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Mmaee
Jan 20, 2024 20:49:53 GMT
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Post by baconburger on Jan 20, 2024 20:49:53 GMT
I've seen a number of CHs with a cigar on, up against Mmaee this season. He's just too easy to shut out. Not particularly quick, not particularly physical, not particularly big, not great in the air, doesn't have a natural knack for goalscoring. Other than all that - he's great. Like shepherding a lamb.
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Mmaee
Jan 20, 2024 20:49:56 GMT
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Post by onyourbonce on Jan 20, 2024 20:49:56 GMT
Don’t rate him. Whilst he might not be “wank”, he’s got the odd decent flick in him……he is nowhere near good enough for this level. And absolutely nothing I’ve seen from him can convince me otherwise. Think a lot of stoke fans say he will come good n make excuses of his role etc cus they are desperate for it to work, he cost a few bob n there was abit of excitement around him, but il tell you now it won’t work. The bloke isn’t good enough. And his lack of enthusiasm n work rate is scary, looks like he’d rather be anywhere else but out on that pitch It's got fuck all to do with being desperate for it to work, it's a fact that he isn't a lead a line striker and that's how he's being played. Well that’s what he was identified as, that’s the formation we were going with as do most teams these days 1 striker, and that’s what he was recruited for. The transfer team have just got one badly wrong, because he ain’t good enough. Did he play in a 2 at ferencvaros?
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Mmaee
Jan 20, 2024 20:54:57 GMT
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Post by baconburger on Jan 20, 2024 20:54:57 GMT
It's got fuck all to do with being desperate for it to work, it's a fact that he isn't a lead a line striker and that's how he's being played. Well that’s what he was identified as, that’s the formation we were going with as do most teams these days 1 striker, and that’s what he was recruited for. The transfer team have just got one badly wrong, because he ain’t good enough. Did he play in a 2 at ferencvaros? Who knows what he played as it’s a no mark league. I’d love to know exactly what position he needs to play to get anything out of him. He played behind the striker when he came on vs Brighton and his performance was even worse than normal.
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Mmaee
Jan 20, 2024 20:55:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2024 20:55:08 GMT
Thought he looked better in a two. His little flicks had someone (Campbell) running on to them. Campbell’s 1v1 came from that in fact.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2024 20:55:44 GMT
He's technically good and will have a decent career in one of the European second divisions but sadly not in England and I think Schumacher knows it. If we want to get anything out of him he needs to play in a two which means some form of three at the back system.
Unfortunately at the moment we don't have a viable alternative and will probably have to limp through to the summer until we shift Wesley and Gayle and Campbell off the wage bill.
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Mmaee
Jan 20, 2024 20:58:32 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2024 20:58:32 GMT
He's technically good and will have a decent career in one of the European second divisions but sadly not in England and I think Schumacher knows it. If we want to get anything out of him he needs to play in a two which means some form of three at the back system. Unfortunately at the moment we don't have a viable alternative and will probably have to limp through to the summer until we shift Wesley and Gayle and Campbell off the wage bill. I’d also be fine with a 352. Bae behind Campbell and Mmaee with BKer/Cundle or Burger behind Bae. Some of the most attacking football we played was with MON’s back three, using Ostigard and Wilmot to push forwards. I’d be fine with Thompson and Junior as wing backs.
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Post by baconburger on Jan 20, 2024 21:00:56 GMT
He's technically good and will have a decent career in one of the European second divisions but sadly not in England and I think Schumacher knows it. If we want to get anything out of him he needs to play in a two which means some form of three at the back system. Unfortunately at the moment we don't have a viable alternative and will probably have to limp through to the summer until we shift Wesley and Gayle and Campbell off the wage bill. He’s not suited to English football doesn’t have the intensity or the appetite for combat. Sooner people accept that the better.
