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Feb 9, 2024 6:54:40 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Feb 9, 2024 6:54:40 GMT
He's already worthless to us now, we won't get our money back. It would be good to see the club take a stand, sack him, terminate his contract, don't pay him anymore money. Which you can't do
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Post by headsgoup on Feb 9, 2024 7:00:10 GMT
Not a great situation, but hardly the manager's fault that he has to lay down the law.
Another failure from those above him, putting him in an awkward position.
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Post by thisisouryear on Feb 9, 2024 7:03:28 GMT
Props to Shuey, he is the boss, he’s been open, he’s made a decision. Having a backbone in the team starts with the manager and what he expects daily, he’s showing it. You just have to hope there isn't a culture at the club of this type of behaviour or it could take Schuey longer to sort out. He might even take us down and need to bring us back again before it's sorted but once it's sorted I'd imagine we will be a hell of a team to watch and the progression starts. I like Schuey, I like his attitude towards the game but he needs the fans right behind him whilst he sorts this club out top to bottom. I have full faith in Schuey, he's the man for the job, if he sticks to his guns it's just a matter of time before everything falls into place.
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Post by Ron on Feb 9, 2024 7:15:06 GMT
For this kind of drastic action to have taken place whatever he has done must have merited it.
My issue is, as many have said, the question marks over character that were obvious.
He, along with many others purchased in the summer, was never a championship player.
There was no thought about building a togetherness etc.
Martin/ Dublin need sacking over it. They don’t be though.
Sad times.
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Post by Northy on Feb 9, 2024 7:38:13 GMT
Props to Shuey, he is the boss, he’s been open, he’s made a decision. Having a backbone in the team starts with the manager and what he expects daily, he’s showing it. You just have to hope there isn't a culture at the club of this type of behaviour or it could take Schuey longer to sort out. He might even take us down and need to bring us back again before it's sorted but once it's sorted I'd imagine we will be a hell of a team to watch and the progression starts. I like Schuey, I like his attitude towards the game but he needs the fans right behind him whilst he sorts this club out top to bottom. I have full faith in Schuey, he's the man for the job, if he sticks to his guns it's just a matter of time before everything falls into place. Hopefully the culture went in the summer and there's just a couple of bad turds bobbing about, I can't see the likes of Junho, Burger, Junior, Gooch, Rose, Wilmot, Mcnally etc being like that
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Post by biglad180 on Feb 9, 2024 7:56:12 GMT
The manager is bang on what he as done with Mmaee,another player who is taking the piss out of the club and fans,,this as to stop,
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Feb 9, 2024 8:04:37 GMT
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Post by stokieinlondon on Feb 9, 2024 8:04:37 GMT
Mmaee began his professional career in 2015 with Standard Liège, making his debut at the age of 17. Disagreements with the club management saw him loaned out to Waasland-Beveren and Danish side AGF
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Post by bertiestan on Feb 9, 2024 8:06:11 GMT
Mmaee began his professional career in 2015 with Standard Liège, making his debut at the age of 17. Disagreements with the club management saw him loaned out to Waasland-Beveren and Danish side AGF Due diligence
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Feb 9, 2024 8:20:19 GMT
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Post by Gods on Feb 9, 2024 8:20:19 GMT
Mmaee began his professional career in 2015 with Standard Liège, making his debut at the age of 17. Disagreements with the club management saw him loaned out to Waasland-Beveren and Danish side AGF I thought somewhere in one of R.Martin's PowerPoint decks is some kind of graphic about recruiting employees made of the right stuff. 'Cultural Amabassadors' I think is the phrase he picked up on his course and he regularly parrots it.
