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Post by Rick Grimes on Feb 18, 2024 10:35:45 GMT
Looks like he's going to play Ennis whenever he can - but a 3- game week is a stretch too far with his injury record. As to who should be next in line, all the options are unpalatable for different reasons. But Mmaee would be rock bottom on my list. Management can't just be about pampering troublemakers, especially ones who aren't particularly good and have never looked arsed, after giving them a cursory fortnight on the naughty step. I'm not sure how on earth you choose between Wesley, Campbell and Lowe. But you're cursing your luck (and your bumbling recruitment team) whatever you come up with. Ennis had to start yesterday if he’s going to die on this hill though. I mean we even sent the wrong fucking young player out on loan 🤣🤦♂️ Can’t agree that Mmaee hasn’t looked arsed either. He tried and he’s held the ball up better than anyone this season for us. But we just didn’t support him. He’s been handled terribly from the get go. Starting a player who has barely played all season in all of the games in a 3 game week, especially someone who works as hard as Ennis does, would be terrible management. We’ve got a far more winnable game against Cardiff coming up and I’d much rather that Ennis was as close to full tilt as possible for that game.
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Post by shakermaker on Feb 18, 2024 11:54:48 GMT
Yes, we're talking about the one that exists only in bayern's head. So you’d prefer Lowe wallowing around or Wes haplessly doing nothing? Mmaee is streets ahead of the pair of them. It’s pathetic from another coward manager. No, he is not "streets ahead" of them. This isn't a cocky, ego-driven Galactico we're talking about. Mmaee is the same as Lowe and Wesley in that he couldn't score in a blue movie. 3 goals in the equivalent of 14 full games or so is not worth throwing squad discipline out of the window for. I don't like the alternatives any more than you do, but I am certain that based on his woeful performances for us that had Mmaee played these past four games, it wouldn't have made a blind bit of difference. If Mmaee apologises to the manager and convinces Schuey he will roll his socks up and at least apply himself in training, then by all means let's welcome him back into the fold. Talk of brawls at Clayton Wood though suggest Mmaee still hasn't removed the chip from his shoulder.
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Post by gingerninja on Feb 18, 2024 15:10:47 GMT
I am not sure where we go with this. All windows elsewhere are closed now, no mention of where we stand at present. Do we assume he is still training with the under 21's?. If so is he a good example to set the younger players?.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 18, 2024 15:15:01 GMT
So you’d prefer Lowe wallowing around or Wes haplessly doing nothing? Mmaee is streets ahead of the pair of them. It’s pathetic from another coward manager. No, he is not "streets ahead" of them. This isn't a cocky, ego-driven Galactico we're talking about. Mmaee is the same as Lowe and Wesley in that he couldn't score in a blue movie. 3 goals in the equivalent of 14 full games or so is not worth throwing squad discipline out of the window for. I don't like the alternatives any more than you do, but I am certain that based on his woeful performances for us that had Mmaee played these past four games, it wouldn't have made a blind bit of difference. If Mmaee apologises to the manager and convinces Schuey he will roll his socks up and at least apply himself in training, then by all means let's welcome him back into the fold. Talk of brawls at Clayton Wood though suggest Mmaee still hasn't removed the chip from his shoulder. Surely this is where being a good manager and communicator is key. Players should be punished but leaving them out in the cold isn’t the answer it’s about keeping conversations up. Of course I don’t know what’s been done but the way I see it is we need everyone in the building that’s fit. Maybe it’s about having some good mediation.