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Post by wakeypotter on Jan 20, 2024 21:40:17 GMT
There there. You just keep on trying to convince yourself. He’s lazy, he’s dozy, he’s half arsed, he’s slow to react and slow of foot.Yet desperate people keep wanting to see something that isn’t there. Best we make sure non of them add ons get triggered whilst that permeates a few hard noggins. "Lazy", "dozy", "half-arsed" - the calling sign for the brainless "runs-around-a-lot" striker yet again. He was poor today, as players from most positions should've scored two from all his chances, but he did create quite a few chances for others like SRF is saying. I don't see the lazy part, he just isn't a target man or a run into space striker. I thought he was good when Campbell came on, but then Campbell stopped making those runs and he was taken off. It doesn't that mean I wouldn't welcome another striker coming in, as long as he's another player type. I'm sure a real inside forward (not the tesco vidigal one) would benefit a lot from playing with Mmaee. Poku might be one of those, we'll see. The lazy part is he doesn’t close down defenders and make it hard for them, he’s got no movement just wants it to his feet he is lazy
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Mmaee
Jan 20, 2024 21:49:21 GMT
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Post by pipegatepotter on Jan 20, 2024 21:49:21 GMT
Ryan Carling is my newly adopted name for this bloke on account as he’s just as weak as piss!
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Post by onyourbonce on Jan 20, 2024 22:19:54 GMT
There there. You just keep on trying to convince yourself. He’s lazy, he’s dozy, he’s half arsed, he’s slow to react and slow of foot.Yet desperate people keep wanting to see something that isn’t there. Best we make sure non of them add ons get triggered whilst that permeates a few hard noggins. "Lazy", "dozy", "half-arsed" - the calling sign for the brainless "runs-around-a-lot" striker yet again. He was poor today, as players from most positions should've scored two from all his chances, but he did create quite a few chances for others like SRF is saying. I don't see the lazy part, he just isn't a target man or a run into space striker. I thought he was good when Campbell came on, but then Campbell stopped making those runs and he was taken off. It doesn't that mean I wouldn't welcome another striker coming in, as long as he's another player type. I'm sure a real inside forward (not the tesco vidigal one) would benefit a lot from playing with Mmaee. Poku might be one of those, we'll see. “I don’t see the lazy part”……..you must sit there with your eyes shut then, he’s the laziest forward I’ve seen in a long time. Every single time he loses the ball with a bad touch or a bit of pressure he never hustles to get it back, he very rarely makes off the ball runs or movement into space, and he only ever makes a half arsed effort to close down the defence or keeper.
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Post by idle on Jan 20, 2024 22:39:24 GMT
"Lazy", "dozy", "half-arsed" - the calling sign for the brainless "runs-around-a-lot" striker yet again. He was poor today, as players from most positions should've scored two from all his chances, but he did create quite a few chances for others like SRF is saying. I don't see the lazy part, he just isn't a target man or a run into space striker. I thought he was good when Campbell came on, but then Campbell stopped making those runs and he was taken off. It doesn't that mean I wouldn't welcome another striker coming in, as long as he's another player type. I'm sure a real inside forward (not the tesco vidigal one) would benefit a lot from playing with Mmaee. Poku might be one of those, we'll see. “I don’t see the lazy part”……..you must sit there with your eyes shut then, he’s the laziest forward I’ve seen in a long time. Every single time he loses the ball with a bad touch or a bit of pressure he never hustles to get it back, he very rarely makes off the ball runs or movement into space, and he only ever makes a half arsed effort to close down the defence or keeper. That's just total bollocks. He did way more than Stansfield, the only difference is that you saw him score, and that you didn't see Mmaee closing down defenders, harrassing them hoping for a mistake. Typical english "chase the balloon" lower league striker skills. There are other ways of playing football you know. I'd advise you to actually look at what he does, not only by looking at him, but looking at him within a larger space. Not just looking for the active chasing part, but looking at his movement compared to the other players. I'm not sure he'll succeed, but he's not as bad as you tonkers think. He'd be much worse if he tried playing the way you seem to think is the only way for strikers to play.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 20, 2024 22:43:46 GMT
He's a second striker, unless we sign anyone before the Sunderland game I would put Campbell up front with Mmaee and Jun-ho behind him.........