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Feb 9, 2024 8:23:06 GMT
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Post by baconburger on Feb 9, 2024 8:23:06 GMT
So you know all about this and he wasn’t identified with caveats of the risks due to known attitude. We payed £1.75M up front for a goal scorer. Are you suggesting you can find them without risk factors for that sort of money? Yeah but a risk factor should be, he has a slight injury record or his passing game isn’t quite there. Not the lads an asshole and doesn’t turn up for training Seem to remember probably our best transfer in the last 15/20 years (Arnie) came as an undoubted talent but question marks over character. It’s a perfectly legitimate gamble. I don’t buy this DNA shit, buy footballers and manage them. Don’t squeal like a bitch when it doesn’t pan out because it goes wrong about as often as it goes right whether your obsessed with personality and character or technical ability.
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Feb 9, 2024 8:36:04 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2024 8:36:04 GMT
He's already worthless to us now, we won't get our money back. It would be good to see the club take a stand, sack him, terminate his contract, don't pay him anymore money. Which you can't do You can unilaterally terminate a contract if you consider there has been a breach of it's terms. Mmaee may of course argue that he didn't and that it was wrong of the club. There may be litigation, but I'd prefer that than have a player living the good life and taking the piss once again
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Feb 9, 2024 8:37:57 GMT
Post by RonnieStokie on Feb 9, 2024 8:37:57 GMT
Yeah but a risk factor should be, he has a slight injury record or his passing game isn’t quite there. Not the lads an asshole and doesn’t turn up for training Seem to remember probably our best transfer in the last 15/20 years (Arnie) came as an undoubted talent but question marks over character. It’s a perfectly legitimate gamble. I don’t buy this DNA shit, buy footballers and manage them. Don’t squeal like a bitch when it doesn’t pan out because it goes wrong about as often as it goes right whether your obsessed with personality and character or technical ability. True, but in Arnies case when he came to us he had got a young family and by his own admission he was far more grown up, and not on Balotelli levels of prick-ish-ness anymore.
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Post by brinsleymaclagan on Feb 9, 2024 8:38:13 GMT
Can I just remind everyone, WE ARE STOKE CITY! We’re not Real Madrid, we’re not Juventus, we’re not Bayern Munich, we’re not even the Shit! If we waited for the best players with a perfect temperament who would bust a gut in every match, we would end up without ANY players! We have to gamble sometimes to get players who are very talented,but whose temperament is questionable, it’s happened since the year dot! Every transfer is a gamble in some respect in that we don’t know whether a new player will fit in with the group and produce his best form! I remember some fans getting agitated about Arnie and Ric, and suggesting we should “get rid of them”. I for one hope we carry on taking gambles on talented players, because when they come off, they can bring joy and excitement! Plodders, not so much!
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Feb 9, 2024 8:49:15 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2024 8:49:15 GMT
Smacks of weak management to me. Banishing players to the kids rarely ends well, and it's the easy option. All it does is open the floodgates for any other player that wants an easy run to the summer. I listen to Warnock a lot and wonder how he got the most out of a complete loose cannon in Taraabt at QPR. A player who regularly walked out of or missed training whenever he felt like it. Good managers work with players, find ways of motivating them for the good of the team then get rid when the time is right for them, and the club. Mmaee is our best chance of goals between now and the end of the season. Absolutely no good to us in the stiffs. I'd love to know if this kind of behaviour went on under Neil or is it a recent change? Massive difference in the quality of the player mate when comparing the way Warnock treated Taraabt to the way Schumacher is dealing with Mmaee.One was a fantastic talent who could produce the magic to get the points required(just like Fuller) whereas the other is a player that has shown very few glimpses of talent and who’s not fit to lace either of those players boots. Sometimes you have to put a marker down and I believe Schumacher has done that in this instance and it’s just a pity that previous manager’s didn’t do the same with some of the wankers we’ve had in last 7/8 seasons I think people are missing the point somewhat. I wasn't comparing the talent levels of the two players - more that an old skooler like Warnock managed to get the most out of a really spiky character in Taraabt - more than any manager has in his career by managing him properly. Talent and potential is only useful if it's managed and coached properly. If Warnock had have lobbed him onto the bonfire then QPR wouldn't have reaped the benefit. He took the hard road of trusting him, coaching him and managing him knowing that it could have backfired and that he could have derailed his squad at any moment. Talent levels in that situation are irrespective. If Mmaee is a problem child then he has to be managed for the good of the team, rinsed dry of anything and everything he has to offer in the short term and moved on in the summer if the club so wish. Literally lobbing him in the reserves is a double negative - you get nothing out of him in the short term and you are depreciating your asset massively - all while hoping that it sets down a marker to the rest of the squad. That's before you throw into the mix that the only other alternatives we have are a Tyrese Campbell with two eyes on a summer bosman, a player unproven at this level in Niall Ennis albeit one that knows the manager and his system (...and one that looks unfit and very rusty) and a greenhorn in Nathan Lowe. Given how they rolled over and had their tummies tickled against Leicester then i'm not sure it had the desired effect in the short term - longer term we'll find out starting tomorrow. I think the old skool term is cutting your nose off to spite your face. If we get the balance of the team right we don't need to score that many goals between now and the end of the season to scrape through until the summer - a player like Mmaee could give us that output if he's managed properly. I doubt what we have left will but i'm hopeful i'm wrong on that one. If the team was free scoring and was higher up the table I would back the manager unconditionally. The team isn't and we aren't.
