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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Feb 18, 2024 18:29:24 GMT
I am not sure where we go with this. All windows elsewhere are closed now, no mention of where we stand at present. Do we assume he is still training with the under 21's?. If so is he a good example to set the younger players?. He's an example of what happens to you if you can't act professionally in a professional football setup..
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Feb 18, 2024 18:29:37 GMT
Are we any weaker without Mmaee though? He has been extremely underwhelming - and that is being polite. Barring the Birmingham away game (where I thought that he played really well) he has barely contributed. For context, Jordan Thompson has scored one less goal in the league than Mmaee despite being primarily a substitute before being shunted into a makeshift left back. When we're having to use Wesley and start Lowe I'd say we definitely are weaker, Mmaee offers more than both of them as things stand. Maybe as an individual on the pitch but if he’s disruptive to team harmony then definitely the right decision to bin him
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Post by march4 on Feb 18, 2024 18:30:41 GMT
There was nothing wrong with disciplining Mmaee, but was it really necessary to do so publicly?
In my experience, that tends to deepen any conflict and sympathy among other employees multiplies.
Who signed off on this?
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Post by dirtygary69 on Feb 18, 2024 18:33:26 GMT
Are we any weaker without Mmaee though? He has been extremely underwhelming - and that is being polite. Barring the Birmingham away game (where I thought that he played really well) he has barely contributed. For context, Jordan Thompson has scored one less goal in the league than Mmaee despite being primarily a substitute before being shunted into a makeshift left back. When we're having to use Wesley and start Lowe I'd say we definitely are weaker, Mmaee offers more than both of them as things stand. I agree. Who knows how much a dickhead he and the others have been, but is it really worth the risk of banishing them all? If we stay up in spite of them then I suppose it’s fair play but if we don’t, has he really done the best thing? Thierry Henry he might not be, but he’s simply a much better option than Lowe and Wesley. I hope at least one of these lads gets back into the squad before the end of the season, and of course preferably with a big fat “sorry for being an arsehole”. I don’t think I can ever recall a situation quite like where four/five attackers have been completely cast aside for a side that struggles for goals. I don’t want to get the piss taken out of me or the club, but I really don’t want to be relegated either.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 18, 2024 18:33:50 GMT
There was nothing wrong with disciplining Mmaee, but was it really necessary to do so publicly? In my experience, that tends to deepen any conflict and sympathy among other employees multiplies. Who signed off on this? You can't keep saying he's got a never-healing niggle every week though, can you? Once his agent had put out that one-sided bullshit about us trying to sell him for no reason but him "being very happy here", it was out there. And it was always going to attract attention if he wasn't figuring.
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Feb 18, 2024 18:34:48 GMT
There was nothing wrong with disciplining Mmaee, but was it really necessary to do so publicly? In my experience, that tends to deepen any conflict and sympathy among other employees multiplies. Who signed off on this? In my experience, work mates tolerate a lot but their comes a point when even they say... come on, this waster needs sorting out,
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Post by Davef on Feb 18, 2024 18:42:08 GMT
Let's not forget the cheer that accompanied Campbell's withdrawal before the hour mark against Leicester was probably the loudest roar of the afternoon from the home stands. Funny how you magically get better when you don't play! There is no good option from Campbell, Wesley and Lowe Campbell has scored st thus level the other two haven’t it’s a no brainer he needs to play and not as as a loan striker , rhe gibberidh around he’s going to play centrally and then leave him out of the squad is more totally muddled. thinking . For the next 13cgames he needs as many proven Championship players as he at his disposal starting Lowe has scored the same amount of goals as Campbell this season. And his goal actually won us points.
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Feb 18, 2024 18:45:33 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 18, 2024 18:45:33 GMT
He’s good enough, his mind isn’t. Schumachers job, as any manager, is to integrate him back in and get the support of the squad. If he doesn’t do that he’s failed to do his job I’m afraid
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Feb 18, 2024 18:46:48 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 18, 2024 18:46:48 GMT
There was nothing wrong with disciplining Mmaee, but was it really necessary to do so publicly? In my experience, that tends to deepen any conflict and sympathy among other employees multiplies. Who signed off on this? In my experience, work mates tolerate a lot but their comes a point when even they say... come on, this waster needs sorting out, Sorting out yes, ostracised no. It’s the managers job to manage the players at the club
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Feb 18, 2024 19:10:43 GMT
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Post by Dutchpeter on Feb 18, 2024 19:10:43 GMT
There was nothing wrong with disciplining Mmaee, but was it really necessary to do so publicly? In my experience, that tends to deepen any conflict and sympathy among other employees multiplies. Who signed off on this? It reminds me of the sale of Keith Scott in 1995 who I believe was dressing room poison. If there wasn’t FFP Mmae would be gone like Scott. The public chastisement of players reminds me of Alan Ball and he wasn’t a great advert for man management.
