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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 18, 2024 0:54:15 GMT
What actually happened with him? We tried to sell him? He wanted to stay? So we make him train alone? They are the bits I’ve read. What have I missed. Because if that’s it then he’s done nowt wrong? Not toeing the line in training so excluded. No more’s been divulged. So we try to sell him, upset the Apple cart and it all goes to shit. How very us. He needs to be back in the squad sharpish.
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Post by banksie66 on Feb 18, 2024 1:02:30 GMT
Not toeing the line in training so excluded. No more’s been divulged. So we try to sell him, upset the Apple cart and it all goes to shit. How very us. He needs to be back in the squad sharpish. As part of Tricky Ricky’s remit, I would imagine, was any attention played to the character/DNA of players or just the raw data looked at? I know TP said many a time that the character of a player is colossally important. Just thinking of John Percy of The Telegraph’s comments… “Stoke’s technical director Ricky Martin…must also be coming under intense scrutiny after a remarkable 19 players were signed over the summer with little success.” “That focus on finances makes Martin’s scattergun transfer strategy over the summer all the more inexplicable. Nineteen signings were brought in, but Martin somehow managed to still make the squad unbalanced and short of options in key areas. No leaders, or a quality centre-forward and centre-half, were signed despite the finance available.”. 🤔
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 18, 2024 1:07:00 GMT
So we try to sell him, upset the Apple cart and it all goes to shit. How very us. He needs to be back in the squad sharpish. As part of Tricky Ricky’s remit, I would imagine, was any attention played to the character/DNA of players or just the raw data looked at? Just thinking of John Percy of The Telegraph’s comments… “Stoke’s technical director Ricky Martin…must also be coming under intense scrutiny after a remarkable 19 players were signed over the summer with little success.” “That focus on finances makes Martin’s scattergun transfer strategy over the summer all the more inexplicable. Nineteen signings were brought in, but Martin somehow managed to still make the squad unbalanced and short of options in key areas. No leaders, or a quality centre-forward and centre-half, were signed despite the finance available.”. 🤔 I quite like Mmaee so am biased there. Martin should have been fired when Neil went though. Neil bought him in. They are mates. Why the hell would you keep him? The biggest issue imo over the summer was the defence. The signings there are atrocious. Wilmot is atrocious and we didn’t replace him. The biggest issue re new strikers is Wes. A complete shit show.
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Post by banksie66 on Feb 18, 2024 1:08:58 GMT
As part of Tricky Ricky’s remit, I would imagine, was any attention played to the character/DNA of players or just the raw data looked at? Just thinking of John Percy of The Telegraph’s comments… “Stoke’s technical director Ricky Martin…must also be coming under intense scrutiny after a remarkable 19 players were signed over the summer with little success.” “That focus on finances makes Martin’s scattergun transfer strategy over the summer all the more inexplicable. Nineteen signings were brought in, but Martin somehow managed to still make the squad unbalanced and short of options in key areas. No leaders, or a quality centre-forward and centre-half, were signed despite the finance available.”. 🤔 I quite like Mmaee so am biased there. Martin should have been fired when Neil went though. Neil bought him in. They are mates. Why the hell would you keep him? The biggest issue imo over the summer was the defence. The signings there are atrocious. Wilmot is atrocious and we didn’t replace him. The biggest issue re new strikers is Wes. A complete shit show. Agree with all you say, apart from the bit about Mmaee. 😁 And maybe JC should do his own recon. for a DoF, rather than rely on a bloke he’s just sacked. Re: Wesley and other loans. I’m beginning to think that loanees see it as 12 months easy street before they go back to their parent club. Plus some we’ve permanently signed.🤦🏻♂️
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 18, 2024 1:11:36 GMT
Not toeing the line in training so excluded. No more’s been divulged. So we try to sell him, upset the Apple cart and it all goes to shit. How very us. He needs to be back in the squad sharpish. The training ground issues had been happening long before we tried to sell him.
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Post by banksie66 on Feb 18, 2024 1:15:12 GMT
So we try to sell him, upset the Apple cart and it all goes to shit. How very us. He needs to be back in the squad sharpish. The training ground issues had been happening long before we tried to sell him. Was the character/DNA of all the players we signed looked at? Looks like we just got lucky by chance with Burger. Any other true leaders signed?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 18, 2024 1:16:47 GMT
I quite like Mmaee so am biased there. Martin should have been fired when Neil went though. Neil bought him in. They are mates. Why the hell would you keep him? The biggest issue imo over the summer was the defence. The signings there are atrocious. Wilmot is atrocious and we didn’t replace him. The biggest issue re new strikers is Wes. A complete shit show. Agree with all you say, apart from the bit about Mmaee. 😁 And maybe JC should do his own recon. for a DoF, rather than rely on a bloke he’s just sacked. Re: Wesley and other loans. I’m beginning to think that loanees see it as 12 months easy street before they go back to their parent club. Plus some we’ve permanently signed.🤦🏻♂️ If Coates had a brain he’d employ some consultants and let them appoint the people. Give them parameters of what he wants and the people with actual knowledge go and get them. Our loans have been utter shit for some time. Since the late PL days. It’s so frustrating.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 18, 2024 1:17:21 GMT
So we try to sell him, upset the Apple cart and it all goes to shit. How very us. He needs to be back in the squad sharpish. The training ground issues had been happening long before we tried to sell him. Which makes it even worse imo. Just fucking manage it and play him.
