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Feb 8, 2024 15:49:42 GMT
Post by spoton on Feb 8, 2024 15:49:42 GMT
Firstly he's got no chance of coming back,and please don't think all fans think the same as you regarding he deserves his place back,,,the sooner this player leaves Stoke the better for everyone,I will not forget that he has let down this club not suggesting they do but surely if he works his way back through the door and shows application and the right attitude surely we can get behind him again Simple answer NO
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Post by dirtygary69 on Feb 8, 2024 15:51:32 GMT
He is damn if he does, damned if he doesn't to be honest. Some posters just can't wait to wade in and bash the manager. Yes he got it wrong last week, but that game apart, we matched every team, but been way too wasteful in front of goal. I enjoy the football under SS, more than I have for quite a while, get a few results and see where we are come the end of the season, now lets all remain positive with 3 very important games ahead. It might be the case that he's stuck between a rock and a hard place with it, but we're firmly up shit creek, don't score goals and now have a capable striker on the naughty step. It's just not going to help, is it? I don't know what lines Mmaee has or hasn't crossed, but if he has got a chance of getting back into the squad, just let that happen sooner rather than later. What happens if Ennis and or Campbell get injured? I don't know what the answers are and this might be the only course of action Schumacher could take.
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Post by spoton on Feb 8, 2024 15:54:59 GMT
He is damn if he does, damned if he doesn't to be honest. Some posters just can't wait to wade in and bash the manager. Yes he got it wrong last week, but that game apart, we matched every team, but been way too wasteful in front of goal. I enjoy the football under SS, more than I have for quite a while, get a few results and see where we are come the end of the season, now lets all remain positive with 3 very important games ahead. It might be the case that he's stuck between a rock and a hard place with it, but we're firmly up shit creek, don't score goals and now have a capable striker on the naughty step. It's just not going to help, is it? I don't know what lines Mmaee has or hasn't crossed, but if he has got a chance of getting back into the squad, just let that happen sooner rather than later. What happens if Ennis and or Campbell get injured? I don't know what the answers are and this might be the only course of action Schumacher could take. "Capable" honestly 😂
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 8, 2024 15:55:06 GMT
pretty strong stuff, im glad a manager is finally calling them out on this, if he works hard and gets back into the team we as fans know he has earnt his way back and truly deserves his place and we can get behind him, although means we are stuck with another Saido Campbell masterclass this weekend Firstly he's got no chance of coming back,and please don't think all fans think the same as you regarding he deserves his place back,,,the sooner this player leaves Stoke the better for everyone,I will not forget that he has let down this club There have probably been more than you realise who have let down the club. They are young men who are not submissive by nature and have been raised to be self confident, assertive and aggressive or they wouldn't be successful athletes. There should be a way back for everyone who commits to changing especially when they are expensive assets. As Shumacher says the ball is in Ryan's court and he knows where he stands. We will find out over the coming weeks how 'happy' he is at Stoke.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 8, 2024 15:59:34 GMT
Could you expand on that then mate? Not to answer for them, but think it's fairly straightforward. It doesn't indicate a harmonious dressing room, does it, which is exactly what we need at a time like this? On the one hand I want to say "well done" to Schumacher for not putting up with the shit, but on the other, it just feels like a mess. I really hope we've got enough to see us through, but we've replaced Mmaee with Ennis. He might fit the manager's ethos more and if it works, then brilliant, but I just think it's a huge gamble. Sorry mate I can't agree. One Swallow does not a summer make. As my granny used to say. I fail to see how one player being disciplined for lateness and not training properly is indicative of a fractured dressing room. Especially when you bear in mind he appears to have form for this. And if you believe the rumours it appears it was the players (or some of them at least) who have reared up against him taking the piss and brought this to a head. So as far as I can see it indicates a very harmonious and 'together' dressing room and one that very definitely wants to work hard for the manager and the cause, bar one idle twat. There is absolutely no evidence that anyone else is involved or else you'd have thought they would be on the naughty step along with Mmaee. I would suggest that it is good management and would be much more likely lead to dressing room unrest and therefore potential for relegation had he let it go and put up with Mmaee's shenanigans. And the final sentence of the managers quote appears to me to throw a bit of an olive branch to Mmaee should he wish to take it.
