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Alex Neil
Oct 20, 2023 16:37:09 GMT
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Post by peterthornesboots on Oct 20, 2023 16:37:09 GMT
I am feel strangely optimistic going into the weekend.
The international break will have given us another couple of weeks on the training pitch and time for some of the lads to recover from injuries.
AN needs a big week.
Two (more) home defeats in five days might be enough to push him beyond the point of no return. Four points would help to steady the ship.
There are three really tough fixtures coming at us in quick succession though. It is not beyond the realms of possibility that we might be cemented in the bottom three in eight days time.
Hopefully we kick off with a good performance tomorrow!
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Post by peterthornesboots on Oct 20, 2023 16:49:08 GMT
As I said no one can name a manager that’s survived a run of either 50 plus games like this or indeed that last 12 and gone on to succeed I genuinely cwnt think of one anywhere it’s such a diabolical trajectory It's two different squads, last years was rubbish and not of Neil's making. Neil needs wingers and we didn't have any for a start. You can blame the owners for that and their thought process when selecting managers and the timing when they sack them, they've picked managers that the players don't suit. We've done it for ages picking managers that dont suit the players and it's why nobody succeeds here. Judge him on his own team The job of a manager is to get the best out of the players that he has available. Very few managers have the time to build their own team or walk into club's that are on an upward trajectory. AN failed miserably last season, regardless of whether it was his team or not and regardless of what he walked into. He had 42 games to get us into some kind of reasonable shape. However, you are right in terms of judging AN when he has his own team. He has brought in 17 players that he wanted over the summer and this is very much his team. I cannot think of many managers who have been given the freedom to effectively have a clean slate in the way that AN has. So far this season it has not been great. He needs to start getting some points on the board quickly. Hopefully the return of a few players from injury will kick-start our season this weekend. 👍 |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2023 16:49:37 GMT
I am feel strangely optimistic going into the weekend. The international break will have given us another couple of weeks on the training pitch and time for some of the lads to recover from injuries. AN needs a big week. Two (more) home defeats in five days might be enough to push him beyond the point of no return. Four points would help to steady the ship. There are three really tough fixtures coming at us in quick succession though. It is not beyond the realms of possibility that we might be cemented in the bottom three in eight days time. Hopefully we kick off with a good performance tomorrow! 9 points. |
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Alex Neil
Oct 20, 2023 20:53:15 GMT
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 20, 2023 20:53:15 GMT
It's two different squads, last years was rubbish and not of Neil's making. Neil needs wingers and we didn't have any for a start. You can blame the owners for that and their thought process when selecting managers and the timing when they sack them, they've picked managers that the players don't suit. We've done it for ages picking managers that dont suit the players and it's why nobody succeeds here. Judge him on his own team The job of a manager is to get the best out of the players that he has available. Very few managers have the time to build their own team or walk into club's that are on an upward trajectory. AN failed miserably last season, regardless of whether it was his team or not and regardless of what he walked into. He had 42 games to get us into some kind of reasonable shape. However, you are right in terms of judging AN when he has his own team. He has brought in 17 players that he wanted over the summer and this is very much his team. I cannot think of many managers who have been given the freedom to effectively have a clean slate in the way that AN has. So far this season it has not been great. He needs to start getting some points on the board quickly. Hopefully the return of a few players from injury will kick-start our season this weekend. 👍 I'm not sure wether anybody would have got a tune out of our team last season, the squad really was not good for much at all, not to mention half knew their contracts were up. A clean slate is great but it's always nice to have a core group of players to build around, changing 17 brings its own problems, like who are the leaders, where is the I.d of the team. I mentioned this this morning and was wondering who our longest serving player was, I've come to the conclusion it's either Wilmott or Campbell which tells it's own story on a core group of players we don't have. I think all these things put together makes scfc a very difficult job, especially the one Neil has been brought into to do with the changes and the challenges bringing in a lot of overseas players brings, something we've had to try and do for value because we needed so many players. I believe the job is a lot more difficult than meets the eye, this notion that this group of players should be settled, acclimatised, gelled and winning games consistently as early as people were wanting on here is a bit daft all things considered |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Oct 20, 2023 21:36:29 GMT
