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Alex Neil
Oct 21, 2023 8:52:06 GMT
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 21, 2023 8:52:06 GMT
It just reiterates my point, he's not the man to get you a promotion, that's his forte, getting the best from poor standard teams which in this division means bottom quarter of the league. Alex Neil's forte is winning promotion with decent squads That makes no sense. Which is he? A man that wins promotions or a man that improves bottom quarter of the league teams? If they are promotion teams surely they can’t be bottom quarter teams also? The excuses and free passes this manager gets from some fans are quite Bizzarre. At the moment the League table and results clearly display no improvement whatsoever. I'm on about MON there he's a bottom quarter champo manager, no more no less. Again for the umpteenth and one time haha, that blind spot you all seem to have about acclimatising and gelling a squad of new players. You all seem to think that just happens overnight, and the number of injuries don't count, now that's what I call bizarre
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Alex Neil
Oct 21, 2023 8:54:13 GMT
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 21, 2023 8:54:13 GMT
Because of MON's mythical ingenuity an OAP could have rolled a bowling ball through our midfield last season for a defence splitting pass. How are you supposed to throw men forward and attack when you're getting undone because your midfield is none existent? Not that we had any meaningful attack to use anyway. He left a pile of shit The fact you're having to edit your replies and then reply twice suggests you don't actually believe the shite you're coming out with. Chill out, put the cricket on. It'll soon be 5 o'clock and you'll be digging for a whole new load of excuses. That's rubbish, I edit almost all of my posts if I spot a spelling mistake or forgot to add something. I don't know how but I made one post once where I spoke to the phone and it wrote it for me. For the life of me I can't remember how I did it, it was by accident
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Alex Neil
Oct 21, 2023 9:02:14 GMT
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Post by matelot1996 on Oct 21, 2023 9:02:14 GMT
That makes no sense. Which is he? A man that wins promotions or a man that improves bottom quarter of the league teams? If they are promotion teams surely they can’t be bottom quarter teams also? The excuses and free passes this manager gets from some fans are quite Bizzarre. At the moment the League table and results clearly display no improvement whatsoever. I'm on about MON there he's a bottom quarter champo manager, no more no less. Again for the umpteenth and one time haha, that blind spot you all seem to have about acclimatising and gelling a squad of new players. You all seem to think that just happens overnight, and the number of injuries don't count, now that's what I call bizarre Still a bit if a strange summary though regardless of manager. Niel has been with us for a year or so and his record is woeful. Surely you realise though that this whole gelling thing and expectancy of massive improvement when players return from injury is pure optimism and speculation. And when our prodigal sons all return from injury, guess what. They will need time to “gell” again. We should be knee high in gell come 2024 😂
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Alex Neil
Oct 21, 2023 9:10:23 GMT
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 21, 2023 9:10:23 GMT
I'm on about MON there he's a bottom quarter champo manager, no more no less. Again for the umpteenth and one time haha, that blind spot you all seem to have about acclimatising and gelling a squad of new players. You all seem to think that just happens overnight, and the number of injuries don't count, now that's what I call bizarre Still a bit if a strange summary though regardless of manager. Niel has been with us for a year or so and his record is woeful. Surely you realise though that this whole gelling thing and expectancy of massive improvement when players return from injury is pure optimism and speculation. And when our prodigal sons all return from injury, guess what. They will need time to “gell” again. We should be knee high in gell come 2024 😂 Haha, Knee high in gel sounds like MONs midfield and defence he left for Neil to play with last season that you're all judging him on. Optimism is the only way to live, I do pity you all unable to enjoy the journey. One thing is for sure though, you all can't wait for today's game or any other game since these new players have arrived, that tells it's own storey. It's only a matter of time, 'click'
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Post by mongolikecandy on Oct 21, 2023 9:19:10 GMT
Lose today and he should be sacked, the excuses have worn out. First players weren't fit enough, then players were recruited to play 3-5-2, then problems under the bonnet, then no wide players, then players need to gel, players are injured, grass is too green... This season, he had a clean slate, he had money, he had no FFP issue, he has brought in all his own backroom people, he has got rid of all the 1st team playing staff he inherited bar Wilmot, Campbell, Laurent and Bonham. He chose to start the season with only 3 centre backs having sold/loaned any other options; he chose to have a 33-year-old with recent injury issues as his first choice and only left back; he chose to either bring in players he'd worked with before (Pearson, Johnson, Hoever, and would have brought back injury prone Sarkic) over any other options; he chose not to bring in a obvious striker to lead the line or to even replace Brown (probably because he still wants to bring back another of his former players in Stewart); he chose to bring in Wesley and Mmaee, and then chose to play Wesley ahead of Mmaee before his injury, and now has chosen to play a (promising but very raw) 18-year-old over Wesley; he chose not to bring in Ciaran Clark weeks ago; he has chosen to play 3-5-2 without the players to fit the system. He has made bad choices again and again and simply offered more excuses. Other than his 'golden' period last season (P9 W5 D2 L2) his league record is P41 W10 D9 L23 - and in total he has won just 7 home matches since his arrival.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 21, 2023 9:20:45 GMT
