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Mmaee
Feb 8, 2024 17:43:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2024 17:43:47 GMT
It will come to a head on Monday. If he's still here after the Turkish transfer it's not in the players interest to cause further issues and hopefully they will kiss and make up, if he continues too then he's just an idiot............. Has anyone ever come back from the dreaded relegation of training with the kids?
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Mmaee
Feb 8, 2024 18:06:33 GMT
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Post by stokiejoe on Feb 8, 2024 18:06:33 GMT
Well done Shuey, I hope Mmaee wages alter to reflect his status as he has chosen yo breach his contract in all probability. I disagree that there should be no way back for players who do this, if they put in the effort then they should be given a chance but only one chance. The whole point of discipline of this nature is 1 to deter others, 2 to punish and 3 rehabilitate. If there is no way back it would be best to deal with it as a breach of contract and instant dismissal without compensation.
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Mmaee
Feb 8, 2024 18:08:22 GMT
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Post by premieraj on Feb 8, 2024 18:08:22 GMT
Well done Shuey, I hope Mmaee wages alter to reflect his status as he has chosen yo breach his contract in all probability. I disagree that there should be no way back for players who do this, if they put in the effort then they should be given a chance but only one chance. The whole point of discipline of this nature is 1 to deter others, 2 to punish and 3 rehabilitate. If there is no way back it would be best to deal with it as a breach of contract and instant dismissal without compensation. I wonder how many players have had instant dismissal for gross misconduct? I can’t think of many?
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Post by gingerninja on Feb 8, 2024 18:08:44 GMT
Trouble is we will have to take a pretty big hit on him transfer fee wise😳
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Feb 8, 2024 18:13:12 GMT
It will come to a head on Monday. If he's still here after the Turkish transfer it's not in the players interest to cause further issues and hopefully they will kiss and make up, if he continues too then he's just an idiot............. Has anyone ever come back from the dreaded relegation of training with the kids? Bizarre disciplinary action really. If he's a bad example to the seniors he's hardly likely to be a role model for the 'kids'.
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Mmaee
Feb 8, 2024 18:14:44 GMT
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Post by glpotter on Feb 8, 2024 18:14:44 GMT
Dublin out
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Mmaee
Feb 8, 2024 18:19:38 GMT
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Feb 8, 2024 18:19:38 GMT
Hmm it all smells like a team heading for relegation- sorry What do you want him to do then, let him do what he wants He’s done the right thing. This goes back to our wonderful recruitment team. It’s biting us in the arse now
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Post by Trouserdog on Feb 8, 2024 18:22:08 GMT
Chiquinho sent back from his loan and Mmaee training with the U21s - both signed in the summer. Makes you wonder what background checks and due diligence our recruitment team do…! What background checks do you expect them to do? It’s not like being a moody little so-and-so is going to come up on a police database. A simple Google search threw up a few issues. I doubt the recruitment team even bothered to do that.
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Post by stokiedan17 on Feb 8, 2024 18:28:55 GMT
What background checks do you expect them to do? It’s not like being a moody little so-and-so is going to come up on a police database. A simple Google search threw up a few issues. I doubt the recruitment team even bothered to do that. Don’t think the fans did either ? Can’t remember seeing anything about him being this bad of an apple when he was rumoured in the summer. Then again I could well have missed it in the number of pages on the transfer thread
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Feb 8, 2024 18:46:24 GMT
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Feb 8, 2024 18:46:24 GMT
What background checks do you expect them to do? It’s not like being a moody little so-and-so is going to come up on a police database. A simple Google search threw up a few issues. I doubt the recruitment team even bothered to do that. Think they were just desperate to get bodies in so we could have enough to form a squad they didn't bother about boring old things like DNA or even ability in some cases.
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Post by iglugluk on Feb 8, 2024 18:48:24 GMT
Well if he's incapable, Christ knows what the rest of them are! Campbell has been shit Wesley a disaster Gayle the disaster's disaster Vidigal's brother must have played the first few games Leris is good at headers Haksabanovic must have played about 500 minutes in total Manhoef and Ennis need to set the world on fire if we're to have any chance of staying up. Mmaee might have completely overstepped and it is what it is, but it's the last thing you want to do when you're as low scoring and as in the brown stuff as we are. I agree, it very much depends on what has happened as to whether this is an action that makes sense. I made the exact same point earlier, even if it was somewhat more long winded
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Post by robrigo on Feb 8, 2024 18:57:39 GMT
To me it seems pretty simple. For far too long has this club tolerated underachievement, idleness and lack of bottle in some of its playing staff. If we truly want to succeed and turn the ship around the club can’t accommodate bad eggs. The head coach is in charge and the players need to get on board. Those that don’t, don’t have a place here. It’s up to the player now to sort out his head, knuckle down and get on the train. Time will tell on that one.
Now Schuey got it wrong on Saturday, he’ll get it wrong again. However he seems strong, he tells it how it is and is a mere few games into sorting the crap we’ve endured these last few years. I hope he keeps us up and we go from strength to strength under his stewardship. He feels like the right fit to me. Good on him.
