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Post by Abdoulaye25 on Jul 17, 2024 20:44:29 GMT
Spin it around. We're the team in Europe and we're linked with a 20 year old who has only played 38 games in England with just 2 goals to his name, for a team that was nearly relegated to the third tier having struggled for goals. Our club offer 8M and we hear from their fans that they want 15M. We side with our club citing 'hes only got potential up to this point and our club are taking a big risk. He's proven nothing. 8M is a more than fair offer' It cuts both ways. Truth is probably somewhere in the middle. So what? Feyenoord not liking the price is very much their problem. The top young Championship players go for 15-25+ million (look at Ipswich). If Feyenoord don't want to pay that much now, that's completely fine because a Premier League club will next year. |
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Post by nonameface on Jul 17, 2024 20:47:48 GMT
I really don’t understand those suggesting we should let him go simply because Feyenord are in the CL and we make a profit. The whole model of buying players, developing and selling them for a profit only works if the top few % of those players are sold for big money. We could reinvest all the £8m that some here would accept in four or five young players at £1/2m each, but the average will be a lot closer to Jojic than Bae. It’s as though we should play nicely and give Feyenoord exactly what they want without anyone outside the club knowing anything like the full picture. The tone of some posters implies that Stoke City have subscribed to this Brighton / Brentford model. Is it an assumption that that’s the way Stoke are operating or has it been officially announced anywhere? Or, is it simply the way those posters want the club to go? Who other than Brentford using this model have won promotion to the PL since Stoke entered the Championship? Is there anything to suggest that Brighton / Brentford have bent over and took it at the first sniff of interest in one of their players just so they can (supposedly) prevent a player from being unhappy and so they can gain a good reputation? Luton Norwich Sure there's more. You have to if you aren’t a parachute club. We missed our window. |
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Post by Marc01 on Jul 17, 2024 21:03:47 GMT
It’s as though we should play nicely and give Feyenoord exactly what they want without anyone outside the club knowing anything like the full picture. The tone of some posters implies that Stoke City have subscribed to this Brighton / Brentford model. Is it an assumption that that’s the way Stoke are operating or has it been officially announced anywhere? Or, is it simply the way those posters want the club to go? Who other than Brentford using this model have won promotion to the PL since Stoke entered the Championship? Is there anything to suggest that Brighton / Brentford have bent over and took it at the first sniff of interest in one of their players just so they can (supposedly) prevent a player from being unhappy and so they can gain a good reputation? Luton Norwich Sure there's more. You have to if you aren’t a parachute club. We missed our window. Nothing to suggest Luton have sold big other than a combined £10 million for 2 players, some three years prior to securing promotion: www.transfermarkt.co.uk/luton-town/rekordabgaenge/verein/1031 |
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Post by nonameface on Jul 17, 2024 21:12:30 GMT
Fair. I was definitely thinking about the two full backs., but also that they didn’t spend any real money, just kept turning profit (small) on their transfer windows, until the one where they went up when they incurred a loss. It’s good for us to sell players, even if it’s lower than we want (so long as we get future fees, and most importantly sign well again). |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2024 21:18:08 GMT
Spin it around. We're the team in Europe and we're linked with a 20 year old who has only played 38 games in England with just 2 goals to his name, for a team that was nearly relegated to the third tier having struggled for goals. Our club offer 8M and we hear from their fans that they want 15M. We side with our club citing 'hes only got potential up to this point and our club are taking a big risk. He's proven nothing. 8M is a more than fair offer' It cuts both ways. Truth is probably somewhere in the middle. So what? Feyenoord not liking the price is very much their problem. The top young Championship players go for 15-25+ million (look at Ipswich). If Feyenoord don't want to pay that much now, that's completely fine because a Premier League club will next year. Bae hasn't done anywhere near enough to be a 15-25M player. That's your Jack Clarke's and Gabriel Sara's of this world. Players that have walked the walk in this league. He's got great potential for sure but if the end game is nigh then we aren't getting that level of finance for potential. That's where the sell on clause comes in. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 17, 2024 21:39:02 GMT
Wonder if the money people have faith in our Bae. If they do then they should expect his value to rocket next season. If they think +£12m to his value is reasonable then holding must be a better bet than a new bunch. Factor a player who wants to leave into that equation and you have to just maximise the price and sell. And factor in who knows what has been written into the contract and you may have to sell anyway. Sure mate! Do we know what Bae wants? I'd like to think that we could persuade him it's a good deal to stay too. Time for our development folk to earn their salaries. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 17, 2024 21:40:06 GMT
I really don’t understand those suggesting we should let him go simply because Feyenord are in the CL and we make a profit. The whole model of buying players, developing and selling them for a profit only works if the top few % of those players are sold for big money. We could reinvest all the £8m that some here would accept in four or five young players at £1/2m each, but the average will be a lot closer to Jojic than Bae. Spin it around. We're the team in Europe and we're linked with a 20 year old who has only played 38 games in England with just 2 goals to his name, for a team that was nearly relegated to the third tier having struggled for goals. Our club offer 8M and we hear from their fans that they want 15M. We side with our club citing 'hes only got potential up to this point and our club are taking a big risk. He's proven nothing. 8M is a more than fair offer' It cuts both ways. Truth is probably somewhere in the middle. I hope Feyenoord react like that and decide to fuck off. Bae is lovely and I want him here! |
