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Israel
Oct 21, 2024 16:15:24 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 21, 2024 16:15:24 GMT
The IDF seem quite keen to share their videos Dave - here's just one of them. The footage you keep posting is of the Naser Hospital bombing of April 2024...not new and emerging evidence of a mass grave at all. That footage he's posted in that tweet there is from yesterday. It was broadcast on Israel's Channel 14 last night.
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Oct 21, 2024 19:34:55 GMT
Post by Ariel Manto on Oct 21, 2024 19:34:55 GMT
The footage you keep posting is of the Naser Hospital bombing of April 2024...not new and emerging evidence of a mass grave at all. That footage he's posted in that tweet there is from yesterday. It was broadcast on Israel's Channel 14 last night. It’s just not true. There have been two incidents on Jabalia - one in January 2024 and yesterday/today Israeli solders have been moving people out of there before another bombing raid starts. Nice of them, huh! 🤷🏻 Either way the images which have been shared are 1. taken in both January and April 2024, 2. the first is of the Nasser Hospital attack, and 3. they do not provide any new emerging evidence whatsoever of mass graves. Both sides use propaganda. It’s just recognising it for what it is. Nobody is denigrating the awfulness of it all.
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Israel
Oct 21, 2024 19:57:36 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 21, 2024 19:57:36 GMT
That footage he's posted in that tweet there is from yesterday. It was broadcast on Israel's Channel 14 last night. It’s just not true. There have been two incidents on Jabalia - one in January 2024 and yesterday/today Israeli solders have been moving people out of there before another bombing raid starts. Nice of them, huh! 🤷🏻 Either way the images which have been shared are 1. taken in both January and April 2024, 2. the first is of the Nasser Hospital attack, and 3. they do not provide any new emerging evidence whatsoever of mass graves. Both sides use propaganda. It’s just recognising it for what it is. Nobody is denigrating the awfulness of it all. That footage he's posted in that tweet there is from yesterday. It was broadcast on Israel's Channel 14 last night.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 21, 2024 20:02:13 GMT
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Post by gawa on Oct 21, 2024 20:15:22 GMT
Oh look another military base under a hospital. Let me guess ammunition in tents and missiles stored in kitchens too?
These Palestines and Lebanese are overflowing with weapons.
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Post by Ariel Manto on Oct 21, 2024 21:02:10 GMT
It’s just not true. There have been two incidents on Jabalia - one in January 2024 and yesterday/today Israeli solders have been moving people out of there before another bombing raid starts. Nice of them, huh! 🤷🏻 Either way the images which have been shared are 1. taken in both January and April 2024, 2. the first is of the Nasser Hospital attack, and 3. they do not provide any new emerging evidence whatsoever of mass graves. Both sides use propaganda. It’s just recognising it for what it is. Nobody is denigrating the awfulness of it all. That footage he's posted in that tweet there is from yesterday. It was broadcast on Israel's Channel 14 last night. I don’t doubt that the last post was broadcast yesterday. Israeli Public Broadcasting (marketed as Kann News) did not call it a “death march”. Israeli solders have been moving people out of Jabalia before another bombing raid starts. The first post was of January / April 2024. They do not provide any evidence of mass graves in themselves whatsoever as was claimed and is just Hamas propaganda.
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Israel
Oct 21, 2024 21:21:20 GMT
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Post by gawa on Oct 21, 2024 21:21:20 GMT
Palestine are world renowned for their tech sector and presence on social media. People need to be more aware of the propoganda spread by this nation. Most of the print media and big social media firms are owned by hamas supporters too. Its well known that they've got one of the best propoganda networks in the world.
Of course there's going to be a form of propoganda from either side but we should be realistic about who's more likely to be winning that war. The fact there is still debate about whether Israel is collectively punishing palestines or testament to that.
Israels whole campaign is based on October 7th. Whereas there are videos of Palestines facing an October 7th every calendar day of the year.
So tell me. Which side needs propoganda more than the other? The one backed by the biggest global powers which has faced no sanctions and has attacked 5 countries in recent months? Or the one where everyone is trapped in an open prison getting bombed daily?
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Israel
Oct 21, 2024 21:35:52 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 21, 2024 21:35:52 GMT
That footage he's posted in that tweet there is from yesterday. It was broadcast on Israel's Channel 14 last night. I don’t doubt that the last post was broadcast yesterday. Good, I was correcting your assertion that it was from April, I didn't mention anything else.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 21, 2024 22:06:50 GMT
Just so we are absolutely clear ...
