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Post by theporcelainpele on Oct 29, 2023 13:29:32 GMT
Given Hoever appears to struggle late on like to see Junior off the bench Yet Hoever won us the game late on against Leeds with that saving tackle. I'm not a big one for messing about with the defence if it's working. He also helped win us the game with that brilliant corner against Leeds. He’s had a few mistakes in his game recently but if he cuts them out he’s a massive part of our team. On the subject of Leris, I thought his technical ability really stood out against Leeds. His touch and movement showed why he’s been playing in one of europes biggest leagues before he arrived here. |
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Oct 29, 2023 13:35:02 GMT
I had him down as straight replacement for Brown,workrate,honest trier etc but he's showing decent technique and hopefully he'll continue to improve and go on to be a genuine upgrade on JB.
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Post by nottsover60 on Oct 29, 2023 13:45:11 GMT
Given Hoever appears to struggle late on like to see Junior off the bench The only way Junior will develop is if we play him. I’d rather us develop our own than the Wolves reserve we’ll never sign. Really enjoyed watching Leris yesterday. He’s a good, all-round player. I honestly feel that Hoever loves being at Stoke over Wolves and I wouldn't be surprised to see him here for good. As for Leris at the moment he is my favourite player. I loved the way he encouraged the crowd to get behind them soon after Leed's penalty miss. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2023 14:26:09 GMT
The only way Junior will develop is if we play him. I’d rather us develop our own than the Wolves reserve we’ll never sign. Really enjoyed watching Leris yesterday. He’s a good, all-round player. I honestly feel that Hoever loves being at Stoke over Wolves and I wouldn't be surprised to see him here for good. As for Leris at the moment he is my favourite player. I loved the way he encouraged the crowd to get behind them soon after Leed's penalty miss. I’d be shocked. He loves Stoke so much that he signed a new contract for Wolves. www.wolves.co.uk/news/loan-watch/20230721-new-contract-and-loan-for-hoever/#:~:text=Ki%2DJana%20Hoever%20has%20signed,a%20recall%20option%20for%20January. He’s just a player that we have on loan to develop for another club. Their chairman said as much. He’s fine as a player but I’d rather be playing Junior, a player who doesn’t look that far off and one that we will benefit from in the long term. I also think that Junior and Leris will be a very powerful and aggressive combination that will scare the hell out of teams once they get going. |
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Post by lordb on Oct 29, 2023 14:37:01 GMT
Yet Hoever won us the game late on against Leeds with that saving tackle. I'm not a big one for messing about with the defence if it's working. He also helped win us the game with that brilliant corner against Leeds. He’s had a few mistakes in his game recently but if he cuts them out he’s a massive part of our team. On the subject of Leris, I thought his technical ability really stood out against Leeds. His touch and movement showed why he’s been playing in one of europes biggest leagues before he arrived here. The Dutch league is not one of Europe's big leagues 3 bog clubs and several minnows |
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Post by nottsover60 on Oct 29, 2023 14:39:22 GMT
I honestly feel that Hoever loves being at Stoke over Wolves and I wouldn't be surprised to see him here for good. As for Leris at the moment he is my favourite player. I loved the way he encouraged the crowd to get behind them soon after Leed's penalty miss. I’d be shocked. He loves Stoke so much that he signed a new contract for Wolves. www.wolves.co.uk/news/loan-watch/20230721-new-contract-and-loan-for-hoever/#:~:text=Ki%2DJana%20Hoever%20has%20signed,a%20recall%20option%20for%20January. He’s just a player that we have on loan to develop for another club. Their chairman said as much. He’s fine as a player but I’d rather be playing Junior, a player who doesn’t look that far off and one that we will benefit from in the long term. I also think that Junior and Leris will be a very powerful and aggressive combination that will scare the hell out of teams once they get going. As I say, just a feeling I have based mainly on him talking about being grateful to Neil for trusting him to play regularly. I think he's probably spent more time at Stoke than Wolves. Perhaps he was told the only way he was allowed back was to us was to sign it as Wolves also could foresee him wanting a permanent move to us. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2023 14:55:04 GMT