The job of a manager is to get the best out of the players that he has available. Very few managers have the time to build their own team or walk into club's that are on an upward trajectory. AN failed miserably last season, regardless of whether it was his team or not and regardless of what he walked into. He had 42 games to get us into some kind of reasonable shape. However, you are right in terms of judging AN when he has his own team. He has brought in 17 players that he wanted over the summer and this is very much his team. I cannot think of many managers who have been given the freedom to effectively have a clean slate in the way that AN has. So far this season it has not been great. He needs to start getting some points on the board quickly. Hopefully the return of a few players from injury will kick-start our season this weekend. 👍 I'm not sure wether anybody would have got a tune out of our team last season, the squad really was not good for much at all, not to mention half knew their contracts were up. A clean slate is great but it's always nice to have a core group of players to build around, changing 17 brings its own problems, like who are the leaders, where is the I.d of the team. I mentioned this this morning and was wondering who our longest serving player was, I've come to the conclusion it's either Wilmott or Campbell which tells it's own story on a core group of players we don't have. I think all these things put together makes scfc a very difficult job, especially the one Neil has been brought into to do with the changes and the challenges bringing in a lot of overseas players brings, something we've had to try and do for value because we needed so many players. I believe the job is a lot more difficult than meets the eye, this notion that this group of players should be settled, acclimatised, gelled and winning games consistently as early as people were wanting on here is a bit daft all things considered Have you checked out MON’s Points Per Game record at Stoke whilst dealing with the shit left by Rowett/Jones, injuries and FFP Due you think that AN can match MON’s record after the same number of games, that’s of course if he reaches that milestone. |
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Post by Squeekster on Oct 20, 2023 21:51:11 GMT
I'm not sure wether anybody would have got a tune out of our team last season, the squad really was not good for much at all, not to mention half knew their contracts were up. A clean slate is great but it's always nice to have a core group of players to build around, changing 17 brings its own problems, like who are the leaders, where is the I.d of the team. I mentioned this this morning and was wondering who our longest serving player was, I've come to the conclusion it's either Wilmott or Campbell which tells it's own story on a core group of players we don't have. I think all these things put together makes scfc a very difficult job, especially the one Neil has been brought into to do with the changes and the challenges bringing in a lot of overseas players brings, something we've had to try and do for value because we needed so many players. I believe the job is a lot more difficult than meets the eye, this notion that this group of players should be settled, acclimatised, gelled and winning games consistently as early as people were wanting on here is a bit daft all things considered Have you checked out MON’s Points Per Game record at Stoke whilst dealing with the shit left by Rowett/Jones, injuries and FFP Due you think that AN can match MON’s record after the same number of games, that’s of course if he reaches that milestone. MON has done a job for us that quite a few won't recognise, mainly Jim off P&G but in my opinion he got shafted in the end, we'll never know with his own players 100% just like AN has been afforded 18 players in if he'd of done any better,MON has worked a minor miracle to let the next manager (AN) to have a clean slate. I will say AN needs the season to see it through, he's had bad injuries but I think he's massively neglected the defence and it's shown massively! |
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Alex Neil
Oct 20, 2023 21:59:04 GMT
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 20, 2023 21:59:04 GMT
Have you checked out MON’s Points Per Game record at Stoke whilst dealing with the shit left by Rowett/Jones, injuries and FFP Due you think that AN can match MON’s record after the same number of games, that’s of course if he reaches that milestone. MON has done a job for us that quite a few won't recognise, mainly Jim off P&G but in my opinion he got shafted in the end, we'll never know with his own players 100% just like AN has been afforded 18 players in if he'd of done any better,MON has worked a minor miracle to let the next manager (AN) to have a clean slate. I will say AN needs the season to see it through, he's had bad injuries but I think he's massively neglected the defence and it's shown massively! A minor miracle? How? We've had to.replace the whole squad |
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Alex Neil
Oct 20, 2023 22:02:17 GMT
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 20, 2023 22:02:17 GMT
