someone other than Bamford doesn't take it, they go 1-0 up, our heads drop, he makes 3 desperation subs and we lose the game. But did any of that happen? No, so he called it right did he not? Getting pelters for something that happened in an alternative universe. That's Stoke fans. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 26, 2023 10:10:14 GMT
Two games change nothing really.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Oct 26, 2023 10:15:10 GMT
Two games change nothing really. Apart from an additional 6 points and playing decent football with more confidence 🤣 |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 26, 2023 10:17:33 GMT
Two games change nothing really. Apart from an additional 6 points and playing decent football with more confidence 🤣 Re the manager. And the Sunderland game was shite. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Oct 26, 2023 10:22:28 GMT
Still needs to go, along with Laurent. 2 wins and we all forget how overly wank he's been Can’t argue with 2 wins, but, if he was sacked tomorrow I don’t think I’d be disappointed or surprised. You're hardly Stoke's number 1 fan are you? You do realise that every one of the starters were signed by Stoke this summer with only Hoever and Pearson having played for us last year. Of course he has brought in some of his ex players who know what he wants. He needs those players to do the organising on the pitch. Johnson is constantly talking to players and telling them what they should do. I find it remarkable that a team which included two players out injured for three months and only two of whom had ever played together before the season started were able to put in two performances so reliant on team work rather than individual ability. That shows, a lot of work on the training field. Watching the Bobby Charlton documentary a comment by Matt Busby after the Munich disaster struck me. After they lost the FA cup final that season he was asked how long he thought it would take to rebuild the Utd team. I know it's different circumstances and a different era but his answer was five years. Yet some expect Stoke to have been rebuilt in less than five months. |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Oct 26, 2023 10:23:35 GMT
Apart from an additional 6 points and playing decent football with more confidence 🤣 Re the manager. And the Sunderland game was shite. Doesn't the manager pick the side and organise a bunch of newbies into playing together? Must be difficult for you to admit that we're starting to gather momentum. Let's see where we are in January. |
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 26, 2023 10:24:31 GMT
Apart from an additional 6 points and playing decent football with more confidence 🤣 Re the manager. And the Sunderland game was shite. It's really pissed on yours and a few others chips hasn't it, the tough run of fixtures you were hoping to see the back of a good manager is turning out to be the turning point where the team has clicked and all you've done all along is slag the manager off after bringing in 18 new players. Joker |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Oct 26, 2023 10:25:46 GMT
Can’t argue with 2 wins, but, if he was sacked tomorrow I don’t think I’d be disappointed or surprised. You're hardly Stoke's number 1 fan are you? You do realise that everyone of the starters were signed by Stoke this summer with only Hoever and Pearson having played for us last year. Of course he has brought in some of his ex players who know what he wants he needs those players to do the organising on the pitch. Johnson is constantly talking to players and telling them what they should do. I find it remarkable that a team which included two players out injured for three months and only two of whom had ever played together before the season started were able to put in two performances so reliant on team work rather than individual ability. That shows, a lot of work on the training field. Watching the Bobby Charlton documentary a comment by Matt Busby after the Munich disaster struck me. After they lost the FA cup final that season he was asked how long he thought it would take to rebuild the Utd team. I know it's different circumstances and a different era but his answer was five years. Yet some expect Stoke to have been rebuilt in less than five months. Couldn't have put it better myself. |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Oct 26, 2023 10:28:33 GMT
Still needs to go, along with Laurent. 2 wins and we all forget how overly wank he's been Just out of interest, did you used to head the ball like your profile picture? |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Oct 26, 2023 10:29:52 GMT
Re the manager. And the Sunderland game was shite. It's really pissed on yours and a few others chips hasn't it, the tough run of fixtures you were hoping to see the back of a good manager is turning out to be the turning point where the team has clicked and all you've done all along is slag the manager off after bringing in 18 new players. Joker People would rather be right than watch us improve. Sad really 😞 |
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 26, 2023 10:38:38 GMT
