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Post by robrigo on Feb 4, 2024 17:59:38 GMT
The recruitment at this club is so sub standard for an outfit befitting our size. It’s going to be our downfall as we plummet to league one. I sadly think we are gone. All of the signs are there for relegation.
It’s such a shame that our fall from grace has been allowed to happen. Sorry but I blame the board entirely for such repetitive incompetence.
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Post by werrington on Feb 4, 2024 18:01:17 GMT
You can highlight his attitude problems all you want. The two worst performances of the season - the past two games - he hasn't started. Funnily enough his striker replacement, Tyrese Campbell, got cheered off the pitch when he was substituted. The biggest celebration of the match from Stoke fans was him being taken off. Ryan Mmaee isn't the problem at hand is he? But from all of this, Schumacher has created a problem that could well be detrimental for the season. Our best striker (whether you rate him highly or not) has been axed when A) we're struggling to score and B) we're in a relegation battle. Awful management. And these snippets from previous clubs are in no way a defence of how the situation has been handled imho. He’s been axed because he’s talking the piss in training etc It was obviously him the manager and Burger were referring to after the Sunderland defeat The manager has created no problem at all….Mmaee has done that and he’s 100% the problem in hand
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 4, 2024 18:02:06 GMT
A piece of information that I think is relevant to this comes from one of those 'meet the player' nights back when Neil was in charge. I think it came the week after the Sunderland and Leeds home wins, so the mood was generally pretty positive. They did one of those daft games where a person in the audience asks a question and the three players (Pearson, Hoever and Tezgel) have to write another players' name on the whiteboard. The question was 'who gets the most fines?' and all three players answered 'Mmaee' in a flash, because he's always late for training. I tried not to think too much of it; Fuller was no model employee but his ability on the pitch cut him a little slack. I really, really wanted Mmaee to be cut from the same cloth. At the time, the jury was still out on Mmaee. I've felt a bit uneasy about so many posters really tying themselves to Mmaee since then. I suppose my point is that this is not a sudden thing that has only started since Schumacher arrived. After Schumacher arrived, we drew 0-0 at home with Millwall and he went way over the top with praise for Mmaee: “Absolutely. But again, you’ve got to get people in the right positions. The eights have got to score more goals, they’ve got to get forward and get into dangerous areas. I thought Ryan Mmaee, by the way, was brilliant. I know he didn't score but his all-round game today was excellent.
“He led the line for 90 minutes on his own. I think he gave the ball away once, maybe twice in the whole game, and he was a threat all the time and just the shots that he had unfortunately were blocked. If he keeps putting himself in those positions, he'll score the goals that were going to need.”Then you have the Sunderland game. Denis Smith was on the radio going bonkers at our strikers, saying at one point that you have to keep turning up and doing drills to improve your finishing, no matter how boring it gets. I think Denis knows plenty about what goes on at the club, so it wasn't a coincidence that after the game you had Schumacher say the following: "I've just said it's not good enough that we don't hit the target enough. The only way we can get better is by working on the training ground and taking it seriously because I think earlier on in the season, creating opportunities at this club was difficult. Since we've been here, that's changed. We've created a lot of good chances, got into good areas.
"Strikers have got to expect that they are going to get those chances, and midfield players too, and we have to make it count. So we have to concentrate every single day when we do it in training, when we work on things. We have to take it seriously because if you don't, when you come into the stadiums when the pressure is on, you're not going to get it right either."My guess would be that we're seeing a progression of management approaches from trying to bring him into the fold with praise and seeing if it affects his behaviour to calling it out publically. If that doesn't work, why wouldn't you move him on? He's not exactly backed it up with performances on the pitch. O'Neill came in and did the same with N'Diaye and Etebo beacuse they didn't buy into his vision and were more interested in their next move. I also get the impression that Schumacher values more pace in his centre forwards. On reflection, I would like to expand on this post a little more. I don't like posting tittle tattle and that particular anecdote about the meet the players evening is something that I've not really wanted to post at all. The things we write on here can and do make a difference to people at the club who, for all their footballint faults, are still human beings trying to earn a wage. It helps nobody to go making inferences from bits and pieces here and there without knowing all sides of the story, and can actually be incredibly destructive. What prompted me to write the above was seeing a number of posters whose views I genuinely respect being totally in thrall to Mmaee to the point that they've pilloried the manager over his 'treatment' for weeks. One even wrote yesterday that Schumacher could and should be sacked for what he has done to Mmaee! I'm sorry, but that is grossly unfair and, in my view, unjust. As per my above point about this board impacting real lives, Schumacher is a young manager who has given up a lot to be here. True, he's being well recompensed, but he uprooted a young family and left a functional club where he was adored. We know for a fact that his family use this board. It's simply not right that he should be accused of losing the dressing room because he has identified and attempted to remove a problem player after weeks of trying to bring him into the fold. What on Earth has Ryan Mmaee, of all people, done to become a martyr for people to rally around against the manager? Why go out to bat for a player who was acting up long before Schumacher arrived and who has shown only the briefest of glimpses of being a competent footballer at this level? Berahino did as much. So, too, did Bangoura and Imbula. All three arguably did more in a Stoke shirt than Mmaee to date. This isn't even on the same planet as, say, Rowett excluding Bojan. That's without getting into the fact that under our new structure, Schumacher is effectively the assistant to the real manager, Ricky Martin. His responsibilities are limited to putting the cones out at training, picking the first team and dealing with morale and atmosphere. His job is to implement Martin's vision of an aggressive pressing team that was announced in the summer and he's well within his rights to move on players who don't perform on the pitch and don't buy into the way he wishes to go about it. I'm sorry, but this has really bothered me for a while now.