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Mmaee
Jan 20, 2024 22:48:46 GMT
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Post by onyourbonce on Jan 20, 2024 22:48:46 GMT
“I don’t see the lazy part”……..you must sit there with your eyes shut then, he’s the laziest forward I’ve seen in a long time. Every single time he loses the ball with a bad touch or a bit of pressure he never hustles to get it back, he very rarely makes off the ball runs or movement into space, and he only ever makes a half arsed effort to close down the defence or keeper. That's just total bollocks. He did way more than Stansfield, the only difference is that you saw him score, and that you didn't see Mmaee closing down defenders, harrassing them hoping for a mistake. Typical english "chase the balloon" lower league striker skills. There are other ways of playing football you know. I'd advise you to actually look at what he does, not only by looking at him, but looking at him within a larger space. Not just looking for the active chasing part, but looking at his movement compared to the other players. I'm not sure he'll succeed, but he's not as bad as you tonkers think. He'd be much worse if he tried playing the way you seem to think is the only way for strikers to play. Dunno how he can get any worse so that last comment you’ve made their is horseshit mate. N if you think what I’ve said is total bollocks I have no idea what the fuck your watching. The sooner people get it and stop making excuses for him the better, because he needs putting on the bench or shipping off while some foreign mugs might still pay summit for him because he simply is not good enough!! End of story
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Post by snoogle on Jan 20, 2024 22:51:46 GMT
Don’t rate him. Whilst he might not be “wank”, he’s got the odd decent flick in him……he is nowhere near good enough for this level. And absolutely nothing I’ve seen from him can convince me otherwise. Think a lot of stoke fans say he will come good n make excuses of his role etc cus they are desperate for it to work, he cost a few bob n there was abit of excitement around him, but il tell you now it won’t work. The bloke isn’t good enough. And his lack of enthusiasm n work rate is scary, looks like he’d rather be anywhere else but out on that pitch It's got fuck all to do with being desperate for it to work, it's a fact that he isn't a lead a line striker and that's how he's being played. So the fact he isn’t a “lead the line” striker forgives him for not being able to jump, but being able to hold the ball up , not having any pace to get past a man, never beating a man , and generally walking round like he’s doesn’t give a flying fcuk , but it’s ok cuz he does the odd flick and he’s not a “lead the line striker”
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Post by idle on Jan 20, 2024 22:56:35 GMT
That's just total bollocks. He did way more than Stansfield, the only difference is that you saw him score, and that you didn't see Mmaee closing down defenders, harrassing them hoping for a mistake. Typical english "chase the balloon" lower league striker skills. There are other ways of playing football you know. I'd advise you to actually look at what he does, not only by looking at him, but looking at him within a larger space. Not just looking for the active chasing part, but looking at his movement compared to the other players. I'm not sure he'll succeed, but he's not as bad as you tonkers think. He'd be much worse if he tried playing the way you seem to think is the only way for strikers to play. Dunno how he can get any worse so that last comment you’ve made their is horseshit mate. N if you think what I’ve said is total bollocks I have no idea what the fuck your watching. The sooner people get it and stop making excuses for him the better, because he needs putting on the bench or shipping off while some foreign mugs might still pay summit for him because he simply is not good enough!! End of story If you think a slender 6' striker is going to win playing rugby against some of the brute CBs in this league then you're utterly mad. If you can't see a technical forward if you see one, I can't help you. Look at the start of the signing video posted here earlier. His bio said "Playmaking forward". But I guess you wouldn't understand anyway. Mmaee has chased the ball back lots of times in other games, even into our own half, but this game was so one-sided he never had to. We (Burger, Bae and Thompson) usually won the ball back after two touches.
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Post by wakeypotter on Jan 20, 2024 23:04:38 GMT
He's a second striker, unless we sign anyone before the Sunderland game I would put Campbell up front with Mmaee and Jun-ho behind him......... But that’s playing Campbell out of position his best position is wide right. Mmaee is a nothing player with no desire and is weak as piss. It’s a mess really until we get a goalscorer
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Mmaee
Jan 20, 2024 23:04:42 GMT
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Post by smallthorner on Jan 20, 2024 23:04:42 GMT
He's one of those "flatters to deceive " forwards.
Strangely enough people used to say that about Jimmy Greenhoff in 1969.
I'm not saying for one minute you can compare of course but I suspect if he was playing alongside a John Ritchie you would see a different perspective.
Jury still out for me. I thought Burger was wank a couple months ago so what do I know.
