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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 11, 2024 11:17:48 GMT
I still wish we’d play him as a number 10. Seems such a waste out wide. Didn't Shumacher address that after the match. Said something along the lines of what a fighter he was and he was so enthusiastic he would pop up all over the pitch trying to win the ball back which just ruined the shape and confused the rest of the team leaving gaps every where. With his English still not being that good it is easier to get him to understand his role out wide where when defending he just watches his full back. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 11, 2024 11:24:20 GMT
Mate I’ve no idea how good South Korea u/23’s are but he won’t be there until the 11th anyway as the final is on the 9th. If they don’t get out of the group he could be back by 30th July. You’re right he won’t have had a pre season with us but he’ll be far fitter than most of our players and he’ll have nearly a fortnight to get back in the swing of things at Clayton Wood before the season starts. M delighted for him and it can only be good for him Absolutely mate. And hope they're knocked out in the group stages  |
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Post by TheMmaeestro on Mar 11, 2024 11:53:12 GMT
Pete Smith saying he’d have to miss the final 3 games of this season for qualifiers. That would be an interesting decision for the Club if we’re still amongst it all!
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Post by jhtstokie on Mar 11, 2024 12:11:46 GMT
He really needs to improve his shooting. Don't want to sound like a knob but he was poor today. End product is all that counts And therein lies the problem with our support. We won a game 2-1 in which he played as a creat/wide forward and someone says he was poor because he didn't score. I sometimes wonder whether some fans understand the game of football and watch how teams try to move each other about and create space for others. I think some think it's just like playing on the playground where the kid who stands on the goal line takes the credit for scoring the goals and nobody wants to play defence. Junho is a wonderful player to watch even without the goals. 👏 spot on. Been the bright spark of our otherwise very dull season up to now. First touch is incredible, his eye for a pass, mingling around making space for others, he’s a great talent and he’s at the very bottom of our list of worries! |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 11, 2024 12:53:46 GMT
I'll do you a deal. When Bae has played 160 times for a top 4 side (I'm being generous) in Germany Italy Spain or England and scored 1 in 4 I'll agree he's as good as Bojan. I'll wait...... It is also pertinent to note that Bojan was an unused substitute in both champions leagues finals of 2008/09 and 2010/11 so it’s not as if he set the pitch on fire in those two finals. Call a spade a spade Roy Keane and Paul Scholes didn’t appear in the champions league final for man utd in 1999 either..... You are trying to argue the impossible. I'll have to just leave this now as its just silly. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 11, 2024 12:56:18 GMT
What he could have become? Now admittedly he could have gone better without some of his mental health issues. But his record at Barca alone is something 95% of premier league players would give both bollox for. Where is this nonsense coming from. The lad has 2 champions leagues, 3 la ligas and 40 plus goals in 160 odd Barcelona appearances. Just pack it in please 😆 Harry Kane has a brilliant career scoring 213 goals in 317 games for spurs, 27 goals in 24 games for Bayern and 62 goals in 89 games for England. But he has 1 Runner Up Medal in the Euros to show for it. Bojan played his first game for Barcelona at 17 years old and his last at 20 years old. Capped once for Spain. He was tipped to become greater than Messi (scored 672 goals for Barca and the list of honors is too long to list here) and ended up achieving next to nothing for the rest of his career. At age 29, he could not get into Stoke City team regularly. What could he have become??? Better than Messi, if he had the mettle. What did he become??? A mere fraction of what his skill deserved. You're missing the point. The arguement is Bae is better than Bojan. At this point in time that is a quite ridiculous statement. No if and no buts... |
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Post by jeycov on Mar 11, 2024 13:10:55 GMT
Pete Smith saying he’d have to miss the final 3 games of this season for qualifiers. That would be an interesting decision for the Club if we’re still amongst it all! Can he just play one game for them , still qualify for national service exemption? |
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 11, 2024 14:30:34 GMT
Pete Smith saying he’d have to miss the final 3 games of this season for qualifiers. That would be an interesting decision for the Club if we’re still amongst it all! Can he just play one game for them , still qualify for national service exemption? I think he has to win a medal |
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Mar 11, 2024 15:12:43 GMT
Can he just play one game for them , still qualify for national service exemption? I think he has to win a medal I've got a Bridgnorth 5 a side league, challenge cup 3rd place medal from 1996, would that count. I don't mind posting it to him |
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Mar 11, 2024 15:16:24 GMT
Pete Smith saying he’d have to miss the final 3 games of this season for qualifiers. That would be an interesting decision for the Club if we’re still amongst it all! Bugger that. Surely we can't let him go if we're still in the shit???? |
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Post by jeycov on Mar 11, 2024 15:39:50 GMT
Pete Smith saying he’d have to miss the final 3 games of this season for qualifiers. That would be an interesting decision for the Club if we’re still amongst it all! Bugger that. Surely we can't let him go if we're still in the shit???? Another incentive to be safe by then |
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Mar 11, 2024 16:38:22 GMT
Harry Kane has a brilliant career scoring 213 goals in 317 games for spurs, 27 goals in 24 games for Bayern and 62 goals in 89 games for England. But he has 1 Runner Up Medal in the Euros to show for it. Bojan played his first game for Barcelona at 17 years old and his last at 20 years old. Capped once for Spain. He was tipped to become greater than Messi (scored 672 goals for Barca and the list of honors is too long to list here) and ended up achieving next to nothing for the rest of his career. At age 29, he could not get into Stoke City team regularly. What could he have become??? Better than Messi, if he had the mettle. What did he become??? A mere fraction of what his skill deserved. You're missing the point. The arguement is Bae is better than Bojan. At this point in time that is a quite ridiculous statement. No if and no buts... Didn't bojan also have severe mental health / anxiety issues that throttle any opportunity to display his obvious talents? He really did have it all at his feet but mentally collapsed. I'm sure he said as such and it wasn't until he came to Stoke (and was very open about the positive influence that the club was for him) that he was able to start to grow his confidence again until his injury. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 11, 2024 16:47:34 GMT