I'm not sure wether anybody would have got a tune out of our team last season, the squad really was not good for much at all, not to mention half knew their contracts were up. A clean slate is great but it's always nice to have a core group of players to build around, changing 17 brings its own problems, like who are the leaders, where is the I.d of the team. I mentioned this this morning and was wondering who our longest serving player was, I've come to the conclusion it's either Wilmott or Campbell which tells it's own story on a core group of players we don't have. I think all these things put together makes scfc a very difficult job, especially the one Neil has been brought into to do with the changes and the challenges bringing in a lot of overseas players brings, something we've had to try and do for value because we needed so many players. I believe the job is a lot more difficult than meets the eye, this notion that this group of players should be settled, acclimatised, gelled and winning games consistently as early as people were wanting on here is a bit daft all things considered Have you checked out MON’s Points Per Game record at Stoke whilst dealing with the shit left by Rowett/Jones, injuries and FFP Due you think that AN can match MON’s record after the same number of games, that’s of course if he reaches that milestone. Neil wants to play attacking football, last seasons personel couldn't attack for toffee. MON is the perfect man for that type of squad as his only managerial experience was with a crap northern Ireland squad, there is no way he's leading a team to a single promotion with his brand of football, that's why he's back home |
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Alex Neil
Oct 20, 2023 22:25:46 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 20, 2023 22:25:46 GMT
Have you checked out MON’s Points Per Game record at Stoke whilst dealing with the shit left by Rowett/Jones, injuries and FFP Due you think that AN can match MON’s record after the same number of games, that’s of course if he reaches that milestone. Neil wants to play attacking football, last seasons personel couldn't attack for toffee. MON is the perfect man for that type of squad as his only managerial experience was with a crap northern Ireland squad, there is no way he's leading a team to a single promotion with his brand of football, that's why he's back home He took that crap squad to a major tournament and won a game there |
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Alex Neil
Oct 20, 2023 22:26:33 GMT
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 20, 2023 22:26:33 GMT
Neil wants to play attacking football, last seasons personel couldn't attack for toffee. MON is the perfect man for that type of squad as his only managerial experience was with a crap northern Ireland squad, there is no way he's leading a team to a single promotion with his brand of football, that's why he's back home He took that crap squad to a major tournament and won a game there Wow, hardly worthy of the Stoke job is it |
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Alex Neil
Oct 20, 2023 22:31:54 GMT
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 20, 2023 22:31:54 GMT
Neil wants to play attacking football, last seasons personel couldn't attack for toffee. MON is the perfect man for that type of squad as his only managerial experience was with a crap northern Ireland squad, there is no way he's leading a team to a single promotion with his brand of football, that's why he's back home He took that crap squad to a major tournament and won a game there It just reiterates my point, he's not the man to get you a promotion, that's his forte, getting the best from poor standard teams which in this division means bottom quarter of the league. Alex Neil's forte is winning promotion with decent squads |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Oct 20, 2023 22:35:20 GMT
Have you checked out MON’s Points Per Game record at Stoke whilst dealing with the shit left by Rowett/Jones, injuries and FFP Due you think that AN can match MON’s record after the same number of games, that’s of course if he reaches that milestone. Neil wants to play attacking football, last seasons personel couldn't attack for toffee. MON is the perfect man for that type of squad as his only managerial experience was with a crap northern Ireland squad, there is no way he's leading a team to a single promotion with his brand of football, that's why he's back home If you can’t, or would prefer not to answer the legitimate questions asked then that’s OK. |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Oct 20, 2023 22:36:56 GMT
He took that crap squad to a major tournament and won a game there It just reiterates my point, he's not the man to get you a promotion, that's his forte, getting the best from poor standard teams which in this division means bottom quarter of the league. Alex Neil's forte is winning promotion with decent squads How long to develop a squad for mediocrity at Preston? |
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Alex Neil
Oct 20, 2023 22:38:13 GMT
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Post by Gods on Oct 20, 2023 22:38:13 GMT
Has any Stoke manager ever survived a 100 page enquiry on the Oatcake?
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Alex Neil
Oct 20, 2023 23:05:30 GMT
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Post by whatsashig on Oct 20, 2023 23:05:30 GMT
He’s tuned into marmite let’s revisit marmite🙄
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Post by Sfance on Oct 21, 2023 0:33:26 GMT
So what new excuse is Alex Vidigal7 going to come up with if we don’t win?