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Post by citynickscfc on Feb 4, 2024 18:02:21 GMT
The recruitment at this club is so sub standard for an outfit befitting our size. It’s going to be our downfall as we plummet to league one. I sadly think we are gone. All of the signs are there for relegation. It’s such a shame that our fall from grace has been allowed to happen. Sorry but I blame the board entirely for such repetitive incompetence. The phrase "jobs for the boys" is an en endemic problem. I can't believe Alex Niel got to choose the DOF, who chose the lead recruitment specialist, then got himself fired for being shit. With that process what do you expect?
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Post by anchorman on Feb 4, 2024 18:04:40 GMT
Maybe Pulis was on to something when he talked about the right DNA. He absolutely was. You don't tend to mind so much if they're mavericks if they're doing the business on the pitch, like Fuller or Arnautovic did. But give me a Dean Whitehead or a Richard Cresswell any day of the week over some of the mardarses we've had since. TP was special guest at a lunch with a Q & A session with Nigel Johnson. NJ - “What do you look for in a player?” TO - “Three things, Character, Character and Character”
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 4, 2024 18:04:52 GMT
You can highlight his attitude problems all you want. The two worst performances of the season - the past two games - he hasn't started. Funnily enough his striker replacement, Tyrese Campbell, got cheered off the pitch when he was substituted. The biggest celebration of the match from Stoke fans was him being taken off. Ryan Mmaee isn't the problem at hand is he? But from all of this, Schumacher has created a problem that could well be detrimental for the season. Our best striker (whether you rate him highly or not) has been axed when A) we're struggling to score and B) we're in a relegation battle. Awful management. And these snippets from previous clubs are in no way a defence of how the situation has been handled imho. This. Unfortunately having principals can put you in a real mess if your players are idiots. I like SS and think he’s the right man for the job but I do think sometimes experience and age can count for a lot with these type of situations. It’s not that dissimilar from Rashford and despite being dealt with for his conduct he played yesterday and scored. It’s a very difficult balance where sometimes for the greater good you have to swallow some pride at least till the summer.
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Post by Wizbit on Feb 4, 2024 18:13:51 GMT
A piece of information that I think is relevant to this comes from one of those 'meet the player' nights back when Neil was in charge. I think it came the week after the Sunderland and Leeds home wins, so the mood was generally pretty positive. They did one of those daft games where a person in the audience asks a question and the three players (Pearson, Hoever and Tezgel) have to write another players' name on the whiteboard. The question was 'who gets the most fines?' and all three players answered 'Mmaee' in a flash, because he's always late for training. I tried not to think too much of it; Fuller was no model employee but his ability on the pitch cut him a little slack. I really, really wanted Mmaee to be cut from the same cloth. At the time, the jury was still out on Mmaee. I've felt a bit uneasy about so many posters really tying themselves to Mmaee since then. I suppose my point is that this is not a sudden thing that has only started since Schumacher arrived. After Schumacher arrived, we drew 0-0 at home with Millwall and he went way over the top with praise for Mmaee: “Absolutely. But again, you’ve got to get people in the right positions. The eights have got to score more goals, they’ve got to get forward and get into dangerous areas. I thought Ryan Mmaee, by the way, was brilliant. I know he didn't score but his all-round game today was excellent.
“He led the line for 90 minutes on his own. I think he gave the ball away once, maybe twice in the whole game, and he was a threat all the time and just the shots that he had unfortunately were blocked. If he keeps putting himself in those positions, he'll score the goals that were going to need.”Then you have the Sunderland game. Denis Smith was on the radio going bonkers at our strikers, saying at one point that you have to keep turning up and doing drills to improve your finishing, no matter how boring it gets. I think Denis knows plenty about what goes on at the club, so it wasn't a coincidence that after the game you had Schumacher say the following: "I've just said it's not good enough that we don't hit the target enough. The only way we can get better is by working on the training ground and taking it seriously because I think earlier on in the season, creating opportunities at this club was difficult. Since we've been here, that's changed. We've created a lot of good chances, got into good areas.
