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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 17, 2024 13:38:10 GMT
Her ignorance is genuinely incredible. She laughs at him for making such a ridiculous claim that there are different rules for Palestinians and different rules for Jews. She is utterly incredulous at such a suggestion because it just seems so far-fetched to her. I would love to see her face the moment she finds out that it is actually true. I genuinely don't think that she's lying, she just simply doesn't understand what she's talking about.
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Oct 17, 2024 13:42:26 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 17, 2024 13:42:26 GMT
I don't dispute anything which either of you say, necessarily. I enjoyed reading both posts. At some point, though, both sides have to stop trying to drive their car with their face in the rear view mirror all of the time. It's going to take both sides to want to do it. Both sides have justified grievances against the other and whichever bias you have (we all have one - no matter how egalitarian you think you are) you have to recognise that. Pro-Palestinians who want the destruction of Israel are just as bad as Israeli Zionists who want to wipe Palestinians off the earth due to their entrenched mindsets. There is no right side of history when both sides just want the mutual termination of the other. To my mind the whole discussion needs the application of unemotive logic. I think that's my point. Did you watch the video I linked, it paints a very different picture to the reality you are suggesting here?
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Post by Ariel Manto on Oct 17, 2024 13:50:56 GMT
Ariel I can't pm you for some reason, it just doesn't send. So to condense what I was going to say in private. My views are simply that, mine. It doesn't make me right but it's what I think at present and I'm always open to my mind changing. While we dont agree on many things, i do enjoy our discussions and feel they are generally respectful with good debate. So thanks for challenging me and likewise thanks for answering the stuff i challenge you on too. It makes for good discussion. I can totally see where you're coming from on this and other things, for that matter. I don't think we're necessarily that far off each other generally, but on this I've always thought one has to be as middle-grounded as one possibly can be if you want to seek a resolution to it all. I hate having to weigh up who's more justified than whom at killing each other. But anyway, I genuinely enjoy discussions like this and also feel they are generally respectful and reasoned. 👍 As for the PM thing - I think I'd got it set up like that ages ago and just haven't done anything about it since.
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Post by Ariel Manto on Oct 17, 2024 13:57:52 GMT
I don't dispute anything which either of you say, necessarily. I enjoyed reading both posts. At some point, though, both sides have to stop trying to drive their car with their face in the rear view mirror all of the time. It's going to take both sides to want to do it. Both sides have justified grievances against the other and whichever bias you have (we all have one - no matter how egalitarian you think you are) you have to recognise that. Pro-Palestinians who want the destruction of Israel are just as bad as Israeli Zionists who want to wipe Palestinians off the earth due to their entrenched mindsets. There is no right side of history when both sides just want the mutual termination of the other. To my mind the whole discussion needs the application of unemotive logic. I think that's my point. Did you watch the video I linked, it paints a very different picture to the reality you are suggesting here? To be honest, I just have but I didn't want to and I didn't want to get all of the way through it. My only hope is that in private she's much more of a considerate person, but publicly I find her repulsive on every imaginable issue. Julia Hartley-Brewer could start a war with herself in an empty room.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 17, 2024 14:05:06 GMT
Did you watch the video I linked, it paints a very different picture to the reality you are suggesting here? To be honest, I just have but I didn't want to and I didn't want to get all of the way through it. My only hope is that in private she's much more of a considerate person, but publicly I find her repulsive on every imaginable issue. Julia Hartley-Brewer could start a war with herself in an empty room. No this one mate, I think it's an incredible 2 minutes, which puts into context where we are at the minute ...
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Post by Ariel Manto on Oct 17, 2024 14:13:10 GMT
To be honest, I just have but I didn't want to and I didn't want to get all of the way through it. My only hope is that in private she's much more of a considerate person, but publicly I find her repulsive on every imaginable issue. Julia Hartley-Brewer could start a war with herself in an empty room. No this one mate, I think it's an incredible 2 minutes, which puts into context where we are at the minute ... It certainly is incredible. Totally accept that's the situation at the moment and that the Israeli's need to move the narrative now. Natanyahu's position is about as justifiable as his political career is tenable. He'd get on smashingly well with that Hartley-Brewer character.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 17, 2024 14:34:38 GMT
Another terrorist scumbag obliterated
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Oct 17, 2024 14:35:50 GMT
Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 17, 2024 14:35:50 GMT
Another terrorist scumbag obliterated In your opinion obviously.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 17, 2024 14:41:59 GMT
Another terrorist scumbag obliterated In your opinion obviously. Yes and I suspect most of the civilised world as well
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 17, 2024 14:48:38 GMT
Largely symbolic but at least it's a start ...
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Oct 17, 2024 14:51:21 GMT
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Post by Veritas on Oct 17, 2024 14:51:21 GMT
Another terrorist scumbag obliterated One man's terrorists another man's freedom fighter. It was ever thus and will continue to be so.