It's really pissed on yours and a few others chips hasn't it, the tough run of fixtures you were hoping to see the back of a good manager is turning out to be the turning point where the team has clicked and all you've done all along is slag the manager off after bringing in 18 new players. Joker People would rather be right than watch us improve. Sad really 😞 The needing to be right thing is ridiculous but it's definatley a thing. What gets me most is I always thought that being a supporter of a particular football meant that you actually 'support' them. The club have cleared the decks this summer and really made an effort but a few have far from 'supported' them through a bold change in approach to recruitment, they can't wait to bash anything and everything about the club, that's not support. |
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Post by LGH87 on Oct 26, 2023 10:53:28 GMT
Let's not get gloss over the fact the game was there for the taking tonight and yet again he was too slow in making subs, they made three and instantly win a penalty. If someone other than Bamford doesn't take it, they go 1-0 up, our heads drop, he makes 3 desperation subs and we lose the game. But did any of that happen? No, so he called it right did he not? Ah yeah, he must've known Bamford would miss the penalty  The point I was trying to make before you tried to be a smart arsed twat, was the fact we surrendered momentum in a game because he was yet again too slow to make subs. A game in which up to that point he'd got pretty much right and we deserved to be in front in. Had Bamford scored and we'd lost the game it would've been down to him being too slow to make changes, thus surrendering a very winnable game. Of course it all worked out ok but hindsight is a wonderful thing and in the future we may not get so lucky or come up against someone as wank at pens as Bamford is  |
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Post by scfcno1fan on Oct 26, 2023 10:57:16 GMT
Can’t argue with 2 wins, but, if he was sacked tomorrow I don’t think I’d be disappointed or surprised. You're hardly Stoke's number 1 fan are you? You do realise that every one of the starters were signed by Stoke this summer with only Hoever and Pearson having played for us last year. Of course he has brought in some of his ex players who know what he wants. He needs those players to do the organising on the pitch. Johnson is constantly talking to players and telling them what they should do. I find it remarkable that a team which included two players out injured for three months and only two of whom had ever played together before the season started were able to put in two performances so reliant on team work rather than individual ability. That shows, a lot of work on the training field. Watching the Bobby Charlton documentary a comment by Matt Busby after the Munich disaster struck me. After they lost the FA cup final that season he was asked how long he thought it would take to rebuild the Utd team. I know it's different circumstances and a different era but his answer was five years. Yet some expect Stoke to have been rebuilt in less than five months. Let’s see where we are in 6 weeks. I hope the early season shortcomings of AN have been overcome. I can’t understand people getting carried away after 2 wins though. We were fortunate to win last night given the circumstances of the missed penalty and against Sunderland, it also could have gone either way. And just because I wouldn’t be surprised or disappointed if he got sacked, doesn’t mean I’m not backing him to do the best he can to get the strongest results possible. I think people seem to associate a lack of confidence in the manager with us wanting Stoke to fail? That’s obviously not the case. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 26, 2023 11:12:48 GMT
One or two struggling to get out of that corner they’ve backed into and one has completely disappeared 🤔
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Post by stokest5 on Oct 26, 2023 11:15:12 GMT
I think the problem is supporters are so divided instead of pulling together like we should. In some peoples eyes Neil can’t do anything good even when he deserves credit and vice versa.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 26, 2023 11:15:43 GMT
But did any of that happen? No, so he called it right did he not? Ah yeah, he must've known Bamford would miss the penalty The point I was trying to make before you tried to be a smart arsed twat, was the fact we surrendered momentum in a game because he was yet again too slow to make subs. A game in which up to that point he'd got pretty much right and we deserved to be in front in. Had Bamford scored and we'd lost the game it would've been down to him being too slow to make changes, thus surrendering a very winnable game. Of course it all worked out ok but hindsight is a wonderful thing and in the future we may not get so lucky or come up against someone as wank at pens as Bamford is You lose the argument in your second paragraph when you call me a ‘smart arse twat’. Was there really any need? Is your vocabulary so poor and your temper so short that you can’t debate without abusing your questioner? |
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Post by caine on Oct 26, 2023 11:19:06 GMT
Just enjoy the past two results….
I said see where he is come Xmas and if we are 6 points or less come Jan I would be very happy. Think they know we are still short in defence.