You're missing the point. The arguement is Bae is better than Bojan. At this point in time that is a quite ridiculous statement. No if and no buts... Didn't bojan also have severe mental health / anxiety issues that throttle any opportunity to display his obvious talents? He really did have it all at his feet but mentally collapsed. I'm sure he said as such and it wasn't until he came to Stoke (and was very open about the positive influence that the club was for him) that he was able to start to grow his confidence again until his injury. Don't know the full story but I guess he just became victim to the pressures young lads face in billion dollar football industry. Being sent out on loan, being young and dealing with a lot of change often alone and without calming influences etc. His injury with us was a real blow to his revival. A sad tale but he did better than most pros over a short period. And he undoubtedly had everything in his locker to have been up there with some of the best around. But he's far from the only one.. |
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Post by swampmongrel on Mar 11, 2024 17:33:31 GMT
I still wish we’d play him as a number 10. Seems such a waste out wide. Didn't Shumacher address that after the match. Said something along the lines of what a fighter he was and he was so enthusiastic he would pop up all over the pitch trying to win the ball back which just ruined the shape and confused the rest of the team leaving gaps every where. With his English still not being that good it is easier to get him to understand his role out wide where when defending he just watches his full back. How do you say “just be mint and score a load of goals” in Korean? Google Translate might help🤔 |
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Post by clarkeda on Mar 11, 2024 19:19:54 GMT
I still wish we’d play him as a number 10. Seems such a waste out wide. In an interview he’s mentioned his favourite position is on the wing. |
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Post by i1da on Mar 11, 2024 20:28:26 GMT
Harry Kane has a brilliant career scoring 213 goals in 317 games for spurs, 27 goals in 24 games for Bayern and 62 goals in 89 games for England. But he has 1 Runner Up Medal in the Euros to show for it. Bojan played his first game for Barcelona at 17 years old and his last at 20 years old. Capped once for Spain. He was tipped to become greater than Messi (scored 672 goals for Barca and the list of honors is too long to list here) and ended up achieving next to nothing for the rest of his career. At age 29, he could not get into Stoke City team regularly. What could he have become??? Better than Messi, if he had the mettle. What did he become??? A mere fraction of what his skill deserved. You're missing the point. The arguement is Bae is better than Bojan. At this point in time that is a quite ridiculous statement. No if and no buts... That might be your argument initially, but you asked the question "What could he have become?" and above is my response. The argument about who is/was/will be better is a mindless mental chewing gum exercise. No one knows. What we do know is certain footballers never reach the heights that experts predict they will reach. Bojan was one of them (and he is in illustrious company). |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Mar 11, 2024 21:23:05 GMT
Missing 3 games this season would be a big blow
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 11, 2024 22:40:55 GMT
You're missing the point. The arguement is Bae is better than Bojan. At this point in time that is a quite ridiculous statement. No if and no buts... That might be your argument initially, but you asked the question "What could he have become?" and above is my response. The argument about who is/was/will be better is a mindless mental chewing gum exercise. No one knows. What we do know is certain footballers never reach the heights that experts predict they will reach. Bojan was one of them (and he is in illustrious company). We'll know when Bae is at the end of his career surely. And if he's spent it all in the lower leagues then the answer is obvious 👍 |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2024 23:33:37 GMT
Pete Smith saying he’d have to miss the final 3 games of this season for qualifiers. That would be an interesting decision for the Club if we’re still amongst it all! Bugger that. Surely we can't let him go if we're still in the shit???? Are we allowed to block it? I imagine that would be a very hard one for Bae. He seems a very loyal player and I would be angry but wouldn’t begrudge him if he went to play for his country despite the relegation fight. |
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Post by gaznandi on Mar 14, 2024 19:38:27 GMT
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Post by yellowsnowman on Mar 14, 2024 19:50:01 GMT
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Post by a on Mar 14, 2024 19:52:58 GMT
Pete Smith saying he’d have to miss the final 3 games of this season for qualifiers. That would be an interesting decision for the Club if we’re still amongst it all! Schumacher couldn’t stop him without being unfair, given that Junior went on tour. It will be a huge loss though and I hope he stays. |
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Post by jokker on Mar 14, 2024 20:03:40 GMT
Pete Smith saying he’d have to miss the final 3 games of this season for qualifiers. That would be an interesting decision for the Club if we’re still amongst it all! Bugger that. Surely we can't let him go if we're still in the shit???? Clubs aren't forced to release players for the Olympic Games like they are for the Asian and African Cups. However the question is what Bae wants? To refer to some precedence. Barcelona released Messi for the Games one time (can't remember which Games), even though he then missed some league games (can't remember how many). Brazilian players were released by their respective clubs, because playing for their country means so much for them. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 14, 2024 20:27:18 GMT
Bugger that. Surely we can't let him go if we're still in the shit???? Clubs aren't forced to release players for the Olympic Games like they are for the Asian and African Cups. However the question is what Bae wants? To refer to some precedence. Barcelona released Messi for the Games one time (can't remember which Games), even though he then missed some league games (can't remember how many). Brazilian players were released by their respective clubs, because playing for their country means so much for them. It's not the actual games though is it? The games aren't until July. It's some of the warm up friendlies he'd be asking to be released for isn't it? |
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 14, 2024 21:20:58 GMT
In his question and answer section yesterday Peter Smith said Junho would play for the u21 Korean team next week but would not be allowed to play in the Olympic qualifiers in May unless Stoke were definitely safe. He would be able to play in the Olympics should Korea qualify and he be picked. I think he implied that Junho and Korea were aware of this.