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Mmaee
Jan 20, 2024 23:08:06 GMT
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Post by onyourbonce on Jan 20, 2024 23:08:06 GMT
Dunno how he can get any worse so that last comment you’ve made their is horseshit mate. N if you think what I’ve said is total bollocks I have no idea what the fuck your watching. The sooner people get it and stop making excuses for him the better, because he needs putting on the bench or shipping off while some foreign mugs might still pay summit for him because he simply is not good enough!! End of story If you think a slender 6' striker is going to win playing rugby against some of the brute CBs in this league then you're utterly mad. If you can't see a technical forward if you see one, I can't help you. Look at the start of the signing video posted here earlier. His bio said "Playmaking forward". But I guess you wouldn't understand anyway. Mmaee has chased the ball back lots of times in other games, even into our own half, but this game was so one-sided he never had to. We (Burger, Bae and Thompson) usually won the ball back after two touches. The more you respond, the more desperate you sound in trying to justify him. He’s not good enough mate, we need better. And that’s just the honest truth
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Mmaee
Jan 20, 2024 23:19:41 GMT
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Post by george2again on Jan 20, 2024 23:19:41 GMT
He's one of those "flatters to deceive " forwards. Strangely enough people used to say that about Jimmy Greenhoff in 1969. I'm not saying for one minute you can compare of course but I suspect if he was playing alongside a John Ritchie you would see a different perspective. Jury still out for me. I thought Burger was wank a couple months ago so what do I know. Posted after the first game of the season I thought he was a competition winner and he even scored that day. He has no attributes for this standard of football and is mostly a passenger for me. Probably would be more effective with two strikers up top but really not good enough. Shuball dictates high octane energy going forwards and he is the completely opposite so assuming the manager has his number already and is playing him as we have no one else suitable.
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Post by idle on Jan 20, 2024 23:21:34 GMT
If you think a slender 6' striker is going to win playing rugby against some of the brute CBs in this league then you're utterly mad. If you can't see a technical forward if you see one, I can't help you. Look at the start of the signing video posted here earlier. His bio said "Playmaking forward". But I guess you wouldn't understand anyway. Mmaee has chased the ball back lots of times in other games, even into our own half, but this game was so one-sided he never had to. We (Burger, Bae and Thompson) usually won the ball back after two touches. The more you respond, the more desperate you sound in trying to justify him. He’s not good enough mate, we need better. And that’s just the honest truth And you just keep repeating that he's not good enough without any argument. I'm trying to give one and I sound "desperate" .
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Mmaee
Jan 20, 2024 23:28:05 GMT
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Post by onyourbonce on Jan 20, 2024 23:28:05 GMT
The more you respond, the more desperate you sound in trying to justify him. He’s not good enough mate, we need better. And that’s just the honest truth And you just keep repeating that he's not good enough without any argument. I'm trying to give one and I sound "desperate" . Well he’s only scored 3 all season, maybe 4 but off the top of my head it’s only Rotherham in the cup qpr and Watford away I can recall, he’s weak as piss, his touch is largely terrible and he loses possession and then doesn’t work hard enough to get it back, he doesn’t make enough off the ball runs, he doesn’t press the keeper and centre half anywhere near enough. And as we’ve seen today when he gets a good chance he’s not reliable on putting it in the net. How’s that for an argument? Or are you just Goin say that’s bollocks like last time? Idiot
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Jan 20, 2024 23:44:50 GMT
Post by idle on Jan 20, 2024 23:44:50 GMT
And you just keep repeating that he's not good enough without any argument. I'm trying to give one and I sound "desperate" . Well he’s only scored 3 all season, maybe 4 but off the top of my head it’s only Rotherham in the cup qpr and Watford away I can recall, he’s weak as piss, his touch is largely terrible and he loses possession and then doesn’t work hard enough to get it back, he doesn’t make enough off the ball runs, he doesn’t press the keeper and centre half anywhere near enough. And as we’ve seen today when he gets a good chance he’s not reliable on putting it in the net. How’s that for an argument? Or are you just Goin say that’s bollocks like last time? Idiot As for goals all season, have you already forgotten about that wank manager we used to have for most of the season playing dour pass it around the back scared shitless football? I've been trying to say he's not the classic striker, but you don't seem to grasp it. Tell me, how many chances do you think he created today for the others? I'm betting you only saw one, when he was involved in quite a few of our chances.I called bollocks cause you only see the most obvious "aaard work", and none of the smart movement. Idiot.