"Strikers have got to expect that they are going to get those chances, and midfield players too, and we have to make it count. So we have to concentrate every single day when we do it in training, when we work on things. We have to take it seriously because if you don't, when you come into the stadiums when the pressure is on, you're not going to get it right either."My guess would be that we're seeing a progression of management approaches from trying to bring him into the fold with praise and seeing if it affects his behaviour to calling it out publically. If that doesn't work, why wouldn't you move him on? He's not exactly backed it up with performances on the pitch. O'Neill came in and did the same with N'Diaye and Etebo beacuse they didn't buy into his vision and were more interested in their next move. I also get the impression that Schumacher values more pace in his centre forwards. On reflection, I would like to expand on this post a little more. I don't like posting tittle tattle and that particular anecdote about the meet the players evening is something that I've not really wanted to post at all. The things we write on here can and do make a difference to people at the club who, for all their footballint faults, are still human beings trying to earn a wage. It helps nobody to go making inferences from bits and pieces here and there without knowing all sides of the story, and can actually be incredibly destructive. What prompted me to write the above was seeing a number of posters whose views I genuinely respect being totally in thrall to Mmaee to the point that they've pilloried the manager over his 'treatment' for weeks. One even wrote yesterday that Schumacher could and should be sacked for what he has done to Mmaee! I'm sorry, but that is grossly unfair and, in my view, unjust. As per my above point about this board impacting real lives, Schumacher is a young manager who has given up a lot to be here. True, he's being well recompensed, but he uprooted a young family and left a functional club where he was adored. We know for a fact that his family use this board. It's simply not right that he should be accused of losing the dressing room because he has identified and attempted to remove a problem player after weeks of trying to bring him into the fold. What on Earth has Ryan Mmaee, of all people, done to become a martyr for people to rally around against the manager? Why go out to bat for a player who was acting up long before Schumacher arrived and who has shown only the briefest of glimpses of being a competent footballer at this level? Berahino did as much. So, too, did Bangoura and Imbula. All three arguably did more in a Stoke shirt than Mmaee to date. This isn't even on the same planet as, say, Rowett excluding Bojan. That's without getting into the fact that under our new structure, Schumacher is effectively the assistant to the real manager, Ricky Martin. His responsibilities are limited to putting the cones out at training, picking the first team and dealing with morale and atmosphere. His job is to implement Martin's vision of an aggressive pressing team that was announced in the summer and he's well within his rights to move on players who don't perform on the pitch and don't buy into the way he wishes to go about it. I'm sorry, but this has really bothered me for a while now. A considered post I get everyone is pissed at yesterday but I do belive Schumacher will get it right... Weather that is with most of the current players is up for discussion... Players have to take alot of the responsibility they run they tackle they commit.. Or not as the case for alot of them
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Post by datguy on Feb 4, 2024 18:14:19 GMT
You can highlight his attitude problems all you want. The two worst performances of the season - the past two games - he hasn't started. Funnily enough his striker replacement, Tyrese Campbell, got cheered off the pitch when he was substituted. The biggest celebration of the match from Stoke fans was him being taken off. Ryan Mmaee isn't the problem at hand is he? But from all of this, Schumacher has created a problem that could well be detrimental for the season. Our best striker (whether you rate him highly or not) has been axed when A) we're struggling to score and B) we're in a relegation battle. Awful management. And these snippets from previous clubs are in no way a defence of how the situation has been handled imho. This unfortunately having principals can put you in a real mess if your players are idiots. I like SS and think he’s the right man for the job but I do think sometimes experience and age can count for a lot with these type of situations. It’s not that dissimilar from Rashford and despite being dealt with for his conduct he played yesterday and scored. It’s a very difficult balance where sometimes for the greater good you have to swallow some pride at least till the summer. For me, it's pretty much this indeed. I just don't think we're in a position to axe a striker that does have ability. And he certainly does have ability. Hughes was incredibly successful at controlling and managing players with attitude problems. One of them chased us £20m profit. Obviously Mmaee is nowhere - nowhere - near Arnautovic in terms of ability. But people seem to be forgetting that pretty much every tweet, or journalists' scout report, on here in summer was that we were signing a player with quality. Bollock him. Put him on the bench for a few weeks or whatever. Axing, offering him out to the doldrums, seems excessive and far too reactionary for my liking. Especially in the predicament we're in.
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Post by werrington on Feb 4, 2024 18:18:47 GMT
This unfortunately having principals can put you in a real mess if your players are idiots. I like SS and think he’s the right man for the job but I do think sometimes experience and age can count for a lot with these type of situations. It’s not that dissimilar from Rashford and despite being dealt with for his conduct he played yesterday and scored. It’s a very difficult balance where sometimes for the greater good you have to swallow some pride at least till the summer. For me, it's pretty much this indeed. I just don't think we're in a position to axe a striker that does have ability. And he certainly does have ability. Hughes was incredibly successful at controlling and managing players with attitude problems. One of them chased us £20m profit. Obviously Mmaee is nowhere - nowhere - near Arnautovic in terms of ability. But people seem to be forgetting that pretty much every tweet, or journalists' scout report, on here in summer was that we were signing a player with quality. Bollock him. Put him on the bench for a few weeks or whatever. Axing, offering him out to the doldrums, seems excessive and far too reactionary for my liking. Especially in the predicament we're in. You have to have discipline mate otherwise if someone is taking the piss and getting away with it it then causes unrest amongst the group He’s taking the piss out of the manager, the club and most of all us the supporters The manager has got this spot on
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Post by nonameface on Feb 4, 2024 18:19:03 GMT
A piece of information that I think is relevant to this comes from one of those 'meet the player' nights back when Neil was in charge. I think it came the week after the Sunderland and Leeds home wins, so the mood was generally pretty positive. They did one of those daft games where a person in the audience asks a question and the three players (Pearson, Hoever and Tezgel) have to write another players' name on the whiteboard. The question was 'who gets the most fines?' and all three players answered 'Mmaee' in a flash, because he's always late for training. I tried not to think too much of it; Fuller was no model employee but his ability on the pitch cut him a little slack. I really, really wanted Mmaee to be cut from the same cloth. At the time, the jury was still out on Mmaee. I've felt a bit uneasy about so many posters really tying themselves to Mmaee since then. I suppose my point is that this is not a sudden thing that has only started since Schumacher arrived. After Schumacher arrived, we drew 0-0 at home with Millwall and he went way over the top with praise for Mmaee: “Absolutely. But again, you’ve got to get people in the right positions. The eights have got to score more goals, they’ve got to get forward and get into dangerous areas. I thought Ryan Mmaee, by the way, was brilliant. I know he didn't score but his all-round game today was excellent.
