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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 23, 2023 20:25:32 GMT
It's not worth getting into a conversation with you when you're in gaslighting mode. Yes, I agree- we should have pressed a button in May and all the players should have been teleported here in time for pre-season. Shame on us. Booooooo. We could have signed Rob Dickie and Tyler Roberts early in, come on. Scholes out I mean Hoever Vidigal Pearson Rose Chiquinho McNally Mmaee all really could have been done quicker. None were replaced at their clubs etc. But it doesn’t matter now as long as it carries on working. |
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Post by Trouserdog on Aug 23, 2023 20:26:50 GMT
It's not worth getting into a conversation with you when you're in gaslighting mode. Yes, I agree- we should have pressed a button in May and all the players should have been teleported here in time for pre-season. Shame on us. Booooooo. I just think they’ve proven lots of us wrong. Including the people who said you cant do it in one window and were panicking after 6 transfers. Your argument is utter shite, they’ve done it in super quick time and it has been a bit like football manager with the speed they’ve got so many in. You were saying only about 4 posts ago that we should have done all this business before pre-season, were you not? As if it's as easy as just pressing a button, which it clearly isn't. Some deals can be done quickly, sure- others take a long time and are complicated. This is what you don't seem to grasp- that real life is not a computer game. |
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Post by Trouserdog on Aug 23, 2023 20:28:22 GMT
We could have signed Rob Dickie and Tyler Roberts early in, come on. Scholes out I mean Hoever Vidigal Pearson Rose Chiquinho McNally Mmaee all really could have been done quicker. None were replaced at their clubs etc. But it doesn’t matter now as long as it carries on working. You have absolutely no knowledge about the inner workings of a transfer and everything that's involved in it to make a comment on whether it could have been done faster or not. You talk absolute shite. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 23, 2023 20:30:18 GMT
I just think they’ve proven lots of us wrong. Including the people who said you cant do it in one window and were panicking after 6 transfers. Your argument is utter shite, they’ve done it in super quick time and it has been a bit like football manager with the speed they’ve got so many in. You were saying only about 4 posts ago that we should have done all this business before pre-season, were you not? As if it's as easy as just pressing a button, which it clearly isn't. Some deals can be done quickly, sure- others take a long time and are complicated. This is what you don't seem to grasp- that real life is not a computer game. I always think it should be done quicker and there’s about 6/7 that there weren’t seemingly good reasons for that. But overall they’ve done the business remarkably speedily and lots of it and lots more still to come. I do grasp it. I think Football Manager comparisons are always done lazily with little knowledge and show an ailing argument. They’ve turned 13/14 transfers around in a matter of months. Something a lot of people were scared about for some reason despite having a squad that had about 3 players worth keeping in. |
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Post by mrnovember on Aug 23, 2023 20:31:49 GMT
Because it's just so easy to go out and sign all the players you want at the touch of a button isn't it? Too much Football Manager. And a reminder that was it. And they’ve shown it’s damn easy when done right. And it’s proven many of us (me included) absolutely wrong. Yeah, I'm sure it's been a piece of piss. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 23, 2023 20:31:56 GMT
I mean Hoever Vidigal Pearson Rose Chiquinho McNally Mmaee all really could have been done quicker. None were replaced at their clubs etc. But it doesn’t matter now as long as it carries on working. You have absolutely no knowledge about the inner workings of a transfer and everything that's involved in it to make a comment on whether it could have been done faster or not. You talk absolute shite. I know enough. I know that doesn’t come from football manager and only lazy sods who don’t understand it use it as argument. Which is funny. Anyway. They’ve done a great job overall and proven most of us wrong for one reason or another. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 23, 2023 20:32:28 GMT
And a reminder that was it. And they’ve shown it’s damn easy when done right. And it’s proven many of us (me included) absolutely wrong. Yeah, I'm sure it's been a piece of piss. Me too when you work hard and do it right. |
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Post by lordb on Aug 23, 2023 20:34:47 GMT
We could have signed Rob Dickie and Tyler Roberts early in, come on. Scholes out I mean Hoever Vidigal Pearson Rose Chiquinho McNally Mmaee all really could have been done quicker. None were replaced at their clubs etc. But it doesn’t matter now as long as it carries on working. If it could have been done they would have done Alternatively they were twiddling their thumbs |
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Post by Trouserdog on Aug 23, 2023 20:39:47 GMT
