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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 18, 2024 8:14:06 GMT
So you’d prefer Lowe wallowing around or Wes haplessly doing nothing? Mmaee is streets ahead of the pair of them. It’s pathetic from another coward manager. As a manager, the cowardly thing to do would be to allow a pisstaking lazy employee to carry on taking the piss out of you. Clearly that'd be your approach, but thankfully Schumacher's got the balls to deal with it. Until it was the right time to get rid. Leaving yourself with the options we have clearly show it’s not the right time. He’s gone full Nathan Jones so early.
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Post by Trouserdog on Feb 18, 2024 8:20:00 GMT
As a manager, the cowardly thing to do would be to allow a pisstaking lazy employee to carry on taking the piss out of you. Clearly that'd be your approach, but thankfully Schumacher's got the balls to deal with it. Until it was the right time to get rid. Leaving yourself with the options we have clearly show it’s not the right time. He’s gone full Nathan Jones so early. In the real world, if you don't deal with a pisstaker then you give yourself bigger problems as more and more pisstakers start to appear because they know you're weak and won't deal with poor behaviour. The only way you can justify not dealing with it is if the pisstaker is so good that even the rest of the team wouldn't want you to bin them off: see TP's tolerance of Fuller. Mmaee has had two or three good games this season and has been absolutely wank for the remainder.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 18, 2024 8:21:48 GMT
Until it was the right time to get rid. Leaving yourself with the options we have clearly show it’s not the right time. He’s gone full Nathan Jones so early. In the real world, if you don't deal with a pisstaker then you give yourself bigger problems as more and more pisstakers start to appear because they know you're weak and won't deal with poor behaviour. The only way you can justify not dealing with it is if the pisstaker is so good that even the rest of the team wouldn't want you to bin them off: see TP's tolerance of Fuller. Mmaee has had two or three good games this season and has been absolutely wank for the remainder. It’s not the real world though. It’s football world, so far from the fucking real world. Which is 2/3 more than the attackers that started yesterday. Cundle ffs. He’s really going to die on that shitty little hill isn’t he?
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Post by Trouserdog on Feb 18, 2024 8:25:33 GMT
In the real world, if you don't deal with a pisstaker then you give yourself bigger problems as more and more pisstakers start to appear because they know you're weak and won't deal with poor behaviour. The only way you can justify not dealing with it is if the pisstaker is so good that even the rest of the team wouldn't want you to bin them off: see TP's tolerance of Fuller. Mmaee has had two or three good games this season and has been absolutely wank for the remainder. It’s not the real world though. It’s football world, so far from the fucking real world. Which is 2/3 more than the attackers that started yesterday. Cundle ffs. He’s really going to die on that shitty little hill isn’t he? So you were obviously in support of Mark Hughes's tolerance of players like Berahino and Jese then? Because that worked really well.
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Post by chumley on Feb 18, 2024 8:31:52 GMT
Strikes me a as a player that is probably mint in training with the ball (clearly not his attitude!) when under no real pressure, but put him in a match up against hungrier hairy arsed Champ defenders and he comes up lacking. Not seen anything so far to suggest he's the answer to all our striker problems. So he's a Berahino then, best striker at club in training but in a match he's dog poop.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 18, 2024 8:34:38 GMT
It’s not the real world though. It’s football world, so far from the fucking real world. Which is 2/3 more than the attackers that started yesterday. Cundle ffs. He’s really going to die on that shitty little hill isn’t he? So you were obviously in support of Mark Hughes's tolerance of players like Berahino and Jese then? Because that worked really well. Hughes should have been sacked before Jese even got here. Again it stems back to the feckless incompetent owners.
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Post by mattythestokie on Feb 18, 2024 8:38:13 GMT
Are we talking about a different Ryan Mmaee? This one isn't anywhere near the level of ability to start tolerating outrageous behaviour. He’s much better than what was on show yesterday. And that’s all that matters. The club has made a right pigs ear of this. It all depends on what actions Mmaee did doesn’t it? Which we don’t know at all what happened behind closed doors. The days of players not suffering any consequences for bad behaviour is what started the rot under Hughes. You have no idea what he did to suggest he should be allowed to walk back into the team.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 18, 2024 8:39:15 GMT
He’s much better than what was on show yesterday. And that’s all that matters. The club has made a right pigs ear of this. It all depends on what actions Mmaee did doesn’t it? Which we don’t know at all what happened behind closed doors. The days of players not suffering any consequences for bad behaviour is what started the rot under Hughes. You have no idea what he did to suggest he should be allowed to walk back into the team. I couldn’t give a shit if it means I’m watching the shit I did yesterday. Nothing justifies having to watch that wank.