“He led the line for 90 minutes on his own. I think he gave the ball away once, maybe twice in the whole game, and he was a threat all the time and just the shots that he had unfortunately were blocked. If he keeps putting himself in those positions, he'll score the goals that were going to need.”Then you have the Sunderland game. Denis Smith was on the radio going bonkers at our strikers, saying at one point that you have to keep turning up and doing drills to improve your finishing, no matter how boring it gets. I think Denis knows plenty about what goes on at the club, so it wasn't a coincidence that after the game you had Schumacher say the following: "I've just said it's not good enough that we don't hit the target enough. The only way we can get better is by working on the training ground and taking it seriously because I think earlier on in the season, creating opportunities at this club was difficult. Since we've been here, that's changed. We've created a lot of good chances, got into good areas.
"Strikers have got to expect that they are going to get those chances, and midfield players too, and we have to make it count. So we have to concentrate every single day when we do it in training, when we work on things. We have to take it seriously because if you don't, when you come into the stadiums when the pressure is on, you're not going to get it right either."My guess would be that we're seeing a progression of management approaches from trying to bring him into the fold with praise and seeing if it affects his behaviour to calling it out publically. If that doesn't work, why wouldn't you move him on? He's not exactly backed it up with performances on the pitch. O'Neill came in and did the same with N'Diaye and Etebo beacuse they didn't buy into his vision and were more interested in their next move. I also get the impression that Schumacher values more pace in his centre forwards. On reflection, I would like to expand on this post a little more. I don't like posting tittle tattle and that particular anecdote about the meet the players evening is something that I've not really wanted to post at all. The things we write on here can and do make a difference to people at the club who, for all their footballint faults, are still human beings trying to earn a wage. It helps nobody to go making inferences from bits and pieces here and there without knowing all sides of the story, and can actually be incredibly destructive. What prompted me to write the above was seeing a number of posters whose views I genuinely respect being totally in thrall to Mmaee to the point that they've pilloried the manager over his 'treatment' for weeks. One even wrote yesterday that Schumacher could and should be sacked for what he has done to Mmaee! I'm sorry, but that is grossly unfair and, in my view, unjust. As per my above point about this board impacting real lives, Schumacher is a young manager who has given up a lot to be here. True, he's being well recompensed, but he uprooted a young family and left a functional club where he was adored. We know for a fact that his family use this board. It's simply not right that he should be accused of losing the dressing room because he has identified and attempted to remove a problem player after weeks of trying to bring him into the fold. What on Earth has Ryan Mmaee, of all people, done to become a martyr for people to rally around against the manager? Why go out to bat for a player who was acting up long before Schumacher arrived and who has shown only the briefest of glimpses of being a competent footballer at this level? Berahino did as much. So, too, did Bangoura and Imbula. All three arguably did more in a Stoke shirt than Mmaee to date. This isn't even on the same planet as, say, Rowett excluding Bojan. That's without getting into the fact that under our new structure, Schumacher is effectively the assistant to the real manager, Ricky Martin. His responsibilities are limited to putting the cones out at training, picking the first team and dealing with morale and atmosphere. His job is to implement Martin's vision of an aggressive pressing team that was announced in the summer and he's well within his rights to move on players who don't perform on the pitch and don't buy into the way he wishes to go about it. I'm sorry, but this has really bothered me for a while now. Two really good considered posts and as you say Schuey is responsible for managing the group of players morale. He's a young manager, comes across very well and long term here could be fantastic for us. He's also unlikely to have been in this situation before and so is more likely to make mistakes (which is allowed, we all make them!) and this could, not has, have made it more difficult for us until the end of the season. He's not afraid of taking risk and doing something carried more risk, but also more potential to progress. He could have managed it differently and waited until the end of the season before seeing the player go. We now appear to have another player who will be loaned out for the rest of their contract and we possibly needed to keep him on side till the end of the season. Prior to calling Mmaee out we were unlikely to be in a relegation battle, we are now and he's a better forward currently than Campbell, Lowe, Wesley and Gayle below we cut ties there. Our signings we've paid transfer money for had largely been good, but this now seems awful, again Dublin shouldn't be punished for it. Really concerned we are now similar to the season we got relegated from the premier League where the players were better technically than we'd had before and if results were okay we were fine, but they were far from suited to a relegation battle.