You were saying only about 4 posts ago that we should have done all this business before pre-season, were you not? As if it's as easy as just pressing a button, which it clearly isn't. Some deals can be done quickly, sure- others take a long time and are complicated. This is what you don't seem to grasp- that real life is not a computer game. I always think it should be done quicker and there’s about 6/7 that there weren’t seemingly good reasons for that. But overall they’ve done the business remarkably speedily and lots of it and lots more still to come. I do grasp it. I think Football Manager comparisons are always done lazily with little knowledge and show an ailing argument. They’ve turned 13/14 transfers around in a matter of months. Something a lot of people were scared about for some reason despite having a squad that had about 3 players worth keeping in. What do you mean, little knowledge? I know exactly what Football Manager is, how it works and have played it for years. It's an absolutely gold mine of data and information. However, it isn't sophisticated enough to replicate the human element of complex transfers. You seem to think that everything in real life literally works like it does in a game. Again, 'the seemingly good reasons' could actually be numerous reasons that you or I know fuck all about. Players could have other potential deals lined up; agents might be trying to squeeze more money out of us; a player might have some family issue going on. We are not party to enough knowledge to make statements about whether deals should have been done quicker. On one hand you're acknowledging that the amount of transfer business we've done is an achievement (it is) but then on the other seem to be moaning (shock, horror) that it wasn't done faster. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 23, 2023 20:41:43 GMT
I always think it should be done quicker and there’s about 6/7 that there weren’t seemingly good reasons for that. But overall they’ve done the business remarkably speedily and lots of it and lots more still to come. I do grasp it. I think Football Manager comparisons are always done lazily with little knowledge and show an ailing argument. They’ve turned 13/14 transfers around in a matter of months. Something a lot of people were scared about for some reason despite having a squad that had about 3 players worth keeping in. What do you mean, little knowledge? I know exactly what Football Manager is, how it works and have played it for years. It's an absolutely gold mine of data and information. However, it isn't sophisticated enough to replicate the human element of complex transfers. You seem to think that everything in real life literally works like it does in a game. Again, 'the seemingly good reasons' could actually be numerous reasons that you or I know fuck all about. Players could have other potential deals lined up; agents might be trying to squeeze more money out of us; a player might have some family issue going on. We are not party to enough knowledge to make statements about whether deals should have been done quicker. On one hand you're acknowledging that the amount of transfer business we've done is an achievement (it is) but then on the other seem to be moaning (shock, horror) that it wasn't done faster. No shit. So why bring it up? Sheer laziness. |
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Post by Trouserdog on Aug 23, 2023 20:45:16 GMT
What do you mean, little knowledge? I know exactly what Football Manager is, how it works and have played it for years. It's an absolutely gold mine of data and information. However, it isn't sophisticated enough to replicate the human element of complex transfers. You seem to think that everything in real life literally works like it does in a game. Again, 'the seemingly good reasons' could actually be numerous reasons that you or I know fuck all about. Players could have other potential deals lined up; agents might be trying to squeeze more money out of us; a player might have some family issue going on. We are not party to enough knowledge to make statements about whether deals should have been done quicker. On one hand you're acknowledging that the amount of transfer business we've done is an achievement (it is) but then on the other seem to be moaning (shock, horror) that it wasn't done faster. No shit. So why bring it up? Sheer laziness. What sort of stupid response is that? Clueless. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2023 20:46:14 GMT
No shit. So why bring it up? Sheer laziness. What sort of stupid response is that? Clueless. You had may as well spend your time banging your head against a brick wall. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 23, 2023 20:49:11 GMT
No shit. So why bring it up? Sheer laziness. What sort of stupid response is that? Clueless. It’s the response of someone who doesn’t know why people bring it up when it’s totally irrelevant. It’s a completely lazy arsed argument. Always has been, always will be. For the very reasons you have stated! |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 23, 2023 20:50:21 GMT
What sort of stupid response is that? Clueless. You had may as well spend your time banging your head against a brick wall. I’ve never mentioned Football Manager. He’s made shit up because he doesn’t have a valid argument. It’s laughable. |
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Post by itsmorethanagame on Aug 23, 2023 20:53:26 GMT
Sounds a really promising player. Feels greedy but let’s hope we can get this one signed and sealed. Looks to be the type of player who will get you out of your seat.