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Feb 8, 2024 19:06:20 GMT
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Post by stokiejoe on Feb 8, 2024 19:06:20 GMT
Well done Shuey, I hope Mmaee wages alter to reflect his status as he has chosen yo breach his contract in all probability. I disagree that there should be no way back for players who do this, if they put in the effort then they should be given a chance but only one chance. The whole point of discipline of this nature is 1 to deter others, 2 to punish and 3 rehabilitate. If there is no way back it would be best to deal with it as a breach of contract and instant dismissal without compensation. I wonder how many players have had instant dismissal for gross misconduct? I can’t think of many? me niether, probably because you would lose a transfer fee but depends upon the offset cost of wages.
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Feb 8, 2024 19:14:19 GMT
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Post by nonameface on Feb 8, 2024 19:14:19 GMT
Chiquinho sent back from his loan and Mmaee training with the U21s - both signed in the summer. Makes you wonder what background checks and due diligence our recruitment team do…! Wonder who within the recruitment team is responsible for doing these type of checks and how much weighting they put on it. Mmaee looks technically very capable and with this happening it's obvious why he's not "made it" and so has been in poorer leagues. Wonder how well we knew of it and whether we felt we could extract better value.
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Post by DansViews on Feb 8, 2024 19:42:49 GMT
Props to Shuey, he is the boss, he’s been open, he’s made a decision.
Having a backbone in the team starts with the manager and what he expects daily, he’s showing it.
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Feb 8, 2024 20:07:58 GMT
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Post by baconburger on Feb 8, 2024 20:07:58 GMT
Whoever identified him should take their share of the blame . So you know all about this and he wasn’t identified with caveats of the risks due to known attitude. We payed £1.75M up front for a goal scorer. Are you suggesting you can find them without risk factors for that sort of money?
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Feb 8, 2024 20:10:43 GMT
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Post by chamberlain on Feb 8, 2024 20:10:43 GMT
Whoever identified him should take their share of the blame . So you know all about this and he wasn’t identified with caveats of the risks due to known attitude. We payed £1.75M up front for a goal scorer. Are you suggesting you can find them without risk factors for that sort of money? The world is a big place and alot of clubs seem to manage it.Theres always a risk but we seem to be a magnet for them.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Feb 8, 2024 20:13:44 GMT
Well done Shuey, I hope Mmaee wages alter to reflect his status as he has chosen yo breach his contract in all probability. I disagree that there should be no way back for players who do this, if they put in the effort then they should be given a chance but only one chance. The whole point of discipline of this nature is 1 to deter others, 2 to punish and 3 rehabilitate. If there is no way back it would be best to deal with it as a breach of contract and instant dismissal without compensation. I wonder how many players have had instant dismissal for gross misconduct? I can’t think of many? It just doesn't happen in football. We'd have to come to a settlement agreement on his contract and we'd lose a fee. He'll sit on his arse until summer then go out on a subsidised loan all Peter Etebo / Badou / Berahino style.
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Mmaee
Feb 8, 2024 20:16:50 GMT
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Post by baconburger on Feb 8, 2024 20:16:50 GMT
Well done Shuey, I hope Mmaee wages alter to reflect his status as he has chosen yo breach his contract in all probability. I disagree that there should be no way back for players who do this, if they put in the effort then they should be given a chance but only one chance. The whole point of discipline of this nature is 1 to deter others, 2 to punish and 3 rehabilitate. If there is no way back it would be best to deal with it as a breach of contract and instant dismissal without compensation. I wonder how many players have had instant dismissal for gross misconduct? I can’t think of many? Mutu (sp) Chelsea, drugs.
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Mmaee
Feb 8, 2024 20:19:14 GMT
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Post by premieraj on Feb 8, 2024 20:19:14 GMT
I wonder how many players have had instant dismissal for gross misconduct? I can’t think of many? Mutu (sp) Chelsea, drugs. Yep you virtually need a prison sentence?
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Feb 8, 2024 20:20:23 GMT
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Post by baconburger on Feb 8, 2024 20:20:23 GMT
So you know all about this and he wasn’t identified with caveats of the risks due to known attitude. We payed £1.75M up front for a goal scorer. Are you suggesting you can find them without risk factors for that sort of money? The world is a big place and alot of clubs seem to manage it.Theres always a risk but we seem to be a magnet for them. Yeah other clubs have problems too. You win some you lose some even when you’re paying top dollar never mind rummaging amongst the dented tins.
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Feb 8, 2024 20:25:24 GMT
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Post by chamberlain on Feb 8, 2024 20:25:24 GMT
The world is a big place and alot of clubs seem to manage it.Theres always a risk but we seem to be a magnet for them. Yeah other clubs have problems too. You win some you lose some even when you’re paying top dollar never mind rummaging amongst the dented tins. I know that but you minimise the risk by due diligence, we at times don't have a very good success rate.
