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Post by dirtclod on Feb 9, 2024 13:17:03 GMT
Well good on him, that's step one. Step two is giving the gaffer a reason to play you other than injury-cover. Step three is sustaining it.
This is Schu managing a player like you should manage them. I keep forgetting how young these guys are. Our previous managers just ignored things like this and allowed them to fester. (Along with a plethora of other things) Looks like Schu has convinced Ryan and his agent that it's in his best interest to turn his boat around.
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Post by chamberlain on Feb 9, 2024 13:21:39 GMT
Let's hope he's told the manager this and not just the press to curry favour with the fans.
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Mmaee
Feb 9, 2024 13:23:43 GMT
Post by chiprockets on Feb 9, 2024 13:23:43 GMT
All the right noises from both manager and player tbf Still doubtful he can make his way back in though
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Feb 9, 2024 13:23:57 GMT
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Post by stokecitydom on Feb 9, 2024 13:23:57 GMT
If heās willing to get his head down, accept responsibility & fit in with the group then great. As much as some may not rate him, we need him.
Personally I think heās the best of a bad bunch of strikers we have. Everyone needs to knuckle down, pull in the same direction & make sure we survive.
Then in the summer we can access the situation, but right now heās a better striker than Campbell, Lowe, Wesley & maybe Ennis (whoās fitness issues are well known).
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 9, 2024 13:30:38 GMT
Thatās positive. If he shows the right attitude from now on then he can be welcomed back into the fold between now and the end of the season at the very least. On the flipside it could be an attempt to try and convince potential suitors he's not a complete twat.
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Feb 9, 2024 13:31:16 GMT
Post by Clayton Wood on Feb 9, 2024 13:31:16 GMT
Schumacher already said he wont be in the squad v Blackburn. First test will be is he back on Wednesday?
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Post by roylandstoke on Feb 9, 2024 13:32:04 GMT
If he can show the heart and commitment that his young Dutch skipper shows then welcome him back into the team with open arms.
If he continues to take the piss out of his employers, his teammates and the clubās support, then get rid.
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Feb 9, 2024 13:32:48 GMT
Post by LGH87 on Feb 9, 2024 13:32:48 GMT
Schumacher already said he wont be in the squad v Blackburn. First test will be is he back on Wednesday? I'd say not, he's still been training with the 21s this week, they'll train only twice pre blackburn too, that's even if he's allowed back up by monday which he may not. So he's probably ruled out of the next 2/3 definitely.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Feb 9, 2024 13:37:46 GMT
Schumacher already said he wont be in the squad v Blackburn. First test will be is he back on Wednesday? I'd say not, he's still been training with the 21s this week, they'll train only twice pre blackburn too, that's even if he's allowed back up by monday which he may not. So he's probably ruled out of the next 2/3 definitely. Yeah probably. I was thinking him making Wed's bench in a sort of public olive branch gesture.
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Post by ian57 on Feb 9, 2024 14:00:20 GMT
Thatās positive. If he shows the right attitude from now on then he can be welcomed back into the fold between now and the end of the season at the very least. On the flipside it could be an attempt to try and convince potential suitors he's not a complete twat. The best way to attract potential suitors would be to get yourself back in the fold and then score some goals surely.
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Feb 9, 2024 14:16:20 GMT
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Post by wearepremierleague on Feb 9, 2024 14:16:20 GMT
Fair play , if heās said the same to the manager and is seriously going to work on his actions then thereās no reason to not play him. We arenāt in a situation where we can be leaving our better players out.
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Feb 9, 2024 14:18:42 GMT
Post by maine on Feb 9, 2024 14:18:42 GMT
No Turkish option then?
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Post by chad on Feb 9, 2024 14:24:58 GMT
One nil to the manager
Iād suspect heāll be on the bench on Wednesday
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Post by s7oke on Feb 9, 2024 14:28:56 GMT
Get out there and fucking prove it then Commitment Teamwork Goals and turn up for training on time and be one of the last to leave
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Feb 9, 2024 14:33:48 GMT
Post by SamB_SCFC on Feb 9, 2024 14:33:48 GMT
I'd say not, he's still been training with the 21s this week, they'll train only twice pre blackburn too, that's even if he's allowed back up by monday which he may not. So he's probably ruled out of the next 2/3 definitely. Yeah probably. I was thinking him making Wed's bench in a sort of public olive branch gesture. I don't think you should put a player on the bench if you've no intention of playing him. Particularly this sort of match where Schumacher could be under big pressure to make attacking substitutions if we're desperate for a goal and there will be big questions to ask if we lose or draw and he wasn't brought on. I'd put that down as poor management if he did that and then that situation arose. Overall this is a good development. Obviously it has to be taken with a big pinch of salt because there are big incentives for this statement to be made on all sides. Schumacher has had a poor personal couple of weeks with a lot of questions being asked of his lineups in the last two games and a general impression being given of panic and a lack of control. This statement calms things down and makes him look more in control and re-asserts his authority publicly at least. For Mmae this makes him look less of a twat and that he's able to admit his mistakes, take his punishment and move on. Which will make him look less bad if he is indeed destined to move on in the summer. And for the club, it smooths over a bad PR incident and hopefully restores some of the value of a player they were looking destined to lose some FFP money over. Truth or spin, at the very least it's a smart PR move for all concerned and calms down some of the sense of crisis that's surrounding the club. And potentially it's a good thing for the team if this turns out to be genuine and he does knuckle down and play his way back into the managers plans. He's one of our more talented players and in a squad that's desperately lacking in quality we need him at his best. It could be the start of a renaissance for him.