A truly bonkers window
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Post by Trouserdog on Aug 23, 2023 20:57:23 GMT
You had may as well spend your time banging your head against a brick wall. I’ve never mentioned Football Manager. He’s made shit up because he doesn’t have a valid argument. It’s laughable. There's only one thing laughable here, and that's you trying to gaslight everybody to try and distract from making ridiculous statements about how fast transfers should be done. 'I know enough' Fuck off do you. You get some bits of inside information about who we're after now and again- big deal. You're not there with Jared Dublin are you doing the actual negotiating? Based on what you're saying here though, perhaps you should be? You'd be getting all these deals over the line in super-quick time by pressing a button on your mouse while our recruitment team just sit with their thumbs up their arses wasting time. 'Aw, fucking hell chaps, it was a piece of piss all along. We've wasted weeks on this transfer and all we had to do was click the 'continue' button. Thanks, bayern, you've shown us the way.' |
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Post by MilanStokie on Aug 23, 2023 21:05:05 GMT
Those that stubbornly refuse to see see and acknowledge when they are mistaken have often spent all their life running away from some kind of insecurity...the ego protects itself in all kinds of strange ways My first post on this matter is me praising them and saying they’ve proven me wrong. I think the nonsense about it not being able to do it one window because it’s not football manager has been blown up too. They absolutely have done that. Trousers’ argument is complete shite. Just like mine was at the start of the window. We knew we needed 12-14 players before the end of last season. It needed to be done, whether a slower process or fast. As has been pointed out to you several dozen times, these deals are not as simple as you think. For example, it was highly unlikely Burger or Mmaee would have been here until it was clear how their clubs performed in their European prelims. Hiding behind false praise whilst still heavily criticising the club doesn't wash. People were knickerwetting (you included) because we hadn't signed half of these players before 10th July, back yourselves into a corner for nothing. Also I dont know why you are praising them, you said we needed 9-10 STARTING players, but we haven't dont that and unlikely will. Wilmot, Hoever, Stevens, Johnson, Laurent are all likely to play the majority of the minutes until at least January. What these signings represent is a bright future, with an eye for a profit and establishing our club as a place to develop for ambitious players outside the UK. |
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Post by MilanStokie on Aug 23, 2023 21:10:18 GMT
We could have signed Rob Dickie and Tyler Roberts early in, come on. Scholes out I mean Hoever Vidigal Pearson Rose Chiquinho McNally Mmaee all really could have been done quicker. None were replaced at their clubs etc. But it doesn’t matter now as long as it carries on working. How could you possibly know? Ferencvaros were in the Champions League qualifiers, it is no coincidence the move was sorted once they were eliminated. There was apparent interest from Luton for Pearson. Rose was a free agent and no doubt was weighing up whatever options he had. Loans don't tend to be the first signings made in any summer window. All extremely presumptuous. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2023 21:14:45 GMT
My first post on this matter is me praising them and saying they’ve proven me wrong. I think the nonsense about it not being able to do it one window because it’s not football manager has been blown up too. They absolutely have done that. Trousers’ argument is complete shite. Just like mine was at the start of the window. We knew we needed 12-14 players before the end of last season. It needed to be done, whether a slower process or fast. As has been pointed out to you several dozen times, these deals are not as simple as you think. For example, it was highly unlikely Burger or Mmaee would have been here until it was clear how their clubs performed in their European prelims. Hiding behind false praise whilst still heavily criticising the club doesn't wash. People were knickerwetting (you included) because we hadn't signed half of these players before 10th July, back yourselves into a corner for nothing. Also I dont know why you are praising them, you said we needed 9-10 STARTING players, but we haven't dont that and unlikely will. Wilmot, Hoever, Stevens, Johnson, Laurent are all likely to play the majority of the minutes until at least January. What these signings represent is a bright future, with an eye for a profit and establishing our club as a place to develop for ambitious players outside the UK. Nobody backed themselves into a corner and nobody was knicker wetting. I too was very critical and with the same wind would be exactly the same again if it was replayed. Outside of the hindsight henry "It'll be alright on the night" routine that many trotted out I didn't see much in the way of anyone spelling out how or why it would be alright? The harsh truth is anyone with half a brain cell was worried about a club needing 12+ players off the back of 6 years of absolutely shite recruitment. Some were prepared to put their thoughts down on screen, others chose to stay quiet and hope. Not one person predicted we'd appoint a bona fide recruitment specialist like this and go marauding around Europe and beyond like a spotty teenager playing Football Manager whilst smacked off his tits on Red Bull. |