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Post by generationex on Feb 8, 2024 20:40:09 GMT
If the most important aspect of your business is the ability and mentality of your stock then ensure it’s good quality.
It’s like a food shop buying rotten fruit or a tech firm buying software that doesn’t work.
It’s the basis of what a football club does.
There will always be a few duffs but since 2014 it must be 80%.
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Feb 8, 2024 21:23:03 GMT
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Feb 8, 2024 21:23:03 GMT
Well done Shuey, I hope Mmaee wages alter to reflect his status as he has chosen yo breach his contract in all probability. I disagree that there should be no way back for players who do this, if they put in the effort then they should be given a chance but only one chance. The whole point of discipline of this nature is 1 to deter others, 2 to punish and 3 rehabilitate. If there is no way back it would be best to deal with it as a breach of contract and instant dismissal without compensation. I wonder how many players have had instant dismissal for gross misconduct? I can’t think of many? The Chelsea lad for a drugs offence?
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Feb 8, 2024 21:30:45 GMT
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Post by sticky on Feb 8, 2024 21:30:45 GMT
If he’s a “bad egg” who the hells going want to pay actual money for him? No one. He’ll be loaned out no doubt
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Feb 8, 2024 21:40:56 GMT
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Post by emretezzy on Feb 8, 2024 21:40:56 GMT
Chiquinho sent back from his loan and Mmaee training with the U21s - both signed in the summer. Makes you wonder what background checks and due diligence our recruitment team do…! Wonder who within the recruitment team is responsible for doing these type of checks and how much weighting they put on it. Mmaee looks technically very capable and with this happening it's obvious why he's not "made it" and so has been in poorer leagues. Wonder how well we knew of it and whether we felt we could extract better value. 5 pillars and all that
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Post by Marc01 on Feb 8, 2024 21:54:06 GMT
I remember Mark Stein’s debut for Stoke after signing on a month’s loan. Night match in September 1991 v Hartlepool. He didn’t score but he was like a live wire, showing more effort and determination (for a comparative pittance of a wage) than I’ve witnessed from Ryan Mmaee all this season. In fact, Stein didn’t score in any of the five games that he was on loan. “After two seasons with Oxford Stein found himself out of the side and playing in the reserves. He joined Stoke City on loan in September 1991 and played five matches without scoring. But he impressed manager Lou Macari with his contribution so much that he persuaded the board to pay £100,000 for his services.” en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Stein_(footballer)It wasn’t just Lou he impressed. Three games went by after he returned to Oxford. Stoke fans were delighted when it was announced that he had signed permanently, just before the away win at Bury on Bonfire Night. Stein didn’t play that night and Tony Ellis scored twice. It wasn’t long before Ellis was out of the picture and handing in a transfer request as Stein played 47 games, scoring 22 goals that season. I remember Lou on the radio saying that he thrown an Ellis transfer request in the bin in front of him. Such comments would probably cause a meltdown amongst some fans these days! Stoke players have everything good served to them on a plate and for 6 or 7 years it’s probably been too easy for them once they sign here. There are no excuses for lack of effort. It would certainly be “weak management” if Schumacher came here with a set of values made clear to all but then let some / everyone do as they pleased and ignore such values. I can well imagine Mmaee getting fired up if Stoke couldn’t be bothered to make the effort to pay his “wages” for no good reason. For many good reasons, it would be nice of him to put in the necessary effort to get himself fired up when we do pay him… i.e. every single week!
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Feb 9, 2024 5:25:03 GMT
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Post by glpotter on Feb 9, 2024 5:25:03 GMT
Whoever identified him should take their share of the blame . So you know all about this and he wasn’t identified with caveats of the risks due to known attitude. We payed £1.75M up front for a goal scorer. Are you suggesting you can find them without risk factors for that sort of money? Yeah but a risk factor should be, he has a slight injury record or his passing game isn’t quite there. Not the lads an asshole and doesn’t turn up for training
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Feb 9, 2024 5:59:33 GMT
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Post by biddulphchav on Feb 9, 2024 5:59:33 GMT
So you know all about this and he wasn’t identified with caveats of the risks due to known attitude. We payed £1.75M up front for a goal scorer. Are you suggesting you can find them without risk factors for that sort of money? Yeah but a risk factor should be, he has a slight injury record or his passing game isn’t quite there. Not the lads an asshole and doesn’t turn up for training It would be if it was a recurring theme, but I agree with you. Not sure why people are having a go with their 20:20 hindsight. This sounds like SS has very high standards when it comes to training (one of his non-negotiables’), and perhaps Mmaee doesn’t cut it. He wouldn’t be the first player in the world who isn’t a great trainer but brings his A-game, trouble is Mmaee doesn’t do the latter. We don’t really know how bad it was / is, but standards start with the manager and the other players should be putting pressure on Mmaee to pull his socks up at training too.
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Feb 9, 2024 6:40:14 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2024 6:40:14 GMT
He's already worthless to us now, we won't get our money back.
It would be good to see the club take a stand, sack him, terminate his contract, don't pay him anymore money.
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