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Post by shakermaker on Jul 18, 2024 12:42:42 GMT
So what? Feyenoord not liking the price is very much their problem. The top young Championship players go for 15-25+ million (look at Ipswich). If Feyenoord don't want to pay that much now, that's completely fine because a Premier League club will next year. Bae hasn't done anywhere near enough to be a 15-25M player. That's your Jack Clarke's and Gabriel Sara's of this world. Players that have walked the walk in this league. He's got great potential for sure but if the end game is nigh then we aren't getting that level of finance for potential. That's where the sell on clause comes in. Just for context, last August Alex Scott at nearly 20 y/o went to Bournemouth for roughly £19.8M, having come off the back of scoring only 2 goals and 5 assists, with under 2 years left on his contract. Bae has the same stats as Scott, has an extra year left on his deal, and in my opinion is the better player. Champions League courter or not, it is absolute madness and dereliction of duty to even consider letting him go for less than £20M in the current market. If he has a release clause, fair enough. If not, we need to stand our ground. Either they pay up his value or offer us a player in exchange. I doubt Bae is the kind of person to kick up a stink, but if he really wants to go, make him hand in a transfer request first so he foregoes his 'loyalty' bonus. |
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 18, 2024 12:44:07 GMT
Bae hasn't done anywhere near enough to be a 15-25M player. That's your Jack Clarke's and Gabriel Sara's of this world. Players that have walked the walk in this league. He's got great potential for sure but if the end game is nigh then we aren't getting that level of finance for potential. That's where the sell on clause comes in. Just for context, last August Alex Scott at nearly 20 y/o went to Bournemouth for roughly £19.8M, having come off the back of scoring only 2 goals and 5 assists, with under 2 years left on his contract. Bae has the same stats as Scott, has an extra year left on his deal, and in my opinion is the better player. Champions League courter or not, it is absolute madness and dereliction of duty to even consider letting him go for less than £20M in the current market. If he has a release clause, fair enough. If not, we need to stand our ground. Either they pay up his value or offer us a player in exchange. I doubt Bae is the kind of person to kick up a stink, but if he really wants to go, make him hand in a transfer request first so he foregoes his 'loyalty' bonus. Bae isn’t HG though. So you can take 25% off straight away. |
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Post by questionable on Jul 18, 2024 12:45:26 GMT
I think he’ll only go “this season” if stoke are willing to cash in now, he comes across as a very humble young man and knows where his future lies.
At the end of the day what will be will be and we go from there
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Post by shakermaker on Jul 18, 2024 13:10:45 GMT
Just for context, last August Alex Scott at nearly 20 y/o went to Bournemouth for roughly £19.8M, having come off the back of scoring only 2 goals and 5 assists, with under 2 years left on his contract. Bae has the same stats as Scott, has an extra year left on his deal, and in my opinion is the better player. Champions League courter or not, it is absolute madness and dereliction of duty to even consider letting him go for less than £20M in the current market. If he has a release clause, fair enough. If not, we need to stand our ground. Either they pay up his value or offer us a player in exchange. I doubt Bae is the kind of person to kick up a stink, but if he really wants to go, make him hand in a transfer request first so he foregoes his 'loyalty' bonus. Bae isn’t HG though. So you can take 25% off straight away. Didn't think of that. With 25% off (and the 3 years he still has left on his contract) you're still probably looking at around £16.5M. We really mustn't undersell ourselves. Bae is critical for us, and losing him without a suitable replacement probably kills our chances of reaching the playoffs. |
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jul 18, 2024 13:28:03 GMT
I would be very surprised if he goes, I don’t think he will be interested in moving countries again so soon, to learn another language and when has just settled here. I don’t think the club are in any rush to sell either, nor do we need to.