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Post by onyourbonce on Jan 20, 2024 23:52:16 GMT
Well he’s only scored 3 all season, maybe 4 but off the top of my head it’s only Rotherham in the cup qpr and Watford away I can recall, he’s weak as piss, his touch is largely terrible and he loses possession and then doesn’t work hard enough to get it back, he doesn’t make enough off the ball runs, he doesn’t press the keeper and centre half anywhere near enough. And as we’ve seen today when he gets a good chance he’s not reliable on putting it in the net. How’s that for an argument? Or are you just Goin say that’s bollocks like last time? Idiot As for goals all season, have you already forgotten about that wank manager we used to have for most of the season playing dour pass it around the back scared shitless football? I've been trying to say he's not the classic striker, but you don't seem to grasp it. Tell me, how many chances do you think he created today for the others? I'm betting you only saw one, when he was involved in quite a few of our chances.I called bollocks cause you only see the most obvious "aaard work", and none of the smart movement. Idiot. We could go back and forth for eternity, you clearly rate him for some reason, I don’t. If you think he’s capable of contributing and taking the club forward fair play, I don’t see it and think we need better.
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Mmaee
Jan 21, 2024 0:00:35 GMT
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Post by mtrstudent on Jan 21, 2024 0:00:35 GMT
He's one of those "flatters to deceive " forwards. Strangely enough people used to say that about Jimmy Greenhoff in 1969. I'm not saying for one minute you can compare of course but I suspect if he was playing alongside a John Ritchie you would see a different perspective. Jury still out for me. I thought Burger was wank a couple months ago so what do I know. Spot on for me mate, flatters to deceive, jury out etc but I'm hopeful. Today wasn't good enough and I think he'll know that.
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Mmaee
Jan 21, 2024 0:59:32 GMT
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Post by stokemark on Jan 21, 2024 0:59:32 GMT
He has a lot of attributes but in this league you need to run and run until you drop, chase most causes and defend from the front - he simply doesn't have the minerals to do this.
We need better and we need it fast
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Mmaee
Jan 21, 2024 3:44:16 GMT
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Post by ceejays on Jan 21, 2024 3:44:16 GMT
We don’t play a no 10 anymore nor a false nine so I can’t see us playing two up top We ended up with two up today - Campbell and Mmaee then Campbell and Lowe. We were at our best with Campbell and Mmaee. Helped to make more space in midfield as well with Leris and Bae out wide. But the basic way Schuey plays is 433 . He is well renowned for in game changes which he did today as we were chasing the game but he’s not going to change the fundamental way we play
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Jan 21, 2024 5:32:10 GMT
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Post by baconburger on Jan 21, 2024 5:32:10 GMT
He has a lot of attributes but in this league you need to run and run until you drop, chase most causes and defend from the front - he simply doesn't have the minerals to do this. We need better and we need it fast The attributes are minimal as is his contribution opposition CB’s could play against him all day without getting fatigued. He’s one of the easiest games they’ll get all season.
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Jan 21, 2024 5:32:34 GMT
Post by iglugluk on Jan 21, 2024 5:32:34 GMT
We need a striker and Mmaee doesn't appear to be that. He's clearly a good player but he's not a reliable goalscorer it seems. Mind you Joselu struggled here so it's possible something isn't right yet. I guess we have to trust the manager and his take on the situation. We definitely need more goals though that's for sure!
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Jan 21, 2024 5:39:01 GMT
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Post by baconburger on Jan 21, 2024 5:39:01 GMT
We need a striker and Mmaee doesn't appear to be that. He's clearly a good player but he's not a reliable goalscorer it seems. Mind you Joselu struggled here so it's possible something isn't right yet. I guess we have to trust the manager and his take on the situation. We definitely need more goals though that's for sure! Joselu struggled with English football full stop and is a very apt comparison. Fairy footballer.
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Jan 21, 2024 7:59:32 GMT
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Post by misterj on Jan 21, 2024 7:59:32 GMT
If we’re saying none of Mmae, Wesley, Gayle, Campbell or Vidigal are natural leaders no.9’s and Lowe isn’t ready then the head coach should either switch to two upfront OR get a quality CF in and offload as many of our current crop?
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