Still a bit if a strange summary though regardless of manager. Niel has been with us for a year or so and his record is woeful. Surely you realise though that this whole gelling thing and expectancy of massive improvement when players return from injury is pure optimism and speculation. And when our prodigal sons all return from injury, guess what. They will need time to “gell” again. We should be knee high in gell come 2024 😂 Haha, Knee high in gel sounds like MONs midfield and defence he left for Neil to play with last season that you're all judging him on. Optimism is the only way to live, I do pity you all unable to enjoy the journey. One thing is for sure though, you all can't wait for today's game or any other game since these new players have arrived, that tells it's own storey. It's only a matter of time, 'click' MON isn't here any more and his record was better than Neil. You can't keep blaming him
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Alex Neil
Oct 21, 2023 9:22:30 GMT
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 21, 2023 9:22:30 GMT
Haha, Knee high in gel sounds like MONs midfield and defence he left for Neil to play with last season that you're all judging him on. Optimism is the only way to live, I do pity you all unable to enjoy the journey. One thing is for sure though, you all can't wait for today's game or any other game since these new players have arrived, that tells it's own storey. It's only a matter of time, 'click' MON isn't here any more and his record was better than Neil. You can't keep blaming him Oh I can, he was sacked early in the season because his football and team was crap not because he was producing these minor miracles people speak of. The only minor miracle was he didn't get the boot at the end of the season before
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Alex Neil
Oct 21, 2023 9:24:30 GMT
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Oct 21, 2023 9:24:30 GMT
Because of MON's mythical ingenuity an OAP could have rolled a bowling ball through our midfield last season for a defence splitting pass. How are you supposed to throw men forward and attack when you're getting undone because your midfield is none existent? Not that we had any meaningful attack to use anyway. He left a pile of shit The fact you're having to edit your replies and then reply twice suggests you don't actually believe the shite you're coming out with. Chill out, put the cricket on. It'll soon be 5 o'clock and you'll be digging for a whole new load of excuses. So we've lost the game already have we?
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Post by thestatusquo on Oct 21, 2023 9:28:34 GMT
I'm not sure wether anybody would have got a tune out of our team last season, the squad really was not good for much at all, not to mention half knew their contracts were up. A clean slate is great but it's always nice to have a core group of players to build around, changing 17 brings its own problems, like who are the leaders, where is the I.d of the team. I mentioned this this morning and was wondering who our longest serving player was, I've come to the conclusion it's either Wilmott or Campbell which tells it's own story on a core group of players we don't have. I think all these things put together makes scfc a very difficult job, especially the one Neil has been brought into to do with the changes and the challenges bringing in a lot of overseas players brings, something we've had to try and do for value because we needed so many players. I believe the job is a lot more difficult than meets the eye, this notion that this group of players should be settled, acclimatised, gelled and winning games consistently as early as people were wanting on here is a bit daft all things considered Have you checked out MON’s Points Per Game record at Stoke whilst dealing with the shit left by Rowett/Jones, injuries and FFP Due you think that AN can match MON’s record after the same number of games, that’s of course if he reaches that milestone. You seem to completely ignore the fact that Neil bought a number of players in in January and other than a few games we actually got worse. You keep banging on and on about gelling. The season started in August and we’re now we are almost in November. How come Burnley bought in a considerable number of players and got promoted? Something you seem to believe isn’t possible here. You need to face facts. Neil’s managerial campaign has been little short of an unmitigated disaster, particularly at home. A record that at most other clubs would have seen him getting a P45. With a combination of being away and my work shifts I actually didn’t seem them win at home until February and I’m yet to see them win this time around. Despite all the players he’s bought in I’m seeing nothing different. Confused tactics, players played out of position. PLEASE don’t go on about injuries. Every team gets them. Not getting in adequate cover is yet another huge issue.
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Alex Neil
Oct 21, 2023 9:31:22 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2023 9:31:22 GMT
A manager in his situation usually needs a run as successful as the bad run of form was bad?