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Oct 22, 2024 7:18:07 GMT
Palestine are world renowned for their tech sector and presence on social media. People need to be more aware of the propoganda spread by this nation. Most of the print media and big social media firms are owned by hamas supporters too. Its well known that they've got one of the best propoganda networks in the world. Of course there's going to be a form of propoganda from either side but we should be realistic about who's more likely to be winning that war. The fact there is still debate about whether Israel is collectively punishing palestines or testament to that. Israels whole campaign is based on October 7th. Whereas there are videos of Palestines facing an October 7th every calendar day of the year. So tell me. Which side needs propoganda more than the other? The one backed by the biggest global powers which has faced no sanctions and has attacked 5 countries in recent months? Or the one where everyone is trapped in an open prison getting bombed daily? Of course Hamas and Hezbollah use propaganda - www.csis.org/analysis/understanding-hamass-and-hezbollahs-uses-information-technology - as do Isreal and the West. In terms of who needs it most the answer is probably Hamas and Hezbollah. Many Isreali's feel threatened as a result of personal experience - they don't need propaganda to make them feel threatened.The reaction of Western government is down to government policy rather than popular support and in fact have gone ahead despite considerable opposition and haven't made a massive effort to justify what they are doing because they can just do it to. Hamas and Hezbollah on the other hand need the support of the Palestinian people and the Arab world for support and arms. Propaganda is key to their existence. Anyone looking for objective sources of information about this conflict needs to be very wary. Even "reliable" information sources will probably have dome level of political bias or editorial policy shaping their output. Other stuff - from both sides - is just blatant propaganda.
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Israel
Oct 22, 2024 7:58:58 GMT
Post by Ariel Manto on Oct 22, 2024 7:58:58 GMT
I don’t doubt that the last post was broadcast yesterday. Good, I was correcting your assertion that it was from April, I didn't mention anything else. I never asserted that the broadcast was from April. I asserted that the post (tweet/X) was just not true and moreover that there was no evidence of mass graves Quite straightforward really.
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Israel
Oct 22, 2024 8:00:04 GMT
Post by Ariel Manto on Oct 22, 2024 8:00:04 GMT
Palestine are world renowned for their tech sector and presence on social media. People need to be more aware of the propoganda spread by this nation. Most of the print media and big social media firms are owned by hamas supporters too. Its well known that they've got one of the best propoganda networks in the world. Of course there's going to be a form of propoganda from either side but we should be realistic about who's more likely to be winning that war. The fact there is still debate about whether Israel is collectively punishing palestines or testament to that. Israels whole campaign is based on October 7th. Whereas there are videos of Palestines facing an October 7th every calendar day of the year. So tell me. Which side needs propoganda more than the other? The one backed by the biggest global powers which has faced no sanctions and has attacked 5 countries in recent months? Or the one where everyone is trapped in an open prison getting bombed daily? Of course Hamas and Hezbollah use propaganda - www.csis.org/analysis/understanding-hamass-and-hezbollahs-uses-information-technology - as do Isreal and the West. In terms of who needs it most the answer is probably Hamas and Hezbollah. Many Isreali's feel threatened as a result of personal experience - they don't need propaganda to make them feel threatened.The reaction of Western government is down to government policy rather than popular support and in fact have gone ahead despite considerable opposition and haven't made a massive effort to justify what they are doing because they can just do it to. Hamas and Hezbollah on the other hand need the support of the Palestinian people and the Arab world for support and arms. Propaganda is key to their existence. Anyone looking for objective sources of information about this conflict needs to be very wary. Even "reliable" information sources will probably have dome level of political bias or editorial policy shaping their output. Other stuff - from both sides - is just blatant propaganda. Crikey - Post of The Day Award before 8:30am!
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 22, 2024 8:00:08 GMT
Good, I was correcting your assertion that it was from April, I didn't mention anything else. I never asserted that the broadcast was from April. I asserted that the post (tweet/X) was just not true and moreover that there was no evidence of mass graves Quite straightforward really. Why do you constantly alter your story? Yes you DID!!