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Post by biddulphchav on Feb 18, 2024 15:23:39 GMT
Until it was the right time to get rid. Leaving yourself with the options we have clearly show it’s not the right time. He’s gone full Nathan Jones so early. In the real world, if you don't deal with a pisstaker then you give yourself bigger problems as more and more pisstakers start to appear because they know you're weak and won't deal with poor behaviour. The only way you can justify not dealing with it is if the pisstaker is so good that even the rest of the team wouldn't want you to bin them off: see TP's tolerance of Fuller. Mmaee has had two or three good games this season and has been absolutely wank for the remainder. That’s a very very simplistic view of how to manage a situation involving people. It’s assumes that everyone is looking for an opportunity to take the piss - which clearly isn’t the case. Good managers are able to get the best out of everyone - that’s the art of management. Not everyone responds well to ‘non-negotiables’ when it is framed that way, especially from a young inexperienced manager who has no real achievements in the game as a manager or a player. I don’t know the specifics here but to suggest you either bomb squad players or keep them involved and let the disease spread as the only two ways to handle this is a little bit stupid in my view.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Feb 18, 2024 15:46:15 GMT
No, he is not "streets ahead" of them. This isn't a cocky, ego-driven Galactico we're talking about. Mmaee is the same as Lowe and Wesley in that he couldn't score in a blue movie. 3 goals in the equivalent of 14 full games or so is not worth throwing squad discipline out of the window for. I don't like the alternatives any more than you do, but I am certain that based on his woeful performances for us that had Mmaee played these past four games, it wouldn't have made a blind bit of difference. If Mmaee apologises to the manager and convinces Schuey he will roll his socks up and at least apply himself in training, then by all means let's welcome him back into the fold. Talk of brawls at Clayton Wood though suggest Mmaee still hasn't removed the chip from his shoulder. Surely this is where being a good manager and communicator is key. Players should be punished but leaving them out in the cold isn’t the answer it’s about keeping conversations up. Of course I don’t know what’s been done but the way I see it is we need everyone in the building that’s fit. Maybe it’s about having some good mediation. Yep In our position can we afford to be freezing players out? Like you said, we don't know what happened but hopefully something we can sort, sooner rather than later. Yesterday's shambles points to that even more
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Post by stokest5 on Feb 18, 2024 15:47:37 GMT
No, he is not "streets ahead" of them. This isn't a cocky, ego-driven Galactico we're talking about. Mmaee is the same as Lowe and Wesley in that he couldn't score in a blue movie. 3 goals in the equivalent of 14 full games or so is not worth throwing squad discipline out of the window for. I don't like the alternatives any more than you do, but I am certain that based on his woeful performances for us that had Mmaee played these past four games, it wouldn't have made a blind bit of difference. If Mmaee apologises to the manager and convinces Schuey he will roll his socks up and at least apply himself in training, then by all means let's welcome him back into the fold. Talk of brawls at Clayton Wood though suggest Mmaee still hasn't removed the chip from his shoulder. Surely this is where being a good manager and communicator is key. Players should be punished but leaving them out in the cold isn’t the answer it’s about keeping conversations up. Of course I don’t know what’s been done but the way I see it is we need everyone in the building that’s fit. Maybe it’s about having some good mediation. Mmaee might not have shown enough to warrant himself back into the fold alls we’ve seen is a basic responce from his agent. Putting up with players bad attitudes is why we are where we are at the minute. This stems all the way back to when Hughes was manager and hasn’t been rectified since.
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Post by jokker on Feb 18, 2024 15:52:19 GMT
Do we assume he is still training with the under 21's?. If so is he a good example to set the younger players?. I don't know about it, but I would imagine that while he is in the same dressing room as the academy boys, the actual training is done on his own with the physical trainer with no ball involved. There would be no or very limited interaction with the academy players. He might be asked to make up numbers if there's a game in training, but that's about it. So no worries on that account.