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Feb 9, 2024 8:49:30 GMT
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Post by roylandstoke on Feb 9, 2024 8:49:30 GMT
Yeah but a risk factor should be, he has a slight injury record or his passing game isn’t quite there. Not the lads an asshole and doesn’t turn up for training Seem to remember probably our best transfer in the last 15/20 years (Arnie) came as an undoubted talent but question marks over character. It’s a perfectly legitimate gamble. I don’t buy this DNA shit, buy footballers and manage them. Don’t squeal like a bitch when it doesn’t pan out because it goes wrong about as often as it goes right whether your obsessed with personality and character or technical ability. Not sure you there’s an equivalency between Arnautovic and Maee. Arnie was a £2M gamble for a wealthy Premier League club. He’d played at the highest level of German football for 3 or 4 years. Mmaee was £1.5M gamble for a club that has been crippled by FFP. He’s played for poor teams in. Belgium and in the mighty Danish, Hungarian and Cypriot leagues.
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Post by roylandstoke on Feb 9, 2024 8:56:33 GMT
Massive difference in the quality of the player mate when comparing the way Warnock treated Taraabt to the way Schumacher is dealing with Mmaee.One was a fantastic talent who could produce the magic to get the points required(just like Fuller) whereas the other is a player that has shown very few glimpses of talent and who’s not fit to lace either of those players boots. Sometimes you have to put a marker down and I believe Schumacher has done that in this instance and it’s just a pity that previous manager’s didn’t do the same with some of the wankers we’ve had in last 7/8 seasons I think people are missing the point somewhat. I wasn't comparing the talent levels of the two players - more that an old skooler like Warnock managed to get the most out of a really spiky character in Taraabt - more than any manager has in his career by managing him properly. Talent and potential is only useful if it's managed and coached properly. If Warnock had have lobbed him onto the bonfire then QPR wouldn't have reaped the benefit. He took the hard road of trusting him, coaching him and managing him knowing that it could have backfired and that he could have derailed his squad at any moment. Talent levels in that situation are irrespective. If Mmaee is a problem child then he has to be managed for the good of the team, rinsed dry of anything and everything he has to offer in the short term and moved on in the summer if the club so wish. Literally lobbing him in the reserves is a double negative - you get nothing out of him in the short term and you are depreciating your asset massively - all while hoping that it sets down a marker to the rest of the squad. That's before you throw into the mix that the only other alternatives we have are a Tyrese Campbell with two eyes on a summer bosman, a player unproven at this level in Niall Ennis albeit one that knows the manager and his system (...and one that looks unfit and very rusty) and a greenhorn in Nathan Lowe. Given how they rolled over and had their tummies tickled against Leicester then i'm not sure it had the desired effect in the short term - longer term we'll find out starting tomorrow. I think the old skool term is cutting your nose off to spite your face. If we get the balance of the team right we don't need to score that many goals between now and the end of the season to scrape through until the summer - a player like Mmaee could give us that output if he's managed properly. I doubt what we have left will but i'm hopeful i'm wrong on that one. If the team was free scoring and was higher up the table I would back the manager unconditionally. The team isn't and we aren't. Maybe the reason the team isn’t free scoring and higher up the table is players who refuse to follow the manager’s rules. Ryan Mmaee has scored 3 goals whilst being played as our main striker, one more than our current left back.