I’m not 100 percent convinced on him yet but he deserves to prove us all wrong given the turn over and injuries. Think we all know it we are bottom half come the end or the season then a change will no doubt be coming.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Oct 26, 2023 11:23:01 GMT
Ah yeah, he must've known Bamford would miss the penalty The point I was trying to make before you tried to be a smart arsed twat, was the fact we surrendered momentum in a game because he was yet again too slow to make subs. A game in which up to that point he'd got pretty much right and we deserved to be in front in. Had Bamford scored and we'd lost the game it would've been down to him being too slow to make changes, thus surrendering a very winnable game. Of course it all worked out ok but hindsight is a wonderful thing and in the future we may not get so lucky or come up against someone as wank at pens as Bamford is You lose the argument in your second paragraph when you call me a ‘smart arse twat’. Was there really any need? Is your vocabulary so poor and your temper so short that you can’t debate without abusing your questioner? He's just rattled mate because we won again. Don't take it personally, it's the way some people roll. |
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 26, 2023 11:23:46 GMT
One or two struggling to get out of that corner they’ve backed into and one has completely disappeared 🤔 Lol, have we been promoted then? |
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 26, 2023 11:24:55 GMT
One or two struggling to get out of that corner they’ve backed into and one has completely disappeared 🤔 Lol, have we been promoted then? Has anybody else? |
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 26, 2023 11:25:51 GMT
Lol, have we been promoted then? Has anybody else? Exactly, nothing has been proven either way. |
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Post by emretezzy on Oct 26, 2023 11:26:33 GMT
One or two struggling to get out of that corner they’ve backed into and one has completely disappeared 🤔 I think both arguments are right to be honest. He was rightly under pressure but has brought some time with two great results. The next few weeks are absolutely massive for this season. |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Oct 26, 2023 11:26:43 GMT
One or two struggling to get out of that corner they’ve backed into and one has completely disappeared 🤔 Lol, have we been promoted then? I think you know the answer to that. We've just beaten 2 top 6 sides on the bounce, so stop being silly and enjoy it. The good times are coming. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 26, 2023 11:27:15 GMT
One or two struggling to get out of that corner they’ve backed into and one has completely disappeared 🤔 Lol, have we been promoted then? Where have I said that?You and many others did exactly the same with Pulis and had to taste that humble pie in the end,some folk just never learn.I’ve been as frustrated/pissed off as the next Stokie but the abuse he’s had is way OTT for me and deep down you know it is as well. |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Oct 26, 2023 11:29:09 GMT
One or two struggling to get out of that corner they’ve backed into and one has completely disappeared 🤔 I think both arguments are right to be honest. He was rightly under pressure but has brought some time with two great results. The next few weeks are absolutely massive for this season. Isn't it blindingly obvious that he had to be given time? I won't bleat on about having a completely different squad of players, some of which have moved to a different country etc... |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Oct 26, 2023 11:29:30 GMT
One or two struggling to get out of that corner they’ve backed into and one has completely disappeared 🤔 I think both arguments are right to be honest. He was rightly under pressure but has brought some time with two great results. The next few weeks are absolutely massive for this season. Isn't it blindingly obvious that he had to be given time? I won't bleat on about having a completely different squad of players, some of which have moved to a different country etc... |
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 26, 2023 11:29:40 GMT
Lol, have we been promoted then? Where have I said that?You and many others did exactly the same with Pulis and had to taste that humble pie in the end,some folk just never learn.I’ve been as frustrated/pissed off as the next Stokie but the abuse he’s had is way OTT for me and deep down you know it is as well. Pulis... I knew it wouldn't be long. Christ. |
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Post by chiswickpotter on Oct 26, 2023 11:31:23 GMT
Just settle in and enjoy the ride don’t try and argue with the people who won’t listen. We are making progress and it won’t be a straight line but we have a starting XI better in most and equal in a couple to our average line up over the last couple of seasons and Junior, Bae, Lowe, Sidibe, Tezgel and maybe Jojic to come through. I
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 26, 2023 11:33:03 GMT
Where have I said that?You and many others did exactly the same with Pulis and had to taste that humble pie in the end,some folk just never learn.I’ve been as frustrated/pissed off as the next Stokie but the abuse he’s had is way OTT for me and deep down you know it is as well. Pulis... I knew it wouldn't be long. Christ. Wouldn’t be long for what? |
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 26, 2023 11:33:13 GMT
Exactly, nothing has been proven either way. We've turned a corner, the last two results and performances prove it. Players have gelled and it was unreasonable & outrageous to think in the first place that 17 new players that have only just met, half from foreign countries and without the benefit of a preseason just play together like clubs teams players do where a large proportion of the team and squad were there last season. What you're witnessing now is a balanced team full of new players assembled in one summer compete against top championship clubs. They're understanding each other and what the manager expects, they're settling into the country and it's starting to show on the pitch. Our set up last night every man knew their job, we dominated, they were set up to as good as perfect as you could hope for, that's top management & coaching |
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