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Post by Trouserdog on Feb 18, 2024 15:56:38 GMT
In the real world, if you don't deal with a pisstaker then you give yourself bigger problems as more and more pisstakers start to appear because they know you're weak and won't deal with poor behaviour. The only way you can justify not dealing with it is if the pisstaker is so good that even the rest of the team wouldn't want you to bin them off: see TP's tolerance of Fuller. Mmaee has had two or three good games this season and has been absolutely wank for the remainder. That’s a very very simplistic view of how to manage a situation involving people. It’s assumes that everyone is looking for an opportunity to take the piss - which clearly isn’t the case. Good managers are able to get the best out of everyone - that’s the art of management. Not everyone responds well to ‘non-negotiables’ when it is framed that way, especially from a young inexperienced manager who has no real achievements in the game as a manager or a player. I don’t know the specifics here but to suggest you either bomb squad players or keep them involved and let the disease spread as the only two ways to handle this is a little bit stupid in my view. First of all, you're the one assuming that I mean everyone is constantly looking for an opportunity to take the piss. That, if you don't mind me saying, is rather stupid in itself and at no point have I said that. Obviously there is a mix of people in any organisation...some will require little external motivation and effectively manage themselves. Others will be influenced by the culture around them. It depends on the characters you have around. However, in any large group of people there will usually be some who will bend the rules themselves if they see others doing it. it's extremely naive to think otherwise. None of us know what the manager has already done prior to putting Mmaee in the u21s, but I doubt he's gone straight for that option.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Feb 18, 2024 16:09:05 GMT
That’s a very very simplistic view of how to manage a situation involving people. It’s assumes that everyone is looking for an opportunity to take the piss - which clearly isn’t the case. Good managers are able to get the best out of everyone - that’s the art of management. Not everyone responds well to ‘non-negotiables’ when it is framed that way, especially from a young inexperienced manager who has no real achievements in the game as a manager or a player. I don’t know the specifics here but to suggest you either bomb squad players or keep them involved and let the disease spread as the only two ways to handle this is a little bit stupid in my view. First of all, you're the one assuming that I mean everyone is constantly looking for an opportunity to take the piss. That, if you don't mind me saying, is rather stupid in itself and at no point have I said that. Obviously there is a mix of people in any organisation...some will require little external motivation and effectively manage themselves. Others will be influenced by the culture around them. It depends on the characters you have around. However, in any large group of people there will usually be some who will bend the rules themselves if they see others doing it. it's extremely naive to think otherwise. None of us know what the manager has already done prior to putting Mmaee in the u21s, but I doubt he's gone straight for that option. Just regarding that last bit as well Gallagher has been part of the coaching staff all season. I’d imagine Schumacher has at least held a conversation with Gallagher about what Mmaee was like before he joined before deciding to take the measures that he has. Maybe Neil tried something before and it didn’t result in the desired outcome?
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Post by Trouserdog on Feb 18, 2024 16:24:33 GMT
First of all, you're the one assuming that I mean everyone is constantly looking for an opportunity to take the piss. That, if you don't mind me saying, is rather stupid in itself and at no point have I said that. Obviously there is a mix of people in any organisation...some will require little external motivation and effectively manage themselves. Others will be influenced by the culture around them. It depends on the characters you have around. However, in any large group of people there will usually be some who will bend the rules themselves if they see others doing it. it's extremely naive to think otherwise. None of us know what the manager has already done prior to putting Mmaee in the u21s, but I doubt he's gone straight for that option. Just regarding that last bit as well Gallagher has been part of the coaching staff all season. I’d imagine Schumacher has at least held a conversation with Gallagher about what Mmaee was like before he joined before deciding to take the measures that he has. Maybe Neil tried something before and it didn’t result in the desired outcome? All the slightly OTT praise he gave Mmaee when he first arrived suggests strongly that he's tried the carrot before wielding the stick. Unfortunately, some people are just cunts and only respond to consequences for their behaviour. I honestly can't believe some of the stuff I'm reading on this thread. It was literally only a few years ago when we had a dressing room where pisstakers were allowed to take the piss and everyone was up in arms about why the manager hadn't stamped it out and dealt with it. Now we've got a player (and a rubbish one at that) trying to do the same thing and people are queuing up to make excuses for him and instead blame the manager for doing exactly what Mark Hughes should have done back in the relegation season.