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Post by thisisouryear on Feb 4, 2024 18:22:10 GMT
This unfortunately having principals can put you in a real mess if your players are idiots. I like SS and think he’s the right man for the job but I do think sometimes experience and age can count for a lot with these type of situations. It’s not that dissimilar from Rashford and despite being dealt with for his conduct he played yesterday and scored. It’s a very difficult balance where sometimes for the greater good you have to swallow some pride at least till the summer. For me, it's pretty much this indeed. I just don't think we're in a position to axe a striker that does have ability. And he certainly does have ability. Hughes was incredibly successful at controlling and managing players with attitude problems. One of them chased us £20m profit. Obviously Mmaee is nowhere - nowhere - near Arnautovic in terms of ability. But people seem to be forgetting that pretty much every tweet, or journalists' scout report, on here in summer was that we were signing a player with quality. Bollock him. Put him on the bench for a few weeks or whatever. Axing, offering him out to the doldrums, seems excessive and far too reactionary for my liking. Especially in the predicament we're in. Depends how many warnings he's had and how much his attitude is affecting the team. Although sometimes it feels like it we aren't a Sunday league team where people turn up for training whenever they get there.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 4, 2024 18:49:35 GMT
This unfortunately having principals can put you in a real mess if your players are idiots. I like SS and think he’s the right man for the job but I do think sometimes experience and age can count for a lot with these type of situations. It’s not that dissimilar from Rashford and despite being dealt with for his conduct he played yesterday and scored. It’s a very difficult balance where sometimes for the greater good you have to swallow some pride at least till the summer. For me, it's pretty much this indeed. I just don't think we're in a position to axe a striker that does have ability. And he certainly does have ability. Hughes was incredibly successful at controlling and managing players with attitude problems. One of them chased us £20m profit. Obviously Mmaee is nowhere - nowhere - near Arnautovic in terms of ability. But people seem to be forgetting that pretty much every tweet, or journalists' scout report, on here in summer was that we were signing a player with quality. Bollock him. Put him on the bench for a few weeks or whatever. Axing, offering him out to the doldrums, seems excessive and far too reactionary for my liking. Especially in the predicament we're in. Mate you have no idea what's gone on. If even half of his reported antics are true then he's an absolute bellend and should have been sorted out one way or another months ago. It shouldn't have been down to the new manager. Yes it did seem like we were getting a quality player but if you dug down as FM and others on here have done in the last 24 hrs there's enough about on the internet to show he's a total whopper as well and that his antics here are not unusual for him. He's a bad apple and should be fucked off. Imagine the unrest he is causing within the dressing room and the resentment from the players who are turning up to training and who are putting the effort in. If you're prepared to tolerate a complete twat like that causing the unrest he has at our club then that's up to you but I'm not and thankfully neither is our manager or so it seems. I'd rather Mmaee fucked a long way off as soon as possible. What he brings to the team is far outweighed by the shit he is causing in the club. Fuck off and then fuck off a bit more Mr Mmaee. Preferably as far away as possible and as permanently as possible.
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Post by Fred Merger on Feb 4, 2024 18:52:11 GMT
For me, it's pretty much this indeed. I just don't think we're in a position to axe a striker that does have ability. And he certainly does have ability. Hughes was incredibly successful at controlling and managing players with attitude problems. One of them chased us £20m profit. Obviously Mmaee is nowhere - nowhere - near Arnautovic in terms of ability. But people seem to be forgetting that pretty much every tweet, or journalists' scout report, on here in summer was that we were signing a player with quality. Bollock him. Put him on the bench for a few weeks or whatever. Axing, offering him out to the doldrums, seems excessive and far too reactionary for my liking. Especially in the predicament we're in. Mate you have no idea what's gone on. If even half of his reported antics are true then he's an absolute bellend and should have been sorted out one way or another months ago. It shouldn't have been down to the new manager. Yes it did seem like we were getting a quality player but if you dug down as FM and others on here have done in the last 24 hrs there's enough about on the internet to show he's a total whopper as well and that his antics here are not unusual for him. He's a bad apple and should be fucked off. Imagine the unrest he is causing within the dressing room and the resentment from the players who are turning up to training and who are putting the effort in. If you're prepared to tolerate a complete twat like that causing the unrest he has at our club then that's up to you but I'm not and thankfully neither is our manager or so it seems. I'd rather Mmaee fucked a long way off as soon as possible. What he brings to the team is far outweighed by the shit he is causing in the club. Fuck off and then fuck off a bit more Mr Mmaee. Preferably as far away as possible and as permanently as possible. can you enlighten us on what he is supposed to have done?