I'd say he needs to go on a 5-6 game unbeaten run. The turn we've shown under him has been so bad, he needs to show he's capable of a run of form
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Alex Neil
Oct 21, 2023 9:34:40 GMT
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Post by matelot1996 on Oct 21, 2023 9:34:40 GMT
Still a bit if a strange summary though regardless of manager. Niel has been with us for a year or so and his record is woeful. Surely you realise though that this whole gelling thing and expectancy of massive improvement when players return from injury is pure optimism and speculation. And when our prodigal sons all return from injury, guess what. They will need time to “gell” again. We should be knee high in gell come 2024 😂 Haha, Knee high in gel sounds like MONs midfield and defence he left for Neil to play with last season that you're all judging him on. Optimism is the only way to live, I do pity you all unable to enjoy the journey. One thing is for sure though, you all can't wait for today's game or any other game since these new players have arrived, that tells it's own storey. It's only a matter of time, 'click' On what do you base our predicted resurrection. Vidigals 4 goals at home. 2 of them against Rotherham? Is he going to be our saviour? I hope you’re right. But regardless of unfounded and blind optimism it probably won’t be the case. I like to deal in real evidence. The fact is we are in a relegation scrap at present. One win in 7.
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Alex Neil
Oct 21, 2023 9:48:16 GMT
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 21, 2023 9:48:16 GMT
Have you checked out MON’s Points Per Game record at Stoke whilst dealing with the shit left by Rowett/Jones, injuries and FFP Due you think that AN can match MON’s record after the same number of games, that’s of course if he reaches that milestone. You seem to completely ignore the fact that Neil bought a number of players in in January and other than a few games we actually got worse. You keep banging on and on about gelling. The season started in August and we’re now we are almost in November. How come Burnley bought in a considerable number of players and got promoted? Something you seem to believe isn’t possible here. You need to face facts. Neil’s managerial campaign has been little short of an unmitigated disaster, particularly at home. A record that at most other clubs would have seen him getting a P45. With a combination of being away and my work shifts I actually didn’t seem them win at home until February and I’m yet to see them win this time around. Despite all the players he’s bought in I’m seeing nothing different. Confused tactics, players played out of position. PLEASE don’t go on about injuries. Every team gets them. Not getting in adequate cover is yet another huge issue. Burnley were a newly relegated team, they had handy players to start with, look at our starting 11 today. We're a completely new team that has tried as an established Championship club to bring in competitive players. Any top end champo player Burnley wanted last season went to Burnley, they were champo favourites with low end Premiership players and a windfall to match. Rowett blew that chance for us, in style. I'm not having that Kompany would have taken over from MON last season and had us punching, that's just how bad our squad was. There wasn't one particular thing that group of players were any good at
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Post by Squeekster on Oct 21, 2023 9:50:49 GMT
MON has done a job for us that quite a few won't recognise, mainly Jim off P&G but in my opinion he got shafted in the end, we'll never know with his own players 100% just like AN has been afforded 18 players in if he'd of done any better,MON has worked a minor miracle to let the next manager (AN) to have a clean slate. I will say AN needs the season to see it through, he's had bad injuries but I think he's massively neglected the defence and it's shown massively! A minor miracle? How? We've had to.replace the whole squad Because he had to get big earners off the wage bill players who were bleeding the club dry on high wages and had his hands tied behind his back the whole time with FFP, the reason AN has had the chance to bring in these player is because of the job MON did and a bit of luck with a few sales.
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 21, 2023 9:51:09 GMT
Haha, Knee high in gel sounds like MONs midfield and defence he left for Neil to play with last season that you're all judging him on. Optimism is the only way to live, I do pity you all unable to enjoy the journey. One thing is for sure though, you all can't wait for today's game or any other game since these new players have arrived, that tells it's own storey. It's only a matter of time, 'click' On what do you base our predicted resurrection. Vidigals 4 goals at home. 2 of them against Rotherham? Is he going to be our saviour? I hope you’re right. But regardless of unfounded and blind optimism it probably won’t be the case. I like to deal in real evidence. The fact is we are in a relegation scrap at present. One win in 7. I base it on logic, I believe we've got good players and when they can play together and settle as a team we have a manager who will play attacking football and that has won promotion three times, injuries derailed the gelling process early season and so did the lack of a pre-season
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Post by mistergumby on Oct 21, 2023 11:59:51 GMT
"Spellcasting sorceress". Lol I like it Didn't Spellcasting sorceress support etc etc. Might be a coincidence but I'm sure I saw Spellcasting Sorceress supporting Uriah Heep in 1978 after Heep lost a couple of members and went a bit crap.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Oct 21, 2023 12:34:18 GMT
Didn't Spellcasting sorceress support etc etc. Might be a coincidence but I'm sure I saw Spellcasting Sorceress supporting Uriah Heep in 1978 after Heep lost a couple of members and went a bit crap. Return to Fantasy was the summit, down hill after that. The Spells blew them off the stage that year.