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Post by mattythestokie on Feb 18, 2024 8:42:39 GMT
It all depends on what actions Mmaee did doesn’t it? Which we don’t know at all what happened behind closed doors. The days of players not suffering any consequences for bad behaviour is what started the rot under Hughes. You have no idea what he did to suggest he should be allowed to walk back into the team. I couldn’t give a shit if it means I’m watching the shit I did yesterday. Nothing justifies having to watch that wank. That wank yesterday wasn’t even the worse we’ve been. So if you think it couldn’t get any worse then it absolutely could. If you stick a player in that team who gets to do what he wants then it’s a recipe for even more of a disaster than what it currently is.
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Post by figo85 on Feb 18, 2024 8:43:28 GMT
The idea that Mmae would come in and turn our fortunes around, isn’t half puzzling. There’s been very little to suggest he’s other than a chancer who’s cashed in on the big time.
Currently has a ration of 1 in 5.5 games.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 18, 2024 8:45:05 GMT
I couldn’t give a shit if it means I’m watching the shit I did yesterday. Nothing justifies having to watch that wank. That wank yesterday wasn’t even the worse we’ve been. So if you think it couldn’t get any worse then it absolutely could. If you stick a player in that team who gets to do what he wants then it’s a recipe for even more of a disaster than what it currently is. Yesterday was about the most soul destroying performance of the season for me. A manager that has shat himself already and foregone what he believes in. It only ends one way. Mmaee is better than what played and what was on the bench striker wise yesterday. He has to be in the squad. It’s crazy that he isn’t.
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Post by mattythestokie on Feb 18, 2024 8:52:05 GMT
That wank yesterday wasn’t even the worse we’ve been. So if you think it couldn’t get any worse then it absolutely could. If you stick a player in that team who gets to do what he wants then it’s a recipe for even more of a disaster than what it currently is. Yesterday was about the most soul destroying performance of the season for me. A manager that has shat himself already and foregone what he believes in. It only ends one way. Mmaee is better than what played and what was on the bench striker wise yesterday. He has to be in the squad. It’s crazy that he isn’t. You can’t possibly say it’s crazy though without knowing what he did that required disciplining though surely? I’m a Mmaee fan as well and he absolutely improves us on paper. But if adding him to the team sends a message that you can do what you want when we are at a team when we need a team more than ever than I absolutely guarantee this team will get worse.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 18, 2024 8:53:43 GMT
Yesterday was about the most soul destroying performance of the season for me. A manager that has shat himself already and foregone what he believes in. It only ends one way. Mmaee is better than what played and what was on the bench striker wise yesterday. He has to be in the squad. It’s crazy that he isn’t. You can’t possibly say it’s crazy though without knowing what he did that required disciplining though surely? I’m a Mmaee fan as well and he absolutely improves us on paper. But if adding him to the team sends a message that you can do what you want when we are at a team when we need a team more than ever than I absolutely guarantee this team will get worse. I can because I care about what I’m watching and that’s it. Unless it was criminal then I couldn’t give a shit.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 18, 2024 8:58:44 GMT
Looks like he's going to play Ennis whenever he can - but a 3- game week is a stretch too far with his injury record.
As to who should be next in line, all the options are unpalatable for different reasons.
But Mmaee would be rock bottom on my list. Management can't just be about pampering troublemakers, especially ones who aren't particularly good and have never looked arsed, after giving them a cursory fortnight on the naughty step.
I'm not sure how on earth you choose between Wesley, Campbell and Lowe. But you're cursing your luck (and your bumbling recruitment team) whatever you come up with.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2024 9:00:25 GMT
Faces have been spited here for sure, but I'm seeing people walking around with no noses and that's pretty sad.
We have just three strikers to choose from:
Wesley who can't move and fails one of the non negotiatiables instantly. He also hasn't scored a single goal all season in 20 appearances.
Nathan Lowe. Vastly inexperienced and it shows. He ideally needs a loan to a lower level like Tezgel.
Niall Ennis. A player who can't trap a bag of cement, has a foot that resembles a trampoline but will graft and nick the odd goal. Sadly can't play the required 3 games in a week that is a given in this league due to his career long injury and fitness problems.