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Post by baconburger on Feb 4, 2024 18:53:32 GMT
Add that to the fact he can’t even get into the Moroccan squad kind of starts building a broader picture that the he is just not worth it. The bloke obviously thinks he’s far better than he is. Coming to England has just further exposed him. Needs to go back to some league where they play fairy football and he can go about like he’s god’s gift. Morocco have plenty of strikers playing at a higher level than the championship. He’s played for Morocco. You’d need to be a keener student of their games and squad selections than me to know why he’s no longer in the picture ie did he go from playing for his national side and slip down the pecking order or did his international career end abruptly? Which would suggest they give him a chance didn’t like what they saw and washed their hands of him. I’m sure these sort of things are pretty easy to check out if it’s your job to do so, I’m certainly not wasting my time finding out. We sign players, I deliberately don’t watch their reels or whatever they’re called. I watch them in a Stoke shirt and can quickly tell whether I like what I see and in Mmaee’s case didn’t like the look of him from the off and got into numerous arguments on here over my judgement. I’m pretty confident it was on the ball.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Feb 4, 2024 19:04:34 GMT
For me, it's pretty much this indeed. I just don't think we're in a position to axe a striker that does have ability. And he certainly does have ability. Hughes was incredibly successful at controlling and managing players with attitude problems. One of them chased us £20m profit. Obviously Mmaee is nowhere - nowhere - near Arnautovic in terms of ability. But people seem to be forgetting that pretty much every tweet, or journalists' scout report, on here in summer was that we were signing a player with quality. Bollock him. Put him on the bench for a few weeks or whatever. Axing, offering him out to the doldrums, seems excessive and far too reactionary for my liking. Especially in the predicament we're in. Mate you have no idea what's gone on. If even half of his reported antics are true then he's an absolute bellend and should have been sorted out one way or another months ago. It shouldn't have been down to the new manager. Yes it did seem like we were getting a quality player but if you dug down as FM and others on here have done in the last 24 hrs there's enough about on the internet to show he's a total whopper as well and that his antics here are not unusual for him. He's a bad apple and should be fucked off. Imagine the unrest he is causing within the dressing room and the resentment from the players who are turning up to training and who are putting the effort in. If you're prepared to tolerate a complete twat like that causing the unrest he has at our club then that's up to you but I'm not and thankfully neither is our manager or so it seems. I'd rather Mmaee fucked a long way off as soon as possible. What he brings to the team is far outweighed by the shit he is causing in the club. Fuck off and then fuck off a bit more Mr Mmaee. Preferably as far away as possible and as permanently as possible. This for me. I was cutting him slack coz I saw a player in him but if these stories are true he needs to be disciplined (and reverts a chastened man) or fucked off pronto.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 4, 2024 19:08:53 GMT
For me, it's pretty much this indeed. I just don't think we're in a position to axe a striker that does have ability. And he certainly does have ability. Hughes was incredibly successful at controlling and managing players with attitude problems. One of them chased us £20m profit. Obviously Mmaee is nowhere - nowhere - near Arnautovic in terms of ability. But people seem to be forgetting that pretty much every tweet, or journalists' scout report, on here in summer was that we were signing a player with quality. Bollock him. Put him on the bench for a few weeks or whatever. Axing, offering him out to the doldrums, seems excessive and far too reactionary for my liking. Especially in the predicament we're in. You have to have discipline mate otherwise if someone is taking the piss and getting away with it it then causes unrest amongst the group He’s taking the piss out of the manager, the club and most of all us the supporters The manager has got this spot on Nothing wrong with discipline however It’s how you do it that counts. He needs punishing 100 percent however i’m not sure selling him is the answer when you look at our alternatives. If we’d got 2 strikers in the window 100 percent but what options do we currently have past the new man? Wesley? Hopeless Lowe? Not ready Campbell? Uninterested If the club knew this situation was brewing they should have bought someone in.
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Post by werrington on Feb 4, 2024 19:13:44 GMT
You have to have discipline mate otherwise if someone is taking the piss and getting away with it it then causes unrest amongst the group He’s taking the piss out of the manager, the club and most of all us the supporters The manager has got this spot on Nothing wrong with discipline however It’s how you do it that counts. He needs punishing 100 percent however i’m not sure selling him is the answer when you look at our alternatives. If we’d got 2 strikers in the window 100 percent but what options do we currently have past the new man? Wesley? Hopeless Lowe? Not ready Campbell? Uninterested If the club knew this situation was brewing they should have bought someone in. If he’s a bad apple he needs taking out of the equation and getting him out of the club If we were to get relegated and these stories came out I’m pretty sure this place would be lambasting the manager and club for allowing this shit to go on Let him wallow
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Post by Gary Hackett on Feb 4, 2024 19:14:00 GMT
You have to have discipline mate otherwise if someone is taking the piss and getting away with it it then causes unrest amongst the group He’s taking the piss out of the manager, the club and most of all us the supporters The manager has got this spot on Nothing wrong with discipline however It’s how you do it that counts. He needs punishing 100 percent however i’m not sure selling him is the answer when you look at our alternatives. If we’d got 2 strikers in the window 100 percent but what options do we currently have past the new man? Wesley? Hopeless Lowe? Not ready Campbell? Uninterested If the club knew this situation was brewing they should have bought someone in. The answer until the summer may be to play big Wes and get Million and Ennis buzzing around him.