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Post by Trouserdog on Aug 23, 2023 21:16:30 GMT
We knew we needed 12-14 players before the end of last season. It needed to be done, whether a slower process or fast. As has been pointed out to you several dozen times, these deals are not as simple as you think. For example, it was highly unlikely Burger or Mmaee would have been here until it was clear how their clubs performed in their European prelims. Hiding behind false praise whilst still heavily criticising the club doesn't wash. People were knickerwetting (you included) because we hadn't signed half of these players before 10th July, back yourselves into a corner for nothing. Also I dont know why you are praising them, you said we needed 9-10 STARTING players, but we haven't dont that and unlikely will. Wilmot, Hoever, Stevens, Johnson, Laurent are all likely to play the majority of the minutes until at least January. What these signings represent is a bright future, with an eye for a profit and establishing our club as a place to develop for ambitious players outside the UK. Nobody backed themselves into a corner and nobody was knicker wetting. I too was very critical and with the same wind would be exactly the same again if it was replayed. Outside of the hindsight henry "It'll be alright on the night" routine that many trotted out I didn't see much in the way of anyone spelling out how or why it would be alright? The harsh truth is anyone with half a brain cell was worried about a club needing 12+ players off the back of 6 years of absolutely shite recruitment. Some were prepared to put their thoughts down on screen, others chose to stay quiet and hope. Not one person predicted we'd appoint a bona fide recruitment specialist like this and go marauding around Europe and beyond like a spotty teenager playing Football Manager whilst smacked off his tits on Red Bull. Don't mention Football Manager! I mentioned it once, but I think I got away with it. |
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Post by thepottypotter on Aug 23, 2023 21:17:38 GMT
We knew we needed 12-14 players before the end of last season. It needed to be done, whether a slower process or fast. As has been pointed out to you several dozen times, these deals are not as simple as you think. For example, it was highly unlikely Burger or Mmaee would have been here until it was clear how their clubs performed in their European prelims. Hiding behind false praise whilst still heavily criticising the club doesn't wash. People were knickerwetting (you included) because we hadn't signed half of these players before 10th July, back yourselves into a corner for nothing. Also I dont know why you are praising them, you said we needed 9-10 STARTING players, but we haven't dont that and unlikely will. Wilmot, Hoever, Stevens, Johnson, Laurent are all likely to play the majority of the minutes until at least January. What these signings represent is a bright future, with an eye for a profit and establishing our club as a place to develop for ambitious players outside the UK. Nobody backed themselves into a corner and nobody was knicker wetting. I too was very critical and with the same wind would be exactly the same again if it was replayed. Outside of the hindsight henry "It'll be alright on the night" routine that many trotted out I didn't see much in the way of anyone spelling out how or why it would be alright? The harsh truth is anyone with half a brain cell was worried about a club needing 12+ players off the back of 6 years of absolutely shite recruitment. Some were prepared to put their thoughts down on screen, others chose to stay quiet and hope. Not one person predicted we'd appoint a bona fide recruitment specialist like this and go marauding around Europe and beyond like a spotty teenager playing Football Manager whilst smacked off his tits on Red Bull. That closing sentence is hilarious. My favourite of this transfer window.  |
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Post by mrnovember on Aug 23, 2023 21:19:09 GMT