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Post by thornestein on Jul 17, 2024 21:53:37 GMT
It's simple isn't it? He's under contract till 2027. Pay up or Tra. it’s never that simple with players though , disgruntled players are no use to anyone |
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Post by bubbleblower on Jul 18, 2024 5:43:30 GMT
So the logic of some folk on this forum is that if a team that is in the CL wants to buy him they name the price and we just give it up.
Sounds a bit mental if that’s the case why don’t they offer 3mill or even less.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 18, 2024 6:07:17 GMT
It's simple isn't it? He's under contract till 2027. Pay up or Tra. it’s never that simple with players though , disgruntled players are no use to anyone Nzonzi wanted to leave most of the time he was and is about the best footballer I’ve watched for us. He will be fine I’m sure if we don’t get the price we want. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 18, 2024 6:43:26 GMT
it’s never that simple with players though , disgruntled players are no use to anyone Nzonzi wanted to leave most of the time he was and is about the best footballer I’ve watched for us. He will be fine I’m sure if we don’t get the price we want. I expect it depends on the character of the player. If they're vindictive and short sighted they might throw a strop. If they're either decent or can think of the future (or both!) they will play well for their current team. Otherwise they'll put off potential buyers. I have a feeling how our Bae would react 🤞 |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 18, 2024 6:48:42 GMT
Nzonzi wanted to leave most of the time he was and is about the best footballer I’ve watched for us. He will be fine I’m sure if we don’t get the price we want. I expect it depends on the character of the player. If they're vindictive and short sighted they might throw a strop. If they're either decent or can think of the future (or both!) they will play well for their current team. Otherwise they'll put off potential buyers. I have a feeling how our Bae would react 🤞 He’d almost certainly just crack on. |
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Post by RF10 on Jul 18, 2024 7:00:52 GMT
It's simple isn't it? He's under contract till 2027. Pay up or Tra. it’s never that simple with players though , disgruntled players are no use to anyone I doubt he would be disgruntled. He doesn't come across as a player who would down tools. |
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 18, 2024 7:06:57 GMT
Are Feyenoord any more attractive than Celtic, who also have CL football?
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 18, 2024 7:09:09 GMT
Are Feyenoord any more attractive than Celtic, who also have CL football? I would say so, more competitive and prestigious league. They also have received £40m in fees this window alone. Have Celtic ever done that? |
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Post by barcaontrent on Jul 18, 2024 7:27:56 GMT
Spin it around. We're the team in Europe and we're linked with a 20 year old who has only played 38 games in England with just 2 goals to his name, for a team that was nearly relegated to the third tier having struggled for goals. Our club offer 8M and we hear from their fans that they want 15M. We side with our club citing 'hes only got potential up to this point and our club are taking a big risk. He's proven nothing. 8M is a more than fair offer' It cuts both ways. Truth is probably somewhere in the middle. So what? Feyenoord not liking the price is very much their problem. The top young Championship players go for 15-25+ million (look at Ipswich). If Feyenoord don't want to pay that much now, that's completely fine because a Premier League club will next year. He is far from being one of the top young players in the league. He wouldn’t not have made the top 10 based on last season. We have seen massive potential, but he didn’t really reach that potential until near the end of the season and struggled to adapt for large parts of the campaign. He looks like he could be a great player but the way fans talk about him is verging on hyperbole |
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Post by femark on Jul 18, 2024 7:28:48 GMT
Are Feyenoord any more attractive than Celtic, who also have CL football? I would say so, more competitive and prestigious league. They also have received £40m in fees this window alone. Have Celtic ever done that? They came close last season when they sold Jota for 25m and a couple of smaller fees. |
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Post by bolders on Jul 18, 2024 8:48:15 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 18, 2024 8:50:02 GMT
His style is ready made for the Bundesliga and would give him a real opportunity to showcase his talents, I fear it's going to be a big ask to keep hold of him unless he decides categorically he wants another season here before his next move..... |
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jul 18, 2024 8:50:47 GMT
I would say so, more competitive and prestigious league. They also have received £40m in fees this window alone. Have Celtic ever done that? They came close last season when they sold Jota for 25m and a couple of smaller fees. For me the Dutch league isn't very far infront of the Scottish league either with it being very much a two/three horse race with Dutch clubs rarely achieving anything in Europe (recent times). On the face it may seem like an attractive move for him but if it were me I'd want to test myself again this season in the Championship, and then surely next season offers will come in from the bigger European leagues. I may also have my Stoke glasses on whilst saying this 😂 |
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Post by mattythestokie on Jul 18, 2024 9:23:48 GMT
You just hope that he thinks if this is the interest in him after one year, imagine the interest after two years and a championship season with decent numbers.