I’d be shocked. He loves Stoke so much that he signed a new contract for Wolves. www.wolves.co.uk/news/loan-watch/20230721-new-contract-and-loan-for-hoever/#:~:text=Ki%2DJana%20Hoever%20has%20signed,a%20recall%20option%20for%20January. He’s just a player that we have on loan to develop for another club. Their chairman said as much. He’s fine as a player but I’d rather be playing Junior, a player who doesn’t look that far off and one that we will benefit from in the long term. I also think that Junior and Leris will be a very powerful and aggressive combination that will scare the hell out of teams once they get going. As I say, just a feeling I have based mainly on him talking about being grateful to Neil for trusting him to play regularly. I think he's probably spent more time at Stoke than Wolves. Perhaps he was told the only way he was allowed back was to us was to sign it as Wolves also could foresee him wanting a permanent move to us. I also suspect that Hoever is on ( sort of) premier League wages , medium to bottom end premier League wages but still premier league wages . So with FFP , Hoever signing for wolves and being loaned to stoke probably suited Stoke too . |
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Post by Rt Hon Reverend Luvpump on Oct 29, 2023 14:59:21 GMT
I’d be shocked. He loves Stoke so much that he signed a new contract for Wolves. www.wolves.co.uk/news/loan-watch/20230721-new-contract-and-loan-for-hoever/#:~:text=Ki%2DJana%20Hoever%20has%20signed,a%20recall%20option%20for%20January. He’s just a player that we have on loan to develop for another club. Their chairman said as much. He’s fine as a player but I’d rather be playing Junior, a player who doesn’t look that far off and one that we will benefit from in the long term. I also think that Junior and Leris will be a very powerful and aggressive combination that will scare the hell out of teams once they get going. As I say, just a feeling I have based mainly on him talking about being grateful to Neil for trusting him to play regularly. I think he's probably spent more time at Stoke than Wolves. Perhaps he was told the only way he was allowed back was to us was to sign it as Wolves also could foresee him wanting a permanent move to us. Wasn’t the Adobe deal done a bit like that, wasn’t he on loan at another club with an option to buy for a lower price than we paid ? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2023 15:02:49 GMT
He also helped win us the game with that brilliant corner against Leeds. He’s had a few mistakes in his game recently but if he cuts them out he’s a massive part of our team. On the subject of Leris, I thought his technical ability really stood out against Leeds. His touch and movement showed why he’s been playing in one of europes biggest leagues before he arrived here. The Dutch league is not one of Europe's big leagues 3 bog clubs and several minnows He was playing in Italy in Serie A up to this season |
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Post by J-Roar on Oct 29, 2023 16:57:35 GMT
What a super signing this lad is proving to be. Great workrate, good in the air, decent technically and a good finisher. Him and Hoever are forming a terrific partnership down our right hand side and long may it continue. I know a lot are crying out for Junior to start but I would keep these two together for now. Junior's time will come. The rule seems to be if the contrarian on here doesn't rate you you come good. If he rates you, particularly if you're young, pack the game in. You're going nowhere. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 29, 2023 17:25:18 GMT
The Dutch league is not one of Europe's big leagues 3 bog clubs and several minnows He was playing in Italy in Serie A up to this season And has in fact never played in the Dutch league. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2023 17:40:03 GMT
He was playing in Italy in Serie A up to this season And has in fact never played in the Dutch league. I think it may be crossed wires. Lordb talking about Hoever? |
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Post by stokefanone on Oct 29, 2023 18:28:40 GMT
He was also one of sampdorias highest rated players in the Italian press.