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Post by Biblical on Jul 18, 2024 13:41:13 GMT
I get the financial implications and the "business model". But fucking hell if we really want to progress as a team then WE DO NOT SELL OUR BEST PLAYER. So fuck off Feyenoord, fuckety fuck off is what we should be telling them now, WE WILL NOT SELL!!!!!!!!! If the money is right, and only if, then it’s absolutely right that we sell him and reinvest the money elsewhere. It’s exactly why we’ve bought him in. We’ve seen a developing talent, taken a risk and will get rewarded for it. If he did well he was never going to stay here long term. Buying and selling players like Bae for profit is also the best chance we’ve got to invest money in the team with the current FFP restraints. |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 18, 2024 13:43:23 GMT
I would be very surprised if he goes, I don’t think he will be interested in moving countries again so soon, to learn another language and when has just settled here. I don’t think the club are in any rush to sell either, nor do we need to. In fairness, do players learn Dutch when they go over there? English is so common I don't think so. |
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jul 18, 2024 13:48:26 GMT
I would be very surprised if he goes, I don’t think he will be interested in moving countries again so soon, to learn another language and when has just settled here. I don’t think the club are in any rush to sell either, nor do we need to. In fairness, do players learn Dutch when they go over there? English is so common I don't think so. Fair point, suppose it would help though. |
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Post by Los Alfareros on Jul 18, 2024 16:31:40 GMT
I get the financial implications and the "business model". But fucking hell if we really want to progress as a team then WE DO NOT SELL OUR BEST PLAYER. So fuck off Feyenoord, fuckety fuck off is what we should be telling them now, WE WILL NOT SELL!!!!!!!!! If the money is right, and only if, then it’s absolutely right that we sell him and reinvest the money elsewhere. It’s exactly why we’ve bought him in. We’ve seen a developing talent, taken a risk and will get rewarded for it. If he did well he was never going to stay here long term. Buying and selling players like Bae for profit is also the best chance we’ve got to invest money in the team with the current FFP restraints. Yeh mate I do get it, but I am a footy fan not an economist, and really all we want is to watch brilliant players turning out for Stoke to give us some enjoyment and maybe another shot at the big time. I will say this, if we just sell any decent player at the first offer then we may become a "sustainable" club, but how fucking boring is that? I don't want us to be sustainable, I want us to be fucking magic!!!! |
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 18, 2024 17:34:38 GMT
Bae isn’t HG though. So you can take 25% off straight away. Didn't think of that. With 25% off (and the 3 years he still has left on his contract) you're still probably looking at around £16.5M. We really mustn't undersell ourselves. Bae is critical for us, and losing him without a suitable replacement probably kills our chances of reaching the playoffs. I totally agree. I would also argue that Scott and Bae play different positions. Isn’t Scott more of an 8/10. Whereas Bae is a forward/10. I can see why £12m+ unlocks the sale. Whether we like it or not, the key now is to have someone else come in who does the same job (or ideally better) for similar outlay (as Bae was originally). I honestly would be looking very closely at the Scandinavian, Eastern European and Asian markets. I’d love us to sign Krijistan Lovric as a Bae replacement. He’s basically a budget Arnie. |
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Post by bertiestan on Jul 18, 2024 17:47:55 GMT
Had a feeling that Nike announcement would stir shit up🔴⚪️
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Post by biglad180 on Jul 18, 2024 18:02:59 GMT
sunderland have slapped a £20million price tag on centre back Dan Ballard Feyenoord offer 9 million euro,s for Bae, laughable, we should be asking at leat the same as Sunderland or tell them look elsewhere
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Post by yellowsnowman on Jul 18, 2024 18:27:19 GMT
sunderland have slapped a £20million price tag on centre back Dan Ballard Feyenoord offer 9 million euro,s for Bae, laughable, we should be asking at leat the same as Sunderland or tell them look elsewhere Be nice to see us put a big price tag on his head in fairness. This or go away. |
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Post by sportsman on Jul 18, 2024 18:31:55 GMT
sunderland have slapped a £20million price tag on centre back Dan Ballard Feyenoord offer 9 million euro,s for Bae, laughable, we should be asking at leat the same as Sunderland or tell them look elsewhere I’ve said it so many times on here, we are seen as an easy touch when it comes to players being sold. It wouldn’t matter if we had that 17 year old Spanish lad here, we’d just accept whatever. Other clubs slap a big price tag on their players and that over time builds up a reputation to other clubs that if you want one of our players don’t be coming in with silly bids |
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Post by davethebass on Jul 18, 2024 18:47:36 GMT
If the money is right, and only if, then it’s absolutely right that we sell him and reinvest the money elsewhere. It’s exactly why we’ve bought him in. We’ve seen a developing talent, taken a risk and will get rewarded for it. If he did well he was never going to stay here long term. Buying and selling players like Bae for profit is also the best chance we’ve got to invest money in the team with the current FFP restraints. Yeh mate I do get it, but I am a footy fan not an economist, and really all we want is to watch brilliant players turning out for Stoke to give us some enjoyment and maybe another shot at the big time. I will say this, if we just sell any decent player at the first offer then we may become a "sustainable" club, but how fucking boring is that? I don't want us to be sustainable, I want us to be fucking magic!!!!I reckon we should sell him for five beans. Seriously though mate, I agree with you!! |
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Post by RF10 on Jul 18, 2024 18:50:46 GMT
I think if there was a release clause he would be gone by now providing it isn't stupid money.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2024 19:46:10 GMT