I mean Hoever Vidigal Pearson Rose Chiquinho McNally Mmaee all really could have been done quicker. None were replaced at their clubs etc. But it doesn’t matter now as long as it carries on working. How could you possibly know? Ferencvaros were in the Champions League qualifiers, it is no coincidence the move was sorted once they were eliminated. There was apparent interest from Luton for Pearson. Rose was a free agent and no doubt was weighing up whatever options he had. Loans don't tend to be the first signings made in any summer window. All extremely presumptuous. He couldn't possibly know. But it's a very convenient 'I told you so' stick with which to beat the club with when we lose a few or fail to get promoted. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 23, 2023 21:19:34 GMT
My first post on this matter is me praising them and saying they’ve proven me wrong. I think the nonsense about it not being able to do it one window because it’s not football manager has been blown up too. They absolutely have done that. Trousers’ argument is complete shite. Just like mine was at the start of the window. We knew we needed 12-14 players before the end of last season. It needed to be done, whether a slower process or fast. As has been pointed out to you several dozen times, these deals are not as simple as you think. For example, it was highly unlikely Burger or Mmaee would have been here until it was clear how their clubs performed in their European prelims. Hiding behind false praise whilst still heavily criticising the club doesn't wash. People were knickerwetting (you included) because we hadn't signed half of these players before 10th July, back yourselves into a corner for nothing. Also I dont know why you are praising them, you said we needed 9-10 STARTING players, but we haven't dont that and unlikely will. Wilmot, Hoever, Stevens, Johnson, Laurent are all likely to play the majority of the minutes until at least January. What these signings represent is a bright future, with an eye for a profit and establishing our club as a place to develop for ambitious players outside the UK. No one was knicker wetting. And that’s all that needs to be said on matter after the onlookers post. Johnson and Laurent should be nowhere near this side btw. Johnson on the bench. Laurent will hopefully cry about going back south and be fucked off sharpish. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 23, 2023 21:20:16 GMT
How could you possibly know? Ferencvaros were in the Champions League qualifiers, it is no coincidence the move was sorted once they were eliminated. There was apparent interest from Luton for Pearson. Rose was a free agent and no doubt was weighing up whatever options he had. Loans don't tend to be the first signings made in any summer window. All extremely presumptuous. He couldn't possibly know. But it's a very convenient 'I told you so' stick with which to beat the club with when we lose a few or fail to get promoted. Finishing in the top half will be a good achievement from where we started. Convenient indeed. 🤦♂️ More made up shite. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2023 21:22:06 GMT
Nobody backed themselves into a corner and nobody was knicker wetting. I too was very critical and with the same wind would be exactly the same again if it was replayed. Outside of the hindsight henry "It'll be alright on the night" routine that many trotted out I didn't see much in the way of anyone spelling out how or why it would be alright? The harsh truth is anyone with half a brain cell was worried about a club needing 12+ players off the back of 6 years of absolutely shite recruitment. Some were prepared to put their thoughts down on screen, others chose to stay quiet and hope. Not one person predicted we'd appoint a bona fide recruitment specialist like this and go marauding around Europe and beyond like a spotty teenager playing Football Manager whilst smacked off his tits on Red Bull. Don't mention Football Manager! I mentioned it once, but I think I got away with it. 😂 FWIW I think you're both right. Your point about it being a great resource I've championed for years. It is. I always use it to cross reference players and really enjoy seeing how accurate the ratings are in real life. Bayern is also right when he says it's a crap argument that football professionals have started to use to try and shut down debate from non football professionals in press conferences when they are feeling a bit of pressure. It's a garbage argument IMO and a bit naughty from an industry that ironically is starting to use it more and more as a tool to help them. In our case, I think it's a massive relief that we seem to have come through a late rebuild with a very decent points return early doors, which can only help in the mid to long term. I still maintain it could have gone horribly wrong. Thank god it hasn't. |
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Post by mrnovember on Aug 23, 2023 21:30:36 GMT
He couldn't possibly know. But it's a very convenient 'I told you so' stick with which to beat the club with when we lose a few or fail to get promoted. Finishing in the top half will be a good achievement from where we started. Convenient indeed. 🤦♂️ More made up shite. I'll hold you to that. |