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Oct 22, 2024 8:08:09 GMT
Post by Ariel Manto on Oct 22, 2024 8:08:09 GMT
I never asserted that the broadcast was from April. I asserted that the post (tweet/X) was just not true and moreover that there was no evidence of mass graves Quite straightforward really. Why do you constantly alter your story? Yes you DID!! Nope. I said the footage you keep posting is of the Naser Hospital bombing of April 2024. I never said it wasn't broadcast yesterday. Your first post (tweet) in the series yesterday was from January 2024. You claimed it was evidence of mass graves. That was pure Hamas propogandist bullshit you were pedalling. Your other post (tweet) in the series was of Israeli troops moving residents out of Jabalia in April 2024. I never said it wasn't broadcast yesterday - I said the footage as from April.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 22, 2024 9:16:55 GMT
Why do you constantly alter your story? Yes you DID!! Nope. I said the footage you keep posting is of the Naser Hospital bombing of April 2024. I never said it wasn't broadcast yesterday. Your first post (tweet) in the series yesterday was from January 2024. You claimed it was evidence of mass graves. That was pure Hamas propogandist bullshit you were pedalling. Your other post (tweet) in the series was of Israeli troops moving residents out of Jabalia in April 2024. I never said it wasn't broadcast yesterday - I said the footage as from April. I refer you to Paul Spencer's repeated correction, you know exactly what I and he mean. Pack it in now.
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Post by Ariel Manto on Oct 22, 2024 9:37:57 GMT
Nope. I said the footage you keep posting is of the Naser Hospital bombing of April 2024. I never said it wasn't broadcast yesterday. Your first post (tweet) in the series yesterday was from January 2024. You claimed it was evidence of mass graves. That was pure Hamas propogandist bullshit you were pedalling. Your other post (tweet) in the series was of Israeli troops moving residents out of Jabalia in April 2024. I never said it wasn't broadcast yesterday - I said the footage as from April. I refer you to Paul Spencer's repeated correction, you know exactly what I and he mean. Pack it in now. I don't know if you and Dario G are in a relationship but it's quite obvious you're both very much joined at the hip. I mean it's refreshing ... but if you stopped pedalling propagandist bullshit there wouldn't be any need to call it out for what it is.
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 22, 2024 9:48:33 GMT
I refer you to Paul Spencer's repeated correction, you know exactly what I and he mean. Pack it in now. I don't know if you and Dario G are in a relationship but it's quite obvious you're both very much joined at the hip. I mean it's refreshing ... but if you stopped pedalling propagandist bullshit there wouldn't be any need to call it out for what it is. One man’s propagandist bullshit is another man’s truth I wouldn’t trust a word coming out of the Israeli government or the IDF Anyway sorry about banging the same old drum Do you believe Israel should abide by international law Yes or no It’s a easy enough question that you seem to struggle with
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Oct 22, 2024 9:58:41 GMT
Post by Ariel Manto on Oct 22, 2024 9:58:41 GMT
I don't know if you and Dario G are in a relationship but it's quite obvious you're both very much joined at the hip. I mean it's refreshing ... but if you stopped pedalling propagandist bullshit there wouldn't be any need to call it out for what it is. One man’s propagandist bullshit is another man’s truth I wouldn’t trust a word coming out of the Israeli government or the IDF Anyway sorry about banging the same old drum Do you believe Israel should abide by international law Yes or no It’s a easy enough question that you seem to struggle with Oct 14, 2024 at 11:05am
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Oct 22, 2024 9:59:20 GMT
Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 22, 2024 9:59:20 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 22, 2024 9:59:56 GMT
I refer you to Paul Spencer's repeated correction, you know exactly what I and he mean. Pack it in now. I don't know if you and Dario G are in a relationship but it's quite obvious you're both very much joined at the hip. I mean it's refreshing ... but if you stopped pedalling propagandist bullshit there wouldn't be any need to call it out for what it is. You couldn't be further off the mark my fine friend....
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Israel
Oct 22, 2024 10:41:51 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 22, 2024 10:41:51 GMT
One man’s propagandist bullshit is another man’s truth I wouldn’t trust a word coming out of the Israeli government or the IDF Anyway sorry about banging the same old drum Do you believe Israel should abide by international law Yes or no It’s a easy enough question that you seem to struggle with Oct 14, 2024 at 11:05am ?
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Israel
Oct 22, 2024 11:52:33 GMT
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Oct 22, 2024 11:52:33 GMT
I don't know if you and Dario G are in a relationship but it's quite obvious you're both very much joined at the hip. I mean it's refreshing ... but if you stopped pedalling propagandist bullshit there wouldn't be any need to call it out for what it is. One man’s propagandist bullshit is another man’s truth I wouldn’t trust a word coming out of the Israeli government or the IDF Anyway sorry about banging the same old drum Do you believe Israel should abide by international law Yes or no It’s a easy enough question that you seem to struggle with Propaganda is not just in the eye if the beholder as you suggest. Propaganda is material specifically designed to win over and manipulate the target audience. Propaganda is propaganda whether someone chooses to believe it or not. Some people do choose not to believe anything that the Isreali government and the IDF say and others choose not to believe anything Hamas and Hezbollah have to say. And equally some people choose to believe some pretty blatant Isreali propaganda and others believe some pretty blatant Hamas/Hezbollah propaganda claiming in both cases it isn't propaganda when it clearly is. In both cases people choose to believe things on the basis of their preconceptions and political allegiances. That in itself isn't wrong. What is wrong is when people claim the other side onlyvdeals in propaganda whereas the material they choose to believe and disseminate is the unadulterated truth. Which is either incredibly nieve or disingenuous.