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Post by banksie66 on Feb 18, 2024 1:18:30 GMT
Agree with all you say, apart from the bit about Mmaee. 😁 And maybe JC should do his own recon. for a DoF, rather than rely on a bloke he’s just sacked. Re: Wesley and other loans. I’m beginning to think that loanees see it as 12 months easy street before they go back to their parent club. Plus some we’ve permanently signed.🤦🏻♂️ If Coates had a brain he’d employ some consultants and let them appoint the people. Give them parameters of what he wants and the people with actual knowledge go and get them. Our loans have been utter shit for some time. Since the late PL days. It’s so frustrating. Much as I want to, ‘cause we all love our club, can’t disagree with any of that. Agree with you about the loans. Can’t remember the last time I wanted a loan player’s deal made permanent.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 18, 2024 1:33:05 GMT
If Coates had a brain he’d employ some consultants and let them appoint the people. Give them parameters of what he wants and the people with actual knowledge go and get them. Our loans have been utter shit for some time. Since the late PL days. It’s so frustrating. Much as I want to, ‘cause we all love our club, can’t disagree with any of that. Upon relegation from the PL it’s what we should have done.
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Post by banksie66 on Feb 18, 2024 1:35:51 GMT
Much as I want to, ‘cause we all love our club, can’t disagree with any of that. Upon relegation from the PL it’s what we should have done. If RM ends up going then🤞🏻. He is, after all, there on the recommendation of someone JC sacked for non-performance. The fallout from that you would imagine would ensure that it’s done correctly this time.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 18, 2024 1:40:12 GMT
Upon relegation from the PL it’s what we should have done. If RM ends up going then🤞🏻. The fallout from that you would imagine would ensure that it’s done correctly this time. I have 0 faith they’d do it right. They don’t seem to understand much about the football industry.
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Post by chamberlain on Feb 18, 2024 1:47:21 GMT
Agree with all you say, apart from the bit about Mmaee. 😁 And maybe JC should do his own recon. for a DoF, rather than rely on a bloke he’s just sacked. Re: Wesley and other loans. I’m beginning to think that loanees see it as 12 months easy street before they go back to their parent club. Plus some we’ve permanently signed.🤦🏻♂️ If Coates had a brain he’d employ some consultants and let them appoint the people. Give them parameters of what he wants and the people with actual knowledge go and get them. Our loans have been utter shit for some time. Since the late PL days. It’s so frustrating. Not one loan is an improvement on our signed players , take that in .
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Post by biddulphchav on Feb 18, 2024 2:07:29 GMT
I don’t know the details of this obviously, and neither does the rest of the fan base. What I would say though is that in our current situation sitting in a relegation dogfight and having lost 5 of our last 6 games, I’m not sure SS was right to make a stand and make Mmaee unavailable for selection. When our other options are Ennis or Lowe (forget Wesley), we are one injury away from having no back up and to be honest Lowe is not ready. Ennis is unproven at this level and has a poor injury record.
We can argue the case for putting his foot down and I agree with having high standards, but I also thing that good management is being able to see the bigger picture. Not sure SS has played this very smartly and he may live to regret it.
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Post by wakeypotter on Feb 18, 2024 2:38:05 GMT
Not toeing the line in training so excluded. No more’s been divulged. So we try to sell him, upset the Apple cart and it all goes to shit. How very us. He needs to be back in the squad sharpish. So you just let him do what he wants
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Post by tuum on Feb 18, 2024 3:57:21 GMT
The training ground issues had been happening long before we tried to sell him. Which makes it even worse imo. Just fucking manage it and play him. The situation is being managed. I also am biased. I think Mmaee is not very good. Even if he was the best trainer in the world with the most positive attitude the best I could offer him would be a place on the bench.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 18, 2024 6:48:32 GMT
Which makes it even worse imo. Just fucking manage it and play him. The situation is being managed. I also am biased. I think Mmaee is not very good. Even if he was the best trainer in the world with the most positive attitude the best I could offer him would be a place on the bench. So we’re stuck with a young lad who isn’t good enough yet and Wes is who is up there with the worst strikers we’ve ever had. Great.
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Post by moon on Feb 18, 2024 7:23:47 GMT
The situation is being managed. I also am biased. I think Mmaee is not very good. Even if he was the best trainer in the world with the most positive attitude the best I could offer him would be a place on the bench. So we’re stuck with a young lad who isn’t good enough yet and Wes is who is up there with the worst strikers we’ve ever had. Great. Egos are clearly more important than points.