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Post by jokker on Mar 15, 2024 12:39:15 GMT
Clubs aren't forced to release players for the Olympic Games like they are for the Asian and African Cups. However the question is what Bae wants? To refer to some precedence. Barcelona released Messi for the Games one time (can't remember which Games), even though he then missed some league games (can't remember how many). Brazilian players were released by their respective clubs, because playing for their country means so much for them. It's not the actual games though is it? The games aren't until July. It's some of the warm up friendlies he'd be asking to be released for isn't it? If he doesn't play in the warm up games, he might not be selected for the Games, because the someone, whoever that is, that replace him might do so well that Bae - out of sight, out of mind - won't be selected for the Games. So Bae might have to ask himself if he wants to take the chance. The Olympics only come once for most footballers (maybe twice for those that can be selected at 18 and 22), unless they're selected as one of the o-23s. So there might be some thinking and weighing things up for the lad. The Koreans could make the choice easy for him by letting him know in private that whatever happens he will be selected for the Games, but whether they consider him important enough for that kind of promise, I don't know. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 15, 2024 13:19:36 GMT
It's not the actual games though is it? The games aren't until July. It's some of the warm up friendlies he'd be asking to be released for isn't it? If he doesn't play in the warm up games, he might not be selected for the Games, because the someone, whoever that is, that replace him might do so well that Bae - out of sight, out of mind - won't be selected for the Games. So Bae might have to ask himself if he wants to take the chance. The Olympics only come once for most footballers (maybe twice for those that can be selected at 18 and 22), unless they're selected as one of the o-23s. So there might be some thinking and weighing things up for the lad. The Koreans could make the choice easy for him by letting him know in private that whatever happens he will be selected for the Games, but whether they consider him important enough for that kind of promise, I don't know. I get all that but if we're in the position of needing to get points out of those last 3 games then there would be all hell up, especially on here, if we let one of our best and in form players swan off to play a couple of friendlies in the hope that he can play in the Olympics. I assume he'd have no guarantee of being picked anyway? As you say you would hope the club might be in contact with the Korean FA to explain the situation and to try and get a reassurance off them for the lad. Failing that I'm afraid it's tough. As others have said we pay his wages and our need would be greater than his or their's. Let's hope for the lad's sake, and ours, we're safe by then and he can go with our blessing. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 15, 2024 13:55:10 GMT
There's no way we're going to let him go if we're still in the thick of the relegation mix, is there? And that's definitely what Pete Smith was suggesting by the looks of it To what extent we'd have to be 100% home free mathematically to allow it, who knows? www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-ryan-mmaee-bae-junho-9163416Will Stoke release Bae Junho to play in Olympic qualifiers next month? My understanding is that Junho will go to play for South Korea under-23s in the international break but, unless Stoke’s circumstances dramatically change, he will stay to focus on keeping the club in the Championship next month rather than fly to Qatar for the Olympic qualifiers.He would probably miss the last three matches of the season if he went and South Korea will be understanding the situation. He’s an increasingly important player for Stoke, which is why he’s been called up in the first place. The Olympics themselves, if South Korea qualify, would be a different story even if Junho would miss the start of the 2024/25 season. Harry Souttar spoke so positively about his own experience at the last Olympics and that all played a major part in his development to become a £15 million player. |
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Post by plymouthpotter4 on Mar 15, 2024 14:11:54 GMT
Let's just make sure we're safe by then, we can send him off a hero and give young Griffiths some minutes instead. Jobs a goodun.
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Post by stokieben28 on Mar 15, 2024 16:48:25 GMT
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