If the money is right, and only if, then it’s absolutely right that we sell him and reinvest the money elsewhere. It’s exactly why we’ve bought him in. We’ve seen a developing talent, taken a risk and will get rewarded for it. If he did well he was never going to stay here long term. Buying and selling players like Bae for profit is also the best chance we’ve got to invest money in the team with the current FFP restraints. Yeh mate I do get it, but I am a footy fan not an economist, and really all we want is to watch brilliant players turning out for Stoke to give us some enjoyment and maybe another shot at the big time. I will say this, if we just sell any decent player at the first offer then we may become a "sustainable" club, but how fucking boring is that? I don't want us to be sustainable, I want us to be fucking magic!!!! I suppose it depends how that “sustainable club” evolves. If there’s a long-term plan and it evolves in the way of Brighton/Brentford, I’d be fine with that. I don’t think we’ve got enough out of Bae to justify a fee he could well be worth yet anyways. We should hold onto him, facilitate his development and sell at the end of the next season. |
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Post by baconburger on Jul 18, 2024 19:54:45 GMT
Bae hasn't done anywhere near enough to be a 15-25M player. That's your Jack Clarke's and Gabriel Sara's of this world. Players that have walked the walk in this league. He's got great potential for sure but if the end game is nigh then we aren't getting that level of finance for potential. That's where the sell on clause comes in. Just for context, last August Alex Scott at nearly 20 y/o went to Bournemouth for roughly £19.8M, having come off the back of scoring only 2 goals and 5 assists, with under 2 years left on his contract. Bae has the same stats as Scott, has an extra year left on his deal, and in my opinion is the better player. Champions League courter or not, it is absolute madness and dereliction of duty to even consider letting him go for less than £20M in the current market. If he has a release clause, fair enough. If not, we need to stand our ground. Either they pay up his value or offer us a player in exchange. I doubt Bae is the kind of person to kick up a stink, but if he really wants to go, make him hand in a transfer request first so he foregoes his 'loyalty' bonus. Work out how much they might conceivably able to afford and slap £5/10M on top of it and hope they piss off. |
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Post by BuzzB on Jul 18, 2024 19:56:37 GMT
Stoke asking for 17m Euros, Twitter
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Post by baconburger on Jul 18, 2024 19:57:20 GMT
sunderland have slapped a £20million price tag on centre back Dan Ballard Feyenoord offer 9 million euro,s for Bae, laughable, we should be asking at leat the same as Sunderland or tell them look elsewhere It's the best way to do it. I think that way there's less chance of ending up with a sulky player. |
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Jul 18, 2024 19:58:01 GMT
Stoke asking for 17m Euros, Twitter That's more like it. Stil no though 🤣 |
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Post by baconburger on Jul 18, 2024 19:58:26 GMT
Stoke asking for 17m Euros, Twitter That's OK as long as they've only got €10M. |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 18, 2024 20:00:01 GMT
Stoke asking for 17m Euros, Twitter According to who, though? |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 18, 2024 20:00:35 GMT
A 16yo Belgian fantasist with a vivid imagination!
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 18, 2024 20:01:39 GMT
If the money is right, and only if, then it’s absolutely right that we sell him and reinvest the money elsewhere. It’s exactly why we’ve bought him in. We’ve seen a developing talent, taken a risk and will get rewarded for it. If he did well he was never going to stay here long term. Buying and selling players like Bae for profit is also the best chance we’ve got to invest money in the team with the current FFP restraints. Yeh mate I do get it, but I am a footy fan not an economist, and really all we want is to watch brilliant players turning out for Stoke to give us some enjoyment and maybe another shot at the big time. I will say this, if we just sell any decent player at the first offer then we may become a "sustainable" club, but how fucking boring is that? I don't want us to be sustainable, I want us to be fucking magic!!!! Well said pal. I started another thread with this feeling. How I used to love watching Ricky Fuller play. Just a few twists or turns, a little bit of magic dust in an otherwise dour game and I'd at least go home happy I'd seen a bit of the old magic. And for my money with Million and Bae we may well have 2 players dishing that up this season. I canny wait 🙏 |
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Post by emretezzy on Jul 18, 2024 20:02:14 GMT
A 16yo Belgian fantasist with a vivid imagination! Sounds about right though? |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 18, 2024 20:08:57 GMT
A 16yo Belgian fantasist with a vivid imagination! Sounds about right though? Idiotic to let him go this season. I'll be getting just stop oil down to block the A500 in a joint protest 😆 |
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Post by emretezzy on Jul 18, 2024 20:16:55 GMT
Sounds about right though? Idiotic to let him go this season. I'll be getting just stop oil down to block the A500 in a joint protest 😆 I like Bae but I don't think his OUTPUT is indispensable. We obviously won't be able sign a player as good but I'm sure we could get the 10/12 goals he would chip in with. |
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Post by baconburger on Jul 18, 2024 20:52:26 GMT
Idiotic to let him go this season. I'll be getting just stop oil down to block the A500 in a joint protest 😆 I like Bae but I don't think his OUTPUT is indispensable. We obviously won't be able sign a player as good but I'm sure we could get the 10/12 goals he would? chip in with. I mean I hope he'll get 10/12 goals but it would be a big improvement in end product. He certainly looked more goal hungry last night. Decision making on that shot or final ball was a bit too slow last season despite his very pleasing general play. |
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Post by etebojan on Jul 18, 2024 21:32:55 GMT
A 16yo Belgian fantasist with a vivid imagination! Sounds about right though? If we sold Bae for 17 million we could buy Cameron Archer and still have change for a Bae Mark II |
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