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Post by AlbertTatlock on Aug 3, 2023 13:05:14 GMT
As Stoke supporters we've had all our easter eggs delivered in 1 transfer window (so far) but it's still not enough for some fans, we wanted to get rid of the deadwood and have a clearout of players that just haven't performed - it's happened, we wanted to see some young talent from abroad - it's happened, we wanted to see our club run better - it's happening, we wanted to hear more from the owners - it's happening. No matter what happens there will always be some so called fans that are never happy. They know who they are on here so my question to them is why? What would they like to happen to change their views? It's been a difficult few years as a Stoke supporter but we might at last be turning a corner to be competitive and push on towards the top half of then table, nothing is for certain but surely everyone can see the club is trying to move in the right direction - well not everyone. Gouranga.  |
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Post by Foster on Aug 3, 2023 13:09:14 GMT
Because they're miserable sods whose only comeback for being so negative is to call everyone else 'happy clappers' and act like everyone but them expects promotion.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Aug 3, 2023 13:20:28 GMT
I had a family member who stopped buying his ST because he didn't like Mark Hughes, Hughes had only been manager for 1 season at the time. Anything Hughes did and every player he signed was never good enough and there was always something to criticise. He could not say why or explain his irrationality. What a season he missed though Stokealona at it's finest. Gouranga. |
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Post by gogogadget on Aug 3, 2023 13:24:22 GMT
Curious to know
Does anyone know anyone that is really happy in life, with their job, or retirement, with their wife or partner, their family, their house and neighbours,
Yet is really miserable and Negative about Stoke?
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 3, 2023 13:33:29 GMT
I don't know about negative, but personally I feel like it helps to be pessimistic about Stoke generally
From my 40+ years of supporting Stoke.....
Optimism mostly leads to disappointment.
Pessimism leads to the odd nice, pleasant surprise which I really enjoy when it happens.
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Post by Eggybread on Aug 3, 2023 13:41:51 GMT
An awful lot of People in stoke in my experience are negative and miserable, Ill leave it at that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2023 13:42:50 GMT
As a club we have moved a long way from where we were a year ago From Stoke news now... the72.co.uk/2023/08/03/mansfield-town-poised-to-land-free-agent-after-stoke-city-exit/Aden flint to sign for Mansfield town. A year ago we were talking about 34 year old flint and 40 year old jags as our centre backs . Now we can choose from 20 something's, Rose and McNally to partner Wilmott. I realise that jags was a terrific player a decade ago! But we have gone from being a dad's army bunch of plodders ...jags , flint, Gayle...to a team with promising young athletic players and in one or two positions, some out and out pace . It does finally look like we have some reasons to be cheerful and hopefully we will see some real progress this season. |
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Post by DodgyDino on Aug 3, 2023 13:44:20 GMT
Nothing to be negative about at the moment.
The heirachy are certainly trying to push the club in the right direction and need to be applauded for that.
Over the summer theres been a total reset from top to bottom and they are trying to get the fans more involved.
I can only see positives.
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Post by Foster on Aug 3, 2023 13:46:48 GMT
I don't know about negative, but personally I feel like it helps to be pessimistic about Stoke generally From my 40+ years of supporting Stoke..... Optimism mostly leads to disappointment. Pessimism leads to the odd nice, pleasant surprise which I really enjoy when it happens. That's more realistic isn't it?  We've just signed 11 players and realistically you could say 'It's going to take time to bed in, to gel, to get them playing well together, we'll probably struggle for a little while', OR pessimistically you could immediately say 'we've signed too many, we've got no chance of doing well this season, most of them will be shit anyway as I never heard of them before, we'll be in a relegation battle if we don't get another DM'. I think most people are realistic regarding their optimism. The thing as you say is not to get carried away and start thinking we're world beaters. |
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Post by boothenesque on Aug 3, 2023 13:50:15 GMT
Some people are only happy when they are moaning and they feel that it is their quest to spread and inflict their malainse to as many people as possible. They would hat it if we did well because they would then have nothing to moan about.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2023 13:52:07 GMT
It's generally a S-O-T thing.