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Post by werrington on Feb 8, 2024 16:00:54 GMT
Smacks of weak management to me. Banishing players to the kids rarely ends well, and it's the easy option. All it does is open the floodgates for any other player that wants an easy run to the summer. I listen to Warnock a lot and wonder how he got the most out of a complete loose cannon in Taraabt at QPR. A player who regularly walked out of or missed training whenever he felt like it. Good managers work with players, find ways of motivating them for the good of the team then get rid when the time is right for them, and the club. Mmaee is our best chance of goals between now and the end of the season. Absolutely no good to us in the stiffs. I'd love to know if this kind of behaviour went on under Neil or is it a recent change? So if this story hadn’t surfaced and we get relegated only for it to surface then you’d have been going ballistic that the manager and club had accepted it and took the stance you are championing?…..yeah righto you’d be apoplectic He can’t win can he
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 8, 2024 16:01:10 GMT
Smacks of weak management to me. Banishing players to the kids rarely ends well, and it's the easy option. All it does is open the floodgates for any other player that wants an easy run to the summer. I listen to Warnock a lot and wonder how he got the most out of a complete loose cannon in Taraabt at QPR. A player who regularly walked out of or missed training whenever he felt like it. Good managers work with players, find ways of motivating them for the good of the team then get rid when the time is right for them, and the club. Mmaee is our best chance of goals between now and the end of the season. Absolutely no good to us in the stiffs. I'd love to know if this kind of behaviour went on under Neil or is it a recent change? Massive difference in the quality of the player mate when comparing the way Warnock treated Taraabt to the way Schumacher is dealing with Mmaee.One was a fantastic talent who could produce the magic to get the points required(just like Fuller) whereas the other is a player that has shown very few glimpses of talent and who’s not fit to lace either of those players boots. Sometimes you have to put a marker down and I believe Schumacher has done that in this instance and it’s just a pity that previous manager’s didn’t do the same with some of the wankers we’ve had in last 7/8 seasons
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Post by spoton on Feb 8, 2024 16:01:15 GMT
Firstly he's got no chance of coming back,and please don't think all fans think the same as you regarding he deserves his place back,,,the sooner this player leaves Stoke the better for everyone,I will not forget that he has let down this club There have probably been more than you realise who have let down the club. They are young men who are not submissive by nature and have been raised to be self confident, assertive and aggressive or they wouldn't be successful athletes. There should be a way back for everyone who commits to changing especially when they are expensive assets. As Shumacher says the ball is in Ryan's court and he knows where he stands. We will find out over the coming weeks how 'happy' he is at Stoke. Christ what's the world coming to, I know I'm getting old and my have old standards but,,, These highly paid players are Professionals they know the rules,yes everyone makes a mistake and can be late but not when its happening regularly,,if a other professional like Doctors, Dentists were constantly late their contract would be terminated, he's lucky he's still being paid and not sacked
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Feb 8, 2024 16:01:17 GMT
Post by dirtygary69 on Feb 8, 2024 16:01:17 GMT
It might be the case that he's stuck between a rock and a hard place with it, but we're firmly up shit creek, don't score goals and now have a capable striker on the naughty step. It's just not going to help, is it? I don't know what lines Mmaee has or hasn't crossed, but if he has got a chance of getting back into the squad, just let that happen sooner rather than later. What happens if Ennis and or Campbell get injured? I don't know what the answers are and this might be the only course of action Schumacher could take. "Capable" honestly 😂 Well if he's incapable, Christ knows what the rest of them are! Campbell has been shit Wesley a disaster Gayle the disaster's disaster Vidigal's brother must have played the first few games Leris is good at headers Haksabanovic must have played about 500 minutes in total Manhoef and Ennis need to set the world on fire if we're to have any chance of staying up. Mmaee might have completely overstepped and it is what it is, but it's the last thing you want to do when you're as low scoring and as in the brown stuff as we are.
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Post by spiderpuss on Feb 8, 2024 16:02:20 GMT
Smacks of weak management to me. Banishing players to the kids rarely ends well, and it's the easy option. All it does is open the floodgates for any other player that wants an easy run to the summer. I listen to Warnock a lot and wonder how he got the most out of a complete loose cannon in Taraabt at QPR. A player who regularly walked out of or missed training whenever he felt like it. Good managers work with players, find ways of motivating them for the good of the team then get rid when the time is right for them, and the club. Mmaee is our best chance of goals between now and the end of the season. Absolutely no good to us in the stiffs. I'd love to know if this kind of behaviour went on under Neil or is it a recent change? 3 goals in 20 games, if that represents our 'best chance' we're fucked. Thompson has got 2, so this Obi Mmaee Kenobi 'only hope' is nonsense. Campbell and Hoef will have to fill in.