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Oct 17, 2024 15:52:17 GMT
Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 17, 2024 15:52:17 GMT
In your opinion obviously. Yes and I suspect most of the civilised world as well Depends what you class as "civilised" my fine friend.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 17, 2024 16:40:19 GMT
Largely symbolic but at least it's a start ... Phwooooaaaarrrrrr
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Post by mrnovember on Oct 17, 2024 17:31:20 GMT
Largely symbolic but at least it's a start ... Phwooooaaaarrrrrr I'm glad you said it
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 17, 2024 17:32:09 GMT
Best post in the thread by a mile
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Oct 17, 2024 17:36:21 GMT
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Post by mrnovember on Oct 17, 2024 17:36:21 GMT
Best post in the thread by a mile I'd impose her arms embargo....or something like that.
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Post by Biblical on Oct 17, 2024 18:21:18 GMT
Largely symbolic but at least it's a start ... Step up Kier.
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Oct 17, 2024 18:52:56 GMT
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Post by lordb on Oct 17, 2024 18:52:56 GMT
Yes and I suspect most of the civilised world as well Depends what you class as "civilised" my fine friend. Penkhull,parts of Hartshill
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Oct 17, 2024 19:04:39 GMT
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Post by musik on Oct 17, 2024 19:04:39 GMT
On Swe tv Nathanyahoo said Israel have now hit back on evilness.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Oct 17, 2024 19:09:04 GMT
Depends what you class as "civilised" my fine friend. Penkhull,parts of Hartshill I concur, although Penkhull is sliding down bank into Stoke, which is becoming triumvirate of shite between the Salvation Army, The Macari Centre and Concrete.
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Oct 17, 2024 19:09:51 GMT
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Post by iancransonsknees on Oct 17, 2024 19:09:51 GMT
On Swe tv Nathanyahoo said Israel have now hit back on evilness. Who are the fans that used to chant 'we are evil, we are evil'?
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Oct 17, 2024 19:26:52 GMT
Post by plug on Oct 17, 2024 19:26:52 GMT
On Swe tv Nathanyahoo said Israel have now hit back on evilness. Who are the fans that used to chant 'we are evil, we are evil'? Wasn't it Swansea?
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Oct 17, 2024 19:46:37 GMT
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Post by iancransonsknees on Oct 17, 2024 19:46:37 GMT
Who are the fans that used to chant 'we are evil, we are evil'? Wasn't it Swansea? Lazio?
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Oct 17, 2024 19:53:03 GMT
Post by plug on Oct 17, 2024 19:53:03 GMT
Dunno mate, vaguely recall hearing something like that at the Vetch donkeys years ago and thinking WTF?
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Post by Davef on Oct 17, 2024 20:40:29 GMT
Yes and I suspect most of the civilised world as well Depends what you class as "civilised" my fine friend. Sinwar was imprisoned by Israel for murdering 12 Palestinians (along with 2 IDF soldiers) whom he suspected of collaborating with the Israelis. It's believed that he beheaded some of his victims, an act which earned him the nickname "The Butcher of Khan Younis. During his time in prison, Sinwar continued to coordinate the execution of Palestinians supected of collaboration with Israel and planned the abduction of Israeli soldiers. On his release from prison he ordered the execution of a Palestinian journalist who he suspected of collaborating with Israel and had his victim's 9 year old son brought along to witness his father being hung. He is also believed to be one of the masterminds of the October 7th massacre. So, just a regular stand up guy. Incidentally, there are also rumours that one of his bodyguards is a UNRWA teacher. Fancy that.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Oct 17, 2024 20:55:05 GMT
Best post in the thread by a mile I'd impose her arms embargo....or something like that. She could take me up the Hague.
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Oct 17, 2024 20:59:10 GMT
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Post by lordb on Oct 17, 2024 20:59:10 GMT
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Post by Gods on Oct 17, 2024 22:07:59 GMT
On Swe tv Nathanyahoo said Israel have now hit back on evilness. Who are the fans that used to chant 'we are evil, we are evil'? Stoke. We used to sing it.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 18, 2024 4:40:32 GMT
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Oct 18, 2024 4:42:37 GMT
Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 18, 2024 4:42:37 GMT
Depends what you class as "civilised" my fine friend. Sinwar was imprisoned by Israel for murdering 12 Palestinians (along with 2 IDF soldiers) whom he suspected of collaborating with the Israelis. It's believed that he beheaded some of his victims, an act which earned him the nickname "The Butcher of Khan Younis. During his time in prison, Sinwar continued to coordinate the execution of Palestinians supected of collaboration with Israel and planned the abduction of Israeli soldiers. On his release from prison he ordered the execution of a Palestinian journalist who he suspected of collaborating with Israel and had his victim's 9 year old son brought along to witness his father being hung. He is also believed to be one of the masterminds of the October 7th massacre. So, just a regular stand up guy. Incidentally, there are also rumours that one of his bodyguards is a UNRWA teacher. Fancy that. electronicintifada.net/content/how-israel-killed-hundreds-its-own-people-7-october/49216
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