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Post by werrington on Feb 9, 2024 8:57:12 GMT
Massive difference in the quality of the player mate when comparing the way Warnock treated Taraabt to the way Schumacher is dealing with Mmaee.One was a fantastic talent who could produce the magic to get the points required(just like Fuller) whereas the other is a player that has shown very few glimpses of talent and who’s not fit to lace either of those players boots. Sometimes you have to put a marker down and I believe Schumacher has done that in this instance and it’s just a pity that previous manager’s didn’t do the same with some of the wankers we’ve had in last 7/8 seasons I think people are missing the point somewhat. I wasn't comparing the talent levels of the two players - more that an old skooler like Warnock managed to get the most out of a really spiky character in Taraabt - more than any manager has in his career by managing him properly. Talent and potential is only useful if it's managed and coached properly. If Warnock had have lobbed him onto the bonfire then QPR wouldn't have reaped the benefit. He took the hard road of trusting him, coaching him and managing him knowing that it could have backfired and that he could have derailed his squad at any moment. Talent levels in that situation are irrespective. If Mmaee is a problem child then he has to be managed for the good of the team, rinsed dry of anything and everything he has to offer in the short term and moved on in the summer if the club so wish. Literally lobbing him in the reserves is a double negative - you get nothing out of him in the short term and you are depreciating your asset massively - all while hoping that it sets down a marker to the rest of the squad. That's before you throw into the mix that the only other alternatives we have are a Tyrese Campbell with two eyes on a summer bosman, a player unproven at this level in Niall Ennis albeit one that knows the manager and his system (...and one that looks unfit and very rusty) and a greenhorn in Nathan Lowe. Given how they rolled over and had their tummies tickled against Leicester then i'm not sure it had the desired effect in the short term - longer term we'll find out starting tomorrow. I think the old skool term is cutting your nose off to spite your face. If we get the balance of the team right we don't need to score that many goals between now and the end of the season to scrape through until the summer - a player like Mmaee could give us that output if he's managed properly. I doubt what we have left will but i'm hopeful i'm wrong on that one. If the team was free scoring and was higher up the table I would back the manager unconditionally. The team isn't and we aren't. Perhaps just maybe perhaps the club have tried that arm round the shoulder routine and perhaps he’s just kept throwing it back in their faces …..that’s more likely the case in reality and it’s obviously came to a head and something needed to be done In reality we are only getting a small snippet of what’s really gone on with him
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Feb 9, 2024 9:12:14 GMT
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Post by baconburger on Feb 9, 2024 9:12:14 GMT
Seem to remember probably our best transfer in the last 15/20 years (Arnie) came as an undoubted talent but question marks over character. It’s a perfectly legitimate gamble. I don’t buy this DNA shit, buy footballers and manage them. Don’t squeal like a bitch when it doesn’t pan out because it goes wrong about as often as it goes right whether your obsessed with personality and character or technical ability. Not sure you there’s an equivalency between Arnautovic and Maee. Arnie was a £2M gamble for a wealthy Premier League club. He’d played at the highest level of German football for 3 or 4 years. Mmaee was £1.5M gamble for a club that has been crippled by FFP. He’s played for poor teams in. Belgium and in the mighty Danish, Hungarian and Cypriot leagues. Ellis Simms, Tom Cannon, Ross Stewart. £1.5M (€2M actually) was a pretty cheap gamble on a striker at Summer market price for goal scorers. Passage of time makes the Arnie fee pretty irrelevant. The standard is also irrelevant in the same way, how much would a regular goal scorer in the German league have cost in the Summer. Goal scorers are very expensive we took a cheap gamble on one that has blown up in our faces it’s always going to be a possibility. This focus on DNA/character has only arisen because he’s been pretty shit. If he was a right shithead who was banging them in every week nobody including Schu would be batting an eyelid they’d just keep fining him. Moral of the story, if you’re going to be a shithead best you make damn sure you’re worth the hassle and Ryan Mmaee just isn’t. Should it put us off signing any players in future with questionable attitudes? Not for me, every deal is a risk vs reward gamble. I’d rather watch shit people who are really good at football than a bunch of good eggs who are a bit wank.