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Alex Neil
Oct 21, 2023 12:50:42 GMT
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Post by glpotter on Oct 21, 2023 12:50:42 GMT
Anything but an attacking formation and he’s toast
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Post by mistergumby on Oct 21, 2023 13:22:28 GMT
Might be a coincidence but I'm sure I saw Spellcasting Sorceress supporting Uriah Heep in 1978 after Heep lost a couple of members and went a bit crap. Return to Fantasy was the summit, down hill after that. The Spells blew them off the stage that year. Firefly, High and Mighty, Fallen Angel and Innocent Victim were crap. RTF was the last great Heep album IMHO. Not sure this has any relevance whatsoever to Alex Neil - maybe he's a closet fan? Anyway to get the thread back on track, I reckon 3 more games including Sunderland today is the limit. He might get away with 3 draws but 3 losses and it has to be curtains.
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Alex Neil
Oct 21, 2023 13:34:40 GMT
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Post by Clayton Wood on Oct 21, 2023 13:34:40 GMT
Return to Fantasy was the summit, down hill after that. The Spells blew them off the stage that year. Firefly, High and Mighty, Fallen Angel and Innocent Victim were crap. RTF was the last great Heep album IMHO. Not sure this has any relevance whatsoever to Alex Neil - maybe he's a closet fan? Anyway to get the thread back on track, I reckon 3 more games including Sunderland today is the limit. He might get away with 3 draws but 3 losses and it has to be curtains. I'd originally said give it until the end of the year and review it then. Now if things don't pick up big time the next international break could be it. Which ironically would make his last game away at Coventry.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Oct 21, 2023 16:04:12 GMT
Firefly, High and Mighty, Fallen Angel and Innocent Victim were crap. RTF was the last great Heep album IMHO. Not sure this has any relevance whatsoever to Alex Neil - maybe he's a closet fan? Anyway to get the thread back on track, I reckon 3 more games including Sunderland today is the limit. He might get away with 3 draws but 3 losses and it has to be curtains. I'd originally said give it until the end of the year and review it then. Now if things don't pick up big time the next international break could be it. Which ironically would make his last game away at Coventry. First step.
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Alex Neil
Oct 21, 2023 16:05:28 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 21, 2023 16:05:28 GMT
He must love Sunderland still
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Post by Gawa on Oct 21, 2023 16:08:25 GMT
Well done vidigal7 good 3 points for you and the rest of the management team today.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 21, 2023 16:09:56 GMT
Well done vidigal7 good 3 points for you and the rest of the management team today. Can you triple like a comment 😁
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Post by shakermaker on Oct 21, 2023 16:11:08 GMT
Get our fit players back and would you believe it, we bag a win against a Top 6 team. Fancy that! Something a lot from the Neil bloodlust gang couldn’t grasp.
Now can we please reset, get off his back, and judge him on results or performances between now and the next international break at least??!
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Alex Neil
Oct 21, 2023 16:14:28 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 21, 2023 16:14:28 GMT
Get our fit players back and would you believe it, we bag a win against a Top 6 team. Fancy that! Something a lot from the Neil bloodlust gang couldn’t grasp. Now can we please reset, get off his back, and judge him on results or performances between now and the next international break at least??! It doesn't hide the rest of the performances ..a massive needed win and fought hard
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Post by scfcno1fan on Oct 21, 2023 16:16:24 GMT
Whether you want AN to stay or not (I’m not convinced he’s the right man to utilise the squad we’ve got), that was a crucial win.
Very very tight at the bottom.
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Alex Neil
Oct 21, 2023 16:17:38 GMT
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Oct 21, 2023 16:17:38 GMT
Whether you want AN to stay or not (I’m not convinced he’s the right man to utilise the squad we’ve got), that was a crucial win. Very very tight at the bottom. I think the bottom 3 are already confirmed.
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Post by mattythestokie on Oct 21, 2023 16:19:28 GMT
Scrappy win and not easy on the eye at all but the state we are in I’ll take that all day every day.
We haven’t won often so sit back and enjoy that one tonight Stokies
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Alex Neil
Oct 21, 2023 16:19:38 GMT
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Post by scfcno1fan on Oct 21, 2023 16:19:38 GMT
Whether you want AN to stay or not (I’m not convinced he’s the right man to utilise the squad we’ve got), that was a crucial win. Very very tight at the bottom. I think the bottom 3 are already confirmed. If QPR get Eustace they could rally a bit. Rotherham and Sheff Wed look doomed, albeit it wouldn’t surprise me if Warnock is rocked up at Rotherham.
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Post by thepottypotter on Oct 21, 2023 16:40:35 GMT
Great result.
Nearly threw it away by bringing Laurent on. God knows what AN sees in him!
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