He’s destined for the top either way. Just want be able enjoy him for at least another season.
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Post by femark on Jul 18, 2024 9:39:58 GMT
You just hope that he thinks if this is the interest in him after one year, imagine the interest after two years and a championship season with decent numbers. He’s destined for the top either way. Just want be able enjoy him for at least another season. He should at least stay until January |
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Post by monsoonmoon on Jul 18, 2024 10:06:29 GMT
If we are to lose him, perhaps getting a club who’d think he’s not ready yet would be better. Maybe somewhere around £12m would be more palatable if we could negotiate a year’s loan back here to continue his development?
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Post by mattythestokie on Jul 18, 2024 10:10:22 GMT
You just hope that he thinks if this is the interest in him after one year, imagine the interest after two years and a championship season with decent numbers. He’s destined for the top either way. Just want be able enjoy him for at least another season. He should at least stay until January Id rather lose him in a summer than a January. January should be a no go. |
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 18, 2024 10:31:18 GMT
He looked class last night.
And I’d say he was only in second gear.
Far more robust now and looks like a young player beginning to realise just how good he is.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jul 18, 2024 10:36:45 GMT
The player is far more important than the cash we'd get for him. Would be incredibly short sighted to get rid at the first opportunity, although that's easier said than done if someone comes in with an offer the club and player can't refuse.
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Post by RF10 on Jul 18, 2024 10:50:10 GMT
If we are to lose him, perhaps getting a club who’d think he’s not ready yet would be better. Maybe somewhere around £12m would be more palatable if we could negotiate a year’s loan back here to continue his development? Yeah I think £12m - £15m. When Bayern Leverkusen bought Son when he was 20/21 they paid €12million. If he stays another season and tears up Championship his value easily doubles. Spurs later bought in for €30million. |
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Post by VolvicStokie on Jul 18, 2024 11:28:32 GMT
If we're okay for FFP... Then we point blank refuse to sell him for less than what he will be worth in 12 months time.
If we're being realistic about a promotion push, then we need Bae. So essentially unless a stupid offer comes in (20 million plus) then it's a no
Keep Bae and we build a promotion pushing team around him. If we don't go up then it's a thanks for staying to try, but we wish you well and thanks for the money
To sell now would essentially be madness
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Post by Los Alfareros on Jul 18, 2024 11:32:00 GMT
I get the financial implications and the "business model".
But fucking hell if we really want to progress as a team then WE DO NOT SELL OUR BEST PLAYER.
So fuck off Feyenoord, fuckety fuck off is what we should be telling them now, WE WILL NOT SELL!!!!!!!!!
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Post by somersetpotter on Jul 18, 2024 12:38:49 GMT
If we are to lose him, perhaps getting a club who’d think he’s not ready yet would be better. Maybe somewhere around £12m would be more palatable if we could negotiate a year’s loan back here to continue his development? Yeah I think £12m - £15m. When Bayern Leverkusen bought Son when he was 20/21 they paid €12million. If he stays another season and tears up Championship his value easily doubles. Spurs later bought in for €30million. Son moved to Leverkusen 11 years ago, completely different world when it comes to transfer fees. He's worth £15m+ in this market and if we sell for less it'll be very stupid. |
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