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Feb 18, 2024 19:22:11 GMT
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Post by march4 on Feb 18, 2024 19:22:11 GMT
There was nothing wrong with disciplining Mmaee, but was it really necessary to do so publicly? In my experience, that tends to deepen any conflict and sympathy among other employees multiplies. Who signed off on this? You can't keep saying he's got a never-healing niggle every week though, can you? Once his agent had put out that one-sided bullshit about us trying to sell him for no reason but him "being very happy here", it was out there. And it was always going to attract attention if he wasn't figuring. It might seem implausible but saying he fell over his goldfish and shattered his toenail is preferable to making things public with the possibility of him feeling humiliated and his mates sympathising. Handled very badly. Who signed it off? Are the PFA involved?
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Post by yellowsnowman on Feb 18, 2024 19:30:40 GMT
Waster
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Post by stokiekm on Feb 18, 2024 19:34:21 GMT
Let's not forget the cheer that accompanied Campbell's withdrawal before the hour mark against Leicester was probably the loudest roar of the afternoon from the home stands. Funny how you magically get better when you don't play! There is no good option from Campbell, Wesley and Lowe Campbell has scored st thus level the other two haven’t it’s a no brainer he needs to play and not as as a loan striker , rhe gibberidh around he’s going to play centrally and then leave him out of the squad is more totally muddled. thinking . For the next 13cgames he needs as many proven Championship players as he at his disposal starting English translation would be appreciated
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Feb 18, 2024 19:36:08 GMT
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Post by thornestein on Feb 18, 2024 19:36:08 GMT
Are we any weaker without Mmaee though? He has been extremely underwhelming - and that is being polite. Barring the Birmingham away game (where I thought that he played really well) he has barely contributed. For context, Jordan Thompson has scored one less goal in the league than Mmaee despite being primarily a substitute before being shunted into a makeshift left back. When we're having to use Wesley and start Lowe I'd say we definitely are weaker, Mmaee offers more than both of them as things stand. does he , if so it’s only slightly
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Post by thornestein on Feb 18, 2024 19:36:50 GMT
There was nothing wrong with disciplining Mmaee, but was it really necessary to do so publicly? In my experience, that tends to deepen any conflict and sympathy among other employees multiplies. Who signed off on this? was it made public or did it leak out , as these things do
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Post by shakermaker on Feb 18, 2024 20:03:45 GMT
No, he is not "streets ahead" of them. This isn't a cocky, ego-driven Galactico we're talking about. Mmaee is the same as Lowe and Wesley in that he couldn't score in a blue movie. 3 goals in the equivalent of 14 full games or so is not worth throwing squad discipline out of the window for. I don't like the alternatives any more than you do, but I am certain that based on his woeful performances for us that had Mmaee played these past four games, it wouldn't have made a blind bit of difference. If Mmaee apologises to the manager and convinces Schuey he will roll his socks up and at least apply himself in training, then by all means let's welcome him back into the fold. Talk of brawls at Clayton Wood though suggest Mmaee still hasn't removed the chip from his shoulder. Surely this is where being a good manager and communicator is key. Players should be punished but leaving them out in the cold isn’t the answer it’s about keeping conversations up. Of course I don’t know what’s been done but the way I see it is we need everyone in the building that’s fit. Maybe it’s about having some good mediation. I know football is a world away from civilian employment, but there are still parallels. In a normal work situation, you would get everyone round a table with a union rep supporting the employee and someone from HR playing wingman to the line manager. In this case, read PFA rep for Mmaee and maybe someone like Ange alongside Schuey. At the end of the day, there needs to be a willingness from both sides to resolve this.