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Post by thornestein on Feb 18, 2024 7:35:44 GMT
Not toeing the line in training so excluded. No more’s been divulged. So we try to sell him, upset the Apple cart and it all goes to shit. How very us. He needs to be back in the squad sharpish. he was constantly turning up late for training , not turned up at all on several occasions, he was rightly dropped , you let a player get away with that and others will try it
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 18, 2024 7:36:22 GMT
So we try to sell him, upset the Apple cart and it all goes to shit. How very us. He needs to be back in the squad sharpish. he was constantly turning up late for training , not turned up at all on several occasions, he was rightly dropped , you let a player get away with that and others will try it So we’re stuck with Wes. Wonderful.
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Post by Trouserdog on Feb 18, 2024 7:49:37 GMT
The training ground issues had been happening long before we tried to sell him. Which makes it even worse imo. Just fucking manage it and play him. If you don't deal with it then you're creating exactly the sort of scenario that helped take us down from the Prem- a holiday camp full of wasters who can't be arsed. One player gets away with it and other players who might not be the most committed follow suit. That's how a negative culture is created. You manage it by weeding out tossers like him and sending a message to others who might be tempted to try it that it won't be tolerated. It's not like Mmaee is even any good. He's pretty wank and not worth the hassle.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 18, 2024 7:54:38 GMT
Which makes it even worse imo. Just fucking manage it and play him. If you don't deal with it then you're creating exactly the sort of scenario that helped take us down from the Prem- a holiday camp full of wasters who can't be arsed. One player gets away with it and other players who might not be the most committed follow suit. That's how a negative culture is created. You manage it by weeding out tossers like him and sending a message to others who might be tempted to try it that it won't be tolerated. It's not like Mmaee is even any good. He's pretty wank and not worth the hassle. There’s the time and the place though. This was neither the time nor the place as it shown and we are left with a lad who should have been sent out on loan and the worst Brazilian footballer since the last one we had. It’s pathetic. Again, a sign of an inexperienced manager who has cocked up.
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Post by Trouserdog on Feb 18, 2024 7:58:59 GMT
If you don't deal with it then you're creating exactly the sort of scenario that helped take us down from the Prem- a holiday camp full of wasters who can't be arsed. One player gets away with it and other players who might not be the most committed follow suit. That's how a negative culture is created. You manage it by weeding out tossers like him and sending a message to others who might be tempted to try it that it won't be tolerated. It's not like Mmaee is even any good. He's pretty wank and not worth the hassle. There’s the time and the place though. This was neither the time nor the place as it shown and we are left with a lad who should have been sent out on loan and the worst Brazilian footballer since the last one we had. It’s pathetic. Again, a sign of an inexperienced manager who has cocked up. I'm glad you're not managing the team then. Some players would be turning up in their slippers with a fag and a beer in each hand.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 18, 2024 8:00:07 GMT
There’s the time and the place though. This was neither the time nor the place as it shown and we are left with a lad who should have been sent out on loan and the worst Brazilian footballer since the last one we had. It’s pathetic. Again, a sign of an inexperienced manager who has cocked up. I'm glad you're not managing the team then. Some players would be turning up in their slippers with a fag and a beer in each hand. And it’d be more entertaining than this shite. But yeah let’s have Laurent on the left wing like yesterday. Wonderful. Ffs
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 18, 2024 8:00:40 GMT
Are we talking about a different Ryan Mmaee?
This one isn't anywhere near the level of ability to start tolerating outrageous behaviour.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 18, 2024 8:01:58 GMT
Are we talking about a different Ryan Mmaee? This one isn't anywhere near the level of ability to start tolerating outrageous behaviour. He’s much better than what was on show yesterday. And that’s all that matters. The club has made a right pigs ear of this.
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Post by Trouserdog on Feb 18, 2024 8:04:57 GMT
Are we talking about a different Ryan Mmaee? This one isn't anywhere near the level of ability to start tolerating outrageous behaviour. Yes, we're talking about the one that exists only in bayern's head.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 18, 2024 8:06:12 GMT
Are we talking about a different Ryan Mmaee? This one isn't anywhere near the level of ability to start tolerating outrageous behaviour. Yes, we're talking about the one that exists only in bayern's head. So you’d prefer Lowe wallowing around or Wes haplessly doing nothing? Mmaee is streets ahead of the pair of them. It’s pathetic from another coward manager.
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Post by Trouserdog on Feb 18, 2024 8:12:00 GMT
Yes, we're talking about the one that exists only in bayern's head. So you’d prefer Lowe wallowing around or Wes haplessly doing nothing? Mmaee is streets ahead of the pair of them. It’s pathetic from another coward manager. As a manager, the cowardly thing to do would be to allow a pisstaking lazy employee to carry on taking the piss out of you. Clearly that'd be your approach, but thankfully Schumacher's got the balls to deal with it.
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Post by moon on Feb 18, 2024 8:12:01 GMT
Mmaee would improve the starting 11 for sure, when we’ve got Lowe in the middle and Gooch occasionally playing as a wide forward.
By all means move him on in the summer, but until then we need a contribution from him. He has been punished, now give him a chance to redeem himself.
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