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Mmaee
Feb 8, 2024 16:07:06 GMT
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Post by dirtygary69 on Feb 8, 2024 16:07:06 GMT
Not to answer for them, but think it's fairly straightforward. It doesn't indicate a harmonious dressing room, does it, which is exactly what we need at a time like this? On the one hand I want to say "well done" to Schumacher for not putting up with the shit, but on the other, it just feels like a mess. I really hope we've got enough to see us through, but we've replaced Mmaee with Ennis. He might fit the manager's ethos more and if it works, then brilliant, but I just think it's a huge gamble. Sorry mate I can't agree. One Swallow does not a summer make. As my granny used to say. I fail to see how one player being disciplined for lateness and not training properly is indicative of a fractured dressing room. Especially when you bear in mind he appears to have form for this. And if you believe the rumours it appears it was the players (or some of them at least) who have reared up against him taking the piss and brought this to a head. So as far as I can see it indicates a very harmonious and 'together' dressing room and one that very definitely wants to work hard for the manager and the cause, bar one idle twat. There is absolutely no evidence that anyone else is involved or else you'd have thought they would be on the naughty step along with Mmaee. I would suggest that it is good management and would be much more likely lead to dressing room unrest and therefore potential for relegation had he let it go and put up with Mmaee's shenanigans. And the final sentence of the managers quote appears to me to throw a bit of an olive branch to Mmaee should he wish to take it. I would like to agree, but the Leicester game just looked like a broken place to me. IF we can get back to pre-Sunderland tactics and performances, I think we'll be fine, but people seem to be missing the fact that Mmaee actually played a big part in some of these games where we looked better. Anyone who has replaced him since has looked woeful. Even when he came on against Sunderland we improved. If it was just him taking the piss, and the rest of the players are fully on board then fantastic. I just did not get that vibe from last Saturday's game. After all this, we'll probably twat Blackburn and QPR 3-0 in both games and wonder why we gave a shite about Ryan Mmaee getting binned off!
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Post by silsdenstokie on Feb 8, 2024 16:07:23 GMT
Smacks of weak management to me. Banishing players to the kids rarely ends well, and it's the easy option. All it does is open the floodgates for any other player that wants an easy run to the summer. I listen to Warnock a lot and wonder how he got the most out of a complete loose cannon in Taraabt at QPR. A player who regularly walked out of or missed training whenever he felt like it. Good managers work with players, find ways of motivating them for the good of the team then get rid when the time is right for them, and the club. Mmaee is our best chance of goals between now and the end of the season. Absolutely no good to us in the stiffs. I'd love to know if this kind of behaviour went on under Neil or is it a recent change? Massive difference in the quality of the player mate when comparing the way Warnock treated Taraabt to the way Schumacher is dealing with Mmaee.One was a fantastic talent who could produce the magic to get the points required(just like Fuller) whereas the other is a player that has shown very few glimpses of talent and who’s not fit to lace either of those players boots. Sometimes you have to put a marker down and I believe Schumacher has done that in this instance and it’s just a pity that previous manager’s didn’t do the same with some of the wankers we’ve had in last 7/8 seasons Yeah Id agree ia lot of its to do with the quality of the player and what he brings to the team Classic example being Ferguson with Cantona
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Feb 8, 2024 16:11:31 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2024 16:11:31 GMT
Smacks of weak management to me. Banishing players to the kids rarely ends well, and it's the easy option. All it does is open the floodgates for any other player that wants an easy run to the summer. I listen to Warnock a lot and wonder how he got the most out of a complete loose cannon in Taraabt at QPR. A player who regularly walked out of or missed training whenever he felt like it. Good managers work with players, find ways of motivating them for the good of the team then get rid when the time is right for them, and the club. Mmaee is our best chance of goals between now and the end of the season. Absolutely no good to us in the stiffs. I'd love to know if this kind of behaviour went on under Neil or is it a recent change? So if this story hadn’t surfaced and we get relegated only for it to surface then you’d have been going ballistic that the manager and club had accepted it and took the stance you are championing?…..yeah righto you’d be apoplectic He can’t win can he Football management has changed. Very rarely do disciplinarians work in modern football and certainly at this level and above. It's easy doing it at League One level with players naturally desperate enough to do well and players cheap enough and on small enough contracts to replace at the drop of a hat if they don't buy in to your methods. Paul Lambert famously did this at Villa with the likes of Stephen Ireland and Darren Bent. Two players that had decent careers elsewhere before and after. If we go down I'll be apoplectic yes, but my ire will be aimed squarely at the owners. Schumacher comes across as a good egg overall but he's young, inexperienced and has made mistakes already. He's just the latest victim.
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Post by TheMmaeestro on Feb 8, 2024 16:14:00 GMT
Chiquinho sent back from his loan and Mmaee training with the U21s - both signed in the summer. Makes you wonder what background checks and due diligence our recruitment team do…!