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Feb 18, 2024 20:18:58 GMT
In my experience, work mates tolerate a lot but their comes a point when even they say... come on, this waster needs sorting out, Sorting out yes, ostracised no. It’s the managers job to manage the players at the club Maybe he's managed the issue by removing the problem player for greater good of the other 24 squad members. Maybe the captain went to ss and said look we've had enough, get mmae out he's disrupting the dressing room. He has a squad of players to manage not just 1 who doesn't want to be managed.
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Feb 18, 2024 21:29:05 GMT
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 18, 2024 21:29:05 GMT
When we're having to use Wesley and start Lowe I'd say we definitely are weaker, Mmaee offers more than both of them as things stand. does he , if so it’s only slightly Slightly could make the difference.
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Post by Sfance on Feb 18, 2024 21:45:22 GMT
Campbell has scored st thus level the other two haven’t it’s a no brainer he needs to play and not as as a loan striker , rhe gibberidh around he’s going to play centrally and then leave him out of the squad is more totally muddled. thinking . For the next 13cgames he needs as many proven Championship players as he at his disposal starting English translation would be appreciated It occurs to me that Benji might be one of those monkeys you set up with a keyboard, then sit around til he types out something that could almost be Shakespearian. You’d have to wait a long time though. Probably get through another 7 or 8 managers and be back in the Prem by the time he’s managed two halfway decent sentences.
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Post by maine on Feb 18, 2024 22:18:42 GMT
I'm still struggling to accept the argument that Mmaee is the best striking option we have. Yes, Wesley is very limited, Lowe inexperienced and Gayle was past his best, but to be honest I'd prefer all of those to Mmaee. He's shown little effort, minimal ability to take on a man and isn't quick. I also don't approve of tarring Vidigal with the same brush. In the last game he played, Vidigal tried to find space, and seemed willing to work for the team. He is worth re-incorporating, the sooner the better.
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Feb 18, 2024 22:30:16 GMT
English translation would be appreciated It occurs to me that Benji might be one of those monkeys you set up with a keyboard, then sit around til he types out something that could almost be Shakespearian. You’d have to wait a long time though. Probably get through another 7 or 8 managers and be back in the Prem by the time he’s managed two halfway decent sentences. Reminds me of this 😂
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Feb 18, 2024 23:52:31 GMT
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Post by biddulphchav on Feb 18, 2024 23:52:31 GMT
That’s a very very simplistic view of how to manage a situation involving people. It’s assumes that everyone is looking for an opportunity to take the piss - which clearly isn’t the case. Good managers are able to get the best out of everyone - that’s the art of management. Not everyone responds well to ‘non-negotiables’ when it is framed that way, especially from a young inexperienced manager who has no real achievements in the game as a manager or a player. I don’t know the specifics here but to suggest you either bomb squad players or keep them involved and let the disease spread as the only two ways to handle this is a little bit stupid in my view. First of all, you're the one assuming that I mean everyone is constantly looking for an opportunity to take the piss. That, if you don't mind me saying, is rather stupid in itself and at no point have I said that. Obviously there is a mix of people in any organisation...some will require little external motivation and effectively manage themselves. Others will be influenced by the culture around them. It depends on the characters you have around. However, in any large group of people there will usually be some who will bend the rules themselves if they see others doing it. it's extremely naive to think otherwise. None of us know what the manager has already done prior to putting Mmaee in the u21s, but I doubt he's gone straight for that option. The manager hasn’t had enough time at the club to fully assess what the best way to manage the individuals here is in my opinion. If this is simply about a perceived lack of commitment in training then I think there are better ways to go about this, given the context, which is basically that we have extremely limited options up front. Maybe this approach will work longer term but it’s not the answer at this point in time and in these circumstances. If we go down then this will surely be brought up as a contributing factor.