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Post by Squeekster on Feb 9, 2024 9:16:20 GMT
All clubs should come together and have a section in the contract about misconduct just like everyone has to abide to in their working life, if every club did it then it wouldn't determine weather they sign for them or another.
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Feb 9, 2024 9:24:31 GMT
Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2024 9:24:31 GMT
I think people are missing the point somewhat. I wasn't comparing the talent levels of the two players - more that an old skooler like Warnock managed to get the most out of a really spiky character in Taraabt - more than any manager has in his career by managing him properly. Talent and potential is only useful if it's managed and coached properly. If Warnock had have lobbed him onto the bonfire then QPR wouldn't have reaped the benefit. He took the hard road of trusting him, coaching him and managing him knowing that it could have backfired and that he could have derailed his squad at any moment. Talent levels in that situation are irrespective. If Mmaee is a problem child then he has to be managed for the good of the team, rinsed dry of anything and everything he has to offer in the short term and moved on in the summer if the club so wish. Literally lobbing him in the reserves is a double negative - you get nothing out of him in the short term and you are depreciating your asset massively - all while hoping that it sets down a marker to the rest of the squad. That's before you throw into the mix that the only other alternatives we have are a Tyrese Campbell with two eyes on a summer bosman, a player unproven at this level in Niall Ennis albeit one that knows the manager and his system (...and one that looks unfit and very rusty) and a greenhorn in Nathan Lowe. Given how they rolled over and had their tummies tickled against Leicester then i'm not sure it had the desired effect in the short term - longer term we'll find out starting tomorrow. I think the old skool term is cutting your nose off to spite your face. If we get the balance of the team right we don't need to score that many goals between now and the end of the season to scrape through until the summer - a player like Mmaee could give us that output if he's managed properly. I doubt what we have left will but i'm hopeful i'm wrong on that one. If the team was free scoring and was higher up the table I would back the manager unconditionally. The team isn't and we aren't. Maybe the reason the team isn’t free scoring and higher up the table is players who refuse to follow the manager’s rules. Ryan Mmaee has scored 3 goals whilst being played as our main striker, one more than our current left back. Yeah, and he's scored just one less than ALL of our remaining striker options have all season. Campbell - 2 in 13 Ennis - 1 in 12 (11 games for Blackburn) Lowe - 1 in 11 Would you bet any money on those players scoring more than 3 between them between now and the end of the season?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2024 9:27:56 GMT
I think people are missing the point somewhat. I wasn't comparing the talent levels of the two players - more that an old skooler like Warnock managed to get the most out of a really spiky character in Taraabt - more than any manager has in his career by managing him properly. Talent and potential is only useful if it's managed and coached properly. If Warnock had have lobbed him onto the bonfire then QPR wouldn't have reaped the benefit. He took the hard road of trusting him, coaching him and managing him knowing that it could have backfired and that he could have derailed his squad at any moment. Talent levels in that situation are irrespective. If Mmaee is a problem child then he has to be managed for the good of the team, rinsed dry of anything and everything he has to offer in the short term and moved on in the summer if the club so wish. Literally lobbing him in the reserves is a double negative - you get nothing out of him in the short term and you are depreciating your asset massively - all while hoping that it sets down a marker to the rest of the squad. That's before you throw into the mix that the only other alternatives we have are a Tyrese Campbell with two eyes on a summer bosman, a player unproven at this level in Niall Ennis albeit one that knows the manager and his system (...and one that looks unfit and very rusty) and a greenhorn in Nathan Lowe. Given how they rolled over and had their tummies tickled against Leicester then i'm not sure it had the desired effect in the short term - longer term we'll find out starting tomorrow. I think the old skool term is cutting your nose off to spite your face. If we get the balance of the team right we don't need to score that many goals between now and the end of the season to scrape through until the summer - a player like Mmaee could give us that output if he's managed properly. I doubt what we have left will but i'm hopeful i'm wrong on that one. If the team was free scoring and was higher up the table I would back the manager unconditionally. The team isn't and we aren't. Perhaps just maybe perhaps the club have tried that arm round the shoulder routine and perhaps he’s just kept throwing it back in their faces …..that’s more likely the case in reality and it’s obviously came to a head and something needed to be done In reality we are only getting a small snippet of what’s really gone on with him Maybe, maybe not. I'd like to think that has gone on for the managers sake and not that he's come waltzing through the door, lobbed a few non negotiables on the table and has reared up at the first sign of trouble from a player or two having been used to a squad in the lower leagues saying yes sir, no sir, three bags full sir. I think your last line says it all - but that cuts both ways.