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Feb 9, 2024 14:34:22 GMT
Post by etebojan on Feb 9, 2024 14:34:22 GMT
One nil to the manager Iād suspect heāll be on the bench on Wednesday Absolutely makes it look like Schuey has been bang on with this one, (and puts to bed any nonsense about it being Schueys fault for touting Ryan around without his consent or knowledge as cause for the falling out) nipped it in the bud and hopefully given Ryan the chance now to apologise and knuckledown if he really is keen to make amends and remain at the club
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Feb 9, 2024 14:35:05 GMT
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Post by Gary Hackett on Feb 9, 2024 14:35:05 GMT
Once a troublemaker always a troublemaker.
I'd make him clean the toilets until he leaves.
He'd probably miss some shit under the rim though.
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Feb 9, 2024 14:35:54 GMT
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Post by premieraj on Feb 9, 2024 14:35:54 GMT
That statement has put the ball in the managerās court to bring him back having sort of apologised?
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Post by chamberlain on Feb 9, 2024 14:37:43 GMT
Once a troublemaker always a troublemaker. I'd make him clean the toilets until he leaves. He'd probably miss some shit under the rim though. He'd probably miss the toilet
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Feb 9, 2024 14:50:50 GMT
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Post by bertiestan on Feb 9, 2024 14:50:50 GMT
Youād moan if he kept stum n you moan that heās apologisedš¤·š¼ everyone deserves a second chance..hopefully Schumacher feels the same and Mmaee shows that heās worth itā¦weāre not awash with strikers atm and Iām not prepared to cut my nose off to spite my face, I for one hope he knuckles down n proves people wrong, UTPš“āŖļø
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Feb 9, 2024 14:51:14 GMT
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Post by baconburger on Feb 9, 2024 14:51:14 GMT
Ellis Simms, Tom Cannon, Ross Stewart. Ā£1.5M (ā¬2M actually) was a pretty cheap gamble on a striker at Summer market price for goal scorers. Passage of time makes the Arnie fee pretty irrelevant. The standard is also irrelevant in the same way, how much would a regular goal scorer in the German league have cost in the Summer. Goal scorers are very expensive we took a cheap gamble on one that has blown up in our faces itās always going to be a possibility. The fee was a significant one in our current circumstances. He is 26. He is not really a development player. We should expect a āsenior proā and regular first choice player for the investment we have made. He seems to be neither. Arnie was a young 24 and almost certain to be sold for at least half what we paid even if he failed at Stoke. I donāt see anyone paying a fee for Ryan Maee anytime soon. Elijah Adebayo was a gamble when Luton took him from League 2 to the Championship. Ryan Maee was a major signing for a club in our position. He would have been a relatively risk free gamble for us 5 years ago. Ryan Mmaee was in no way a major signing. The names I listed are major signings. He was never even meant to be the major attacking signing in our Summer. Thatās why we chased other targets including those listed and BTA right upto the deadline. He was a cheap punt that everyone is up in arms about with hindsight about every risk because itās not worked out. I maintain despite our league position that our Summer business would reap more than the total we spent on it. The two things are not particularly linked, we could well have achieved a higher position by spending even more dead money. Itās not an approach I want to see(short termism).