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Feb 18, 2024 16:26:01 GMT
I find it incredible of anyone who remembers the attitude of Jese, Berahino and how that affected not only the teams season, dressing room but other players as well such as choupo,
And yet they think bringing mmae back into the group is the best thing for our team and season. There's quite likely a large part of the squad are glad to see the back of a player who has no respect for them, training. The club, fans or manager. Bringing him back could well just about destroy the unity which is needed in a relegation battle..
If mmae, vidigal, haks and Campbell are in the bomb squad - leave them there. SCFC does not need mercenaries and their inflated egos.
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Post by ceejays on Feb 18, 2024 17:04:13 GMT
I echo these sentiments. The problem is the culture is created at the top as is evidenced by giving the players a week off during international break while the manager (AN) went on holiday to Dubai . That filters down to the troops and they take the piss . It’s been a holiday camp for years . And truth is it will always be so while John Coates lets them . I feel sorry for the guy . It’s clearly starting to affect him and regardless of his hands off approach his health is far more important than a football match . He deserves some luck . We all deserve some luck but we won’t get it if we let mmaee and co return. SS is doing exactly the right thing
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Post by Fred Merger on Feb 18, 2024 17:08:47 GMT
It certainly seems like one of those situations where things have to get worse before they get better.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 18, 2024 17:16:37 GMT
Surely this is where being a good manager and communicator is key. Players should be punished but leaving them out in the cold isn’t the answer it’s about keeping conversations up. Of course I don’t know what’s been done but the way I see it is we need everyone in the building that’s fit. Maybe it’s about having some good mediation. Mmaee might not have shown enough to warrant himself back into the fold alls we’ve seen is a basic responce from his agent. Putting up with players white attitudes is why we are where we are at the minute. This stems all true way back to when Hughes was manager and hasn’t been rectified since. The only thing I’d say is that Mmaee isn’t the first difficult player. Arni had a reputation before he joined us and I’m sure there’s others that have been difficult. We’re not in a situation where we can freeze players out when the alternatives are so poor. It’s all good having morals but not if we’re a weaker unit for it.
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Post by werrington on Feb 18, 2024 17:21:46 GMT
Mmaee might not have shown enough to warrant himself back into the fold alls we’ve seen is a basic responce from his agent. Putting up with players white attitudes is why we are where we are at the minute. This stems all true way back to when Hughes was manager and hasn’t been rectified since. The only thing I’d say is that Mmaee isn’t the first difficult player. Arni had a reputation before he joined us and I’m sure there’s others that have been difficult. We’re not in a situation where we can freeze players out when the alternatives are so poor. It’s all good having morals but not if we’re a weaker unit for it. Ennis is a vast improvement on Mmaee I’d argue we are stronger without him
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Feb 18, 2024 17:24:52 GMT
Mmaee might not have shown enough to warrant himself back into the fold alls we’ve seen is a basic responce from his agent. Putting up with players white attitudes is why we are where we are at the minute. This stems all true way back to when Hughes was manager and hasn’t been rectified since. The only thing I’d say is that Mmaee isn’t the first difficult player. Arni had a reputation before he joined us and I’m sure there’s others that have been difficult. We’re not in a situation where we can freeze players out when the alternatives are so poor. It’s all good having morals but not if we’re a weaker unit for it. Arnie didn't disrespect his teammates. His manager, his club, his fans, Having standards and morals is the right thing to hold onto. Bringing mmae back would make our dressing room morale weaker. SCFC do not pander to time wasters.
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Post by numpty40 on Feb 18, 2024 17:46:26 GMT
The only thing I’d say is that Mmaee isn’t the first difficult player. Arni had a reputation before he joined us and I’m sure there’s others that have been difficult. We’re not in a situation where we can freeze players out when the alternatives are so poor. It’s all good having morals but not if we’re a weaker unit for it. Ennis is a vast improvement on Mmaee I’d argue we are stronger without him I think the two could complement each other, Mmaee just behind and close to Ennis could produce something more threatening than the dirge we've seen all season. I think a compromise has to be reached between Mmaee and the manager where no-one loses face because as it stands we are going down.