It's nothing other than management by numbers that has led us here.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 18, 2024 9:01:44 GMT
Looks like he's going to play Ennis whenever he can - but a 3- game week is a stretch too far with his injury record. As to who should be next in line, all the options are unpalatable for different reasons. But Mmaee would be rock bottom on my list. Management can't just be about pampering troublemakers, especially ones who aren't particularly good and have never looked arsed, after giving them a cursory fortnight on the naughty step. I'm not sure how on earth you choose between Wesley, Campbell and Lowe. But you're cursing your luck (and your bumbling recruitment team) whatever you come up with. Ennis had to start yesterday if he’s going to die on this hill though. I mean we even sent the wrong fucking young player out on loan 🤣🤦♂️ Can’t agree that Mmaee hasn’t looked arsed either. He tried and he’s held the ball up better than anyone this season for us. But we just didn’t support him. He’s been handled terribly from the get go.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 18, 2024 9:03:44 GMT
Looks like he's going to play Ennis whenever he can - but a 3- game week is a stretch too far with his injury record. As to who should be next in line, all the options are unpalatable for different reasons. But Mmaee would be rock bottom on my list. Management can't just be about pampering troublemakers, especially ones who aren't particularly good and have never looked arsed, after giving them a cursory fortnight on the naughty step. I'm not sure how on earth you choose between Wesley, Campbell and Lowe. But you're cursing your luck (and your bumbling recruitment team) whatever you come up with. Ennis had to start yesterday if he’s going to die on this hill though. I mean we even sent the wrong fucking young player out on loan 🤣🤦♂️ Can’t agree that Mmaee hasn’t looked arsed either. He tried and he’s held the ball up better than anyone this season for us. But we just didn’t support him. He’s been handled terribly from the get go. No point starting Ennis if you think he's in the 'red zone' and a significant injury is around the corner if you empty his tank - which is what he was suggesting He basically said he knows his body very well, and 3-game week coming off his recent injuries was a no-go unless we wanted to risk him being out for a month.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 18, 2024 9:04:53 GMT
Ennis had to start yesterday if he’s going to die on this hill though. I mean we even sent the wrong fucking young player out on loan 🤣🤦♂️ Can’t agree that Mmaee hasn’t looked arsed either. He tried and he’s held the ball up better than anyone this season for us. But we just didn’t support him. He’s been handled terribly from the get go. No point starting Ennis if you think he's in the 'red zone' and a significant injury is around the corner if you empty his tank - which is what he was suggesting He basically said he knows his body very well, and 3-game week coming off his recent injuries was a no-go unless we wanted to rush him being out for a month. Of course there is. Try to win the fucking game. We simply didn’t. And that for me is inexcusable at home.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Feb 18, 2024 9:06:47 GMT
Mmae has been awful for the club. Let's not pretend he's the answer.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 18, 2024 9:07:18 GMT
No point starting Ennis if you think he's in the 'red zone' and a significant injury is around the corner if you empty his tank - which is what he was suggesting He basically said he knows his body very well, and 3-game week coming off his recent injuries was a no-go unless we wanted to rush him being out for a month. Of course there is. Try to win the fucking game. We simply didn’t. And that for me is inexcusable at home. Pulling a hamstring and being out for 8 games wouldn’t be very bright either. Resting Ennis I had no issue with, playing Lowe was what I objected to he’s simply not ready for Championship football. Definitely time to bring Mmaee in from the naughty step……
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 18, 2024 9:09:08 GMT
Of course there is. Try to win the fucking game. We simply didn’t. And that for me is inexcusable at home. Pulling a hamstring and being out for 8 games wouldn’t be very bright either. Resting Ennis I had no issue with, playing Lowe was what I objected to he’s simply not ready for Championship football…… Spot on and neither was/is Tezgel who is getting the odd minute or two as a very late substitute
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 18, 2024 9:09:50 GMT
Of course there is. Try to win the fucking game. We simply didn’t. And that for me is inexcusable at home. Pulling a hamstring and being out for 8 games wouldn’t be very bright either. Resting Ennis I had no issue with, playing Lowe was what I objected to he’s simply not ready for Championship football. Definitely time to bring Mmaee in from the naughty step…… It also brings about lots of questions about signing players that can’t play 3 games in a week. The whole thing is a shambles.
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Post by Trouserdog on Feb 18, 2024 9:10:56 GMT
No point starting Ennis if you think he's in the 'red zone' and a significant injury is around the corner if you empty his tank - which is what he was suggesting He basically said he knows his body very well, and 3-game week coming off his recent injuries was a no-go unless we wanted to rush him being out for a month. Of course there is. Try to win the fucking game. We simply didn’t. And that for me is inexcusable at home. Have you not read a word he's written there? You'd send a striker out knowing he'll probably be injured for the next month? More childish nonsense.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 18, 2024 9:13:17 GMT
Of course there is. Try to win the fucking game. We simply didn’t. And that for me is inexcusable at home. Have you not read a word he's written there? You'd send a striker out knowing he'll probably be injured for the next month? More childish nonsense. I think it’s a bullshit excuse and highlights more poor recruitment of unfit players. Plauers play through this all the time. He had one game to play and then a week before the next. He’s a pro athlete ffs who has done nothing all season and he can’t play 3 games in a week. Spare me the nonsense.