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Feb 9, 2024 9:31:59 GMT
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Post by baconburger on Feb 9, 2024 9:31:59 GMT
Maybe the reason the team isn’t free scoring and higher up the table is players who refuse to follow the manager’s rules. Ryan Mmaee has scored 3 goals whilst being played as our main striker, one more than our current left back. Yeah, and he's scored just one less than ALL of our remaining striker options have all season. Campbell - 2 in 13 Ennis - 1 in 12 (11 games for Blackburn) Lowe - 1 in 11 Would you bet any money on those players scoring more than 3 between them between now and the end of the season? Ennis played 300 minutes for Blackburn which is far closer to 3 games than 11.
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Feb 9, 2024 9:34:06 GMT
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Post by roylandstoke on Feb 9, 2024 9:34:06 GMT
Not sure you there’s an equivalency between Arnautovic and Maee. Arnie was a £2M gamble for a wealthy Premier League club. He’d played at the highest level of German football for 3 or 4 years. Mmaee was £1.5M gamble for a club that has been crippled by FFP. He’s played for poor teams in. Belgium and in the mighty Danish, Hungarian and Cypriot leagues. Ellis Simms, Tom Cannon, Ross Stewart. £1.5M (€2M actually) was a pretty cheap gamble on a striker at Summer market price for goal scorers. Passage of time makes the Arnie fee pretty irrelevant. The standard is also irrelevant in the same way, how much would a regular goal scorer in the German league have cost in the Summer. Goal scorers are very expensive we took a cheap gamble on one that has blown up in our faces it’s always going to be a possibility. The fee was a significant one in our current circumstances. He is 26. He is not really a development player. We should expect a “senior pro” and regular first choice player for the investment we have made. He seems to be neither. Arnie was a young 24 and almost certain to be sold for at least half what we paid even if he failed at Stoke. I don’t see anyone paying a fee for Ryan Maee anytime soon. Elijah Adebayo was a gamble when Luton took him from League 2 to the Championship. Ryan Maee was a major signing for a club in our position. He would have been a relatively risk free gamble for us 5 years ago.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 9, 2024 9:36:49 GMT
Massive difference in the quality of the player mate when comparing the way Warnock treated Taraabt to the way Schumacher is dealing with Mmaee.One was a fantastic talent who could produce the magic to get the points required(just like Fuller) whereas the other is a player that has shown very few glimpses of talent and who’s not fit to lace either of those players boots. Sometimes you have to put a marker down and I believe Schumacher has done that in this instance and it’s just a pity that previous manager’s didn’t do the same with some of the wankers we’ve had in last 7/8 seasons I think people are missing the point somewhat. I wasn't comparing the talent levels of the two players - more that an old skooler like Warnock managed to get the most out of a really spiky character in Taraabt - more than any manager has in his career by managing him properly. Talent and potential is only useful if it's managed and coached properly. If Warnock had have lobbed him onto the bonfire then QPR wouldn't have reaped the benefit. He took the hard road of trusting him, coaching him and managing him knowing that it could have backfired and that he could have derailed his squad at any moment. Talent levels in that situation are irrespective. If Mmaee is a problem child then he has to be managed for the good of the team, rinsed dry of anything and everything he has to offer in the short term and moved on in the summer if the club so wish. Literally lobbing him in the reserves is a double negative - you get nothing out of him in the short term and you are depreciating your asset massively - all while hoping that it sets down a marker to the rest of the squad. That's before you throw into the mix that the only other alternatives we have are a Tyrese Campbell with two eyes on a summer bosman, a player unproven at this level in Niall Ennis albeit one that knows the manager and his system (...and one that looks unfit and