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Feb 9, 2024 14:54:56 GMT
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Post by bertiestan on Feb 9, 2024 14:54:56 GMT
The fee was a significant one in our current circumstances. He is 26. He is not really a development player. We should expect a āsenior proā and regular first choice player for the investment we have made. He seems to be neither. Arnie was a young 24 and almost certain to be sold for at least half what we paid even if he failed at Stoke. I donāt see anyone paying a fee for Ryan Maee anytime soon. Elijah Adebayo was a gamble when Luton took him from League 2 to the Championship. Ryan Maee was a major signing for a club in our position. He would have been a relatively risk free gamble for us 5 years ago. Ryan Mmaee was in no way a major signing. The names I listed are major signings. He was never even meant to be the major attacking signing in our Summer. Thatās why we chased other targets including those listed and BTA right upto the deadline. He was a cheap punt that everyone is up in arms about with hindsight about every risk because itās not worked out. I maintain despite our league position that our Summer business would reap more than the total we spent on it. The two things are not particularly linked, we could well have achieved a higher position by spending even more dead money. Itās not an approach I want to see(short termism). Oooooh here he fucking isšš bit late to the party sunshine
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 9, 2024 14:56:12 GMT
That statement has put the ball in the managerās court to bring him back having sort of apologised? Not really, I wouldn't class this as anything like an apology. He's hasn't acknowledged the inconvenience he has caused the management, nor his teammates in that statement which is interesting. 'Unfortunate situation' is a bit ambiguous isn't it? The proof is in the pudding I guess.
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Feb 9, 2024 15:00:16 GMT
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Post by premieraj on Feb 9, 2024 15:00:16 GMT
That statement has put the ball in the managerās court to bring him back having sort of apologised? Not really, I wouldn't class this as anything like an apology. He's hasn't acknowledged the inconvenience he has caused the management, nor his teammates in that statement which is interesting. 'Unfortunate situation' is a bit ambiguous isn't it? Thatās what I meant sort of apology but almost begs a resoonse from the club.
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Feb 9, 2024 15:01:52 GMT
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Post by baconburger on Feb 9, 2024 15:01:52 GMT
Managers sometimes make exceptions for their favourites. Those favourites are usually in some way āunstoppableā. If a player isnāt that good, he probably shouldnāt give the manager a reason to drop them. Agreed, I'm not defending Mmaee and I certainly don't think he's "unstoppable". We have to get the best out of the players we have until the summer though, if the other strikers can find some form then it's not going to be an issue, if not then we might need him. That canāt possibly happen. He canāt come back into the reckoning on his own terms especially now itās out in the open. He could come back into the reckoning if he eats some humble pie and makes an undertaking to mend his ways. Any return must be probationary with previous conduct taken into consideration. Another chance but no clean slate.
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Feb 9, 2024 15:06:13 GMT
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Post by march4 on Feb 9, 2024 15:06:13 GMT
I wonder who the club use for HR advice.
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Feb 9, 2024 15:07:51 GMT
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Post by baconburger on Feb 9, 2024 15:07:51 GMT
Ryan Mmaee was in no way a major signing. The names I listed are major signings. He was never even meant to be the major attacking signing in our Summer. Thatās why we chased other targets including those listed and BTA right upto the deadline. He was a cheap punt that everyone is up in arms about with hindsight about every risk because itās not worked out. I maintain despite our league position that our Summer business would reap more than the total we spent on it. The two things are not particularly linked, we could well have achieved a higher position by spending even more dead money. Itās not an approach I want to see(short termism). Oooooh here he fucking isšš bit late to the party sunshine Back to the UK next week Iāll be able to up my game, sorry.
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 9, 2024 15:08:58 GMT
Not really, I wouldn't class this as anything like an apology. He's hasn't acknowledged the inconvenience he has caused the management, nor his teammates in that statement which is interesting. 'Unfortunate situation' is a bit ambiguous isn't it? Thatās what I meant sort of apology but almost begs a resoonse from the club. The response will be whether he gets a game based on what he does, or doesn't do in training and I think that's what it should be. A twitter statement means very little imo, apart from him trying to sort his professional image out.
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Feb 9, 2024 15:09:45 GMT
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Post by potterrotter on Feb 9, 2024 15:09:45 GMT
Leopards & spots comes to mind
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Feb 9, 2024 15:58:05 GMT
Post by yardstick on Feb 9, 2024 15:58:05 GMT
The real shame of this is, after coming back from his injuries, he started to look the real deal and was excellent at Watford. I thought if we can keep him fit and firing, he'd have a really strong 2nd half to the season.
Schuey took him off that night and admitted he was wrong in doing so. Mmaee didn't look happy at all and has seemed to sulk since. Just when we think we've got a decent striker on our hands............
Hopefully the managers stance gives him a kick up the arse and he can find that form again. I just hope the fans stay patient with him, if he isn't amazing the first game he comes back, don't get on his back. On that note, I hated hearing the reception for Campbell being subbed against Leicester. I know he was shite and has been all season but we all know there is a player in there that can help us and ironically cheering him off isn't going to help.
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