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Post by block23 on Feb 4, 2024 19:14:00 GMT
You can highlight his attitude problems all you want. The two worst performances of the season - the past two games - he hasn't started. Funnily enough his striker replacement, Tyrese Campbell, got cheered off the pitch when he was substituted. The biggest celebration of the match from Stoke fans was him being taken off. Ryan Mmaee isn't the problem at hand is he? But from all of this, Schumacher has created a problem that could well be detrimental for the season. Our best striker (whether you rate him highly or not) has been axed when A) we're struggling to score and B) we're in a relegation battle. Awful management. And these snippets from previous clubs are in no way a defence of how the situation has been handled imho. SS has not created any problem, stop making shite up and listen to what is really happening,
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Post by baconburger on Feb 4, 2024 19:21:30 GMT
Nothing wrong with discipline however It’s how you do it that counts. He needs punishing 100 percent however i’m not sure selling him is the answer when you look at our alternatives. If we’d got 2 strikers in the window 100 percent but what options do we currently have past the new man? Wesley? Hopeless Lowe? Not ready Campbell? Uninterested If the club knew this situation was brewing they should have bought someone in. The answer until the summer may be to play big Wes and get Million and Ennis buzzing around him. As far as I’ve seen we haven’t had a credible CF all season. Wesley had plenty of opportunities and was bloody awful. Know nothing of Ennis is he an option up the middle. I’d pretty much ceased paying any attention by the time he came on so still don’t know what his attributes are.
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Post by oslostokie1 on Feb 4, 2024 19:24:01 GMT
Excellent posts from Olgrligm first of all. For me, it was clear that Mmaee had a chip on his shoulder when he was subbed by Neil in the first game of the season as he looked to the sky in disbelief when he was hooked and ambled off very slowly. A pity asyou could tell he was very skilful even if Vidi got all the plaudits on the day. I am hoping its a redeemable situation as I think we are going to need him.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 4, 2024 19:29:43 GMT
Nothing wrong with discipline however It’s how you do it that counts. He needs punishing 100 percent however i’m not sure selling him is the answer when you look at our alternatives. If we’d got 2 strikers in the window 100 percent but what options do we currently have past the new man? Wesley? Hopeless Lowe? Not ready Campbell? Uninterested If the club knew this situation was brewing they should have bought someone in. The answer until the summer may be to play big Wes and get Million and Ennis buzzing around him. Really? There’s nothing to suggest Wesley’s even in the managers thoughts and from what I’ve seen of him like Campbell he’s playing like his futures away from here and not up for the fight. At the moment we have 2 striking options Ryan - Who doesn’t look ready but at least he tries Ennis - who’s injured a lot Vidigal at a push - However by all accounts he’s on a final warning and is way too lightweight.
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Post by Championship Potter on Feb 4, 2024 19:30:40 GMT
Never mind he`s only got 2 1/2 years left on his contract. We probably will try to cancel his contact if he is messing the club about so much.Will we ever learn from our mistakes? Doubt we’d want to do that from a FFP perspective as we’ll taking an immediate write down of the transfer fee. Probably two years of paltry loan fees and wage contributions from Turkish clubs, with meaningless “option to buy” fees.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 4, 2024 19:36:47 GMT
You have to have discipline mate otherwise if someone is taking the piss and getting away with it it then causes unrest amongst the group He’s taking the piss out of the manager, the club and most of all us the supporters The manager has got this spot on Nothing wrong with discipline however It’s how you do it that counts. He needs punishing 100 percent however i’m not sure selling him is the answer when you look at our alternatives. If we’d got 2 strikers in the window 100 percent but what options do we currently have past the new man? Wesley? Hopeless Lowe? Not ready Campbell? Uninterested If the club knew this situation was brewing they should have bought someone in. My understanding is he has been disciplined and punished numerous times but refuses to change his ways. What Schumacher said and Burger hinted at the other week sort of corroborates this. What are they supposed to do if he refuses to comply with club rules? PS I totally agree with your last sentence. This is something that has been brewing since the day he walked through the door and should have been sorted one way or the other months ago. Sack him? But we get nothing for him then. Or sell him? That way we do get some sort of return on ot £2m summer outlay.
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Post by datguy on Feb 4, 2024 19:37:58 GMT
You can highlight his attitude problems all you want. The two worst performances of the season - the past two games - he hasn't started. Funnily enough his striker replacement, Tyrese Campbell, got cheered off the pitch when he was substituted. The biggest celebration of the match from Stoke fans was him being taken off. Ryan Mmaee isn't the problem at hand is he? But from all of this, Schumacher has created a problem that could well be detrimental for the season. Our best striker (whether you rate him highly or not) has been axed when A) we're struggling to score and B) we're in a relegation battle. Awful management. And these snippets from previous clubs are in no way a defence of how the situation has been handled imho. SS has not created any problem, stop making shite up and listen to what is really happening, You can disagree, it's a message board. But I don't think I've made anything up? The problem is that we've completely axed our best striker (feels incredibly redundant to keep repeating this statement given how little it actually means but I'd still rather him up top than Campbell), and it's become a big concern for all involved, when we sit 4 points above the relegation zone and can't get the ball in the back of the net. I do think Schumacher has created this problem, unfortunately. If Mmaee was taking the piss in training (and I fully believe he was!) then he needs disciplining. But axing him like he has hasn't had much of a desired effect on the team has it? The worst two performances came in his absence. But now it's public knowledge. Even if Schumacher has to swallow his pride and rely on Mmaee in coming games - as I hope he will - then he can't now can he? Everyone and their dog knows he's been taking the piss in training and no doubt he gets booed. I just simply think it should've been handled differently. Telling him to find a new club in the last week of the window, and the stern words following Sunderland and Leicester, don't do much to help. Especially when his replacement got piss-takingly cheered off the pitch on Saturday. I've backed Schumacher and continue to do so. I like the fella and want him to succeed more than any of our previous managers because he's certainly likeable. I also think he could've handled Mmaee and his attitude problems significantly better. I'd rather have Mmaee available for the remaining 15 games than not. All Schumacher needs to say is he's held clear the air talks with Mmaee initiated by Ryan and he's back. But until then the boss can't pick him can he? And we have to put up with Campbell strolling about the pitch not being arsed.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 4, 2024 19:44:46 GMT