very rusty) and a greenhorn in Nathan Lowe. Given how they rolled over and had their tummies tickled against Leicester then i'm not sure it had the desired effect in the short term - longer term we'll find out starting tomorrow. I think the old skool term is cutting your nose off to spite your face. If we get the balance of the team right we don't need to score that many goals between now and the end of the season to scrape through until the summer - a player like Mmaee could give us that output if he's managed properly. I doubt what we have left will but i'm hopeful i'm wrong on that one. If the team was free scoring and was higher up the table I would back the manager unconditionally. The team isn't and we aren't. I’m not missing the point at all mate in regards to Mmaee,it is my understanding this has been going on for while now,attitude,generally messing about,not taking training seriously and even not turning up on a couple of occasions.I’m pretty sure 99% of managers would do what Schumacher has done in this situation,how it will end up who knows but as I said before in every level of work you’d have the same outcome if you acted like he’s done
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Feb 9, 2024 9:37:26 GMT
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Post by roylandstoke on Feb 9, 2024 9:37:26 GMT
Maybe the reason the team isn’t free scoring and higher up the table is players who refuse to follow the manager’s rules. Ryan Mmaee has scored 3 goals whilst being played as our main striker, one more than our current left back. Yeah, and he's scored just one less than ALL of our remaining striker options have all season. Campbell - 2 in 13 Ennis - 1 in 12 (11 games for Blackburn) Lowe - 1 in 11 Would you bet any money on those players scoring more than 3 between them between now and the end of the season? And 2 less than Vidigal. Would you bet on him reaching 5 by May?
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Feb 9, 2024 9:38:06 GMT
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Post by gogogadget on Feb 9, 2024 9:38:06 GMT
I think it’s a very good move on SS behalf. To come out publicly as a manager to highlight his lack of standards and professionalism. Yet also leave the door open for him to prove himself, and attempt to earn his place back. If that doesn’t register in his brain that he will be regarded as a problem for the merest of his career, unless he proves himself, then he deserves to go to the Turkish 3rd tier
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Feb 9, 2024 9:38:34 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2024 9:38:34 GMT
Yeah, and he's scored just one less than ALL of our remaining striker options have all season. Campbell - 2 in 13 Ennis - 1 in 12 (11 games for Blackburn) Lowe - 1 in 11 Would you bet any money on those players scoring more than 3 between them between now and the end of the season? And 2 less than Vidigal. Would you bet on him reaching 5 by May? Easily.
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Mmaee
Feb 9, 2024 9:40:15 GMT
Post by Eggybread on Feb 9, 2024 9:40:15 GMT
Seem to remember probably our best transfer in the last 15/20 years (Arnie) came as an undoubted talent but question marks over character. It’s a perfectly legitimate gamble. I don’t buy this DNA shit, buy footballers and manage them. Don’t squeal like a bitch when it doesn’t pan out because it goes wrong about as often as it goes right whether your obsessed with personality and character or technical ability. Not sure you there’s an equivalency between Arnautovic and Maee. Arnie was a £2M gamble for a wealthy Premier League club. He’d played at the highest level of German football for 3 or 4 years. Mmaee was £1.5M gamble for a club that has been crippled by FFP. He’s played for poor teams in. Belgium and in the mighty Danish, Hungarian and Cypriot leagues. The Belgium league is good and the Danish and Hungarian leagues arent too shabby mate.He also did play for Standard Liege and Ferencváros who also are decent sides with long European pedigrees. He has just been disppointing because I expected a lot more from him. I do think he still has something about him,he would also benefit if the palyers around him were more consistent and chipped in with the occassional goal too.He cannot soley be blamed for our complete lack of goals.