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Post by lordb on Oct 29, 2023 18:30:08 GMT
And has in fact never played in the Dutch league. I think it may be crossed wires. Lordb talking about Hoever? Yes I was sorry confused again 😣 |
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Post by mattythestokie on Oct 29, 2023 18:45:01 GMT
I honestly feel that Hoever loves being at Stoke over Wolves and I wouldn't be surprised to see him here for good. As for Leris at the moment he is my favourite player. I loved the way he encouraged the crowd to get behind them soon after Leed's penalty miss. I’d be shocked. He loves Stoke so much that he signed a new contract for Wolves. www.wolves.co.uk/news/loan-watch/20230721-new-contract-and-loan-for-hoever/#:~:text=Ki%2DJana%20Hoever%20has%20signed,a%20recall%20option%20for%20January. He’s just a player that we have on loan to develop for another club. Their chairman said as much. He’s fine as a player but I’d rather be playing Junior, a player who doesn’t look that far off and one that we will benefit from in the long term. I also think that Junior and Leris will be a very powerful and aggressive combination that will scare the hell out of teams once they get going. I can’t see him ever getting close to the Wolves first team. But that being said, they paid close to 10million for him didn’t they? No chance will we be able go anywhere near what they would want for him so I’d imagine he’ll end up signing for someone else on a permanent. |
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 29, 2023 19:04:29 GMT
Love Leris.
Got the makings of a quality player.
Deffo suits him in this system.
Hoever and him need to consolidate their positions and we will be in for some good times.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 29, 2023 19:07:00 GMT
I think it may be crossed wires. Lordb talking about Hoever? Yes I was sorry confused again 😣 Penkhull Towers has a patient not taking their medication😉 |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 29, 2023 19:07:59 GMT
Love Leris. Got the makings of a quality player. Deffo suits him in this system. Hoever and him need to consolidate their positions and we will be in for some good times. The only thing that annoyed me a bit yesterday was too much play down the left when our obvious threat comes down the right. Or so it seemed |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2023 19:52:50 GMT
I’d be shocked. He loves Stoke so much that he signed a new contract for Wolves. www.wolves.co.uk/news/loan-watch/20230721-new-contract-and-loan-for-hoever/#:~:text=Ki%2DJana%20Hoever%20has%20signed,a%20recall%20option%20for%20January. He’s just a player that we have on loan to develop for another club. Their chairman said as much. He’s fine as a player but I’d rather be playing Junior, a player who doesn’t look that far off and one that we will benefit from in the long term. I also think that Junior and Leris will be a very powerful and aggressive combination that will scare the hell out of teams once they get going. I can’t see him ever getting close to the Wolves first team. But that being said, they paid close to 10million for him didn’t they? No chance will we be able go anywhere near what they would want for him so I’d imagine he’ll end up signing for someone else on a permanent. Who knows. They literally had him sign a new contract this summer. They either value his potential or realize that he will get decent money for them on regular loan spell to the Championship, after which they can sell. |
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 29, 2023 20:04:48 GMT
Love Leris. Got the makings of a quality player. Deffo suits him in this system. Hoever and him need to consolidate their positions and we will be in for some good times. The only thing that annoyed me a bit yesterday was too much play down the left when our obvious threat comes down the right. Or so it seemed Yes. Think if we could get Toffelo from forest in January it would solve a lot of our problems. Then go for a real push with slight tweak on formation. New GK Hoever McNally Souttar Rose Toffelo Pearson Burger Leris Mmaee Vidigal With a bench of Thompson, Bonham, Junior, Bae, DJ, Wes, Gayle etc Nice. |
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Post by clarkeda on Oct 29, 2023 20:07:12 GMT
Love Leris. Got the makings of a quality player. Deffo suits him in this system. Hoever and him need to consolidate their positions and we will be in for some good times. The only thing that annoyed me a bit yesterday was too much play down the left when our obvious threat comes down the right. Or so it seemed Right handed boxers don’t exclusively throw right handed punches even though it’s their obvious threat’ AN sends the team down the left side, pulls the opposition across, it goes back to Rose who plays a big diagonal ball to Hoever who is high and wide. And does exactly the same in reverse for the left side. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 29, 2023 20:13:43 GMT