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Post by stokefc on Aug 3, 2023 13:55:32 GMT
People do change though , looking at the transfer thread some peoples pants were very damp or even soaking for the first 100/150 pages but as the club started to be proactive their pants started drying out , you could visibly see it in their comments , some people will always have wet pants , they are the ones who haven't said owt since all the signings and are just waiting for the first defeat so they can jump back in to say what a shit manager/club we've got , oh well, that's life and people i suppose
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2023 13:59:13 GMT
I guess to play devil’s advocate; the club have been fucking up for years, and we’ve endured a relatively torrid time as a result of those fuckups. So whilst these past few weeks have been the most exciting times for years, the reality is all we’ve done is signed a new team. We still have no idea if it’s going to be a success or failure. The last few weeks isn’t even close to atonement for the last 6+ years of dross.
I am excited but also nervous that this could be yet another false dawn. It will be depressing beyond belief if, come October, we’re in a relegation battle and looking for yet another new manager. But I do have faith that we’ll have a good season and get on an upward trajectory again
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Post by Northy on Aug 3, 2023 14:00:12 GMT
Some people are just like that in general, I left the whatsapp group chat about Stoke I had with my two brothers as just couldn't stand the negativity from both of them, and they both live down south and hardly ever go to the matches
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Post by cheadlepotter on Aug 3, 2023 14:01:34 GMT
We wanted to get rid of the deadwood and have a clearout of players that just haven't performed - it's happened.
Yep, only Gayle to go but think we’ll just have to wait a year.
We wanted to see some young talent from abroad - it's happened.
Yes, but nobody has a clue if they’re going to be any good. I applaud the club for casting its net beyond the British isles, but let’s wait and see.
We wanted to see our club run better - it's happening.
Beyond being given the results of the recent survey, it’s not happening yet, just talk (which is fine, it’s good stuff so far). I’m very much looking forward to the improvements though, but can maybe forgive the pessimistic fan who’s experienced nothing but shite since Johnny boy took over.
We wanted to hear more from the owners - it's happening.
I’d rather hear less from him and let the people who actually know what they’re doing do the talking.
You’re bound to have some negativity amongst the fan base, we’ve just finished 14-16th five seasons on the trot after being relegated from the league that gave us the best footballing times most of us have ever experienced. The manager bringing about all this change has never really achieved anything with his own players either, so you can’t blame some fans for not getting their hopes up.
I’m looking forward to the new season, seeing new players and hopefully some alternative ways to playing. I’m also looking forward to improvements off the pitch, they’re much needed, but improvements on the pitch would give everyone a lift. Have us in the top six and the only negativity you’ll see on here will be from the usual very small group.
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Post by ProctorDre on Aug 3, 2023 14:09:09 GMT
Because they’re proper sad fuckers with nothing better to do basically…
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2023 14:12:20 GMT
5 bottom half finishes in a row is hardly conducive to a positive atmosphere. Fans are sceptical and are right to be. The summer so far has gone some way to turning that scepticism into a bit of trust but results ultimately will be the deciding factor for most fans.
I just hope we get some early good results whilst everything beds in.
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Post by walrus on Aug 3, 2023 14:32:22 GMT
I don’t see anyone being negative really at the moment? The general mood on here is pretty buoyant.
I see people making negative comments about certain players, which you’re always going to get on a football forum, but I don’t see anyone being generally negative about the approach we’re taking and our prospects for the new season.
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Post by lordherefordsknob on Aug 3, 2023 14:46:12 GMT
Personally for me after watching us for over 40 years and 30 of those being pretty shit, it’s more of expecting the worst, and anything else is a bonus.
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Post by loosestools on Aug 3, 2023 14:57:43 GMT
Always think of the worst and avoid disappointment. Its a Stoke thing.
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Post by neddy on Aug 3, 2023 14:59:50 GMT
5 years of brilliance followed by 30 years of hurt followed by 10 years of brilliance followed by 5 years of hurt.