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Post by MilanStokie on Aug 23, 2023 21:30:56 GMT
We knew we needed 12-14 players before the end of last season. It needed to be done, whether a slower process or fast. As has been pointed out to you several dozen times, these deals are not as simple as you think. For example, it was highly unlikely Burger or Mmaee would have been here until it was clear how their clubs performed in their European prelims. Hiding behind false praise whilst still heavily criticising the club doesn't wash. People were knickerwetting (you included) because we hadn't signed half of these players before 10th July, back yourselves into a corner for nothing. Also I dont know why you are praising them, you said we needed 9-10 STARTING players, but we haven't dont that and unlikely will. Wilmot, Hoever, Stevens, Johnson, Laurent are all likely to play the majority of the minutes until at least January. What these signings represent is a bright future, with an eye for a profit and establishing our club as a place to develop for ambitious players outside the UK. Nobody backed themselves into a corner and nobody was knicker wetting. I too was very critical and with the same wind would be exactly the same again if it was replayed. Outside of the hindsight henry "It'll be alright on the night" routine that many trotted out I didn't see much in the way of anyone spelling out how or why it would be alright? The harsh truth is anyone with half a brain cell was worried about a club needing 12+ players off the back of 6 years of absolutely shite recruitment. Some were prepared to put their thoughts down on screen, others chose to stay quiet and hope. Not one person predicted we'd appoint a bona fide recruitment specialist like this and go marauding around Europe and beyond like a spotty teenager playing Football Manager whilst smacked off his tits on Red Bull. Of course no one could have predicted this, but it was ridiculous for people to get hysterical because we hadn't made multiple signings by the first week of July. It made sense to have some patience and see how it unfolded. Had we entered August with little action then fine, fire away. It was all just unnecessary really... |
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Post by nottsover60 on Aug 23, 2023 21:31:34 GMT
We could have signed Rob Dickie and Tyler Roberts early in, come on. Scholes out I mean Hoever Vidigal Pearson Rose Chiquinho McNally Mmaee all really could have been done quicker. None were replaced at their clubs etc. But it doesn’t matter now as long as it carries on working. Jared wasn't appointed until something like the 26th June. Rose and Stevens were our first signings about a week later Pearson few days later, then come the middle of July there was a steady stream. I don't know how much more quickly we could have worked. |
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Post by dirtclod on Aug 23, 2023 21:33:28 GMT
I'll admit to being concerned and seriously considered full-on knicker-wetting.
Onlooker made it worth coming in here today just to read about the spotty teenager!
A masterful sentence.
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Post by MilanStokie on Aug 23, 2023 21:34:02 GMT
We knew we needed 12-14 players before the end of last season. It needed to be done, whether a slower process or fast. As has been pointed out to you several dozen times, these deals are not as simple as you think. For example, it was highly unlikely Burger or Mmaee would have been here until it was clear how their clubs performed in their European prelims. Hiding behind false praise whilst still heavily criticising the club doesn't wash. People were knickerwetting (you included) because we hadn't signed half of these players before 10th July, back yourselves into a corner for nothing. Also I dont know why you are praising them, you said we needed 9-10 STARTING players, but we haven't dont that and unlikely will. Wilmot, Hoever, Stevens, Johnson, Laurent are all likely to play the majority of the minutes until at least January. What these signings represent is a bright future, with an eye for a profit and establishing our club as a place to develop for ambitious players outside the UK. No one was knicker wetting. And that’s all that needs to be said on matter after the onlookers post. Johnson and Laurent should be nowhere near this side btw. Johnson on the bench. Laurent will hopefully cry about going back south and be fucked off sharpish. You keep harping on about people making up shit, yet you are claiming people weren't knicker wetting... Just go back and read the transfer thread between 15th of June and 15th July. There were loads saying we won't sign anyone and relegation looms, there were suggestions of resigning clucas in desperation. All very pathetic, but pretty normal behaviour from certain folk, you included. |
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