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 8, 2024 16:15:59 GMT
Sorry mate I can't agree. One Swallow does not a summer make. As my granny used to say. I fail to see how one player being disciplined for lateness and not training properly is indicative of a fractured dressing room. Especially when you bear in mind he appears to have form for this. And if you believe the rumours it appears it was the players (or some of them at least) who have reared up against him taking the piss and brought this to a head. So as far as I can see it indicates a very harmonious and 'together' dressing room and one that very definitely wants to work hard for the manager and the cause, bar one idle twat. There is absolutely no evidence that anyone else is involved or else you'd have thought they would be on the naughty step along with Mmaee. I would suggest that it is good management and would be much more likely lead to dressing room unrest and therefore potential for relegation had he let it go and put up with Mmaee's shenanigans. And the final sentence of the managers quote appears to me to throw a bit of an olive branch to Mmaee should he wish to take it. I would like to agree, but the Leicester game just looked like a broken place to me. IF we can get back to pre-Sunderland tactics and performances, I think we'll be fine, but people seem to be missing the fact that Mmaee actually played a big part in some of these games where we looked better. Anyone who has replaced him since has looked woeful. Even when he came on against Sunderland we improved. If it was just him taking the piss, and the rest of the players are fully on board then fantastic. I just did not get that vibe from last Saturday's game. After all this, we'll probably twat Blackburn and QPR 3-0 in both games and wonder why we gave a shite about Ryan Mmaee getting binned off! I think the Leicester game was an outlier mate. The manager shat himself and tried his full on Alex Neil impression against a top class team and it failed badly. Up until then even the Sunderland game we hadn't been playing badly, just not scoring goals. If we'd gone at Leicester like the managers instinct is to do, we may have got beaten but it wouldn't have looked so abject. The players simply looked like they hadn't got a clue what they were supposed to be doing on Saturday and that, I think, stems from the way we set up. There was no lack of effort we were just rank bad. I suppose we'll see on Saturday. I hope your prediction is right.
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Feb 8, 2024 16:22:20 GMT
Fair play to Schuey.
Not as if we'll miss Mmaee and his huge tally of 3 goals.
Buckle up or fuck off Mmaee
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Feb 8, 2024 16:25:20 GMT
Post by LGH87 on Feb 8, 2024 16:25:20 GMT
So if this story hadn’t surfaced and we get relegated only for it to surface then you’d have been going ballistic that the manager and club had accepted it and took the stance you are championing?…..yeah righto you’d be apoplectic He can’t win can he Football management has changed. Very rarely do disciplinarians work in modern football and certainly at this level and above. It's easy doing it at League One level with players naturally desperate enough to do well and players cheap enough and on small enough contracts to replace at the drop of a hat if they don't buy in to your methods. Paul Lambert famously did this at Villa with the likes of Stephen Ireland and Darren Bent. Two players that had decent careers elsewhere before and after. If we go down I'll be apoplectic yes, but my ire will be aimed squarely at the owners. Schumacher comes across as a good egg overall but he's young, inexperienced and has made mistakes already. He's just the latest victim. Could Rowett/Jones = Neil/Schumacher? Is history repeating itself?
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Post by clarkeda on Feb 8, 2024 16:41:46 GMT
Nice to see the manager clear up the matter. I am not convinced he's the only one, wouldn't surprise me if Baker has not been doing it in training, hence his demotion to the bench.. He was singing Bakers praises not long ago He was signing Mmaees praises not long ago too.
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Feb 8, 2024 16:44:47 GMT
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Post by staffordstokiemad1 on Feb 8, 2024 16:44:47 GMT
You know what, fair play to the Manager for calling Mmaee out and sending him to train with the youth team. How many times including our relegation season have we all witnessed players clearly not giving it their all on the pitch and heard stories of them not being arsed in training yet they have still played. Good on the manager for calling him out and dropping him. Switch on and give everything or pis# off to turkey or some other sub standard league.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Feb 8, 2024 16:50:42 GMT
SS has gone up in my estimation.
I think he’ll come good if given time.