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Mmaee
Feb 9, 2024 9:40:43 GMT
Post by moon on Feb 9, 2024 9:40:43 GMT
Massive difference in the quality of the player mate when comparing the way Warnock treated Taraabt to the way Schumacher is dealing with Mmaee.One was a fantastic talent who could produce the magic to get the points required(just like Fuller) whereas the other is a player that has shown very few glimpses of talent and who’s not fit to lace either of those players boots. Sometimes you have to put a marker down and I believe Schumacher has done that in this instance and it’s just a pity that previous manager’s didn’t do the same with some of the wankers we’ve had in last 7/8 seasons I think people are missing the point somewhat. I wasn't comparing the talent levels of the two players - more that an old skooler like Warnock managed to get the most out of a really spiky character in Taraabt - more than any manager has in his career by managing him properly. Talent and potential is only useful if it's managed and coached properly. If Warnock had have lobbed him onto the bonfire then QPR wouldn't have reaped the benefit. He took the hard road of trusting him, coaching him and managing him knowing that it could have backfired and that he could have derailed his squad at any moment. Talent levels in that situation are irrespective. If Mmaee is a problem child then he has to be managed for the good of the team, rinsed dry of anything and everything he has to offer in the short term and moved on in the summer if the club so wish. Literally lobbing him in the reserves is a double negative - you get nothing out of him in the short term and you are depreciating your asset massively - all while hoping that it sets down a marker to the rest of the squad. That's before you throw into the mix that the only other alternatives we have are a Tyrese Campbell with two eyes on a summer bosman, a player unproven at this level in Niall Ennis albeit one that knows the manager and his system (...and one that looks unfit and very rusty) and a greenhorn in Nathan Lowe. Given how they rolled over and had their tummies tickled against Leicester then i'm not sure it had the desired effect in the short term - longer term we'll find out starting tomorrow. I think the old skool term is cutting your nose off to spite your face. If we get the balance of the team right we don't need to score that many goals between now and the end of the season to scrape through until the summer - a player like Mmaee could give us that output if he's managed properly. I doubt what we have left will but i'm hopeful i'm wrong on that one. If the team was free scoring and was higher up the table I would back the manager unconditionally. The team isn't and we aren't.
It's one of the things that Pulis excelled at too, I remember the stories about Taggart skiving off training to go on the lash in NI for a few days with some bullshit excuse, but knowing he needed him, Pulis put him in the team and he was the best player on the pitch. There are similar stories with Fuller too, not necessarily on the lash, but claiming he had an international friendly when he didn't, and taking additional days in Jamaica, he was benched as a result of that but came on to make the difference. There were quite a few cases like this in his time at Stoke from what I remember from him talking on undr the cosh.
Schumacher is well within his rights to lay down the law and respect to him for that, it's great that he demands high standards and I'm glad he has come out and said that in no uncertain terms - it sends a clear message. It is still a balancing act though, and until he's had time to put a squad together of players suitable for his management style then in some cases he'll need to adapt. Maybe Mmaee is not worth the trouble, that's for Schumacher to decide. We need to be picking up results though, if we do that then no questions will be asked of the manager. But if we end up going down then the manager and the players will be to blame, and the chances are he won't get the opportunity to build the squad that behave and play like he wants them to.
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Post by werrington on Feb 9, 2024 9:53:05 GMT
I seriously have no idea what some of you want on here
We’ve had thread after thread, post after post lambasting the players at this football club day after day and week after week and now the club has taken one of them on the same posters are now coming out backing the player (s)
Jesus fuckin wept
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