Go figure?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2023 15:07:15 GMT
Ive been a lot happier since the new signings. I still hate AN but I’ll now be buying my season pass again this year.
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Post by skip on Aug 3, 2023 15:12:23 GMT
Some people don’t seem to want to acknowledge that success is merely a pipe dream for most clubs. Either follow your team or don’t. I don’t know why some people conflate support with real life where we oftentimes have to temper expectations for reality, try to make the best of things and accept what is beyond our reach to be so.
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Post by kerouac on Aug 3, 2023 15:22:30 GMT
Here, here….!
I was just thinking the very same thing, let’s face it, it was do or die and things have definitely been done.
We all wanted more foreign input and that’s been duly delivered, and from what I’ve seen up to now these lads look decent. I haven’t felt as optimistic for many a season as I do about Stoke at the moment… All this is leading, quite obviously, to a 3 nil drubbing against Rotherham.
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Post by bloodtypered on Aug 3, 2023 15:22:46 GMT
Being negative, is a cover up for being clueless about football
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Post by senojbor on Aug 3, 2023 15:26:02 GMT
It's a confidence thing.
After so many years of making the numbers up in this league with various managers I'm at odds to why things will suddenly change.
Sure, players have left and sure players come in. But TBH though with this lot in charge I'm not sure if the players they've signed are going to be a success.
We can hope so and cross our fingers.
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 3, 2023 15:28:44 GMT
I don't know about negative, but personally I feel like it helps to be pessimistic about Stoke generally From my 40+ years of supporting Stoke..... Optimism mostly leads to disappointment. Pessimism leads to the odd nice, pleasant surprise which I really enjoy when it happens. That's more realistic isn't it? We've just signed 11 players and realistically you could say 'It's going to take time to bed in, to gel, to get them playing well together, we'll probably struggle for a little while', OR pessimistically you could immediately say 'we've signed too many, we've got no chance of doing well this season, most of them will be shit anyway as I never heard of them before, we'll be in a relegation battle if we don't get another DM'. I think most people are realistic regarding their optimism. The thing as you say is not to get carried away and start thinking we're world beaters. True. Having said this, I always get really excited at the start of every season and always have done, so even after all these years I'm not very good at following my own advice! |
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Post by stokesupporter on Aug 3, 2023 15:35:07 GMT
I'm positive but I can understand the negative ones too. We have a lots of new players who look good on paper but can they cut it in the Championship? There will be those who can and those who can't, hopefull most of them can.
So I would say I'm 75% positive.
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Post by kerouac on Aug 3, 2023 15:35:19 GMT
It's a confidence thing. After so many years of making the numbers up in this league with various managers I'm at odds to why things will suddenly change. Sure, players have left and sure players come in. But TBH though with this lot in charge I'm not sure if the players they've signed are going to be a success. We can hope so and cross our fingers. This feels a bit different to me,and I saw a lot of decent football played in a way I really enjoyed,against Everton.These new additions are what we’ve been crying out for,I reckon first few months will be a good litmus test to see how Neil really is as a manager. |
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Post by wilcopotter on Aug 3, 2023 15:36:33 GMT
I guess to play devil’s advocate; the club have been fucking up for years, and we’ve endured a relatively torrid time as a result of those fuckups. So whilst these past few weeks have been the most exciting times for years, the reality is all we’ve done is signed a new team. We still have no idea if it’s going to be a success or failure. The last few weeks isn’t even close to atonement for the last 6+ years of dross. I am excited but also nervous that this could be yet another false dawn. It will be depressing beyond belief if, come October, we’re in a relegation battle and looking for yet another new manager. But I do have faith that we’ll have a good season and get on an upward trajectory again At some point you have to park what’s happened over the last 6 years and move on. Personally, I think now is a good time to do that given the intent being made to move the club forward. Think we need to get behind the current squad and coaching team who have no culpability for what has recently been disappointing times. |
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