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Post by matelot1996 on Oct 21, 2023 0:36:04 GMT
I am feel strangely optimistic going into the weekend. The international break will have given us another couple of weeks on the training pitch and time for some of the lads to recover from injuries. AN needs a big week. Two (more) home defeats in five days might be enough to push him beyond the point of no return. Four points would help to steady the ship. There are three really tough fixtures coming at us in quick succession though. It is not beyond the realms of possibility that we might be cemented in the bottom three in eight days time. Hopefully we kick off with a good performance tomorrow! Don’t worry about the post International Break Optimism. It’s a disease that afflicts all football fans. All common sense is replaced by blind faith and emotion. |
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Post by independent on Oct 21, 2023 2:48:55 GMT
Neil wants to play attacking football, last seasons personel couldn't attack for toffee. MON is the perfect man for that type of squad as his only managerial experience was with a crap northern Ireland squad, there is no way he's leading a team to a single promotion with his brand of football, that's why he's back home If you can’t, or would prefer not to answer the legitimate questions asked then that’s OK. He doesn't answer questions because he doesn't like the answers which are obvious to everyone else. The same answers which show up his lies and inventions. i asked him why AN had a better PPG with the players he inherited last season than he managed after signing 6 of his own players. I didn't get a reply. He is still trotting out the same bullshit. There is no point in wasting your time with him. |
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Alex Neil
Oct 21, 2023 6:59:19 GMT
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Post by thornestein on Oct 21, 2023 6:59:19 GMT
Have you checked out MON’s Points Per Game record at Stoke whilst dealing with the shit left by Rowett/Jones, injuries and FFP Due you think that AN can match MON’s record after the same number of games, that’s of course if he reaches that milestone. Neil wants to play attacking football, last seasons personel couldn't attack for toffee. MON is the perfect man for that type of squad as his only managerial experience was with a crap northern Ireland squad, there is no way he's leading a team to a single promotion with his brand of football, that's why he's back home you’re going to run out of shit excuses soon |
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Post by bagnallboothen on Oct 21, 2023 7:08:50 GMT
Have you checked out MON’s Points Per Game record at Stoke whilst dealing with the shit left by Rowett/Jones, injuries and FFP Due you think that AN can match MON’s record after the same number of games, that’s of course if he reaches that milestone. Neil wants to play attacking football, last seasons personel couldn't attack for toffee. MON is the perfect man for that type of squad as his only managerial experience was with a crap northern Ireland squad, there is no way he's leading a team to a single promotion with his brand of football, that's why he's back home He does a very good impression of a manager that doesn't want to play attacking football. You might want to stop listening to the utter crap he comes out with week on week and open your eyes. |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Oct 21, 2023 7:15:39 GMT
Neil wants to play attacking football, last seasons personel couldn't attack for toffee. MON is the perfect man for that type of squad as his only managerial experience was with a crap northern Ireland squad, there is no way he's leading a team to a single promotion with his brand of football, that's why he's back home you’re going to run out of shit excuses soon And you could end up looking silly when he turns it around. |
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Alex Neil
Oct 21, 2023 7:33:36 GMT
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Post by thornestein on Oct 21, 2023 7:33:36 GMT
you’re going to run out of shit excuses soon And you could end up looking silly when he turns it around. he won’t , his record is utter shite here |
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Alex Neil
Oct 21, 2023 8:21:34 GMT
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 21, 2023 8:21:34 GMT
Neil wants to play attacking football, last seasons personel couldn't attack for toffee. MON is the perfect man for that type of squad as his only managerial experience was with a crap northern Ireland squad, there is no way he's leading a team to a single promotion with his brand of football, that's why he's back home He does a very good impression of a manager that doesn't want to play attacking football. You might want to stop listening to the utter crap he comes out with week on week and open your eyes. I don't agree with that, last years squad was so unbalanced it was incapable of attacking with any purpose. This season we do have the players but we've had to gel them and a lot have had to acclimatise to the English game. I think you'll find Neil plays attacking football, his Norwich & Sunderland time shows that, his idea of fullbacks show that and that's why he has 3 promotions. This summers signings also suggest that aswell. We really need Burger to get up to the pace & physicality of the English game quickly, he's a key player |
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Post by bagnallboothen on Oct 21, 2023 8:30:11 GMT
He does a very good impression of a manager that doesn't want to play attacking football. You might want to stop listening to the utter crap he comes out with week on week and open your eyes. I don't agree with that, last years squad was so unbalanced it was incapable of attacking with any purpose. This season we do have the players but we've had to gel them and a lot have had to acclimatise to the English game. I think you'll find Neil plays attacking football, his Norwich & Sunderland time shows that, his idea of fullbacks show that and that's why he has 3 promotions. This summers signings also suggest that aswell His idea of full backs and centre halves are the exact reason we'll be in the bottom 3 next weekend |