The only thing that annoyed me a bit yesterday was too much play down the left when our obvious threat comes down the right. Or so it seemed Right handed boxers don’t exclusively throw right handed punches even though it’s their obvious threat’ AN sends the team down the left side, pulls the opposition across, it goes back to Rose who plays a big diagonal ball to Hoever who is high and wide. And does exactly the same in reverse for the left side. It’s a fair point. I just found myself screaming for the ball to be played to the right. I say screaming, I meant “ffs play it down the right”. But your explanation is a reasonable one |
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Post by lordb on Oct 29, 2023 20:20:52 GMT
Yes I was sorry confused again 😣 Penkhull Towers has a patient not taking their medication😉 Can't get apricot Brandy anywhere |
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Post by theporcelainpele on Oct 29, 2023 21:36:26 GMT
He also helped win us the game with that brilliant corner against Leeds. He’s had a few mistakes in his game recently but if he cuts them out he’s a massive part of our team. On the subject of Leris, I thought his technical ability really stood out against Leeds. His touch and movement showed why he’s been playing in one of europes biggest leagues before he arrived here. The Dutch league is not one of Europe's big leagues 3 bog clubs and several minnows I was talking about Serie A. Leris played for Sampdoria |
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Post by humbersidepotter on Oct 29, 2023 21:40:01 GMT
Just gutted that we'll lose him and Mmaee in January for up to a month
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Post by lordb on Oct 29, 2023 21:54:46 GMT
The Dutch league is not one of Europe's big leagues 3 bog clubs and several minnows I was talking about Serie A. Leris played for Sampdoria Yeah I know Someone was talking about Hoever, I got mixed up as usual |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 29, 2023 22:00:25 GMT
Just gutted that we'll lose him and Mmaee in January for up to a month I’d be surprised if either were picked for their respective squads tbh |
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Post by theporcelainpele on Oct 29, 2023 22:06:07 GMT
Just gutted that we'll lose him and Mmaee in January for up to a month I’d be surprised if either were picked for their respective squads tbh Just had a quick look and neither have been in their respective squads for the past dozen or so games. Whether that will change with Leris’ good form though we’ll have to wait and see. |
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Post by idle on Oct 29, 2023 22:08:14 GMT
I honestly feel that Hoever loves being at Stoke over Wolves and I wouldn't be surprised to see him here for good. As for Leris at the moment he is my favourite player. I loved the way he encouraged the crowd to get behind them soon after Leed's penalty miss. I’d be shocked. He loves Stoke so much that he signed a new contract for Wolves. www.wolves.co.uk/news/loan-watch/20230721-new-contract-and-loan-for-hoever/#:~:text=Ki%2DJana%20Hoever%20has%20signed,a%20recall%20option%20for%20January. He’s just a player that we have on loan to develop for another club. Their chairman said as much. He’s fine as a player but I’d rather be playing Junior, a player who doesn’t look that far off and one that we will benefit from in the long term. I also think that Junior and Leris will be a very powerful and aggressive combination that will scare the hell out of teams once they get going. Junior will play when (or rather if) we need to play Campbell on the right. Which is quite a good switch-up for Hoever and Leris if we need something else. |
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Post by numpty40 on Oct 29, 2023 22:08:18 GMT
The only thing that annoyed me a bit yesterday was too much play down the left when our obvious threat comes down the right. Or so it seemed Yes. Think if we could get Toffelo from forest in January it would solve a lot of our problems. Then go for a real push with slight tweak on formation. New GK Hoever McNally Souttar Rose Toffelo Pearson Burger Leris Mmaee Vidigal With a bench of Thompson, Bonham, Junior, Bae, DJ, Wes, Gayle etc Nice. I think if he returned to a back 5 now I would stop following football and take an active interest in stamp collecting or train sets or something. |
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