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Post by Davef on Feb 18, 2024 17:58:48 GMT
Are we talking about Ryan Mmaee here or Thierry Henry?
He's scored one more league goal than Jordan Thompson, Medhi Leris and Lynden Gooch, has arguably cost us three points with his pathetic penalty against Sheffield Wednesday, can't be arsed to turn in for training and he's somehow supposed to be our saviour?
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Post by peterthornesboots on Feb 18, 2024 18:02:22 GMT
Mmaee might not have shown enough to warrant himself back into the fold alls we’ve seen is a basic responce from his agent. Putting up with players white attitudes is why we are where we are at the minute. This stems all true way back to when Hughes was manager and hasn’t been rectified since. The only thing I’d say is that Mmaee isn’t the first difficult player. Arni had a reputation before he joined us and I’m sure there’s others that have been difficult. We’re not in a situation where we can freeze players out when the alternatives are so poor. It’s all good having morals but not if we’re a weaker unit for it. Are we any weaker without Mmaee though? He has been extremely underwhelming - and that is being polite. Barring the Birmingham away game (where I thought that he played really well) he has barely contributed. For context, Jordan Thompson has scored one less goal in the league than Mmaee despite being primarily a substitute before being shunted into a makeshift left back.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Feb 18, 2024 18:03:19 GMT
Are we taking about Ryan Mmaee here or Thierry Henry? He's scored one more league goal than Jordan Thompson, Medhi Leris and Lynden Gooch, has arguably cost us three points with his pathetic penalty against Sheffield Wednesday, can't be arsed to turn in for training and he's somehow supposed to be our saviour? I have literally just posted the same thing. You have stolen my thunder there! 😂
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 18, 2024 18:07:53 GMT
Are we taking about Ryan Mmaee here or Thierry Henry? He's scored one more league goal than Jordan Thompson, Medhi Leris and Lynden Gooch, has arguably cost us three points with his pathetic penalty against Sheffield Wednesday, can't be arsed to turn in for training and he's somehow supposed to be our saviour? I have literally just posted the same thing. You have stolen my thunder there! 😂 It’s all relative though same with Campbell but either or both v Lowe yesterday is a no brainer
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 18, 2024 18:12:31 GMT
The only thing I’d say is that Mmaee isn’t the first difficult player. Arni had a reputation before he joined us and I’m sure there’s others that have been difficult. We’re not in a situation where we can freeze players out when the alternatives are so poor. It’s all good having morals but not if we’re a weaker unit for it. Ennis is a vast improvement on Mmaee I’d argue we are stronger without him I like Ennis and love his attitude and you could well be right but if you’re looking at other options like 2 up front then Mmaee is a far better option than Lowe who appears to be next in line. He just doesn’t look ready for championship football.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 18, 2024 18:14:18 GMT
I have literally just posted the same thing. You have stolen my thunder there! 😂 It’s all relative though same with Campbell but either or both v Lowe yesterday is a no brainer Let's not forget the cheer that accompanied Campbell's withdrawal before the hour mark against Leicester was probably the loudest roar of the afternoon from the home stands. Funny how you magically get better when you don't play! There is no good option from Campbell, Wesley and Lowe
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 18, 2024 18:15:25 GMT
The only thing I’d say is that Mmaee isn’t the first difficult player. Arni had a reputation before he joined us and I’m sure there’s others that have been difficult. We’re not in a situation where we can freeze players out when the alternatives are so poor. It’s all good having morals but not if we’re a weaker unit for it. Are we any weaker without Mmaee though? He has been extremely underwhelming - and that is being polite. Barring the Birmingham away game (where I thought that he played really well) he has barely contributed. For context, Jordan Thompson has scored one less goal in the league than Mmaee despite being primarily a substitute before being shunted into a makeshift left back. I can’t disagree re his goals but as an all round player he’s decent and hasn’t he got a fair few assists. I guess it’s a game of opinions and for me other than Ennis he’s our next best option.