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Alex Neil
Oct 21, 2023 8:34:33 GMT
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 21, 2023 8:34:33 GMT
I don't agree with that, last years squad was so unbalanced it was incapable of attacking with any purpose. This season we do have the players but we've had to gel them and a lot have had to acclimatise to the English game. I think you'll find Neil plays attacking football, his Norwich & Sunderland time shows that, his idea of fullbacks show that and that's why he has 3 promotions. This summers signings also suggest that aswell His idea of full backs and centre halves are the exact reason we'll be in the bottom 3 next weekend Again I don't agree, we perhaps need a good solid CB, Neil has said as much in recent interviews, he's also said we did try to get a couple of this type but they didn't go through, shit happens, it's one summer window at the end of the day you're not going to get everything you need when you need so much. Attacking football requires attacking fullbacks. As I've just edited above, we also really need Burger to quickly get up to the pace & physicality of the English game aswell, he's a key player |
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Post by bagnallboothen on Oct 21, 2023 8:38:41 GMT
His idea of full backs and centre halves are the exact reason we'll be in the bottom 3 next weekend Again I don't agree, we perhaps need a good solid CB, Neil has said as much in recent interviews, he's also said we did try to get a couple of this type but they didn't go through, shit happens, it's one summer window at the end of the day you're not going to get everything you need when you need so much. Attacking football requires attacking fullbacks. As I've just edited above, we also really need Burger to quickly get up to the pace & physicality of the English game aswell, he's a key player You don't agree with anything, including the league table and a managers record over more than 50 league games. |
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Alex Neil
Oct 21, 2023 8:40:53 GMT
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 21, 2023 8:40:53 GMT
Again I don't agree, we perhaps need a good solid CB, Neil has said as much in recent interviews, he's also said we did try to get a couple of this type but they didn't go through, shit happens, it's one summer window at the end of the day you're not going to get everything you need when you need so much. Attacking football requires attacking fullbacks. As I've just edited above, we also really need Burger to quickly get up to the pace & physicality of the English game aswell, he's a key player You don't agree with anything, including the league table and a managers record over more than 50 league games. That's because I'm judging him on this seasons squad 'after' his signings have acclimatised and gelled, as I've said umpteenth times. You're right I don't agree with you |
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Alex Neil
Oct 21, 2023 8:48:00 GMT
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 21, 2023 8:48:00 GMT
Again I don't agree, we perhaps need a good solid CB, Neil has said as much in recent interviews, he's also said we did try to get a couple of this type but they didn't go through, shit happens, it's one summer window at the end of the day you're not going to get everything you need when you need so much. Attacking football requires attacking fullbacks. As I've just edited above, we also really need Burger to quickly get up to the pace & physicality of the English game aswell, he's a key player You don't agree with anything, including the league table and a managers record over more than 50 league games. Because of MON's mythical ingenuity an OAP could have rolled a bowling ball through our midfield last season for a defence splitting pass and have a 40 year old CB that can't catch the bowling ball up. How are you supposed to throw men forward and attack when you're getting undone because your midfield is none existent? Not that we had any meaningful attack to use anyway. He left a pile of shit |
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Post by matelot1996 on Oct 21, 2023 8:48:09 GMT
He took that crap squad to a major tournament and won a game there It just reiterates my point, he's not the man to get you a promotion, that's his forte, getting the best from poor standard teams which in this division means bottom quarter of the league. Alex Neil's forte is winning promotion with decent squads That makes no sense. Which is he? A man that wins promotions or a man that improves bottom quarter of the league teams? If they are promotion teams surely they can’t be bottom quarter teams also? The excuses and free passes this manager gets from some fans are quite Bizzarre. At the moment the League table and results clearly display no improvement whatsoever. |
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Post by bagnallboothen on Oct 21, 2023 8:50:24 GMT
You don't agree with anything, including the league table and a managers record over more than 50 league games. Because of MON's mythical ingenuity an OAP could have rolled a bowling ball through our midfield last season for a defence splitting pass. How are you supposed to throw men forward and attack when you're getting undone because your midfield is none existent? Not that we had any meaningful attack to use anyway. He left a pile of shit The fact you're having to edit your replies and then reply twice suggests you don't actually believe the shite you're coming out with. Chill out, put the cricket on. It'll soon be 5 o'clock and you'll be digging for a whole new load of excuses. |
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