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 8, 2024 16:59:35 GMT
Smacks of weak management to me. Banishing players to the kids rarely ends well, and it's the easy option. All it does is open the floodgates for any other player that wants an easy run to the summer. I listen to Warnock a lot and wonder how he got the most out of a complete loose cannon in Taraabt at QPR. A player who regularly walked out of or missed training whenever he felt like it. Good managers work with players, find ways of motivating them for the good of the team then get rid when the time is right for them, and the club. Mmaee is our best chance of goals between now and the end of the season. Absolutely no good to us in the stiffs. I'd love to know if this kind of behaviour went on under Neil or is it a recent change? I've read your posts on this topic and I really struggle to understand why Ryan Mmaee is the Hill that you want to die on. You've mentioned Taraabt, but Warnock dropping him from QPR's side in 2011 and then trying to sell him sounds awfully familiar. The flip side of this is that we've recently had Imbula and Berahino behaving in a particular way completely unchecked, which has only been to the detriment of the club. I would argue that we saw far weaker management in how those two players were handled and that the consequences of that were far greater than the consequences of bombing out a player who I feel has not shown much sign of making an impact at this level. Taraabt got what, 15 goals and 15 assists in one season? Fuller was a one man attack who scored 15 goals when we went up. On current showing, I don't see Mmaee reaching those heights. Ultimately, it's bigger than one player and if losing Mmaee means that other players buy more into Schumacher's vision then it's a net win for the club. As for Bent and Ireland, their careers pretty much ended after Villa? Bent pootled around in the Second Division and I've no idea what Ireland did after a few years of occasionally playing for us.
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Feb 8, 2024 17:03:15 GMT
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Post by george2again on Feb 8, 2024 17:03:15 GMT
Fair play to Schuey. Not as if we'll miss Mmaee and his huge tally of 3 goals. Buckle up or fuck off Mmaee If he’s training with U 21’s he’s found his level at last.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 8, 2024 17:12:13 GMT
Fair play to Schuey. Not as if we'll miss Mmaee and his huge tally of 3 goals. Buckle up or fuck off Mmaee If he’s training with U 21’s he’s found his level at last. Maybe he should play in the under 16s,they don't tackle as hard.
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Post by iglugluk on Feb 8, 2024 17:13:52 GMT
Difficult to say if the adherence to the idea of 'non-negotiables' is wise or not. It all depends on what they are basically. If it's something as simple as time keeping and messing around a bit too much around the training then I'd say I completely disagree with a hardline approach and think it's one dimensional bordering on destructive. If its, let's say, not allowing back chat, undermining other players and overall team morale or worse then he's totally correct. The devil is in the detail and we still don't know the details. A decent heads-up leaked via a trustworthy source would provide more info. Until then who knows whether there's too much stick and not enough carrot or whether there's a necessary line that required drawing? Edit One thing I do know, however, is that we desperately need a good display against Blackburn.. a display that shows the players chosen are good enough and are buying into the message and want to play for him. It's imperative!
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Feb 8, 2024 17:17:12 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2024 17:17:12 GMT
Well if he's incapable, Christ knows what the rest of them are! Campbell has been shit Wesley a disaster Gayle the disaster's disaster Vidigal's brother must have played the first few games Leris is good at headers Haksabanovic must have played about 500 minutes in total Manhoef and Ennis need to set the world on fire if we're to have any chance of staying up. Mmaee might have completely overstepped and it is what it is, but it's the last thing you want to do when you're as low scoring and as in the brown stuff as we are. To be honest, I’d be fine using the long diagonal ball trick to Leris’ head if Ennis was a willing runner and Junior got close enough to benefit. I can’t see Vidigal offering much until he stops his war victim auditions. Gooch will run at players but I’m not sure if his crosses are that good (or if we get enough in the box anyways). Leris seems like a more obvious choice if we do stick with 433 (assuming Ennis and Manhoef are the other two).
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Post by thisisouryear on Feb 8, 2024 17:36:07 GMT
After hearing what Schumacher has had to say on this issue with Mmaee I think I like him even more now. There has to be a standard, if you have a professional attitude you will reap the rewards of it. We will soon find out if Mmaee is with us or against us.
The players have to realise the manager and the training staff only want what's best for them. It's no less than what each player should expect of themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2024 17:37:12 GMT
Chiquinho sent back from his loan and Mmaee training with the U21s - both signed in the summer. Makes you wonder what background checks and due diligence our recruitment team do…! What background checks do you expect them to do? It’s not like being a moody little so-and-so is going to come up on a police database.
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Feb 8, 2024 17:39:10 GMT
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Post by march4 on Feb 8, 2024 17:39:10 GMT
Chiquinho sent back from his loan and Mmaee training with the U21s - both signed in the summer. Makes you wonder what background checks and due diligence our recruitment team do…! The recruitment team should have gone months ago.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 8, 2024 17:41:18 GMT
It will come to a head on Monday.
If he's still here after the Turkish transfer it's not in the players interest to cause further issues and hopefully they will kiss and make up, if he continues too then he's just an idiot.............
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