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Post by Trouserdog on Feb 19, 2024 6:26:42 GMT
First of all, you're the one assuming that I mean everyone is constantly looking for an opportunity to take the piss. That, if you don't mind me saying, is rather stupid in itself and at no point have I said that. Obviously there is a mix of people in any organisation...some will require little external motivation and effectively manage themselves. Others will be influenced by the culture around them. It depends on the characters you have around. However, in any large group of people there will usually be some who will bend the rules themselves if they see others doing it. it's extremely naive to think otherwise. None of us know what the manager has already done prior to putting Mmaee in the u21s, but I doubt he's gone straight for that option. The manager hasn’t had enough time at the club to fully assess what the best way to manage the individuals here is in my opinion. If this is simply about a perceived lack of commitment in training then I think there are better ways to go about this, given the context, which is basically that we have extremely limited options up front. Maybe this approach will work longer term but it’s not the answer at this point in time and in these circumstances. If we go down then this will surely be brought up as a contributing factor. If the players he's bombed out were any good, then maybe it would. As it happens though, they're absolute rubbish and have already contributed very little. How long do you think a manager needs to assess how to manage a player who hasn't been turning up for training on time or putting any effort in and hasn't changed that behaviour since he arrived? How long do you allow that to go on for? Schumacher had been here at least a month before dealing with Mmaee, which is ample time to try other things and assess that actually, the bloke is clearly just a twat who isn't going to respond to those 'softer' methods of managing him. It's so easy to keep blaming manager after manager isn't it? They can't all be useless.
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Post by biddulphchav on Feb 19, 2024 6:54:31 GMT
The manager hasn’t had enough time at the club to fully assess what the best way to manage the individuals here is in my opinion. If this is simply about a perceived lack of commitment in training then I think there are better ways to go about this, given the context, which is basically that we have extremely limited options up front. Maybe this approach will work longer term but it’s not the answer at this point in time and in these circumstances. If we go down then this will surely be brought up as a contributing factor. If the players he's bombed out were any good, then maybe it would. As it happens though, they're absolute rubbish and have already contributed very little. How long do you think a manager needs to assess how to manage a player who hasn't been turning up for training on time or putting any effort in and hasn't changed that behaviour since he arrived? How long do you allow that to go on for? Schumacher had been here at least a month before dealing with Mmaee, which is ample time to try other things and assess that actually, the bloke is clearly just a twat who isn't going to respond to those 'softer' methods of managing him. It's so easy to keep blaming manager after manager isn't it? They can't all be useless. I don’t think the manager is useless but he is very inexperienced, and I think that’s obvious. Mmaee isn’t a world beater, but he’s the best of a shit forward line the manager has to work with. Fucking him off because he doesn’t meet the managers standards (and I don’t know what he actually did or didn’t do and neither do you) in this situation shows naivety. Our results have gotten worse since we brought this manager in, and so have our goals scored. So if that’s your idea of good management then I hope you don’t actually manage anything in real life. If Ennis gets injured it’s a choice between Lowe and Wesley to lead the line and score the goals to keep us up. So let that sink in. On top of that Ennis has one goal at this level and has had 2 serious injuries in his short career and a very poor injury record overall.
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Post by thisisouryear on Feb 19, 2024 7:44:04 GMT
English translation would be appreciated It occurs to me that Benji might be one of those monkeys you set up with a keyboard, then sit around til he types out something that could almost be Shakespearian. You’d have to wait a long time though. Probably get through another 7 or 8 managers and be back in the Prem by the time he’s managed two halfway decent sentences. I always assumed he was dyslexic or had some issue which is why he struggles to write sentences properly. I don't feel the need to pull him up for it though as it's probably out of his control. The majority of the time I can work out what he is saying anyway. It comes across as bullying to me when people start challenging him on his spelling and wording. I'd prefer to challenge his opinions and sometimes his negativity rather than his spelling and language.
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Post by werrington on Feb 19, 2024 13:14:23 GMT
Not even in the U21 squad today
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Post by mattythestokie on Feb 19, 2024 13:23:34 GMT
Not even in the U21 squad today Wonder if that means promoted to the first team or even further knocked down…
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Post by Gary Hackett on Feb 19, 2024 13:41:47 GMT
Not even in the U21 squad today Wonder if that means promoted to the first team or even further knocked down… Training on his own.
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Post by Fred Merger on Feb 19, 2024 13:49:33 GMT
Wonder if that means promoted to the first team or even further knocked down… Training on his own. At least he might score if there's no one in goal👍
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Post by frasier37 on Feb 19, 2024 13:54:48 GMT
Mmaee and Campbell dropped, playing in the u21's is this all because they wouldn't fuck off to other clubs during the Jan window? RM man management guru strikes again
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