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Post by werrington on Feb 18, 2024 18:17:06 GMT
Ennis is a vast improvement on Mmaee I’d argue we are stronger without him I like Ennis and love his attitude and you could well be right but if you’re looking at other options like 2 up front then Mmaee is a far better option than Lowe who appears to be next in line. He just doesn’t look ready for championship football. I’d strongly argue neither does Mmaee or Vidigal
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Post by dirtygary69 on Feb 18, 2024 18:23:11 GMT
It’s all relative though same with Campbell but either or both v Lowe yesterday is a no brainer Let's not forget the cheer that accompanied Campbell's withdrawal before the hour mark against Leicester was probably the loudest roar of the afternoon from the home stands. Funny how you magically get better when you don't play! There is no good option from Campbell, Wesley and Lowe Vidigal and Haksabanovic on top of that as well?And Leris has got 2 minutes in the last 270 too, although not sure how attacking he really is. The fallouts could have done with being with players other than those in attacking areas as we are going to be incredibly short until the end of the season. We don’t score and have banished four attacking players. We must really have some pricks on our books if they’ve all managed to get completely excluded. I don’t even think he particularly wants Wesley around - not that many of us do. It’s a mess which seems to keep getting messier.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 18, 2024 18:23:56 GMT
The only thing I’d say is that Mmaee isn’t the first difficult player. Arni had a reputation before he joined us and I’m sure there’s others that have been difficult. We’re not in a situation where we can freeze players out when the alternatives are so poor. It’s all good having morals but not if we’re a weaker unit for it. Are we any weaker without Mmaee though? He has been extremely underwhelming - and that is being polite. Barring the Birmingham away game (where I thought that he played really well) he has barely contributed. For context, Jordan Thompson has scored one less goal in the league than Mmaee despite being primarily a substitute before being shunted into a makeshift left back. When we're having to use Wesley and start Lowe I'd say we definitely are weaker, Mmaee offers more than both of them as things stand.
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Post by ian57 on Feb 18, 2024 18:28:21 GMT
Just regarding that last bit as well Gallagher has been part of the coaching staff all season. I’d imagine Schumacher has at least held a conversation with Gallagher about what Mmaee was like before he joined before deciding to take the measures that he has. Maybe Neil tried something before and it didn’t result in the desired outcome? All the slightly OTT praise he gave Mmaee when he first arrived suggests strongly that he's tried the carrot before wielding the stick. Unfortunately, some people are just cunts and only respond to consequences for their behaviour. I honestly can't believe some of the stuff I'm reading on this thread. It was literally only a few years ago when we had a dressing room where pisstakers were allowed to take the piss and everyone was up in arms about why the manager hadn't stamped it out and dealt with it. Now we've got a player (and a rubbish one at that) trying to do the same thing and people are queuing up to make excuses for him and instead blame the manager for doing exactly what Mark Hughes should have done back in the relegation season. game set and match and what an eloquent way to put this thread to bed.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 18, 2024 18:29:02 GMT
It’s all relative though same with Campbell but either or both v Lowe yesterday is a no brainer Let's not forget the cheer that accompanied Campbell's withdrawal before the hour mark against Leicester was probably the loudest roar of the afternoon from the home stands. Funny how you magically get better when you don't play! There is no good option from Campbell, Wesley and Lowe Campbell has scored st thus level the other two haven’t it’s a no brainer he needs to play and not as as a loan striker , rhe gibberidh around he’s going to play centrally and then leave him out of the squad is more totally muddled. thinking . For the next 13cgames he needs as many proven Championship players as he at his disposal starting
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