Nothing wrong with discipline however It’s how you do it that counts. He needs punishing 100 percent however i’m not sure selling him is the answer when you look at our alternatives. If we’d got 2 strikers in the window 100 percent but what options do we currently have past the new man? Wesley? Hopeless Lowe? Not ready Campbell? Uninterested If the club knew this situation was brewing they should have bought someone in. My understanding is he has been disciplined and punished numerous times but refuses to change his ways. What Schumacher said and Burger hinted at the other week sort of corroborates this. What are they supposed to do if he refuses to comply with club rules? PS I totally agree with your last sentence. This is something that has been brewing since the day he walked through the door and should have been sorted one way or the other months ago. Sack him? But we get nothing for him then. Or sell him? That way we do get some sort of return on ot £2m summer outlay. If we sack him then at least we won’t be messing around with these loan deals where we’re contrubuting to his wages like with NDaiye. If we get a cash offer for him I’ll be amazed as no one would be stupid enough to buy him because of his reputation. If we do then let’s get him out. You just know he’ll be off to Turkey with us paying for a fair percentage of his wage. What a mess.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 4, 2024 19:48:18 GMT
Presumably all this renders Martin and Jared’s positions.totally untenable. Given the clear lack of appropriate diligence and the rhetoric of how much diligence we do , they are lucky he’s the only one getting suspended.
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Post by block23 on Feb 4, 2024 19:51:23 GMT
SS has not created any problem, stop making shite up and listen to what is really happening, You can disagree, it's a message board. But I don't think I've made anything up? The problem is that we've completely axed our best striker (feels incredibly redundant to keep repeating this statement given how little it actually means but I'd still rather him up top than Campbell), and it's become a big concern for all involved, when we sit 4 points above the relegation zone and can't get the ball in the back of the net. I do think Schumacher has created this problem, unfortunately. If Mmaee was taking the piss in training (and I fully believe he was!) then he needs disciplining. But axing him like he has hasn't had much of a desired effect on the team has it? The worst two performances came in his absence. But now it's public knowledge. Even if Schumacher has to swallow his pride and rely on Mmaee in coming games - as I hope he will - then he can't now can he? Everyone and their dog knows he's been taking the piss in training and no doubt he gets booed. I just simply think it should've been handled differently. Telling him to find a new club in the last week of the window, and the stern words following Sunderland and Leicester, don't do much to help. Especially when his replacement got piss-takingly cheered off the pitch on Saturday. You have no idea what has happened, but chose to have a go at SS for it regardless. I've backed Schumacher and continue to do so. I like the fella and want him to succeed more than any of our previous managers because he's certainly likeable. I also think he could've handled Mmaee and his attitude problems significantly better. I'd rather have Mmaee available for the remaining 15 games than not. All Schumacher needs to say is he's held clear the air talks with Mmaee initiated by Ryan and he's back. But until then the boss can't pick him can he? And we have to put up with Campbell strolling about the pitch not being arsed.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Feb 4, 2024 19:53:27 GMT
SS has not created any problem, stop making shite up and listen to what is really happening, You can disagree, it's a message board. But I don't think I've made anything up? The problem is that we've completely axed our best striker (feels incredibly redundant to keep repeating this statement given how little it actually means but I'd still rather him up top than Campbell), and it's become a big concern for all involved, when we sit 4 points above the relegation zone and can't get the ball in the back of the net. I do think Schumacher has created this problem, unfortunately. If Mmaee was taking the piss in training (and I fully believe he was!) then he needs disciplining. But axing him like he has hasn't had much of a desired effect on the team has it? The worst two performances came in his absence. But now it's public knowledge. Even if Schumacher has to swallow his pride and rely on Mmaee in coming games - as I hope he will - then he can't now can he? Everyone and their dog knows he's been taking the piss in training and no doubt he gets booed. I just simply think it should've been handled differently. Telling him to find a new club in the last week of the window, and the stern words following Sunderland and Leicester, don't do much to help. Especially when his replacement got piss-takingly cheered off the pitch on Saturday. I've backed Schumacher and continue to do so. I like the fella and want him to succeed more than any of our previous managers because he's certainly likeable. I also think he could've handled Mmaee and his attitude problems significantly better. I'd rather have Mmaee available for the remaining 15 games than not. All Schumacher needs to say is he's held clear the air talks with Mmaee initiated by Ryan and he's back. But until then the boss can't pick him can he? And we have to put up with Campbell strolling about the pitch not being arsed. So say foe example he's told the manager to go fuck himself, you think that's acceptable. If the manager accepts this sort of behaviour then he totally loses the dressing room including the good eggs. You just can't pretend this hasn't happened.
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Post by ceejays on Feb 4, 2024 19:57:56 GMT
Any HR experts about . Doesnt his conduct qualify as gross misconduct and instant dismissal ?
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