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 18, 2024 9:22:33 GMT
If you don't deal with it then you're creating exactly the sort of scenario that helped take us down from the Prem- a holiday camp full of wasters who can't be arsed. One player gets away with it and other players who might not be the most committed follow suit. That's how a negative culture is created. You manage it by weeding out tossers like him and sending a message to others who might be tempted to try it that it won't be tolerated. It's not like Mmaee is even any good. He's pretty wank and not worth the hassle. There’s the time and the place though. This was neither the time nor the place as it shown and we are left with a lad who should have been sent out on loan and the worst Brazilian footballer since the last one we had. It’s pathetic. Again, a sign of an inexperienced manager who has cocked up. Have you any evidence to say we'd be doing any better with him in the fold. I like him, think he could be a good player but he's spent six months messing about and hasn't produced anything on the field to suggest we should accommodate or tolerate him. It's pretty obvious that Vidigal and Campbell at least have been followers and their form has also been shocking. If any of them would improve our results then fine it is a mistake but I think we would be doing just as badly if not worse with them in the team. And I am speaking as a fan who likes all three as players and was excited to see how they would play together back in August. You could also say it is an inexperienced manager trying to do damage limitation after an experienced manager had let them get away with it for too long
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Post by moon on Feb 18, 2024 9:23:24 GMT
The idea that Mmae would come in and turn our fortunes around, isn’t half puzzling. There’s been very little to suggest he’s other than a chancer who’s cashed in on the big time. Currently has a ration of 1 in 5.5 games. And what are the ratios of our other attacking players? we’d be scoring more goals if they had a similar ratio to Mmaee. Mmaee is not a chancer, he clearly has some talent, and we are a better team with him in it as the alternatives (Ennis aside) are woeful. If his behaviour has improved since he was dropped and publicly criticised then I’d like to see him given another chance, I don’t see where the goals are going to come from otherwise and I’d like us to be in the Championship next season rather than battling it out in league one. Many of these players will move on, but for the time being they play for Stoke and we need to get the best out of them. If his behaviour hasn’t changed then some action is needed, and it’s fair enough he is not selected.
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Post by pushon on Feb 18, 2024 9:36:39 GMT
The idea that Mmae would come in and turn our fortunes around, isn’t half puzzling. There’s been very little to suggest he’s other than a chancer who’s cashed in on the big time. Currently has a ration of 1 in 5.5 games. And what are the ratios of our other attacking players? we’d be scoring more goals if they had a similar ratio to Mmaee. Mmaee is not a chancer, he clearly has some talent, and we are a better team with him in it as the alternatives (Ennis aside) are woeful. If his behaviour has improved since he was dropped and publicly criticised then I’d like to see him given another chance, I don’t see where the goals are going to come from otherwise and I’d like us to be in the Championship next season rather than battling it out in league one. Many of these players will move on, but for the time being they play for Stoke and we need to get the best out of them. If his behaviour hasn’t changed then some action is needed, and it’s fair enough he is not selected. It's an awful situation we're in and there seems to be no ideal solution. I think the above suggestion is quite probably the best that can be done.
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Post by tuum on Feb 18, 2024 10:17:44 GMT
Are we talking about a different Ryan Mmaee? This one isn't anywhere near the level of ability to start tolerating outrageous behaviour. I agree. You can make exceptions which will always breed some resentment from other players. If a manager chooses to ignore poor behaviour then he has to work harder to keep the other 24 players in the squad happy. Pulis seemingly managed this balancing act w.r.t Fuller but Mmaee is no Fuller. Mmaee isn't good enough to warrant ignoring his behaviour. I am ok with the action taken by SS on this matter. I am also happy to stick Lowe up top. He was ok yesterday and will get better with more time on the pitch.
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Post by jeycov on Feb 18, 2024 10:26:41 GMT
Agree with the stance re player’s unacceptable behaviour Lowe is still finding his feet and probably wouldn’t be starting if the more experienced players were available and willing to give 100% Difficult challenge for SS - hope we can secure enough points survive in this division
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Feb 18, 2024 10:27:49 GMT
Mmae has been awful for the club. Let's not pretend he's the answer. The only way off looking good at this club is having an extended period out of the team. The guy is fucking putrid and I hope I never see him poncing around in a Stoke shirt again.
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