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Israel
Oct 22, 2024 12:05:31 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 22, 2024 12:05:31 GMT
One man’s propagandist bullshit is another man’s truth I wouldn’t trust a word coming out of the Israeli government or the IDF Anyway sorry about banging the same old drum Do you believe Israel should abide by international law Yes or no It’s a easy enough question that you seem to struggle with Propaganda is not just in the eye if the beholder as you suggest. Propaganda is material specifically designed to win over and manipulate the target audience. Propaganda is propaganda whether someone chooses to believe it or not. Some people do choose not to believe anything that the Isreali government and the IDF say and others choose not to believe anything Hamas and Hezbollah have to say. And equally some people choose to believe some pretty blatant Isreali propaganda and others believe some pretty blatant Hamas/Hezbollah propaganda claiming in both cases it isn't propaganda when it clearly is. In both cases people choose to believe things on the basis of their preconceptions and political allegiances. That in itself isn't wrong. What is wrong is when people claim the other side onlyvdeals in propaganda whereas the material they choose to believe and disseminate is the unadulterated truth. Which is either incredibly nieve or disingenuous. Can’t really disagree I’m sure both sides use propaganda for their own agendas And I fully agree that when they do it the right thing is to expose it I just find it intriguing that a certain poster on this thread seem unable to answer a simple question
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 22, 2024 12:11:14 GMT
Good, I was correcting your assertion that it was from April, I didn't mention anything else. I never asserted that the broadcast was from April. LOL! You literally did exactly that, in the very first post quoted at the top of the page. 😂
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 22, 2024 12:19:15 GMT
I refer you to Paul Spencer's repeated correction, you know exactly what I and he mean. Pack it in now. I don't know if you and Dario G are in a relationship but it's quite obvious you're both very much joined at the hip. I mean it's refreshing ... but if you stopped pedalling propagandist bullshit there wouldn't be any need to call it out for what it is. You know what I've been posting on this message board for over 25 years and in all that time and during the many thousands of exchanges (some often heated) I've had with people, you are the ONLY person to have come out with this juvenile crap. That's three times you've resorted to this low in the last month, you might think you're being original and you might think that the gallery you are playing to, might find it witty but in actual fact it's quite sad and really, rather pathetic.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 22, 2024 14:55:08 GMT
Palestine are world renowned for their tech sector and presence on social media. People need to be more aware of the propoganda spread by this nation. Most of the print media and big social media firms are owned by hamas supporters too. Its well known that they've got one of the best propoganda networks in the world. Of course there's going to be a form of propoganda from either side but we should be realistic about who's more likely to be winning that war. The fact there is still debate about whether Israel is collectively punishing palestines or testament to that. Israels whole campaign is based on October 7th. Whereas there are videos of Palestines facing an October 7th every calendar day of the year. So tell me. Which side needs propoganda more than the other? The one backed by the biggest global powers which has faced no sanctions and has attacked 5 countries in recent months? Or the one where everyone is trapped in an open prison getting bombed daily?
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 22, 2024 14:58:05 GMT
Palestine are world renowned for their tech sector and presence on social media. People need to be more aware of the propoganda spread by this nation. Most of the print media and big social media firms are owned by hamas supporters too. Its well known that they've got one of the best propoganda networks in the world. Of course there's going to be a form of propoganda from either side but we should be realistic about who's more likely to be winning that war. The fact there is still debate about whether Israel is collectively punishing palestines or testament to that. Israels whole campaign is based on October 7th. Whereas there are videos of Palestines facing an October 7th every calendar day of the year. So tell me. Which side needs propoganda more than the other? The one backed by the biggest global powers which has faced no sanctions and has attacked 5 countries in recent months? Or the one where everyone is trapped in an open prison getting bombed daily? I’m just amazed if anyone’s shocked
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Israel
Oct 22, 2024 14:59:54 GMT
Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 22, 2024 14:59:54 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 22, 2024 16:52:19 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 22, 2024 23:34:05 GMT
Just so we are absolutely clear ...
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